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Title: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: cateyes1 on July 14, 2013, 06:49:27 am
What are your thoughts on this verdict?....I have not been following it so I cant really say  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: heypeg on July 14, 2013, 07:07:26 am
I tried to keep up with the trail and given the evidence that I heard I believe the jury reached the correct conclusion. This was a tragedy that probably ruined two lives.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: ktheodos on July 14, 2013, 07:36:59 am
I tried to keep up with the trail and given the evidence that I heard I believe the jury reached the correct conclusion. This was a tragedy that probably ruined two lives.

Yeah...Zimmerman's life will never be the same either. There's another post with comments about this trial
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: yaayme on July 14, 2013, 08:09:30 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: weased on July 14, 2013, 11:27:02 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!
    Casey guilt wasn`t that she killed her daughter, it was involvement after her father let the child drown, anyone can see that, except the prosecution.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: autumnsparklemom on July 14, 2013, 11:37:51 am
Really did not follow the case that closely.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: plennis on July 14, 2013, 11:39:49 am
Unfortunately, I knew he would not be convicted.  Just following the rule of law they could not prove anything without a reasonable doubt.    The entire thing is so sad.  It seems like he should get something against him for not following what the police told him.  One life ended and all his family and friends lives changed forever, the the killer will have to live with consequences from it forever.                                
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: ktheodos on July 14, 2013, 11:43:48 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: 6265AT99 on July 14, 2013, 11:53:45 am
What are your thoughts on this verdict?....I have not been following it so I cant really say  :dontknow:

I say bravo to a jury who knew how to decipher the evidence (or lack thereof) and come out with a justified verdict.  I do feel the pain of Trayvon's parents and hope they will be able to be consoled through their faith in God.  The loss of a child, no matter what the circumstances, is never easy for any parent.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: countrygirl12 on July 14, 2013, 12:38:28 pm
We were not there.  We do not know what happened.  We have his word against a dead man's.  Only they know what really happened.  There is evil all around us and it makes me mad when a huge deal is made out of one case like this when there are thousands of others just like it that never get mentioned.  And I am so sick of hearing the racial thing it makes me want to scream!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: msmoneybags48 on July 14, 2013, 01:54:21 pm
It is a tragedy, nonetheless.  Zimmerman's smile says it all:  he killed a young, unarmed Black man and got off.  Of course, the NAACP is being swamped with telephone calls because, in my opinion, justice has not been served.  I still say he is guilty as sin:  There was not one Black juror at his trial and even the judge was White.  I think it is a tragedy that ruined Zimmerman's life and the family of Trayvon Martin is crying out for justice.  I hear that Florida is a racist state.  My granddaughters live there now.  That goes to show you that the police in Florida didn't want to arrest Zimmerman because, in their opinion, his actions took a young Black man off the streets.  I know that justice will be served one day when Zimmerman has to go in front of the man upstairs. ??? :o ??? :wave:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sweetsweepgirl on July 14, 2013, 01:58:18 pm
Not surprised at all. I hope this becomes federal because Florida constantly fails children and families.  Another thing I've found interesting is the comparison of the case of Marissa Alexander and the use of the Stand Your Ground law. Makes you wonder who it's really for. In my opinion, people want the right to pretend nothing is ever about race, class, gender or any intersection of those identities. People want the "freedom" to practice their bigotry without the backlash. It makes me sick. I really cannot get out of this country fast enough. *bleep* poor education, no justice.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: vickysue on July 14, 2013, 02:24:30 pm
I wonder how many of you were influnced by the news media and their biased reporting. Aimmerman was tried and convected by them. Thank heavens the jury heard all the evidence in the court room and used their judgement on this case, The defense were never given all of the information about the young man whom was shot. As far as the naacp they re now stirring the pot for trouble. All of this would not have been reported if it had been a white child shot by a man of color. The news media like stirring up trouble al of the time.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: BlackSheepNY on July 14, 2013, 02:35:27 pm
What are your thoughts on this verdict?....I have not been following it so I cant really say  :dontknow:

It's the verdict that should be.  Justice has been served.  It's over and we can all move on now.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: JayBay13 on July 14, 2013, 03:14:27 pm
this is a really deep dicussion lol I've read a few of the responses on here and in my opinion the verdict was wrong some may say it wasn't enough evidence but it was so much pointing towards him saying that he did kill an innocent young man out of spite not for self defense but like someone else said Florida can't even count its ballots so what could we have expected from this trial.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: bigedshult on July 14, 2013, 04:16:24 pm
I have not been waching it very much.
but I think if the black had shot a whight man he would have never gon ot trial!!!!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: hawkeye3210 on July 14, 2013, 04:58:17 pm
Not surprised at all. I hope this becomes federal because Florida constantly fails children and families.  Another thing I've found interesting is the comparison of the case of Marissa Alexander and the use of the Stand Your Ground law. Makes you wonder who it's really for.

There's absolutely no comparison to Alexander case as the stand your ground provision never applied in the Zimmerman case. The Zimmerman case was purely self defense. The media's emphasis on that provision was misleading.

Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: mgint on July 15, 2013, 09:00:45 am
according to Fla. law correct verdict.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jonhall37 on July 15, 2013, 10:09:04 am
i watched the trial on and off. i was ok with the verdict as long as the jury had the proof they needed that it was self defense.  :peace:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: coreyw87 on July 15, 2013, 11:15:34 am
I thought after Casey Anthony nothing the justice system did would ever shock me but this did.  Sanford is just a couple of towns over from where I live.  Either way I wouldn't want to be him.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: yaayme on July 16, 2013, 10:02:20 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: hawkeye3210 on July 16, 2013, 01:45:39 pm
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both cases, not the judge. There's really no irony because the two cases have so many differences.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 16, 2013, 02:30:58 pm
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

1) Zimmerman was not instructed to stay in his vehicle. Specifically the dispatcher said: "We don't need you to do that"... which is not a command in any way at all. Zimmerman was 'doing his job' as a neighborhood watch person and was keeping tabs on Martin's whereabouts.

2) Zimmerman did NOT 'chase down' Martin in any way or fashion. The FACT is that Zimmerman followed the movements of Martin at a distance, and was constantly talking with the aforementioned dispatcher on the phone.

3) The last comment of Zimmerman to the dispatcher was that he had 'lost' Martin, and was RETURNING to his vehicle. Very shortly after this Martin CONFRONTED Zimmerman. Zimmerman's story is that this was immediately followed with Martin throwing a punch. Evidence presented is the dislocation of Zimmerman's nose. Regardless of this 'punch' it is known and undisputed that a fight ensued.

4) In said fight, Martin became situated atop Zimmerman and proceeded to pummel Zimmerman, this included forcing Zimmerman's head to contact a concrete sidewalk. This is not only the account of Zimmerman; it is the testimony of an eye witness. It is plausible that in the course of these two struggling that their bodies shifted positions in all manner of ways.

5) Zimmerman was being beaten to the point he was screaming or help, and though the fight was in progress and being seen as it happened, no assistance was forthcoming form anyone. Zimmerman's situation was perilous, this is without dispute. Zimmerman considered the situation he was in and in his mind felt he was in danger of being killed OR suffering severe bodily harm. Zimmerman, in interviews, claims that Martin noticed his sidearm and attempted to wrest it from its holster. At this juncture Zimmerman managed to control the weapon, drew it, and fired a single shot that resulted in stopping the assault and the subsequent death of Martin. Regardless of the validity of the claim that Martin attempted to grab the pistol, the assault and beating Zimmerman was receiving at the hands of Martin was sufficient cause for Zimmerman to exercise ANY and all remedies to defend himself.

6) Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense.

End of story, and should be the end of the matter entirely.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: yaayme on July 17, 2013, 08:18:27 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both cases, not the judge. There's really no irony because the two cases have so many differences.

Excuse me prosecutor...You don't see the hypocrisy? I woman (Marissa Alexander) fired warning shots in self defense at her abusive husband and gets 20 years, but Zimmerman AGGRAVATES an indecent with a child, kills him and gets off. Both claimed self defense but a mother who was in actual danger and DIDN'T KILL ANYONE gets 20 years, but Zimmerman wasn't even charged with manslaughter...Okay.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: weased on July 17, 2013, 09:23:43 am
It is a tragedy, nonetheless.  Zimmerman's smile says it all:  he killed a young, unarmed Black man and got off.  Of course, the NAACP is being swamped with telephone calls because, in my opinion, justice has not been served.  I still say he is guilty as sin:  There was not one Black juror at his trial and even the judge was White.  I think it is a tragedy that ruined Zimmerman's life and the family of Trayvon Martin is crying out for justice.  I hear that Florida is a racist state.  My granddaughters live there now.  That goes to show you that the police in Florida didn't want to arrest Zimmerman because, in their opinion, his actions took a young Black man off the streets.  I know that justice will be served one day when Zimmerman has to go in front of the man upstairs. ??? :o ??? :wave:
m Sorry, you clearly didn`t watch any of the trial, I  watched most of it and it`s clear that the gun would never have been used if Trayvon had not reached for it. As far as your last sentence, there is no "man Upstairs" God is not a man, and your "he`ll get his in the end " attitude will have to change if you want to spend eternity in Heaven
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: yaayme on July 17, 2013, 09:46:01 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

1) Zimmerman was not instructed to stay in his vehicle. Specifically the dispatcher said: "We don't need you to do that"... which is not a command in any way at all. Zimmerman was 'doing his job' as a neighborhood watch person and was keeping tabs on Martin's whereabouts.

2) Zimmerman did NOT 'chase down' Martin in any way or fashion. The FACT is that Zimmerman followed the movements of Martin at a distance, and was constantly talking with the aforementioned dispatcher on the phone.

3) The last comment of Zimmerman to the dispatcher was that he had 'lost' Martin, and was RETURNING to his vehicle. Very shortly after this Martin CONFRONTED Zimmerman. Zimmerman's story is that this was immediately followed with Martin throwing a punch. Evidence presented is the dislocation of Zimmerman's nose. Regardless of this 'punch' it is known and undisputed that a fight ensued.

4) In said fight, Martin became situated atop Zimmerman and proceeded to pummel Zimmerman, this included forcing Zimmerman's head to contact a concrete sidewalk. This is not only the account of Zimmerman; it is the testimony of an eye witness. It is plausible that in the course of these two struggling that their bodies shifted positions in all manner of ways.

5) Zimmerman was being beaten to the point he was screaming or help, and though the fight was in progress and being seen as it happened, no assistance was forthcoming form anyone. Zimmerman's situation was perilous, this is without dispute. Zimmerman considered the situation he was in and in his mind felt he was in danger of being killed OR suffering severe bodily harm. Zimmerman, in interviews, claims that Martin noticed his sidearm and attempted to wrest it from its holster. At this juncture Zimmerman managed to control the weapon, drew it, and fired a single shot that resulted in stopping the assault and the subsequent death of Martin. Regardless of the validity of the claim that Martin attempted to grab the pistol, the assault and beating Zimmerman was receiving at the hands of Martin was sufficient cause for Zimmerman to exercise ANY and all remedies to defend himself.

6) Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense.

End of story, and should be the end of the matter entirely.

Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: lvstephanie on July 17, 2013, 09:55:14 am
I wonder how many of you were influnced by the news media and their biased reporting. Aimmerman was tried and convected by them. Thank heavens the jury heard all the evidence in the court room and used their judgement on this case, The defense were never given all of the information about the young man whom was shot. As far as the naacp they re now stirring the pot for trouble. All of this would not have been reported if it had been a white child shot by a man of color. The news media like stirring up trouble al of the time.

Sort of like how little got reported of a white teenager, Marley Lion age 17, who was unarmed, but shot and killed by a 30 year old black man. You don't hear much about that (except for the comparisons with the Zimmerman-Martin case).

It really is sad how the media can influence so many people that were not involved intimately with the case and don't know all of the facts. This gets aggravated by the social and on-line media where other information and disinformation can spread rapidly. And when the sheeple get involved, then the rule of law breaks down and we get a mob rule instead. With all of the riots and protests resulting from the verdict, the US government has decided to enter into this witch hunt (the phrase being used to mean the actions of a mob rule dictating the course of events) even though 1) Zimmerman cannot be tried on the murder charges again lest his civil rights against double jeopardy are violated and 2) for any case based on the racial aspect is difficult to prosecute without being able to read a person's mind, esp. if you consider that a neighborhood watch is supposed to keep tabs on anything / anyone that is out of the ordinary. The only thing I could see the US government really having any effect on in this case would be to investigate how the investigation was handled by the police and to root out any racism in the police department. And although that may appease some people, since Zimmerman would not specifically be targeted in that type of investigation, I think that many people would still be upset that Zimmerman got off "scot free".
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sigmapi1501 on July 17, 2013, 09:59:40 am
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Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.

I am empathetic to your outrage, as the media has told you to be outraged and you complied. However, the evidence does not back up this version of the events.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sigmapi1501 on July 17, 2013, 10:03:14 am
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Sort of like how little got reported of a white teenager, Marley Lion age 17, who was unarmed, but shot and killed by a 30 year old black man. You don't hear much about that (except for the comparisons with the Zimmerman-Martin case).

Not apples to apples.  The men who shot him were arrested as soon as they were found and charged. The initial outrage in the Trayvon case was that Zimmerman wasn't arrested.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: hawkeye3210 on July 17, 2013, 10:06:35 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both cases, not the judge. There's really no irony because the two cases have so many differences.

Excuse me prosecutor...You don't see the hypocrisy? I woman (Marissa Alexander) fired warning shots in self defense at her abusive husband and gets 20 years, but Zimmerman AGGRAVATES an indecent with a child, kills him and gets off. Both claimed self defense but a mother who was in actual danger and DIDN'T KILL ANYONE gets 20 years, but Zimmerman wasn't even charged with manslaughter...Okay.

Marissa Alexander got in a argument with her husband, went outside to her car to grab a gun, came back in pointed it at her husband and then shot off two warning shots while her kids were also in the house. This wasn't self defense, nor was this standing her ground.

Since these are only two data points, how about we look at the bigger picture. In Florida, in cases where the defendant was black and claimed a “Stand Your Ground” defense, 55 percent were considered “justified”. In contrast, when the defendant was white, about 53 percent were considered “justified”.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/?print=1

The idea that this is a miscarriage of justice or that it is sign of greater racial bias is fictional.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: cowgirlx on July 17, 2013, 10:27:45 am
What a tragic end to such a sad event. His family really needed that closure.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: yaayme on July 17, 2013, 11:28:21 am
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Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.

I am empathetic to your outrage, as the media has told you to be outraged and you complied. However, the evidence does not back up this version of the events.

The media told me to be outraged?!...That's so funny...I understand that you lack empathy for people who don't look like you, therefore you assume people who have genuine outrage over a child being racially profiled and murdered are somehow brainwashed...I get it...I wanna now how does evidence not back up what I say?! Wasn't Trayvon stalked in his own neighborhood? Didn't Zimmerman get out of his car, when he was told not to? Did a struggle ensue? Was Trayvon not killed?...Tell me this, what was the purpose of Zimmerman getting out of his car??...The reality of the situation is a innocent kid was racially profiled in his own neighborhood and killed blocks away from his home. What people like you and others are really saying is that Trayvon has no rights. He didn't have a right to walk the streets of his own neighborhood, didn't have a right to live in the neighborhood, didn't have a right to go to the store, he didn't have the right to assert himself to a complete stranger that was harassing him, didn't have a right to defend himself, didn't have a right to live and now you're saying I don't have a right to complain. Typical!...This story hits home because I have brothers who were racially profiled, but thank God they made it home safe. Trayvon wasn't so lucky. That could have easily been them. But you don't know a damn thing about that, do you?! People pretend it's not racial but imagine if BOTH WERE WHITE. Instead of Trayvon being black, say he was a white kid. I bet you all agree under those same circumstances that George Zimmerman would deserve manslaughter. Am I right? I know I am...I'M OFFICIALLY DONE!! BYE!!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: pwhittle1 on July 17, 2013, 12:20:37 pm
When will people learn to stop using their color? See each other as equal/all the same. Until this happens there will always be an issue of race.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: hawkeye3210 on July 17, 2013, 01:41:30 pm
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Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.

I am empathetic to your outrage, as the media has told you to be outraged and you complied. However, the evidence does not back up this version of the events.

The media told me to be outraged?!...That's so funny...I understand that you lack empathy for people who don't look like you, therefore you assume people who have genuine outrage over a child being racially profiled and murdered are somehow brainwashed...I get it...I wanna now how does evidence not back up what I say?! Wasn't Trayvon stalked in his own neighborhood? Didn't Zimmerman get out of his car, when he was told not to? Did a struggle ensue? Was Trayvon not killed?...Tell me this, what was the purpose of Zimmerman getting out of his car??...The reality of the situation is a innocent kid was racially profiled in his own neighborhood and killed blocks away from his home. What people like you and others are really saying is that Trayvon has no rights. He didn't have a right to walk the streets of his own neighborhood, didn't have a right to live in the neighborhood, didn't have a right to go to the store, he didn't have the right to assert himself to a complete stranger that was harassing him, didn't have a right to defend himself, didn't have a right to live and now you're saying I don't have a right to complain. Typical!...This story hits home because I have brothers who were racially profiled, but thank God they made it home safe. Trayvon wasn't so lucky. That could have easily been them. But you don't know a damn thing about that, do you?! People pretend it's not racial but imagine if BOTH WERE WHITE. Instead of Trayvon being black, say he was a white kid. I bet you all agree under those same circumstances that George Zimmerman would deserve manslaughter. Am I right? I know I am...I'M OFFICIALLY DONE!! BYE!!

Wait, who's the one racially profiling? If someone of another color believes the GZ was not guilty based on the evidence, that does not mean that person lacks empathy for those who don't look like them. That's a crazy and borderline racist accusation. No one is saying Trayvon didn't have any rights. That's another crazy accusation. This wasn't a racial issue, even though you, and the media are trying to make it be that.

Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Falconer02 on July 17, 2013, 01:46:24 pm
I'm really sick and tired of everyone pointing out all the news stories of this. You've been duped by major news organizations so they get more attention and make money off of those oh so important ads. This is on par with highlighting the Swine flu-- every news station and everyone made a huge deal out of it when it was just another flu hovering around. The amount of racism on the internet is despicable right now. Some white-hispanic man killed some black 17-yr-old teen who was being an physically-abusive jerk and he was found innocent? 47 people got shot (9 killed) last month in Chicago and you probably can't name one victim. Get over it.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 17, 2013, 03:44:22 pm
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

1) Zimmerman was not instructed to stay in his vehicle. Specifically the dispatcher said: "We don't need you to do that"... which is not a command in any way at all. Zimmerman was 'doing his job' as a neighborhood watch person and was keeping tabs on Martin's whereabouts.

2) Zimmerman did NOT 'chase down' Martin in any way or fashion. The FACT is that Zimmerman followed the movements of Martin at a distance, and was constantly talking with the aforementioned dispatcher on the phone.

3) The last comment of Zimmerman to the dispatcher was that he had 'lost' Martin, and was RETURNING to his vehicle. Very shortly after this Martin CONFRONTED Zimmerman. Zimmerman's story is that this was immediately followed with Martin throwing a punch. Evidence presented is the dislocation of Zimmerman's nose. Regardless of this 'punch' it is known and undisputed that a fight ensued.

4) In said fight, Martin became situated atop Zimmerman and proceeded to pummel Zimmerman, this included forcing Zimmerman's head to contact a concrete sidewalk. This is not only the account of Zimmerman; it is the testimony of an eye witness. It is plausible that in the course of these two struggling that their bodies shifted positions in all manner of ways.

5) Zimmerman was being beaten to the point he was screaming or help, and though the fight was in progress and being seen as it happened, no assistance was forthcoming form anyone. Zimmerman's situation was perilous, this is without dispute. Zimmerman considered the situation he was in and in his mind felt he was in danger of being killed OR suffering severe bodily harm. Zimmerman, in interviews, claims that Martin noticed his sidearm and attempted to wrest it from its holster. At this juncture Zimmerman managed to control the weapon, drew it, and fired a single shot that resulted in stopping the assault and the subsequent death of Martin. Regardless of the validity of the claim that Martin attempted to grab the pistol, the assault and beating Zimmerman was receiving at the hands of Martin was sufficient cause for Zimmerman to exercise ANY and all remedies to defend himself.

6) Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense.

End of story, and should be the end of the matter entirely.

Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 17, 2013, 03:50:00 pm
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

1) Zimmerman was not instructed to stay in his vehicle. Specifically the dispatcher said: "We don't need you to do that"... which is not a command in any way at all. Zimmerman was 'doing his job' as a neighborhood watch person and was keeping tabs on Martin's whereabouts.

2) Zimmerman did NOT 'chase down' Martin in any way or fashion. The FACT is that Zimmerman followed the movements of Martin at a distance, and was constantly talking with the aforementioned dispatcher on the phone.

3) The last comment of Zimmerman to the dispatcher was that he had 'lost' Martin, and was RETURNING to his vehicle. Very shortly after this Martin CONFRONTED Zimmerman. Zimmerman's story is that this was immediately followed with Martin throwing a punch. Evidence presented is the dislocation of Zimmerman's nose. Regardless of this 'punch' it is known and undisputed that a fight ensued.

4) In said fight, Martin became situated atop Zimmerman and proceeded to pummel Zimmerman, this included forcing Zimmerman's head to contact a concrete sidewalk. This is not only the account of Zimmerman; it is the testimony of an eye witness. It is plausible that in the course of these two struggling that their bodies shifted positions in all manner of ways.

5) Zimmerman was being beaten to the point he was screaming or help, and though the fight was in progress and being seen as it happened, no assistance was forthcoming form anyone. Zimmerman's situation was perilous, this is without dispute. Zimmerman considered the situation he was in and in his mind felt he was in danger of being killed OR suffering severe bodily harm. Zimmerman, in interviews, claims that Martin noticed his sidearm and attempted to wrest it from its holster. At this juncture Zimmerman managed to control the weapon, drew it, and fired a single shot that resulted in stopping the assault and the subsequent death of Martin. Regardless of the validity of the claim that Martin attempted to grab the pistol, the assault and beating Zimmerman was receiving at the hands of Martin was sufficient cause for Zimmerman to exercise ANY and all remedies to defend himself.

6) Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense.

End of story, and should be the end of the matter entirely.

Okay, sense you're putting yourself in the shoes of Zimmerman, try putting yourself in the shoe's of a 17 year old kid, not even a 17 year old black male. But just a 17 year old kid, if you can. I know it's hard, but just imagine...You're a kid walking home from the store and all of a sudden you are pursued in a car by a total stranger. This stranger who NEVER identified himself as Neighborhood Watch inquires you about who you are and where you're going IN YOUR OWN DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD! Just imagine that...Then the stranger gets out of his car WHEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO...and YES, "We don't need you to do that" was instructing him not to get out the car. For example...If someone asked you "Can I cut your lawn" and you say "I don't need you to do that" .Aren't you telling them in a NUANCE way, NOT TO CUT YOUR LAWN? If someone asked you "Can I water your plant" and you tell them "I don't need you to do that" and the person does it anyway and ends up knocking it over and breaking that pot. Didn't you tell them in a NUANCE way NOT to? Can you comprehend that?...Back to what I was saying...This unidentified HOSTILE stranger then GETS OUT OF HIS CAR! Wouldn't that incite fear in you that this person intends to do you harm? The creepy person was already following you in a car, now the person STEPS OUT, initiating a confrontation. Because stepping out of a car IS initiating a confrontation. You say Zimmerman was "defending himself" allegedly, okay. TRAYVON WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF TOO!! HELLLOOOOOO!!!....The point is, if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car LIKE HE WAS INSTRUCTED and just keep tailing Trayvon then he would have seen the kid walk to his house which wasn't that far away. But because of RACIAL profiling an innocent child is dead...Under those circumstances HE SHOULD AT LEAST GOT MANSLAUGHTER. I'm done with this whole conversation...believe what you want.

No, you err in saying I am putting myself in Zimmerman's shoes. I am simply stating the facts that became evident in the course of the trial. There was no contact between Zimmerman and Martin until Martin confronted Zimmerman at a point in time that Zimmerman was returning to his car (evidenced by his phone conversation with the dispatcher). The fact of the matter is that Martin could have just continued on to his residence, but chose to make an issue of things with Zimmerman and a fight ensued.

Don't put words in others mouth. I am happy you are done with this, everyone should be.

Never let the facts interfere with your thinking...
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Ziffy on July 17, 2013, 04:25:11 pm
95% of the people I've talked to and most of the commentators on the web and news shows didn't even watch the parts of the trial that were shown. I can tell by their comments because I did watch it. I'm surprised at all the politicians and even legal people commenting who think the trial was based on the stand your ground law. One lady in a game I play even said how could they find him innocent after he shot a kid in the back?  I just think people should watch the trial before commenting, that's if it's available to be seen, or at least read a transcript of the testimony.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sigmapi1501 on July 17, 2013, 07:07:11 pm
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The media told me to be outraged?!...That's so funny...I understand that you lack empathy for people who don't look like you, therefore you assume people who have genuine outrage over a child being racially profiled and murdered are somehow brainwashed...I get it...I wanna now how does evidence not back up what I say?! Wasn't Trayvon stalked in his own neighborhood? Didn't Zimmerman get out of his car, when he was told not to? Did a struggle ensue? Was Trayvon not killed?...Tell me this, what was the purpose of Zimmerman getting out of his car??...The reality of the situation is a innocent kid was racially profiled in his own neighborhood and killed blocks away from his home. What people like you and others are really saying is that Trayvon has no rights. He didn't have a right to walk the streets of his own neighborhood, didn't have a right to live in the neighborhood, didn't have a right to go to the store, he didn't have the right to assert himself to a complete stranger that was harassing him, didn't have a right to defend himself, didn't have a right to live and now you're saying I don't have a right to complain. Typical!...This story hits home because I have brothers who were racially profiled, but thank God they made it home safe. Trayvon wasn't so lucky. That could have easily been them. But you don't know a damn thing about that, do you?! People pretend it's not racial but imagine if BOTH WERE WHITE. Instead of Trayvon being black, say he was a white kid. I bet you all agree under those same circumstances that George Zimmerman would deserve manslaughter. Am I right? I know I am...I'M OFFICIALLY DONE!! BYE!!

If a white kid said "This cracka gonna die tonight" (this statement was entered in court as said by Tayvon) then punched Zimmerman in the face, mounted him MMA style and began to beat his head into the sidewalk and THEN Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the White boy dead. Would I be outraged? NO! You wanna know why? Because I would have never heard about it. The media thought this story smelled delicious and sensationalized it. They painted the shooter as an overzealous racist and the gang banger athletic teen as an innocent "child". Trayvon wanted to be a tough guy. Instead of telling Zimmerman he lived in the neighborhood he mounted him. He got shot. This all could have been avoided if BOTH men would have acted differently.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: hawkeye3210 on July 17, 2013, 07:37:17 pm

Sort of like how little got reported of a white teenager, Marley Lion age 17, who was unarmed, but shot and killed by a 30 year old black man. You don't hear much about that (except for the comparisons with the Zimmerman-Martin case).


A better comparison would be of another white 17 year old named Christopher Cervini, who was unarmed, and shot a killed by Roderick Scott, a 42 year old black man. Scott claimed to have acted in self-defense after Cervini charged at him. The jury also found Scott not guilty. This happened in 2009, but the first I am hearing about it is today.

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: bjohnson52 on July 17, 2013, 09:37:16 pm
 We need a miracle from God to stop all of this hate and racism and other
horrific crimes.  The truth of the matter is how we as humans are bought up
from childhood to accept or not accept the diversities of other humans.

Nothing will change for the best until we can be honest with each other about how we feel
towards each other without resorting to murder or violence.

If you are human, you know that there are people of your own race that you don't like but
it normally wouldn't lead to murder but it can some times lead to violence.

There's no excuse for either just know that this big world that God
made for us has has a whole lot of varieties and that's a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: vp44 on July 18, 2013, 04:24:23 am
Well to me I would say the media does not influence any one because if they said everyone's jumping off a bridge so you should to I do not think everyone reading or watching would do it. You watch the news and read articles and form your own opinion. I do think the media shines light on things that some fail to believe that is still going on in America and that is racism and also racial profiling. Plus a neighbor hood watch person is not allowed to carry a weapon because their only job is to observe and report and not confront but wait for the police. It was his right to carry a weapon but he did not follow rules of neighbor hood watch group. All this young man was doing was walking down the street headed for home. From a interview I read from one of the police detective asked him what was he doing for you to suspect him and Z said nothing I was just following him to make sure. Therefore this man stalked this young man, a altercation happened and now the young man is dead. A few neighbor hood watch groups have spoken out and said Z did not follow the rules that is set by the police them self. If he would have had a stun gun there would be 2 people alive and not 1 from this terrible incident. Now that is my opinion I formed on my own.  :peace: :heart:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Falconer02 on July 18, 2013, 02:12:27 pm
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Well to me I would say the media does not influence any one because if they said everyone's jumping off a bridge so you should to I do not think everyone reading or watching would do it.

You do realize that's used as a metaphor, right? People listen to major news organizations as factual news all the time. It's bull.

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All this young man was doing was walking down the street headed for home.

...and slugging a dude in the head repeatedly.

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Now that is my opinion I formed on my own.

Just like the major news organizations do! Nice job on learning from them!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: vp44 on July 18, 2013, 08:42:36 pm
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Well to me I would say the media does not influence any one because if they said everyone's jumping off a bridge so you should to I do not think everyone reading or watching would do it.

You do realize that's used as a metaphor, right? People listen to major news organizations as factual news all the time. It's bull.

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All this young man was doing was walking down the street headed for home.

...and slugging a dude in the head repeatedly.

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Now that is my opinion I formed on my own.

Just like the major news organizations do! Nice job on learning from them!

Speak for yourself! You do not know me to say what I learn.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: nmsmith on July 19, 2013, 12:20:55 am
CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY THERE WERE ONLY 6 JURORS ON THIS JURY?  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: vp44 on July 19, 2013, 05:08:45 am
CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY THERE WERE ONLY 6 JURORS ON THIS JURY?  :dontknow:
I do not know but I bet you can not blame this on the media! :icon_rr: Silly Fools!
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 19, 2013, 06:38:45 am
The State of Florida uses 6 jurors to bring in the verdict but there are more than 6 jurors empaneled as alternates that hear the case. That is the best I can say, not being a resident of FL.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sfreeman8 on July 19, 2013, 08:32:48 am
this is a really deep dicussion lol I've read a few of the responses on here and in my opinion the verdict was wrong some may say it wasn't enough evidence but it was so much pointing towards him saying that he did kill an innocent young man out of spite not for self defense but like someone else said Florida can't even count its ballots so what could we have expected from this trial.

Truthfully, the jury had to go by the instructions given by the judge and by the definition of the laws. This is why he was found not guilty. He did not willfully kill Martin. It was a case of self-defense.  There was no injustice except what Attorney General Corey tried to do by keeping evidence from the defense.

A lot of people were swayed by the media who portrayed Martin as a "young, innocent, little boy" while, in fact, he was suspended from school 3 times mostly for fighting, he was looking to by a gun, he loved to street fight, and he thought of himself as a 'gansta.' He was not a little boy, either. He was 6' tall and weighed 160 lbs, while Zimmernan was 5'8" and 195 lb. and wasn't a fighter.

The media forgot to mention that Zimmerman followed the dispatcher's orders. After Zimmerman got the street address for the dispatcher, he was turning around to go back to his truck when he was waylaid by Martin ("a punch in the nose will put anyone down quickly"). The one tape was also doctored, partly edited out for sensationalism. Al Sharpton did not help the matter, either by protesting 'No Justice, No Peace." That's race baiting and inciting a riot that happened in different places around the country after the verdict, but unless you really dig deep on line, you won't see anything about it on TV.

There were so many mistakes made prior to, and during this case that it has put a wedge between races and the years of "peace" (even though hidden) has been destroyed.  Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson, Angela Corey and the prosecuting team played a large part in this wedge and it will take many years (again) to heal the wounds caused by this case.

Sorry, I get carried away on legal matters and politics at times.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: mjdoug03 on July 19, 2013, 08:35:17 am
If you look at the evidence it's obvious that there wasn't enough to convict him, but our emotions and human side are telling us that if he didn't follow this boy like the police told him, he'd still be alive.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: dwiley11 on July 19, 2013, 08:48:46 am
who cares we should be talking about the sicko in cleveland
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: cateyes1 on July 19, 2013, 09:12:54 am
who cares we should be talking about the sicko in cleveland



What happened?
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: sfreeman8 on July 19, 2013, 10:19:10 am
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both cases, not the judge. There's really no irony because the two cases have so many differences.


1.  Marrisa Alexander did not shoot at her husband. She shot the gun in the air, but I don't think her life was in danger. Don't quote me on that because I only saw a short piece on this case.

2. Martin was not an innocent child. He was 17 and should have known better than to attack someone without a reason. Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car...in fact, it was a truck, not a car...but he was told to get the name of the street and let the dispatcher know so they could send the cops. Zimmerman got the name of the street and was on his way back to his truck when he was attacked by Martin.

3.  Angela Corey was the Attorney General, not the prosecutor. She called Zimmerman a murderer and did everything in her power to try and convict Zimmerman and even hid discovery evidence AND the name of "Witness 8" (Jeantel)  from the defense so the defense wouldn't be able to defend their client (Zimmerman) or, in the case of Witness 8, be able to cross-examine this witness. Corey should be sanctioned or even disbarred for the underhanded way she handled this whole thing.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: tashamjoy on July 26, 2013, 06:03:13 pm
I have not followed it very well so hard to comment all i know is just because someone looks suspicious does not mean you have the right to kill them i have heard that zimmerman was beat up i dont know if there is proof of that but all i know is i feel bad he was killed but am not sure what to believe =(
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Falconer02 on July 27, 2013, 10:07:01 am
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2. Martin was not an innocent child. He was 17 and should have known better than to attack someone without reason.

In my opinion, this is the foundational point of the whole thing. The overuse of the media using the picture of Trayvon when he was 12 is hilarious imo.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: kaitsilva on July 27, 2013, 02:20:49 pm
It's a travesty.

I think the prosecutors didn't handle the trial well in general, perhaps because they were too over-confident. Also, they should have considered the lesser charge of manslaughter, which was more appropriate under the circumstances (because Zimmerman didn't initially follow Martin with the intention to kill him), rather than giving in to the public appeal.

Either way, Zimmerman killed somebody. He did it on purpose and admitted to it after the fact. The self-defense argument is a sham because even though they were in a fist fight, Martin posed no immediate threat to his life-- Zimmerman only had minor injuries. Not to mention that the fight only began after Martin confronted Zimmerman for following him, which Zimmerman was doing because Martin "looked like trouble" (something local dispatchers told Zimmerman NOT to do when he called 911 just before.) And despite whatever trouble Martin may have looked like, he actually was just walking home from the store.

I think it's kind of a failing to give him NO punishment whatsoever for killing another human being because they hit you a few times.

Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 27, 2013, 08:47:39 pm
Thank heaven that someone KNOWS what another person's state of mind is! In particular when that someone is under assault. I am pretty certain that the person making such valid assumptions has been in a similar situation or in combat receiving fire. Yeah, I was always certain that little dude over there squeezing off round after round would exercise good judgment and stop attacking just before rendering me to a state of room temperature. Yes, it is always the case that a person under attack can be assured they will not be maimed or killed, even more so when they are at the hands of one that has begun the assault.

Mr. Martin did attack Mr. Zimmerman, without provocation. Being 'watched' is no justification in any rational way to physically attack someone. Mr. Zimmerman may be thought to have exercised poor judgment for leaving his vehicle in the first place, but that pales in comparison to Martin's poor judgment in taking the decision that he was going to beat up someone just because he did not like being 'watched'. Martin, with proper judgment would simply have continued on to the place he was staying and then called the police on his own behalf if he felt so terribly endangered. Instead, Martin exercised the actions of a thug and paid for it with this life.

Learning of Martin's character and history after the trial, it can easily be thought that this kid would very likely get himself killed at some point if not at the hands of Zimmerman, then someone else. 
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jiuchan on July 27, 2013, 09:29:19 pm
i'm not really following the story.. its gone too long in my opinion.. xD
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: king4cash on July 28, 2013, 05:00:20 am
I never followed the Trial, however the jury made a decision, the Judge made his ruling, lets get on with life.....
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Falconer02 on July 28, 2013, 11:17:44 am
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Either way, Zimmerman killed somebody. He did it on purpose and admitted to it after the fact. The self-defense argument is a sham because even though they were in a fist fight, Martin posed no immediate threat to his life-- Zimmerman only had minor injuries. Not to mention that the fight only began after Martin confronted Zimmerman for following him, which Zimmerman was doing because Martin "looked like trouble" (something local dispatchers told Zimmerman NOT to do when he called 911 just before.) And despite whatever trouble Martin may have looked like, he actually was just walking home from the store.

One shouldn't be punished if they believe their life is in immediate danger. Zimmerman didn't follow proper protocol, but in no way did that excuse Martin for going postal on Zimmerman and bashing the back of his head on the cement. If you look up the injuries, they look severe.  You probably have no idea what it feels like to be in a brawl like that. A man's survival instincts kick in. That's why I can't hold him accountable and think he shouldn't be punished. When someone attacks you physically and you feel they have the intent to kill you or massively injure you, they give up their basic human rights. Sitting back, taking the pain, and hoping the police arrive before the abuser gets away is just naive.

Another thing to think about is Zimmerman's life now. He'll probably have to get his name changed, move, etc. His life will never be the same. If you think he deserves to be punished, that's punishment enough.

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however the jury made a decision, the Judge made his ruling, lets get on with life.....

Agreed.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Skandon on July 28, 2013, 11:43:50 am
I agree that the prosecutors didn't handle things as well as they could have.  They gave the defense a lot of points.  Even the jury selection could have been better.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on July 28, 2013, 03:05:34 pm
I agree that the prosecutors didn't handle things as well as they could have.  They gave the defense a lot of points.  Even the jury selection could have been better.

Actually, the prosecution team did an excellent job with what they had to work with, which from the beginning was nothing. The case should never have been brought to trial and was only done so to placate the likes of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson.

True that the prosecution gave the defense a lot of points, those would the FACTS and the truth of the matter. In addition they offered the most absurd attempts ever to manufacture a case against an innocent man only because their mission was 'political correctness' and not enforcement of the law. Even to the point of hiding massive amounts of exculpatory evidence.

The case is sad, sad that a misguided young man lost his life and sad that the man he attacked will never live a day without this debacle present in his mind and life. The saddest part of all this is that we now have a significant part society that thinks that it is perfectly acceptable, even desirable that POLITICS should be made part of our judicial process. The ramifications of this is potentially disastrous. How long will it be before activist politicians begin to prosecute those that hold views different than their own? It is bad enough that Obama and his minions already are using their acolytes in the IRS, DHS, EPA, and who knows all the others to persecute their opposition. Give it serious thought, this is not just one case to ponder, this is potentially YOUR future.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: vp44 on July 29, 2013, 02:14:33 am
It is sad when there is 2 sides to a story and only 1 side was told. Activist have been around for years to speak for those who are unable to speak for them self. This process has been going on for years. Since the days of fighting against wars. Some of the first terrorist in America were white Americans.  :o
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: kerseycarol on July 29, 2013, 05:33:48 am
that just wrong not guilty  god knows  what those people did so I ll let  the big guy judge them  so should everybody else  but it freedom of speech not guilty bull
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: kilophkadamas on July 31, 2013, 02:26:26 am
I've kept up with this, but ultimately I realize that it's not so much the incident that's important, as it is how people react and take action. Some are using it to put forth their own agendas.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Tresbn00 on August 01, 2013, 03:15:41 pm
I think that it is ridiculous that the press took it this far, that the nation got so up in arms over one death, and that our President felt it necessary to put his two cents in.  The Department of Justice was thinking about delving deeper into this?  You have to be kidding me?  What was Zimmerman supposed to do...let a punk beat him to death? Jay Z, Kanye West and Stevie Wonder are going to Boycott concerts in Florida? How do I get them to Boycott Colorado?  Jay Z's Album flopped on the Verizon offering so he is lightening his concert stance. Katy Perry spoke about what a horrible injustice this was?  Not nearly as unjust as her music is to my ears.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: alaskakaren on August 01, 2013, 07:45:00 pm
I did not really follow the trial...
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: swkstudent on August 01, 2013, 08:55:48 pm
I don't agree with the verdict and I have several reasons why but I speaking about this case just makes me angry and kind of sad.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: bjohnson52 on August 01, 2013, 10:26:55 pm
Guys,

Okay let's say Zimmerman was defending himself, he didn't have to shoot Trevon Martin in the chest and kill him.  He could have shot him in the leg or other non-fatal area.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: lynnc35 on August 01, 2013, 11:38:39 pm
anyone can get away with murder saying it is self defense if they do not fix this law. the cops told him to sit still and not go after that man, he was not a police officer and had no right to pursue him to start with.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Skandon on August 02, 2013, 08:50:32 am
 I totally agree, Zimmerman got away with murder.  He disobeyed instructions and went after him.  Now he is pulled over for speeding in Texas, with a gun with him.  He feels that he is above the law, go as fast as he wants etc.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: BJohnsonPP on August 02, 2013, 09:32:44 am
I don't think anyone should have an issue with the verdict because if you understand what second degree murder means, he's not guilty of it by its definition. The verdict was the proper one but the issue should've been with the charges. Some form of manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary) would've been a better charge. Following someone around and not identifying yourself when all someone is doing is walking home from the store will lead them react. To say Zimmerman's actions didn't lead to the altercation is ridiculous.

Also, our courts are set up to handle these issues, so there's no reason why, after you kill someone, you should be let go. The "stand your ground" law is completely unnecessary. If it's self defense, fine, but let that be determined by a court trial, not by you simply saying you were just defending yourself and being let go by the police.

Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: mrisha on August 02, 2013, 11:00:35 am
The problem is the police did not do a proper job or follow protocol when it came to Zimmerman.  I knew he would get off but what offends me is that he was smiling for getting away with murder.  Just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he was innocent.  The corrupt lawyers and police really know how to twist the truth.  But Zimmerman's life will not be the same. God does not like ugliness.

Just a couple of days ago he driving is some other city with a gun and he got away with a slap on the wrist telling him to be careful. 
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: rainman306 on August 02, 2013, 01:13:33 pm
I think it is an okay verdice ... remember there is a high bar to convict someone per the old adage "rather set 1,000 guilty men free than convict 1 innocent man"
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on August 02, 2013, 01:23:05 pm
Just a reminder: The 'Stand your ground' law had nothing to do with this case, not one time was it presented by the defense or the prosecution. This was a self defense case, period.

Trying to make more out of this case than there is to it is sophomoric and grossly ignorant.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: BJohnsonPP on August 02, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
Just a reminder: The 'Stand your ground' law had nothing to do with this case, not one time was it presented by the defense or the prosecution. This was a self defense case, period.

Trying to make more out of this case than there is to it is sophomoric and grossly ignorant.

The "stand your ground" law and this case are inseparable. It doesn't matter if it was brought up in the trial or not. It's "sophomoric and grossly ignorant" to not understand that. The law gained national attention BECAUSE of this indecent. Zimmerman was let go on his word BECAUSE of that law. He was only arrested after people raised a stink. If he had been arrested then and there, which didn't happen BECAUSE of the law, there may not have been as much controversy and maybe no attention at all.

If I trip over your sidewalk and break my leg and sue you to pay medical expenses, does that mean you shouldn't fix your sidewalk? To prevent future accidents, you fix the sidewalk which is the same reason you fix (get rid of) the law. You don't wait until something else happens.

So again:

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...our courts are set up to handle these issues, so there's no reason why, after you kill someone, you should be let go. The 'stand your ground" law is completely unnecessary. If it's self defense, fine, but let that be determined by a court trial, not by you simply saying you were just defending yourself and being let go by the police.

There's way more to this case than a simple matter of self defense. Much more needs to be made out of profiling someone who's simply walking home from the store. Much more needs to be made out of following someone at night while armed without identifying yourself and expecting them to think nothing of it. There'd be no need for "self defense" if that doesn't happen. To not acknowledge that these actions provoked the entire situation is idiotic.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: g0ku4life on August 02, 2013, 05:22:59 pm
I really didn't follow the trial either...I have too much going on in my own life lol
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: bigfoot951 on August 02, 2013, 06:26:56 pm
None of us know what happened that day.  Only Zimmerman and Martin know...and dead men don't talk.  The way the trial went though...it would have been shocking if anything came back other than a not guilty.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: Skandon on September 11, 2013, 10:36:41 pm
Looks like Zimmerman's true colors are coming out.  Wife had to call police on him and he smashed ipad.  Kept threatening her and her family with a gun!!  Makes you wonder what he said to Trayvon that dreadful night.
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: cateyes1 on September 12, 2013, 06:10:02 am
Only thing is Mrs Zimmerman was up on perjury charges so it makes one wonder if she even told the truth about this last incident???????? I question why if he did all that why didn't she press charges  :dontknow:
Title: Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
Post by: jmccaskill on September 12, 2013, 01:06:17 pm
Yeah, Zimmerman's true colors are coming out... and that would be MRS. Zimmerman's true colors! Seems that she has some serious issues with telling the truth, which has been an issue before. As to George, nothing different or new with him is this silliness that I can see. ;D