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do u really like this so called change i mean almost half the world is poor now because of this wonderful change ... whats ur input?
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My republican parents sure dont like him. But I do, I mean he is certainly better than I believe McCain would have been. But those are just my beliefs, not trying to start a fight or anything. :)
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yeah when it comes to this kind of stuff people are afraid to answer cause it always starts an argument ...
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Well, he is making BAD decisions for our country, but NO OPINION PUT. So don't start a fight or anything, I don't really care who's President as long as they care for the country... NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE.
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IN MY OPINION... SINCE YOU ASK....
I cannot not stand the man... I don't trust him nor 'follow' him. I don't believe for one second he "Loves" his country or even cares about America. I believe that he and Oprah and Jesse Jackson and everyone else just wanted to see the first Black President. When he won the election people were crying everywhere going on about that... not that they were happy that he was going to "change" things... that he was Black. He's a flippin' celebrity... Oprah has never endorsed ANY OTHER PRESIDENT!! Why him??? Because he's Black???? I don't want to start a fight either, it's just my opinion.... I don't feel he cares about this country... if I did see that, then no it wouldn't matter to me. I'm not saying that McCain or Hilary or anyone else would have been better... but to answer the question...
I DO NOT LIKE HIM!!!!
:BangHead:
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The only 'change' I've noticed since he became president is the amount of Obama jokes...Oh yea, and a push towards being a socialist nation. Obama now owns half the cars in America...I'm suprised no one has taken aim at him.
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Obama's a *bleep* joke. People got way too wrapped up in the whole ''ZOMGZ OBAMA'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!'' and all the bullshit ''HOPE'' and ''CHANGE'' hype messages. In tough times like these, people love having somebody that they can rally around and hope that they can lead them somewhere and since Obama is a great speaker, he took advantage of that opportunity and executed well. I voted for McCain since he's obviously more experienced, had a better chance at trying to fix the economy and not pull all kinds of bullshit while in office (which is what Obama is doing now). And keep in mind that I don't affiliate myself with any political party, I vote for the guy that I think is best for the job.
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I think he looks good on t-shirts. But that's about it.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
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I think he is doing as good as anyone else could have....it could have been worst the other guy could be in office.
I do think he is doing good. I don't see how any one with a little bit of intelligence can say he doesn't love this country...that's just crazy!
I also believe that he was voted in because he is black and is not liked because he is black.
But this is one of the oldest and worst questions on the web.
We all have opinions but subjects like these really weed out those that are not thinking too straight.... :o
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i honestly hate obama , all he did was spit out campain lies about change to get elected , you can see how much better we are as a country now :BangHead:
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Obama is one of the worst presidents. In his campaign he said he'd get bipartisan support, what a joke. He is the most Liberal president since FDR.
He's thrown the country into enormous debt (FAILED stimulus, budget,).
His recovery plan is simply to raise taxes in the name of green energy (Cap and Trade aka Cap and Tax).
He's turning the country into socialism.
Never vote democrat.
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I am not a fan. He inherited a mess to clean up though. And I'm not blaming Bush either because I am actually a Republican. But we were on a downward spiral before Bush even took office. So many factors contributed to this mess we're in right now -- including greedy business people who bankrupted companies and caused the lending/mortgage crisis, etc.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
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I dont like him... but then again, better than Bush
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all im going to say is that i didnt vote for his dumbass
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I dont like him... but then again, better than Bush
I'll give him that, but there's a bunch of people out there who would make a better president than that mentally retarded redneck POS.
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President Obama ius taking this country in the right direction and we must be patient. We are in hard financial and political time and we must trust his leadership for the best. We will recover soon and this is a given. If you don't like his performance, at the end of the 4 yaer term you have the power of the VOTE to replace him. Used wisely. GOD BLESS AMERICA and we will survive against all odds.
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people who dont like him says that he got people to follow his hype and bullshit and made people rally around him.
is that not one of the points of being president? to give people hope even when everything seems like its going to *bleep*? obama has the chance to do something incredible. he prolly wont accomplish it. but he has the chance.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
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so true
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I can honestly say that I voted for him and that I am really disappointed. I thought that he would be the lesser of the 2 evils between he and McCain. I know we have not given him a lot of time to bring the "change" he promised, but it seems to me like things are only changing for the worst for us common folk. Men and women are still getting killled in Iraq. The bailout did nothing for my household or community. The energy bill got my husband laid off. We are no longer going to get tax credits for donations to charities, hence the food banks are bare. So he has done nothing to bring a good change to this country. I still reguard him as a well accomplished man. I respect his courage to run for President against all odds. I think he has a wonderful family. I just wish that he would watch some of his campaign tapes and remember the "Plumber Joe's" of the country.
You guys will probably laugh, but two weeks ago my friend and I went to a storage bin auction, as we do from time to time. We bought 2 bins. One of them was FILLED from floor to ceiling with Obama stuff. This is what we are calling OUR bailout. We have been selling this stuff like hotcakes! Just look at some of the online auction sites and you will know what I mean. ONE autographed book sold for OVER $3k just last week!
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I like him, regardless if he does good or not he can't do worse than bush.
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I cant stand him. He is trying to turn us into a communist counry, being ruled by the government even more than we already are and is trying to take all of our freedoms away from us that our forefathers worked so hard for us to get. I have a mind of my own and am capable of making my own decisions for my family.
But that's just my opinion.
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I like him, regardless if he does good or not he can't do worse than bush.
So true!!!!
People need to give the man a chance to fix the problems we have. The problems we have cannot be fixed overnight.
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The Right seems to be full of a lot of anger these days.
The party was a lot more successful when it was about ideas. Like in '94. Fast forward to 2009 and we hear talk of birth certificates and Moon Landing conspiracies.
I don't understand what happened to the party of Gingrich and Ford ???
Everything is just about anger these days. And vitriol.
I'm a libertarian, and as a matter of policy, I should rightfully be more of a Republican than a Democrat. But I just can't support the GoP as a whole right now.
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I cant stand him. He is trying to turn us into a communist counry, being ruled by the government even more than we already are and is trying to take all of our freedoms away from us that our forefathers worked so hard for us to get. I have a mind of my own and am capable of making my own decisions for my family.
But that's just my opinion.
May I ask what freedoms he has taken so far, or is even close to taking?
You must have despised Cheney and Bush A LOT, if this is your reasoning for not liking a certain Administration. Because they actually DID remove freedoms and basically *bleep* on the Constitution pretty consistently.
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It's alot of you guys out here talking bad about obama, but give the man a change. Bush was the one who mess the place up in the first place and obama's the one who have to clean his *bleep* up. And nothing happens over night. These is our first black president and all I hear is bad talk about the men, he need our support too. In the pass all we ever had was white president and nobody complain about *bleep*. But the mintue a black person hit the sit all hell break lose. I don't think anybody like bush, but nobody said to much about that. But with obama the whole *bleep* world has something to say. Somebody made a comment that they don't want to start a fight but with comments like those you are. Because I was very *bleep* when I read that. But I guess you are just speaking your mind. But somethings are better kept un said. All we ever had was white president and nobody had nothing to say. But my question becomes. Why when it's our first black president everybody has something bad to say about the man. Damn give the man a *bleep* chance, he is cleaning up something a white man left behide. His dirty work. All am saying is just please give me man a chance. *bleep* really don't happen over night. And i voted for him. And if he runs again you best believe he got my full support. Peace
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I love Obama and I feel happy but most of all safe knowing that he is our President. I think he will do a great job!
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honestly, most people just follow the hype in the media and what they hear from other people. People in liberal areas (Bay Area for example) think of obama as a savior. Its because people there are mostly liberal, and influence the ideas of the people in that area. Hardly anyone ever actually looks up any of the stuff they hear. they just accept it and dont question it.
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Anyone but Bush IMO, I like Obama
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
TO CLARIFY... I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM!! I think he is a self centered man!! Name one other president that treated himself like a flippin' celebrity!! He was so publicized because of his Race... no others were before him!!! As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
TO CLARIFY... I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM!! I think he is a self centered man!! Name one other president that treated himself like a flippin' celebrity!! He was so publicized because of his Race... no others were before him!!! As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
Really.....I got a tremendous amount of hate and focus on him being black as reasons you don't like him. Of course he is a celebrity he is the first black president. I see where you get all of your false information. It is people like you that need to really read up on things other then then relying on the conspiracy tabloids. With you it is how can I discredit him instead of trying to give the man a chance. Everything he does you will be looking for a flaw or something you don't like and that's pretty sad.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
TO CLARIFY... I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM!! I think he is a self centered man!! Name one other president that treated himself like a flippin' celebrity!! He was so publicized because of his Race... no others were before him!!! As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
Really.....I got a tremendous amount of hate and focus on him being black as reasons you don't like him. Of course he is a celebrity he is the first black president. I see where you get all of your false information. It is people like you that need to really read up on things other then then relying on the conspiracy tabloids. With you it is how can I discredit him instead of trying to give the man a chance. Everything he does you will be looking for a flaw or something you don't like and that's pretty sad.
So sorry you were offended...
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
TO CLARIFY... I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM!! I think he is a self centered man!! Name one other president that treated himself like a flippin' celebrity!! He was so publicized because of his Race... no others were before him!!! As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
I'd like you to elaborate on these few things:
Examples on how he treats himself as a celebrity.
Why you expect the mainstream media not to cater towards the first black President.
Why this: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
from your own recognized website, Snopes.com, is not valid.
Why the Bush Administration's choice to invade Iraq was Clinton's fault.
Why the Bush Administration's decision to allow the Patriot Act to pass is Clinton's fault.
Why the Bush Administration's condoning of torture is Clinton's fault.
Why the Bush Administration's allowing of silly bills such as No Child Left Behind to pass is Clinton's fault.
I could go on, but I'll pause there. Perhaps you could elaborate on these things for us, because we're evidently not as knowledgeable on the subject as you are...
You don't have to like him, that's your right as a citizen, and everybody knows there was plenty of dislike toward the Bush Administration. That doesn't mean you get to run around spreading blatantly false information and being overly dramatic.
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I voted for Obama and I stand by that vote, but there are things I think he should do differently... For example, he needs to stop playing Israel's best friend and be as harsh on Israel as the Bush administration was on Palestine (denying them aid while giving BILLIONS of dollars to Israel's military yearly).
Also, I don't like the ObamaCare reform. I think it's a step in the right direction but what the United States NEEDS is socialized health care. We don't need to keep the private sector AT ALL. Insurance companies are leeches. We need to pay for our health care out of our taxes so that those who cannot afford it get the same health care as the wealthy.
I think the "birthers" are incredibly stupid and it frightens me that people with such low intelligence to REALLY believe that our government would instate someone as POTUS that doesn't have a valid birth certificate are allowed to vote. They should not be allowed to have an opinion ;) (joke). But if I had my way, conservatives would go through mandatory "reality training" before being allowed to vote - they have such a warped view of the world... living in a fantasy. Scary thought, but I'm glad the Democratic Party is on its way to owning Washington ... maybe we can change some minds!
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I think the "birthers" are incredibly stupid and it frightens me that people with such low intelligence to REALLY believe that our government would instate someone as POTUS that doesn't have a valid birth certificate are allowed to vote. They should not be allowed to have an opinion ;) (joke). But if I had my way, conservatives would go through mandatory "reality training" before being allowed to vote - they have such a warped view of the world... living in a fantasy. Scary thought, but I'm glad the Democratic Party is on its way to owning Washington ... maybe we can change some minds!
I've gotten used to conspiracy theorists to be honest. The whole "birther" thing is no different from "Bush did 9/11" coming from all the 40 year olds in their mother's basements wearing tin foil hats.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
NO HE DOESN'T CARE!! He only wanted to be the first black president! Have you heard the way he puts down our troops?!?!?! No, I don't necessarily understand why we are still at war and I don't like it, but you don't put our men and women down for what they are doing when he HAS NEVER DONE IT!!! He just wants us to look at him and for him to go into history... as if none of the others have! He doesn't give a flying flip about our country.... I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
Wow.....it is opinions like this that make the world a scarey place.
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Where do you get your information from...a blog dedicated to McCain or Bush? Seriously I think there is more to your hate than just Obama himself.
TO CLARIFY... I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM!! I think he is a self centered man!! Name one other president that treated himself like a flippin' celebrity!! He was so publicized because of his Race... no others were before him!!! As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
Really.....I got a tremendous amount of hate and focus on him being black as reasons you don't like him. Of course he is a celebrity he is the first black president. I see where you get all of your false information. It is people like you that need to really read up on things other then then relying on the conspiracy tabloids. With you it is how can I discredit him instead of trying to give the man a chance. Everything he does you will be looking for a flaw or something you don't like and that's pretty sad.
So sorry you were offended...
I'm not the one you offended at all. I just find it extremely funny that most of the people that claim they hate or dislike Obama don't know anything about him and only believe what they hear from other anti-Obama conspiracies.
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Im not sure really Ive heard alot of good and bad but ive seen alot more bad choices on his part so i guess will see what happens. Whether all these "plans" of his actually workout or not...so far i havent seen anything that has helped.
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I don't even believe that legally he should be president.... where is his Birth Certificate??? HE doesn't even know!!! It's the signs of the end of the world!!!
As far as the birth certificate goes, it was all over the news right before his inauguration, and we all know that the media is more for him than a republican. Snopes and other sites even had lots of information about it. He was born in Kenya, not USA. So it's been in question. I'm not saying his worse than Bush... Bush made plenty of mistakes too, but he's not the one that ran the country down... that was a chain of events starting with Clinton I believe.
I do not like that man... but I never said I hated him!
lol
Snopes does have info about it. And says he's from the U.S. As did every single member of the U.S. Congress in a resolution yesterday.
But I'm sure Roy Blunt would be in on the conspiracy too.
You've been pawned by your own people =D
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No one will ever be in agreement when it comes to politics. Not all Republicans agree with other Republicans on every issue, just as not all Democrats agree with other Democrats on every issue. Let's all agree to disagree and call it a night. 8)
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No one will ever be in agreement when it comes to politics. Not all Republicans agree with other Republicans on every issue, just as not all Democrats agree with other Democrats on every issue. Let's all agree to disagree and call it a night. 8)
In that case, we should never discuss any topic in the world! Many people are in agreement when it comes to politics; many people are also in disagreement. The same way it is for every topic ever discussed on a wide scale. You'll never get all ~7 billion people in the world (or even all 300 million in the US) to agree on one thing, that's pretty obvious. It doesn't mean that thing shouldn't be discussed or debated. Things should be questioned, debated, discussed...I don't see the point in having the mental capacity to do such things if we're going to promote the idea of not using such capacities.
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i have to say, i do like President Obama. like any other person, i do not agree with everything he says, but overall i know he was the best man for the job.
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i have to say, i do like President Obama. like any other person, i do not agree with everything he says, but overall i know he was the best man for the job.
you must not know anything about Dr. Ron Paul :sad1: Obama is merely a Puppet they are using to achieve power..
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you must not know anything about Dr. Ron Paul :sad1: Obama is merely a Puppet they are using to achieve power..
By whom do you mean "they"?
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Obama Accomplishments:
Trying to pass a national energy tax.
Funding embryonic stem cell research.
A terrible healthcare plan.
A stimulus full of pork and has failed to save jobs. ( i.e. millions for road signs with fancy logo )
Redoing recovery.gov for 18 million.
Making 100 million look like a lot of money in a budget cut.
Repealing the Bush tax cuts.
Breaking 250k no tax promise.
just off the top of my head.
Democrats blocked reform and were responsible for the collapse of the mortgage industry.
Lesser of the two evils. McCain obviously or Obama if your a Socialist.
The GOP has excellent candidates lined up so far for Senate elections in 2010 so expect a comeback.
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Democrats blocked reform and were responsible for the collapse of the mortgage industry.
No they didn't. The reform the Republicans wanted had nothing to do with security swaps.
This sounds like a list of talking points from Glen Beck.
Facts might be nice.
The GOP has excellent candidates lined up so far for Senate elections in 2010 so expect a comeback.
lol
Expect +1 seat in the senate, and +7 in the house. Gross? +70 dems in congress +18 in senate.
Blunt and Boehner are killing the party.
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I think that that Obama received a country that is in deep need of help. We as a country have need to bail out of this mess me are in. Corporate greed is as I see it one of the main reasons we are where we are today.
I really thought that Obama might make some good changes for our country that really could use it. However since he has been in office all I have noticed is trillions of dollars being spent on pet projects and companies that file for bankrupcy. The bailout was a joke. Obama is a huge dissappointment in my opinion.
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Things should be questioned, debated, discussed...I don't see the point in having the mental capacity to do such things if we're going to promote the idea of not using such capacities.
Unfortunately, most human beings do NOT have the capacity to debate things they feel passionately about without criticizing and insulting others and just being hateful in general. I am on Fusion Cash to make some extra money for my family -- not to be insulted because I didn't vote for Obama.
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I didnt vote for him BUT.. Like my momma always said, Im gonna hide in the bushes and watch. He should put his hand over heart for the pledge. But we never like everything about a person, so we shall see. I dont have health care...so that might be nice.
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I have to give him credit for trying to pass a healthcare plan for all americans. AHe's put more effort and thought than any other president so far. The unemployment issue is something else. he needs to work a little more on that.
do u really like this so called change i mean almost half the world is poor now because of this wonderful change ... whats ur input?
:thumbsup:
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i have to say, i do like President Obama. like any other person, i do not agree with everything he says, but overall i know he was the best man for the job.
you must not know anything about Dr. Ron Paul :sad1: Obama is merely a Puppet they are using to achieve power..
In that case, every President is a puppet. And to a certain degree, I agree with you...the Presidential seat, thankfully, has only so much power and is strongly influenced by numerous lobbying groups. That's not the whole story of course. The President has tons of responsibilities that only he/she can decide upon. Let's have a short list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Powers_and_duties
Things should be questioned, debated, discussed...I don't see the point in having the mental capacity to do such things if we're going to promote the idea of not using such capacities.
Unfortunately, most human beings do NOT have the capacity to debate things they feel passionately about without criticizing and insulting others and just being hateful in general. I am on Fusion Cash to make some extra money for my family -- not to be insulted because I didn't vote for Obama.
Who insulted you?
If you don't want to discuss the topic, I don't see much point in clicking on the thread...knowing full and well that it was going to be about Obama and going to involve political debate. If you're here to make money, that's great; you're not obliged to jump into threads you're not interested in. Some people are capable of discussing this topic calmly and some even happen to enjoy discussing the topic...why shouldn't they? Just because you say nobody will ever be in agreement? Nonsense.
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ugh..no disrespect obama just sucks. i really do believe he won the election because it was more of a racial thing
rather dan anything. i think he is making really bad decisions for the country and we should kick him out he has spent enough
time in office to prove that he is not a "PATRIOTIC" person neither does he care about our AMERICA. i love politics they keep me entertained. :P
but then again..it was the peoples vote who made him win. we might have to suffer big consequences..i never had and never will be his follower
to me he seeks popularity. and wanted to make history..not help the people! and i think u cannot change the fact
that there will always be RICH PEOPLE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR.
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I like him!!! Hes good for the country...its going to take a long time to undo what Bush did to this country!!! Change will happen!!!
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i think he is making really bad decisions for the country and we should kick him out he has spent enough time in office to prove that he is not a "PATRIOTIC" person neither does he care about our AMERICA
People keep saying this, I keep asking for specific examples, and nobody ever replies. Should I bother asking you for specific examples? Six to seven months is enough to prove the President of the United States does not care about the nation? Really?
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Obama Accomplishments:
Trying to pass a national energy tax.
Funding embryonic stem cell research.
A terrible healthcare plan.
A stimulus full of pork and has failed to save jobs. ( i.e. millions for road signs with fancy logo )
Redoing recovery.gov for 18 million.
Making 100 million look like a lot of money in a budget cut.
Repealing the Bush tax cuts.
Breaking 250k no tax promise.
just off the top of my head.
Democrats blocked reform and were responsible for the collapse of the mortgage industry.
Lesser of the two evils. McCain obviously or Obama if your a Socialist.
The GOP has excellent candidates lined up so far for Senate elections in 2010 so expect a comeback.
I dont beleive in voting for the lesser of two evils, that's the only thing keeping us in this mess of crappy leadership, people voting for the douches who screw them. In a way they get what they deserve, Ill still vote for the person who I think is most fit for the job and has our interests at heart. :) and that would have been Ron Paul! If people actually werent just mindless idiots in mass and waiting for the television to tell them who to vote for without even reading a single document on the candidate, we wouldnt be in such a bad mess... well actually with all the voting fraud, computerized voting and biased polls I guess maybe it still wouldnt matter if your vote is never counted.
you must not know anything about Dr. Ron Paul :sad1: Obama is merely a Puppet they are using to achieve power..
By whom do you mean "they"?
those who really are in power, such as corporate "sponsors" and other lobbyist aswell as individuals with more political power than the President(s) could ever have...
People keep saying this, I keep asking for specific examples, and nobody ever replies. Should I bother asking you for specific examples? Six to seven months is enough to prove the President of the United States does not care about the nation? Really?
Marijuana is still illegal and that alone could help end the energy crisis and stimulate the economy to an almost unpredictable amount... the change.org site voted the legalization of marijuana as number 1,2 and 3 most important topic... forcing them to roll it into one category xD haha...yet he still doesnt even really take the topic on unless to parrot the establishment and NOT wanting to legalize... and this is only ONE example of how the voice of the people does not get noticed by him, and he does not do whats best for the country, more whats best for the corporation...
...Also when you are president and have a choice, it doesnt mean its really yours to make with all the lobbying and pressure, this makes the president make DIFFERENT decisions that are not in the best interest of the country but instead the lobbyist. Its a lot like saying "anyone can be president!" Technically its true, but the reality is not the case.. not only do you need a ton of money, but you need to know the right people and get the right lobbyist. No honest man makes it to the president of the USA, that;s now what they are looking for in this job position.
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People keep saying this, I keep asking for specific examples, and nobody ever replies. Should I bother asking you for specific examples? Six to seven months is enough to prove the President of the United States does not care about the nation? Really?
Marijuana is still illegal and that alone could help end the energy crisis and stimulate the economy to an almost unpredictable amount... the change.org site voted the legalization of marijuana as number 1,2 and 3 most important topic... forcing them to roll it into one category xD haha...yet he still doesnt even really take the topic on unless to parrot the establishment and NOT wanting to legalize... and this is only ONE example of how the voice of the people does not get noticed by him, and he does not do whats best for the country, more whats best for the corporation...
...Also when you are president and have a choice, it doesnt mean its really yours to make with all the lobbying and pressure, this makes the president make DIFFERENT decisions that are not in the best interest of the country but instead the lobbyist. Its a lot like saying "anyone can be president!" Technically its true, but the reality is not the case.. not only do you need a ton of money, but you need to know the right people and get the right lobbyist. No honest man makes it to the president of the USA, that;s now what they are looking for in this job position.
Do you think Obama could legitimately come out in a press conference and start a serious proposal of legalizing marijuana without people throwing tomatoes at him (not to be taken literally)? I don't. It's something that should be dealt with in Congress, and there are currently many people in Congress pushing for legalization. Unfortunately you have pharmacy companies lobbying constantly with many corrupt politicians in their pockets. It's not something Obama can even legitimately touch without having people go crazy. That issue is one more cut out for Congress; he would get crucified by the propaganda-spreading idiots if he even opened his mouth about it and started seriously campaigning for it.
Anyway, I really don't know how that example makes him "unpatriotic" and means he "doesn't care about the nation."
You did the same thing as a number of other people. You said "he does not do what's best for the country." What doesn't he do, that he could, as President, legitimately take on? Legalizing marijuana was dealt with, what other specific examples are there.
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so youre basically saying Obama is not doing whats right because people will go crazy? Who are these people? haha. the corporations thats who... the majority of the people would support it, and those who didnt, would just *bleep* about it like everyone else.. the point is, Does Obama do whats best for the people? or does he do whats best for his corporate image and financial backers? He even spoke in support for legalization years ago... now he actually says he WOULDNT support it, so he is not just leaving it to Congress, he is saying loud and clear "I do not support it" which is much worse... If Congress is too corrupt, this is also something Obama should deal with, should be asking the question... why isnt Congress listenig to the people they represent? why not even a vote? It;s obvious, Obama is supporting the agenda that has been here for decades, and not legalizing Marijuana is a big part of it... if he were to work with a campain group and the media and they were to use the propaganda machine to promote the use of hemp as fuel, clothing, food, packaging, medicine etc. They could easily sell it to the mass public who basically buys anything the media tells them or their favorite television star supports. (couple PSA's?). Marijuana was not dealt with haha, but also reducing taxes, increasing minimum wages, and here are some big ones,... restoring the constitution and repealing the patriot act and military commissions report... honestly if you want to know, just go to any of the big issues that he promises to deal with and see how they are being fixed... I dont know about you but I know more people getting pay cuts and losing benefits, or even their jobs or homes, than I see getting new jobs... Basically all we have is a great speaker who tries to say what everyone wants to hear without saying or doing anything substantial... the entire economy needs a revamp, the fed needs to be audited to get clean books etc. So many things I could go on for days..
The main thing is the mass population is herded like sheep not to abuse the analogy which is used all the time, and whatever the government and media machine want to sell the public, for the most part they will go along with... or ignore and just *bleep* about it as they always do with the government.. they will do what they want... start a war in IRAQ when nobody wants it? mass marketting and selling of a war goes on and they just do it... still majority dont want the war, but it takes place and the only thing the government worries about is some bad polls for the president and a couple small protests they are sure to report in a very bad light... The same would go if they wanted to sell Marijuana as a new fuel, economy booster, and actually problem solver of ENDLESS things... but they wont, because who owns them... Obama is just another employee and nothing more, he does as he is told, and yes he can make some decisions, but those will be guided by his lobbyists, the consequences of who he is effecting who may effect him in turn, and then maybe as a final after thought, what is best for the average citizen? haha but our welfare has very little impact on his decision, its mostly "what does this look like to the people? maybe we can change the vocabulary and turn a bailout into a stimulous! that sounds better... and torture is bad, so lets keep up the "pressure"" haha its all a political game of lying and screwing over the masses so the few can benefit and become more powerful in all areas including economically.
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I love President Obama. I think he's doing the best under the circumstances.
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Our country is a mess because of decisions made long before Obama ran for President. Is it Obama's fault that Wall Street made so many risky investments? Last I heard, Obama wasn't the CEO of Goldman Sachs or AIG. Did Obama cause the housing crisis? It was George Bush and his creatures who encouraged Americans to pay for homes they couldn't afford with subprime mortgages. Alphonso Jackson, his Assistant Secretary of HUD, traveled the country giving speeches about how subprime mortgages were a wonderful vehicle to get people who previously couldn't afford to be homeowners. My husband heard one of those speeches 7 or 8 years ago and couldn't believe how ridiculous and dangerous this policy was. And now here we are, it's August, 2009 and many of the same irresponsible fools who took Mr. Jackson's advice are whining about "the Obama recession."
Finally, we have a president who has the intelligence, guts, and good moral character to get this country back on track to its former glory, and all these big babies can do is pick at him because, in their child-like lizard brains, he should have magically "fixed" within his first 100 days of office all the problems THEY helped to cause . Grow the f*** up!!!!!!!
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He said he'd pull troops out of Iraq so they stop dying, AND THEN HE PUTS THEM IN AFGANISTAN WHERE THERE WERE MORE DEATHS THAN IN IRAQ! He has NO experience whatsoever in running this country, and he's just out for fame and fortune. In my opinion, his "Change" is messing up the economy, killing people, and throwing our money in the garbage. I don't want to start a fight, but that's EXACTLY what he did, it's facts, not opinions, so you wanna fight the facts, go to the press.
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He said he'd pull troops out of Iraq so they stop dying, AND THEN HE PUTS THEM IN AFGANISTAN WHERE THERE WERE MORE DEATHS THAN IN IRAQ! He has NO experience whatsoever in running this country, and he's just out for fame and fortune. In my opinion, his "Change" is messing up the economy, killing people, and throwing our money in the garbage. I don't want to start a fight, but that's EXACTLY what he did, it's facts, not opinions, so you wanna fight the facts, go to the press.
The difference being the war located in Afghanistan is actually a legitimate war, one we didn't start. It is a legitimate defense of our nation. The war in Iraq was an illegitimate war based on false intelligence, ignorance, and just plain stupid decision making. There were more deaths in Afghanistan because the Bush Administration did all but completely ignore the Afghanistan front and created a massive imbalance of troop numbers, allowing the Taliban to continue gaining strength in Afghanistan while we're trying to set up ineffective governments in Iraq.
On the next note, you truly believe Obama single-handedly, in six months, destroyed the economy and brought it to its knees? You truly believe that the process of our economy falling and the bubble bursting started in February? Give me a break. That's not even close to a fact and you know it. That's nothing but an opinion, and frankly a blatantly false one, as any economist will tell you.
He killed people? Where? When? How? By actually going to the country where the foundation of the group that carried 9/11 out is located, rather than keeping them in Iraq to play political games?
Throwing money in the garbage? Time will tell.
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haha well seeing Obama fix Bush's mistakes has yet to be seen...Patriot Act still in full force, Bailouts still occurring.. Everything he says sounds good on paper, but its blind faith to believe its allgood with this president finally after all these years of bad president(s), until we see some real "change" then there is nothing but empty promises like everyone before him. As for the 100 days, that was Obama's idea to track the first 100 days wasnt it? There are some things like repealing the patriot act which could have been done immediately. Didnt he do that for the stem research? The fact remains, Obama can easily prove he wants change by following through with some of his ideas before he was elected, like withdrawing troops,legalizing marijuana etc. once the race started legalization dropped off the list and then slowly as elected and gaining poularity his stance on withdrawing troops got weaker and weaker until he sent MORE into afghanistan haha. Really I dont see a whole lot separating him from Bush or clinton... sure he has some better pros' but also cons like those before him. Bush had his pros and cons, mostly all cons...Obama has his pros and cons, mostly all cons. This is of course opinion, but I am basing my notion of "cons" on the "negative effects everyday Americans will face by policy". Socialism is what Obama is into mostly, and thats what some people like, but I personally think socialism is bad, and forcing BAD healthcare on people is not exactly a good thing... specially considering the number of people who die each year by hospital and doctor "mistakes" and thats not including overdoes/prescription problems.
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haha well seeing Obama fix Bush's mistakes has yet to be seen...Patriot Act still in full force, Bailouts still occurring.. Everything he says sounds good on paper, but its blind faith to believe its allgood with this president finally after all these years of bad president(s), until we see some real "change" then there is nothing but empty promises like everyone before him. As for the 100 days, that was Obama's idea to track the first 100 days wasnt it? There are some things like repealing the patriot act which could have been done immediately. Didnt he do that for the stem research? The fact remains, Obama can easily prove he wants change by following through with some of his ideas before he was elected, like withdrawing troops,legalizing marijuana etc. once the race started legalization dropped off the list and then slowly as elected and gaining poularity his stance on withdrawing troops got weaker and weaker until he sent MORE into afghanistan haha. Really I dont see a whole lot separating him from Bush or clinton... sure he has some better pros' but also cons like those before him. Bush had his pros and cons, mostly all cons...Obama has his pros and cons, mostly all cons. This is of course opinion, but I am basing my notion of "cons" on the "negative effects everyday Americans will face by policy". Socialism is what Obama is into mostly, and thats what some people like, but I personally think socialism is bad, and forcing BAD healthcare on people is not exactly a good thing... specially considering the number of people who die each year by hospital and doctor "mistakes" and thats not including overdoes/prescription problems.
Well said!! :thumbsup:
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I don't like Obama because he's black. There. I think that's what most people that don't like him are wanting to say.
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I don't like Obama because he's black. There. I think that's what most people that don't like him are wanting to say.
You're probably incorrect. Perhaps speaking for yourself is the best option.
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I love President Obama, i voted for him and stand by my vote. I am middle class and not afraid to admit that. With former President Bush in office we were slowly starting to become the upper class and poverty and doing away with middle class. He got the United States in such a hole that it was going to take a great man to make things right. Which is the reason McCain and his Vice President Palin did not make the cut. President Obama has had such a mess to pick up that it is going to take time. The recession is over and the economy is slowly starting to recover. Also I wish people would stop he is not a U.S citizen give me a break. The birth certificate has been shown, No it is not "made up" so get over it.
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I chose not to vote this year because I was unable to pick which side to vote on. I am a Democrat, but some of the things that Obama agreed with, I did not. Same goes for McCain. I guess there is different ways we could all look at it. Every president has their flaws--most say they will do something, but then do not, thats how it goes with every election. For Example, from an oppositional viewpoint, if we were to pull all the troops out of Iraq, when the country is not even ready to stand for itself yet, that would cause chaos, panic and pandemonium, and would potentially put the US more at risk for another terrorist attack. Now add to that the fact that war, yes, WAR changes a person's mind mentally. All of these troops would need to be counciled because they would more than likely suffer from PTSD, not to mention how many would have to deal with how they killed someone. And How do I know this? Because I served in the Army National Guard as a 31 Bravo and served a 6 month deployment overseas. I was recently medically discharged because mentally, I'm incapable of doing my job. Add to that where would these Vets end up going? I can not tell you how many Vets I've seen on the streets begging for money, and living in homeless shelters, and the government refuses to help them after they have served and defended their country. McCain was for keeping all the illegal immigrants here in the US, and in some ways, I agree, but in most ways I don't agree with this. Illegal immigrants get assistance without having to "proove" why they need it, they get free health care, and get to use all the benefits of getting a job, and us American's unfortunately get the backhand of this. The other day, there was a guy hiring and I asked him if he would hire me and his answer was no, I asked why, and he pointed to the Mexicans and said "because I can get 3 of them for the price I'd pay you for" and to me, as an American who is struggling, something like that is not tolerable. I applied for Cash Assistance, Food Stamps and Medicaid because I can't afford insurance, I can barely pay my rent, as I just gave birth last month to my daughter and my hubby got his hours cut, and the DCF office told us we didn't qualify because apparently $250 a month is enough to live off of, but you bet your bottom dollar that if we were any other race, or an illegal immigrant we would qualify.
Now as to my opinion for Barack Obama, I agree with some of his points as stated above, but also disagree with some. Obama wants to make health care universal, and accessible for all Americans. While I think that every American should get access to health care and shouldn't be refused to be seen if they have pre-existing health conditions, or can't afford health insurance, I disagree firmly with the idea of making health care universal, and the reason why is because A. that would take jobs out for any EMT because they would need to cut the funding for ambulances to pay for everyone having health care. B. higher taxes, Canadians have to pay a large amount of taxes per year to pay for the health care they get, if I can barely afford to live now, why would I want higher taxes? C. Medicaid/Medicare cut, I disagree with this, because these are programs through the Government that give people on SSI/SSDI and low income health insurance. They should not touch an existing health plan for anyone, instead Obama should re-evaluate health insurance companies and why they decline individuals who are obese, or have pre-existing conditions and then rule them out for a plan such as medicare and medicaid. Obama also has been trying to pick the economy back up, and what ever he is doing is working slowly but surly, and the proof I have here is the fact that there are more jobs becoming available to individuals, and even though the economy is still faltering and people are still loosing jobs, they still have the chance to get another. The economy has always been a problem on an up and down pattern like a roller coaster, and Obama may never be able to 100% fix this, but he is doing a good job at what he can do.
These are some of my viewpoints...
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The recession is over and the economy is slowly starting to recover
I would respond to the rest, but I cant stop laughing after that comment :P The recession over? From what I see companies are still having layoffs, and bailouts are still only benefitting the few large companies...
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Well if you think about it it's Congress that passes all of the laws and can overrule the president so it's not really Obama.
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I really don't think Obama cares about the venom being spewed out here. He is doing a great job (just my opinion). :thumbsup:
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Well if you think about it it's Congress that passes all of the laws and can overrule the president so it's not really Obama.
It's not an easy task to override a veto. It requires 2/3 of both Congress and the House.
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i heard he wants to ban constitutional right to bear arms? thats what i've been hearing, is that right?? :bunny:
kinda not good!
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At the moment I don't think Obama is doing his best. He wants to take one of my rights away. I home school my children through a charter school, other families do it on their own. The UN is pushing a treaty called the rights of the child, which in essence gives our government the right to raise my child the way they see fit and I don't have a choice. My children's wishes would be over what I know would be best for them. Not that I disregard what my children want and or need in any way. But I want the right to say no if I need to in their best interest or even the interest of our family as a whole.
And while in the starting of the 6 month of business for Obama, I realize he inherited problems I didn't expect miracles to happen. And it's seriously silly to think that any politician is honest, including Obama.
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
Thanks. I just don't get how he thinks signing that treaty will make our country any better. We need to work together as a group without a bunch of other countries telling us what we need to do.
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true that! people don't have much say in the decisions the government takes, a treaty will most likely not make anything better for the country, you are right we need to work together as a group, and we should have a say as citizens of this country as to what will need change, what is best for the kids, we need to take charge, and stop letting one man make all the decisions.. obama; it doesn't benefit anybody.
much respect to zoocrewmom
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
I agree.
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It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?
It may not be acceptable to society, but it certainly shouldn't be against the law.
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only thing I can say is "this is not a free country as it used to be"
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It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?
It may not be acceptable to society, but it certainly shouldn't be against the law.
Of course it shouldn't be tolerated by society or by the court of law.
What you're saying is that a child has absolutely no rights in a parent-child relationship, excluding physical abuse (hopefully you disagree with child abuse)? You don't think a child being named Heinrich Himmler is going to hurt him in the future, when he goes to school, tries to make friends, tries to get a job, tries to have his name called in roll the first week of school, tries to do anything besides sit in his house all day? You don't think putting a child through that for 18 years until they can legally change their name -- and even then the background will always be there and the scars have been set, as he's guaranteed to get picked on in school -- is a legitimate right of a parent?
In a case like this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479904,00.html
where you have three kids named Adolf Hitler Campbell, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell (yes, her middle name is freakin Aryan Nation) and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell -- you really don't think the parents are at fault legally, never mind the social repercussions? You don't think this is a form of abuse in any shape or fashion and the kids should just be left in the house as if they're not being effected?
Naming any child names of those nature basically guarantees them a life as an outsider, it is psychological abuse. You're purposely cutting them off from the rest of society before they've even gotten a chance to learn how to walk. How is that a legitimate right of a parent?
On a random side note, are you pro-life or pro-choice?
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only thing I can say is "this is not a free country as it used to be"
Really, please explain. When was this country free (hint* it wasn't)?
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Obama is trying his best, do not forget, he had to cleanup the other politicians mess they created, it takes time.
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Obama is trying his best, do not forget, he had to cleanup the other politicians mess they created, it takes time.
I don't think people disagree with the idea that he's cleaning up for years of crap (not just Bush Jr.); I think people disagree on the way he's attempting to do it.
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It seems as if no one likes what Obama... :D Why is he President?
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only thing I can say is "this is not a free country as it used to be"
Really, please explain. When was this country free (hint* it wasn't)?
In defense of our County... it has been "free" a long time. We have the freedom to do so many things that other countries do not. Our children have the choice of schools and we have our choice of religion and get this guys.... we have the freedom to say what we want on sites like this because our country is Free!! So many don't have the luxury we do... times are tough, but that doesn't mean we are not a free country!! Where on earth do you get the idea that it ISN'T free??
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There's still 3 1/2 years left regardless. He said it will take time to fix the nation, and when he said that he also said it would take at least 1 term, if not more. I am sorry but Obama did not make this country poor, Bush did. I was laid off from my job 2 weeks after Obama was sworn in. The economy didnt suddenly tank in 14 days to the point where my company decided to downsize my position - that was a long drawn out plan from the end of the Bush reign.
Hate Obama if you want, it doesnt bother me, but dont put the blame on him when he is trying to fix the nation. He was the unfortunate elect to a nation on the decline - McCain would be in the same position right now too, just with different programs and ways of attempting to fix the horrible mess the world is in.
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.
Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.
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There's still 3 1/2 years left regardless. He said it will take time to fix the nation, and when he said that he also said it would take at least 1 term, if not more. I am sorry but Obama did not make this country poor, Bush did. I was laid off from my job 2 weeks after Obama was sworn in. The economy didnt suddenly tank in 14 days to the point where my company decided to downsize my position - that was a long drawn out plan from the end of the Bush reign.
Hate Obama if you want, it doesnt bother me, but dont put the blame on him when he is trying to fix the nation. He was the unfortunate elect to a nation on the decline - McCain would be in the same position right now too, just with different programs and ways of attempting to fix the horrible mess the world is in.
I'm sorry, but one man cannot ruin (or in Obama's case, Fix) any country on their own. Bush is not the sole destroyer of our economy... it was a down slide starting with Lord knows where and unless someone fixes it right away, it's going to continue for sometime. I'm not putting blame on Clinton or Bush, or Bush Sr. for that matter... but it started long before... Bush may have done a poor job too, but he is not responsible for it all!!
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.
When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble. My example was a simple one, there are many more.
Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was? Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school? What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up? Do you think people will look past this kids name? When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem? The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point). It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.
I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot. I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you. All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them. Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.
Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.
I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.
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I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.
I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family. >:(
I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners. :BangHead:
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.
When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble. My example was a simple one, there are many more.
Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was? Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school? What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up? Do you think people will look past this kids name? When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem? The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point). It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.
I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot. I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you. All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them. Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.
Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.
I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.
You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.
When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble. My example was a simple one, there are many more.
Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was? Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school? What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up? Do you think people will look past this kids name? When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem? The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point). It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.
I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot. I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you. All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them. Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.
Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.
I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.
You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.
Let me make it clear I don't know much about the treaty, but what you've said so far about it (assuming what you've said is correct), I don't support it and I hardly support anything the UN carries out.
May I ask what your name is? If you're not comfortable with giving it, is your name also the name of someone very responsible for the slaughtering of over six million Jews, gypsies, and handicapped people? Himmler was. It is unjustifiable to name a child after someone with that history. It is guaranteed to cause problems.
I'm not proposing the government is to raise your children, I'm saying a child has rights in the parent-child relationship just as the parent does. If the government (legal system) isn't going to uphold that child's rights, and the parent's aren't going to, who is?
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I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.
I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family. >:(
I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners. :BangHead:
So basically since Obama became President you think customer service has gotten rude and unhelpful?
Well.... ::)
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only thing I can say is "this is not a free country as it used to be"
Really, please explain. When was this country free (hint* it wasn't)?
In defense of our County... it has been "free" a long time. We have the freedom to do so many things that other countries do not. Our children have the choice of schools and we have our choice of religion and get this guys.... we have the freedom to say what we want on sites like this because our country is Free!! So many don't have the luxury we do... times are tough, but that doesn't mean we are not a free country!! Where on earth do you get the idea that it ISN'T free??
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It is not free from the perspective of the overall principle the country was founded on: government of the people, by the people, for the people.
Such an idea is a valiant one. Unfortunately it never happened.
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well i think hes alrite, so far he hasnt done anything really big, i will love him if he made an immigration reform but dats my opinion. He is cool cuz its a change from Bush :thumbsup:
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I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.
I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family. >:(
I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners. :BangHead:
Wow do some of you people think before you post. This is way too funny.
It seems certain people will blame Obama for anything they don't like or see....no matter how silly it seems.
I'm pretty sure customer service hasn't changed since Obama took office.
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I don't like him, since he got elected I lost my job and got no rebate like last year, and one was even promised.
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zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.
This logic scares me. It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people? A line is to be drawn, for good reason. If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.
I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...
What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.
When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble. My example was a simple one, there are many more.
Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was? Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school? What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up? Do you think people will look past this kids name? When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem? The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point). It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.
I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot. I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you. All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them. Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.
Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.
I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.
You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.
Let me make it clear I don't know much about the treaty, but what you've said so far about it (assuming what you've said is correct), I don't support it and I hardly support anything the UN carries out.
May I ask what your name is? If you're not comfortable with giving it, is your name also the name of someone very responsible for the slaughtering of over six million Jews, gypsies, and handicapped people? Himmler was. It is unjustifiable to name a child after someone with that history. It is guaranteed to cause problems.
I'm not proposing the government is to raise your children, I'm saying a child has rights in the parent-child relationship just as the parent does. If the government (legal system) isn't going to uphold that child's rights, and the parent's aren't going to, who is?
No offense, but I don't tell anyone my name on the internet. I'm very private on the internet, I think it's the safe way to go just personally. My name has nothing to do with slaughtering Jews, but why is that such a big thing for you? What if it was a family name and to that family it was an honor being named after their grandfather that was in noway connected to the other Himmler? There are probably a bunch of kids out there that have similar names to well know people, terrorists or otherwise. Should we ban certain names to make other people feel safer or comfortable? There are laws in place at the moment that do protect our children. Not that they are the best but they are there. Here's a link, you may have a different impression than I do, and that's alright it's what makes the world go round. Btw, this is not a referral link of any kind in case anyone wants to know. http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8} I guess what it boils down for me is I'm not very politically correct.
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It seems as if no one likes what Obama... :D Why is he President?
Correct!
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There's still 3 1/2 years left regardless. He said it will take time to fix the nation, and when he said that he also said it would take at least 1 term, if not more. I am sorry but Obama did not make this country poor, Bush did. I was laid off from my job 2 weeks after Obama was sworn in. The economy didnt suddenly tank in 14 days to the point where my company decided to downsize my position - that was a long drawn out plan from the end of the Bush reign.
Hate Obama if you want, it doesnt bother me, but dont put the blame on him when he is trying to fix the nation. He was the unfortunate elect to a nation on the decline - McCain would be in the same position right now too, just with different programs and ways of attempting to fix the horrible mess the world is in.
You are right, Bush made a mess of everything now Obama's getting blamed, & he is doing his best, like he said it will take time, but he has his own strategies to get things together, let him prove himself, I believe he's done well so far. Bush had all these years creating a mess, it going to take more then a half of a year to fix everything.
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I like Obama. People are wanting too much too soon from him.
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you are my new fav person its hard to find people who dislike obama, i loath him with everything in by body.
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Its not that i like or dislike him, but he is the president now, and we gotta accept it and do what we can. Hopefully hell be able to pull things through with out screwing up the world ;D
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I love him.
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:)
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He's AWWWRRIIGHHTTT.
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Black people love Obama. Oh, and just so you guys don't think i'm rascist... I voted for McCain based on AGE, not color. :)
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I like a President who will really do his responsibility as a pres. i dont look by color or whatever....
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I don't trust him at all, but then that is the nature of politics. I am scared he will take the country in some bad directions...he certainly isnt delivering on all of his promises... i cant blame him entirely though...this country has been on the decline for some time... there are so many things that need "fixed", but change is VERY difficult...
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Boy did I have to reply on this one.
To be honest, I didnt vote. I didnt think any of them was good for the country, especially Obama.
Not because he is black, but his beliefs, and the fact that he basically has no leadership skills. I mean out of all the running for Presidents, an 11yr old would have made a better president than any of them!
I can not see why we have not impeached him. All he is doing is ruining this country. I am sorry but Bush was not even this bad, and I hated him! Loved Bush at the begining, but comeon, with the war going on he lost alot of respect.
I am just waiting on the day when Obama says that we will all worship Allah. I am just waiting on it. I mean comon, he bows down to the Islamic president. What kind of president is this that we have? Once the act starts to impeach him I will be right along beside everyone doing it.
Personal opinion, not trying to start anything, but we still have the right of freedom of speech, until Obama takes that as well.
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And for those of you who DONT LIKE OBAMA: Here is some great sayings for you to express your mind about him:
What does Obama and Osama have in common? The both have friends that bombed the pentagon!
Ill keep my guns and money, you keep the CHANGE!
Buck Ofama!
Obama-Change we cant afford!!!
TEA-Taxed Enough Already!!
Stop the Obama-Nation of America! (my fav)
If Obama is the awnser, then it must have been a stupid question.
This is only intended for laughing purposes, not to offend anyone. Enjoy, for the ones that are against Obama!
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Boy did I have to reply on this one.
To be honest, I didnt vote. I didnt think any of them was good for the country, especially Obama.
Not because he is black, but his beliefs, and the fact that he basically has no leadership skills. I mean out of all the running for Presidents, an 11yr old would have made a better president than any of them!
I can not see why we have not impeached him. All he is doing is ruining this country. I am sorry but Bush was not even this bad, and I hated him! Loved Bush at the begining, but comeon, with the war going on he lost alot of respect.
I am just waiting on the day when Obama says that we will all worship Allah. I am just waiting on it. I mean comon, he bows down to the Islamic president. What kind of president is this that we have? Once the act starts to impeach him I will be right along beside everyone doing it.
Personal opinion, not trying to start anything, but we still have the right of freedom of speech, until Obama takes that as well.
Always enjoy ignorant people who voluntarily CHOSE not to vote having an opinion on the person who was elected.
"Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American." -- MLK
If you want to have a strong opinion on a subject, and you want that opinion to be taken seriously, then take your responsibilities as a US citizen and act with them. One of those is voting. If you don't want to vote, at least do research before opening your mouth, else you look like a blabbering fool. I think most people would prefer you keep quiet, however, if you're not even going to take 15 minutes out of your day to go vote for the people who are doing all these destructive things in your eyes -.-
Let's see...
Obama is not Muslim. If you have any legitimate source that proves differently, please do share it with us. Please don't share tin foil hat-worthy sources, thanks.
There is no "President of Islam." That's probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a very long time. Islam is a religion, not a country. Do you think before you say anything? There are world leaders who happen to be Muslims. If that's what you mean, my apologies, and please be more specific about who you're talking about and how Obama "bows down" to this man.
This country will never bow down to one god or any number of gods.
Oh and please, just for fun, enlighten us on what laws he has broken that warrant impeachment. Do you even know what impeachment means? Can you define it without looking it up on Google? Is condoning torture worthy of impeachment? How about illegal wiretapping? I don't know, is an unconstitutional war worthy of impeachment?
Your attempt to hide behind the "freedom of speech" curtain is useless. It's fairly obvious you're ignorant of most of the things you tried to point out in your post; hopefully you're trying to show blatant stupidity, for the sake of the world. Having freedom of speech doesn't mean you walk around spouting random crap like it's legitimate information. With freedom comes responsibility; clearly not something you care about.
Do research. Go vote. Then give opinions and scream "freedom of speech." Non-voters are probably the most annoying group of people in the field of political discussion. Liberals, conservatives...fair fight. Non-voters with loud mouths, simply frustrating. Why bother? You didn't have a strong enough opinion to get out of your computer chair to go vote, but...here you are!
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I like Obama. People are wanting too much too soon from him.
Obama is rying his best & I believe he will succeed, I have seen the change, & it will get better.
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I personally am afraid of all the unknowns surrounding our President. If in fact, there is a legitimate birth certificate proving him to be a US citizen why whould he not just produce the document and be done with the rumors? Why must he continue to apologize for our behavior to the world? To me the apology makes us seem weak as a country. With alot of anti American sentiment in the world, why would our leader promote the attitude with apologies? Why is it he does not attempt to explain his fund raising efforts and the millions that came to him, via the internet from internation sources? Was he elected "globally"?
His wanting to have the "rich" pay for everthing he wants to GIVE to the poor, to me is unsettling. Why do they have to pay for people who choose to do nothing to help themselves? And then there are the illegal immigrants......so the man scares me!
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Half the world is not poor-- 90% is poor. He is better than the past admin and ATLEAST he tried to pull the country out of its death spiral.
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I personally am afraid of all the unknowns surrounding our President. If in fact, there is a legitimate birth certificate proving him to be a US citizen why whould he not just produce the document and be done with the rumors?
You could do a 45 second Google search and find the image of his birth certificate from Hawaii that has been available on the Internet to ALL people who wish to see it for quite some time. But I guess since people are too lazy to do that, here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Why must he continue to apologize for our behavior to the world? To me the apology makes us seem weak as a country. With alot of anti American sentiment in the world, why would our leader promote the attitude with apologies?
As opposed to what? Swinging the proverbial military sword around in their face? Being aggressors? Being incredibly nationalistic to the point that it negatively effects people?
Anti-American sentiment does not come from us apologizing for our negative actions (and please don't try to put the idea across that our actions haven't had adverse effects in the past). It comes from quite the opposite. It comes from us setting up military bases in regions that we're not exactly that wanted. It comes from us policing the world, not even sitting down at the table with people and talking to other world leaders. It comes from our huge ego -- that we're so much better than other nations that we have a free ride and don't even have to think about apologizing for some of the negatives in this world that we ARE at least partly responsible for.
"A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." - FD
Why is it he does not attempt to explain his fund raising efforts and the millions that came to him, via the internet from internation sources? Was he elected "globally"?
What is there to explain? Please show me these international sources. And no, he was elected by the Electoral College of the United States...not global.
His wanting to have the "rich" pay for everthing he wants to GIVE to the poor, to me is unsettling. Why do they have to pay for people who choose to do nothing to help themselves?
Might I ask where he has said, at any point, that taxes on everyone except the rich will be dropped and rich people will foot every single bill? The rich should pay more, based on an economic, social, and moral perspective.
And then there are the illegal immigrants......so the man scares me!
Alright? There has been a massive influx of illegal immigrants into this country for quite some time. Hell, the country was founded on a massive influx of illegal immigration, so to speak. I'm hoping you know it didn't start in the last 6 months =/
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I don't know enough about the guy to form an opinion on him. Apart from his charisma and intelligence, I don't know anything about how he's running the country. And I really don't care. He's getting so much flack from his detractors (jaded people complaining about how the economy isn't fixed yet) that I don't even care to keep up with what's going on. I can only hope and pray that things bounce back within the next couple years.
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Obama is a /fail :sad1:
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I always get a kick out of all the dumb naive fox-news-addicted rednecks constantly bashing him on why everything isn't fixed yet. It's really sad how much BS they spurt out to other people. Spoiled assholes need to be patient. Many of the problems we're dealing with are going to take YEARS to fix.
I recently listened to him on cspan doing a questionaire with people in Ohio and was surprised when he pretty much told the exact story I'm in with healthcare (no health insurance + hurt yourself = bills are retardedly expensive) which just kind of made me feel good knowing he seems to see the problems in everyone elses light. He is a charismatic man-- it really impresses me how well-worded he puts things and he's not reading from a script most of the time. But, like many, I have yet to see any major changes in our society as of yet. I'll be patient and hope for the best I guess.
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i don't know may he will be good president and maybe not never know
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I do agree that many Americans are expecting "CHANGE" to come overnight. That is just rediculous to think. Many are laying blame on Obama for not running to our aid the second he stepped into office. Well, if you REALLY pay attention, he has been TRYING. Obama did not create this mess, it began MANY years ago with Bush 1 and probably even before that but nobody really noticed the subtle changes. Clinton tried his best to fix the mess and did a pretty god job, but along comes Bush 2 to mess with everything again. I know people bashed Bush 2 but NOTHING compared to the nasty comments I have heard about Obama.
I agree that the bailout was nonsense and helped only banks and large corporations and did nothing for us common folk. I agree that AIG should not have been allowed to get MORE money time and time again after it was found that they were misusing the funds for company outings and bonuses. I agree Obama should keep his nose in our country's problems instead of trying to feed Africa. I agree that Obama should have postponed travel to places like Mexico when our country is suffering more now than in many years. I agree that he should not buy 16 new helicopters for the White House and the staff while the country is broke and starving. I agree that the "Cash for Clunkers" should have not been done right away, because it is taking valuable funds from other much needed programs that give children and the elderly the care they need. I agree that he has made a lot of promises that probably cannot become a reality in 4 years....or even 8 years for that matter.
HOWEVER, we must consider that just because he is President does NOT give him full power. The proposals must also be approved by the House, They have the power to veto any law or bill Obama brings before them. So before we start pointing fingers and placing blame on a single person, let's start writing the senators, congress people, governors, etc. of our states. They hold a lot more power than you may think. If they get flooded with letters from us common folk expressing our dissatisfaction,then maybe they will grow the cahonies to do something to help us for a change! I doubt that any of the people who can do anything about it are here in the FC forum, so complaining here does no good.
Give Obama a chance! We gave Bush eight years to put this country in termoil for petes sake! Why can we not give Obama more than eight minutes! Do you really thing McCain and Palin would be doing any better?? Come on! When you first began your career, were you able to do everything perfectly the second you walked through your office door? I know I couldn't!
It seems to me that a lot of people expected Obama to get a lot done in a short amount of time because of his darker complexion. To me that should play no role in his abilities, or lack thereof, to perform the Presidential duties. He is a man, with a brain, and feelings just like all of us. He is a brilliant man as a matter of fact and a courageous man as well. I am sure he knew even before running for office what was in store for him and he was willing to face those issues head-on to TRY to make a better life for all Americans. Does skin color really matter when it comes to politics?? Have we really become such a simple minded society to think so? OPEN your ears and CLOSE your mouths for a second and you may notice that the man is trying his best, but can only do so much. He can only control things that are in his power, and it is interesting to see how little power he really has. He is not perfect and he will make mistakes, but my focus is on getting my family and friends the help they really need in this time of crisis. I want to make sure there is food on my table and a roof over my head. Only I have the power to control that. I am certainly not going to sit back and wait for the government to supply those necessities for me. We must all come together and fight for ourselves. If you are out of work, do like my husband and I did when we lost our jobs, beat the pavement until you find something. If you see someone in need, help them the best you can.
I am certain this will cause a frenzy, but look at how the welfare system has been used and abused. I get so mad when I am in the line at the supermarket and a woman in front of me is sporting Gucci, Prada, and Louis Vatton from head to toe, but cannot afford food for her household. I am outraged that people have become lifetime recipients of welfare just because they are continuing to have children they cannot afford to feed. I am outraged that thousands, if not millions, of households receiving welfare CAN get a job, but choose not to because collecting a monthly check for nothing is so much easier. I am angry because I see children HOMELESS and cannot get assistance because resources are being used up on "lifers" of the welfare system! Look at how the social security funds have been dwindled to nothing. The elderly worked for many years paying in to the fund in hopes of collecting a portion of that back when they were able to retire, only to find out that people with NO disablilites stole that money away. Now you and I that are working are paying for the elderly's social security checks. Where does that leave us when we retire?? Look at the TRILLIONS of dollars of debt our country has gotten into. NONE of this started with the Obama administration.
Instead of placing blame where it is not due, place blame where it is due. If you see a man collecting disability, but he is able to cut down trees and chop up the wood REPORT him! If you see that lady in the supermarket decked out in designer clothes and jewelry, follow her to her expensive car, write down her license plate, and REPORT her! If you see someone capable of working, but sits on their duff making babies to collect a monthly check REPORT them! If you see someone living in a fancy house, driving a fancy car, and spending money like it's water, yet their child receives Medicade and/or food stamps REPORT them! One person cannnot stop this chaos alone. If you want something done YOU aid in making certain that it gets done! If we all work WITH Obama instead of against him, maybe CHANGE WILL COME!
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Eh, in my honest opinion, obama didn't do everything he SAID he was going to do, at least not yet. we'll see.
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i voted for obama and i like him, which has basically gotten me disowned by my predominately republican family. he inherited a mess, and it is unrealistic to think that he's going to have made significant progress yet. he's got some almost impossible problems to overcome. our country is divided; why should we expect congress to be any different. i'll tell you one thing for sure: i wouldn't want his job for all the money in the world.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNW8ae_QNA&feature=player_embedded
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People are so funny
Obama is not Black well not 100% Black cuz he has a Black dad and a White mom
In school if you see interacial kids, the same people that say Obama is Black, YES Our first black president will be like so what color are you and torment them like crazy
Sorry folks you have yet to have a First Black President LOL Obama has white in him :bs: :bootyshake:
Making your font bigger and different colors doesn't make what you say any more intelligent.
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I think he's great. Of course the country looks bad now, it's going to take a while to undo all the damage of BushCo.
It didn't get this bad overnight, it's not going to be fixed any quicker.
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I don't trust him, but I don't necessarily dislike him.
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He needs to ditch Rahm Emmanuel and his "politics as usual" approach. We voted for change, Barack, not a continuation of the same old, BS, Republican-lite nonsense!
I was a huge Obama supporter and worked tirelessly to get him elected, but he's really been letting me down. If you make promises, you need to keep them!
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HE"S AN IDIOT!
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Well Regardless of whether you like him or not he is our president and people should pray or do whatever it is they do for him to be able to at least be able to set into motion a positive change for us.
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Look the U.S was broke before our new president, I like Obama, we are a military family and my husband has deployed 3 times since my twins have been born and they are only 4, he was deployed when i was pregnant. He has been gone more than he has been home. Our president is bringing our soldiers home from the war and for that i am grateful. If we had the other guy then we would never leave Iraq. You have to give Obama a chance people, remember he is trying to fix 8years of mess ups!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Look the U.S was broke before our new president, I like Obama, we are a military family and my husband has deployed 3 times since my twins have been born and they are only 4, he was deployed when i was pregnant. He has been gone more than he has been home. Our president is bringing our soldiers home from the war and for that i am grateful. If we had the other guy then we would never leave Iraq. You have to give Obama a chance people, remember he is trying to fix 8years of mess ups!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear about that you must have really been stressed! I'm sure you'll see him soon. Especially after 3 tours. Geeeeeeeeez. They recently sent a bunch of troops home to Illinois so there's some proof!
People are so funny Obama is not Black well not 100% Black cuz he has a Black dad and a White mom In school if you see interacial kids, the same people that say Obama is Black, YES Our first black president will be like so what color are you and torment them like crazy Sorry folks you have yet to have a First Black President LOL Obama has white in him
BUT I VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE HE WAS 100% BLACK!!! OMG IS THIS TRUE!? FFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!! I should have voted for that near-death old guy and his hockey-mom-christian-extremist replacement. WOW I FEEL SO USED!
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BUT I VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE HE WAS 100% BLACK!!! OMG IS THIS TRUE!? FFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!! I should have voted for that near-death old guy and his hockey-mom-christian-extremist replacement. WOW I FEEL SO USED!
Always bank on the maverick!
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President Obama is a puppet, believe that!
And for the Economy - The Puppet (obama) has very little do with the Economy, Only the Federal Reserves deal with the Economy -
People need to investigate and see what is really going on in America
Investigate - Federal Reserves, Hand Pick Presidents, Puppet Presidents
Vote for RON PAUL - 2012
THE LAST TRUE PRESIDENT- JOHN F. KENNEDY :angel11:
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He said he'd pull troops out of Iraq so they stop dying, AND THEN HE PUTS THEM IN AFGANISTAN WHERE THERE WERE MORE DEATHS THAN IN IRAQ! He has NO experience whatsoever in running this country, and he's just out for fame and fortune. In my opinion, his "Change" is messing up the economy, killing people, and throwing our money in the garbage. I don't want to start a fight, but that's EXACTLY what he did, it's facts, not opinions, so you wanna fight the facts, go to the press.
R U KIdding me, yeah he is pulling the troops out of Iraq cause now our troops are just sitting there, I support our military but i believe that going to Iraq was little bush's revenge for big bush. I believe we should be in Afghanistan and fns Bin Laden, did you forget already. Maybe if our troops where there and not in Iraq the person responsible for attacking the UNITED STATES would be dead.
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I don't like or dislike him. It doesn't really matter to me. It just irritates me when people say they hate him without a reason. If you have a good reason then hate all you want.
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Neither like nor dislike. He's just another politician who talks well but says nothing.
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don't like him he's runnning up hugh debt just like the rest of the politicians
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i don't
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I'm not impressed at all with the job that he is doing. I am just trying to ride it out untill we can vote in a new president.
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I don't really pay attention to what he's doing. Even though I voted for him, I figured I'd just wait until he's half way through this term. It took Bush a while to screw up and personally, things will only get worse before they will get better. No one knows if Obama will put us in the right direction yet. He may fix the U.S. or set things in motion for the next president. Either way I personally think he's 100x better than Bush. To me Bush was a moron who knew nothing and couldn't pronounce words. There's no reason to be in Iraq except to get oil. He claimed it was to find Bin Laden. He was never there, nimrod.
And one of my good friends is married to a marine. He's only been deployed once since Obama was in office and it was only for a few months. When she was pregnant, Bush was in office. He missed out on most of the pregnancy and almost missed the birth of their daughter because he was being demanded to return to service.
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i thing having a black president was a change our country needed
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don't like him he's runnning up hugh debt just like the rest of the politicians
Government debt isn't the problem, consumer debt is the problem. The government can take care of its debt in a relatively short period of time. Consumers can't.
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:BangHead:no I don't !! >:(
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It's all very scary. The older folks I've talked to seem to see repeats of bad decisions the country has made in the past. I saw a bumper sticker that said we've hit barack bottom. I will have to start paying more attention to have a valid opinion.
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I have actually made money in the stock market since President Obama took office. I received stimulus checks and have incentives for various purchases. Life is Great under President Obama.
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
I don't know how old you are, but you don't understand the basics of economy if you think Obama is bringing about good changes. When you get older, and not rely on your parents opinions, your opinion will change.
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Wow! Seems as though you started a thread that people really have an opinion on. I don't want to start a fight either, but I am really into watching what goes on in politics. Because I don't have alot of income, some of the things they are doing will help me. For example, my mom just helped me buy a car. Because I was driving a 13 year old jeep, I used cash for clunkers and got $7,000 credit towards a new car. I am currently working with my mortgage company to lower my house payment because my taxes and insurance have gone up so much that now my total house payment is about 40% of my income. I have no health insurance because I work for a company that does not have it and I have pre-existing conditions so no one will insure me. So you could say these plans could benefit me. However, think about where the money to help me came from. It came from hard-working or maybe just lucky people who had more than me. I think that is wrong. I don't want people who have less than me, for whatever reason, to take from me. Do you? I like the saying that : I never got a job from a poor man. If there aren't any wealthy people left to pay taxes, start businesses, hire people, what then? I don't think we are all supposed to have the same. That is one of life's lessons. Things are not always fair, even when you do your best to try. Am I being a hypocrite for taking the government's money. Probably, but I am not sure what else to do until opportunities open up for me, and I am pretty sure those opportunities will be created by someone who has more than me.
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there are rumors that he may be the antichrist!
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HES FINE BETTER THAN MCAIN AN BUSH BUSH AN MCAIN ARE A JOK SO OBAMA IS FINE BUT I HTINK HIS KIDS WILL BE SHOT DOWN HE DOSENT CARE Y NT HOME SCHOOL THEM HES ALSO A DUNTS
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HES FINE BETTER THAN MCAIN AN BUSH BUSH AN MCAIN ARE A JOK SO OBAMA IS FINE BUT I HTINK HIS KIDS WILL BE SHOT DOWN HE DOSENT CARE Y NT HOME SCHOOL THEM HES ALSO A DUNTS
And this is the reason I'm glad I voted for McCain. I don't want to be put into a demographic with idiots such as you. Go back to elementary school, learn grammar, and then learn not to press the 'Caps Lock' bar.
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What would be interesting to know is how many people complaining about Obama actually voted in the recent election. I have found in my circle of friends, many of them complain about nothing being done to change America and the state we are in. When I ask them who they voted for, most admit they did not even vote! If they were not concerned then why should they cry now? They had the opportunity to let their voice be heard at the polls, but chose not to. It doesn't cost a dime to vote, maybe a few minutes of your time, but time is all we have these days. So I want an honest answer. No matter who you voted for, how many people on here voted in the last election?
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Personally, I love Obama, I think he is going to bring about some really good changes. My entire family voted for him during this election. He seems like he truly CARES about the people in this country, and thats very vital in being a good president.
I don't know how old you are, but you don't understand the basics of economy if you think Obama is bringing about good changes. When you get older, and not rely on your parents opinions, your opinion will change.
Perhaps you should enlighten him on these basics and how Obama is doing harm to the economy rather than being condescending and arrogant towards him...
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It's all very scary. The older folks I've talked to seem to see repeats of bad decisions the country has made in the past. I saw a bumper sticker that said we've hit barack bottom. I will have to start paying more attention to have a valid opinion.
What age group constitutes this "older folks?" Most people (not all) considered "older" are stuck in old ways of tradition, most couldn't give a short summary/explanation of the forces of supply and demand.
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i think he will be fine.
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Idk he has his ups and downs :) :(
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It's alot of you guys out here talking bad about obama, but give the man a change. Bush was the one who mess the place up in the first place and obama's the one who have to clean his *bleep* up. And nothing happens over night. These is our first black president and all I hear is bad talk about the men, he need our support too. In the pass all we ever had was white president and nobody complain about *bleep*. But the mintue a black person hit the sit all hell break lose. I don't think anybody like bush, but nobody said to much about that. But with obama the whole *bleep* world has something to say. Somebody made a comment that they don't want to start a fight but with comments like those you are. Because I was very *bleep* when I read that. But I guess you are just speaking your mind. But somethings are better kept un said. All we ever had was white president and nobody had nothing to say. But my question becomes. Why when it's our first black president everybody has something bad to say about the man. Damn give the man a *bleep* chance, he is cleaning up something a white man left behide. His dirty work. All am saying is just please give me man a chance. *bleep* really don't happen over night. And i voted for him. And if he runs again you best believe he got my full support. Peace
I have not heard anyone bash Obama just because he is black and I watch alot the news. I can't give any man (black or white) a chance with the kind of changes Obama is trying to make.
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I like him!!! Hes good for the country...its going to take a long time to undo what Bush did to this country!!! Change will happen!!!
Actually, Bush inherited from Clinton. Look in the archives to see what Clinton put into place before he left office. Very few Presidents have had the case load that Bush had (i.e. 9-11, Katrina, other disasters like Barney Frank).
Obama isn't waiting for the next terrorist strike, He's going to create some 1st.
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You don't like Obama because you're all brainwashed Republicans who are racist. This absolutely sickens me when I read this unbelievable foolishness. This man has done more for this country than any Republican president in this century and that's in just 7 months. You should enjoy the fact that this is a very intelligent President. Perhaps you have trouble understanding him because we had such an idiot for a President for 8 years. What did you expect him to be able to do after the mess that Bush made, wave his magic wand and all would be right. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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K, I am not going to sing the praises of Bush cause he did some things that made me mad, but my problem with Obama is loss of freedom and power grabs by the government where they shouldn't be messin'. Did you see today that a Dem is working on a bill (Sorry, can't remember who it is) that would allow Obama to comandeer the internet in the US if he deemed that there was a security risk. I mean that is some really scary stuff. That is what they did in Iran recently when the government did not want the world to be able to see that they were murdering their own citizens in the streets. Taking over the auto industry, healthcare, the banks. I just think that less government leads to more freedom.
If someone wants the government to take care of everything for them, then they need to know their freedom will be taken away. Example: If you help pay for my healthcare through your taxes, do I have the right to eat as much chocolate cake as I want? You will say no because you don't want to pay for my health problems and have your taxes go up. Now you could legimately argue that you have a right to make decisions for me. If I pay my own bills, then you don't care what I eat. People have to decide which they want, cause you can't have it both ways.
Let them eat cake!!!
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You don't like Obama because you're all brainwashed Republicans who are racist. This absolutely sickens me when I read this unbelievable foolishness. This man has done more for this country than any Republican president in this century and that's in just 7 months. You should enjoy the fact that this is a very intelligent President. Perhaps you have trouble understanding him because we had such an idiot for a President for 8 years. What did you expect him to be able to do after the mess that Bush made, wave his magic wand and all would be right. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
You're being fairly ridiculous and exaggerating. Obama hasn't really accomplished much of anything significant, which is completely understandable given its barely been over half a year. Not everyone who opposes what the Obama Administration is doing is a crazy racist Republican -.- Pure nonsense. Take a breath, re-read what you wrote, and perhaps do some editing. You come across as more prejudiced and brainwashed than people here opposing Obama...
(And before you go crazy, I think my posts show I'm a supporter of this Administration)
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In My Opinion I think we are Worse off now than what we were when Bush was our President. Don't get me wrong Bush was Certainly No Angel By any Means. He is the One who BankRupted the White House and that was the Start of the Recession. But Barrick Obama is no better than the Last GoofBall we had in there. All they are Doing is Hurting Us Not Helping Us. Sorry Like I said that is just my Opinion. Don't mean to Upset Anyone.
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In My Opinion I think we are Worse off now than what we were when Bush was our President.
Elaborate.
He is the One who BankRupted the White House and that was the Start of the Recession.
No he didn't.
We had recessions in 2002, 2003, and the current one. We've had 11 recessions since 1945 alone, and dozens more prior to that. They're not exactly rare occurrences. Some are worse than others; the average length of recessions since 1919 is 13 months. One man in the entire world does not have the ability to cause or prevent recessions and economic downturns. To pin the recession we're currently moving out of solely on Bush and his colleagues is plain nonsense and ignorance of economics and politics. The three mentioned were in the making for years, were caused by drastic events (9/11, war in the Middle East), and are part of the natural cycle of a capitalistic economy.
If we stopped having recessions, it would be more of a problem than the issue we're currently in. It would be proof the cycles of capitalism, which have been present for decades and decades, are no longer occurring. When that happens, the alarm shall REALLY sound.
But Barrick Obama is no better than the Last GoofBall we had in there. All they are Doing is Hurting Us Not Helping Us. Sorry Like I said that is just my Opinion. Don't mean to Upset Anyone.
Again, elaborate please. Spouting this over and over adds nothing of substance to any discussion. Details please, and how it connects directly to the Obama Administration.
If you don't have any details or don't have the capacity to form a coherent argument for why this Administration is "doing nothing but hurting us," then please stop making these statements.
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liljp so you think Obama makes all the decisions huh? ..Would if that NWO comes, will you still support Obama..?
Btw, you seem to be well educated, Im just curious what you are doing on a site like this.
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liljp so you think Obama makes all the decisions huh? ..Would if that NWO comes, will you still support Obama..?
Btw, you seem to be well educated, Im just curious what you are doing on a site like this.
I don't believe he solely makes all the decisions. In fact, it's not a belief, it's a plain fact of US government. There are checks and balances on his powers. He has many responsibilities and powers (commander in chief, appointing thousands of staff members in the federal government, etc.), but I have never denied the President is subject to countless variations of external influence, good and bad.
The NWO is a nonsensical conspiracy theory supported by people akin to Kent Hovind. The idea that Jane Fonda, the British Royal Family, the US government, and Israel are plotting to form a global government to control everyone is worse than Scientology's goofy beliefs.
I'm a 19 year old college student. I need money ;) And I enjoy discussing things, because people will rarely discuss these kinds of topics out in the real world.
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haha love it when people say the NWO is a conspiracy theory, man it is no longer one..world leaders are already calling for that exact same *bleep* all the time... in fact nearly every leader in all of history who loves power, has called for a new world order of some kind, even Hitler... if you think the concept of a New World Order is only a conspiracy theory, then you better start getting a better grasp of history or how power structures are created and longed for :P
but how much of the NWO agenda has been put forth is up for argument, one thing that;s no conspiracy, is that the NWO is a real thing spoken about by many...You can find the famous quotes from Bush Jr, Bush Sr, and even Obama has mentioned it by nam,e...
..If you don't think there is a push for global government, kindly explain the function of the UN... why US soldiers fight for UN ideals including their population control laws on countries like China, and why the European union which was opposed by many in a voilent fashion, is controlling thye economy of so many countries? Ever see how many countries show the queen on their coins and money? its insanity...!
I feel like it's important, so Im gonna take the time to show proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order <-- This is what a new world order is, this is a real thing... now you may disagree with who may be interested in taking part of the new world order, but its been a re-occuring theme in all history, do you believe this generation is exempt?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union <-- European union changed even the currency of its members, countries like France still rebel even today against the EU and its oppressive forces,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control <-- various places already with population control happening , the UN puts strict penalties on those trying to pull out of these practices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_nations <-- The UN is a group of powerful leaders and figures who have global armies, global UN troops, can be sent anywhere without declaration of war. Look at how many "silent wars" are taking place even today! not newsworthy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg <-- public knowledge of a secret group of politicians and powerful figures meeting to form policy, which is illegal in the US.. we are supposed to have an OPEN government.
Just a few peices of credible info to help you on your Journey....just because someone says that the New World Order is some mystical magical plot, doesnt mean there is no basis in reality... It may not be as mystical as some claim, and many conspiracy theorists will blow it up into things its not like invisible planes hitting buildings, UFO's secretly meeting with the whitehouse etc. However this does not mean there isnt a group of powerful elite in control behind the scenes who are more powerful than Obama and have an idea to control all economy of the world and therefore control all the people in it.
Peace
PS:
Do you use any instant messengers?
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haha love it when people say the NWO is a conspiracy theory, man it is no longer one..world leaders are already calling for that exact same *bleep* all the time... in fact nearly every leader in all of history who loves power, has called for a new world order of some kind, even Hitler... if you think the concept of a New World Order is only a conspiracy theory, then you better start getting a better grasp of history or how power structures are created and longed for :P
but how much of the NWO agenda has been put forth is up for argument, one thing that;s no conspiracy, is that the NWO is a real thing spoken about by many...You can find the famous quotes from Bush Jr, Bush Sr, and even Obama has mentioned it by nam,e...
..If you don't think there is a push for global government, kindly explain the function of the UN... why US soldiers fight for UN ideals including their population control laws on countries like China, and why the European union which was opposed by many in a voilent fashion, is controlling thye economy of so many countries? Ever see how many countries show the queen on their coins and money? its insanity...!
I feel like it's important, so Im gonna take the time to show proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order <-- This is what a new world order is, this is a real thing... now you may disagree with who may be interested in taking part of the new world order, but its been a re-occuring theme in all history, do you believe this generation is exempt?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union <-- European union changed even the currency of its members, countries like France still rebel even today against the EU and its oppressive forces,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control <-- various places already with population control happening , the UN puts strict penalties on those trying to pull out of these practices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_nations <-- The UN is a group of powerful leaders and figures who have global armies, global UN troops, can be sent anywhere without declaration of war. Look at how many "silent wars" are taking place even today! not newsworthy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg <-- public knowledge of a secret group of politicians and powerful figures meeting to form policy, which is illegal in the US.. we are supposed to have an OPEN government.
Just a few peices of credible info to help you on your Journey....just because someone says that the New World Order is some mystical magical plot, doesnt mean there is no basis in reality... It may not be as mystical as some claim, and many conspiracy theorists will blow it up into things its not like invisible planes hitting buildings, UFO's secretly meeting with the whitehouse etc. However this does not mean there isnt a group of powerful elite in control behind the scenes who are more powerful than Obama and have an idea to control all economy of the world and therefore control all the people in it.
Peace
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Do you use any instant messengers?
I like the fact that you put out information there for us to all read, I just wish it hadn't been wikipedia. Since any idiot can change the information on there it just seems to me that it isn't a reliable or even credible source of information. Do you have any other sources of information? I'd really like to see them. Thanks.
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hey i only put wikipedia there because it explains simple things like the UN, Bilderberg etc.. there are plenty of sources on the wikipedia pages if you dont believe they exist, or would like to learn more about them... Nothing I posted was of any complex nature, so they should all link directly back to sites like UN.ORG, Bilderberg for example has 28 references in the bottom of the wikipedia page. If wikipedia is not a good source, what is? I know its easily manipulated, so I will ask what you would prefer? Since sources can be obtained nearly anywhere and all can be discounted... if its mainstream media "thats fox, not to be trusted" or if its an independent site "thats conspiracy". So really the argument of what sources is one that cannot be won unless you give me the criteria :) What are you looking for? I would suggest looking at the bottom of the wikipedia pages for sources first, direct websites, book references, news columns etc. or if those are not sufficient and you want to know more about a specific topic, let me know, and your preferred source and Ill see what I can do.
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hey i only put wikipedia there because it explains simple things like the UN, Bilderberg etc.. there are plenty of sources on the wikipedia pages if you dont believe they exist, or would like to learn more about them... Nothing I posted was of any complex nature, so they should all link directly back to sites like UN.ORG, Bilderberg for example has 28 references in the bottom of the wikipedia page. If wikipedia is not a good source, what is? I know its easily manipulated, so I will ask what you would prefer? Since sources can be obtained nearly anywhere and all can be discounted... if its mainstream media "thats fox, not to be trusted" or if its an independent site "thats conspiracy". So really the argument of what sources is one that cannot be won unless you give me the criteria :) What are you looking for? I would suggest looking at the bottom of the wikipedia pages for sources first, direct websites, book references, news columns etc. or if those are not sufficient and you want to know more about a specific topic, let me know, and your preferred source and Ill see what I can do.
It's fine with me that you put the wikipedia info up, it does explain. I honestly don't know which source would be true. It seems to me that most of the information is based on opinions sometimes and not facts. Which is kind of why I wanted to know if you had any other sources yourself just because I'm curiously interested now in what you posted. I don't really have a preferred news source because really, I don't think any of them base their reports on facts alone, it seems to be more like a lot of opinions and a few facts thrown in to call it "news".
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i think pretty much all sources of news are biased in one way or another.... one example of the corporate and political leaders working towards a new world order is easy to see in advertising and news... You have these big corporations like Bayer, Coca-Cola etc. who are responsible for tragedies and travesties all the time... these kind of companies can start wars, disease through lack of freshwater, or in bayers case, even intentionally spread AIDS to thousands! (search "bayer aids" if unfamiliar)... These corporations pay for the advertising and keep the news running.. so when these things happen often they go unreported, or if they are reported, they are at the end of the broadcast and put in a 'funny' light or not taken seriously. These companies now have say over what the news reports... you jump to the bigger picture and see all media is owned by about 5-6 companies... which makes it very easy to control the image of anything from war, to religion. You can control what people buy with the advertising and product placement, you can set these trends with pop rock rap stars etc. This alone allows you to manipulate society to believe whatever you want.. even politicians can make or break with the help of news... a well covered scandal, or a well covered up scandal, makes all the difference.. so in ways the media is stronger than the politicians... but I think we all know that politicians are weak and controlled by others... who? more corporations and sponsors... campain contributers, politicians doing "favors" etc. This is all well known just casual criminal politics... but the big picture is... who runs these companies who decide whats on the news? people dont talk about the head of walmart, or more important, those with the most invested stock and loans out to each company... the banks... the federal reserve who control the banks etc. You can see how the pyramid just gets smaller and smaller... the corporations who control public image, are also controlled by their investors..
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haha love it when people say the NWO is a conspiracy theory, man it is no longer one..world leaders are already calling for that exact same *bleep* all the time... in fact nearly every leader in all of history who loves power, has called for a new world order of some kind, even Hitler... if you think the concept of a New World Order is only a conspiracy theory, then you better start getting a better grasp of history or how power structures are created and longed for :P
but how much of the NWO agenda has been put forth is up for argument, one thing that;s no conspiracy, is that the NWO is a real thing spoken about by many...You can find the famous quotes from Bush Jr, Bush Sr, and even Obama has mentioned it by nam,e...
..If you don't think there is a push for global government, kindly explain the function of the UN... why US soldiers fight for UN ideals including their population control laws on countries like China, and why the European union which was opposed by many in a voilent fashion, is controlling thye economy of so many countries? Ever see how many countries show the queen on their coins and money? its insanity...!
I feel like it's important, so Im gonna take the time to show proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order <-- This is what a new world order is, this is a real thing... now you may disagree with who may be interested in taking part of the new world order, but its been a re-occuring theme in all history, do you believe this generation is exempt?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union <-- European union changed even the currency of its members, countries like France still rebel even today against the EU and its oppressive forces,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control <-- various places already with population control happening , the UN puts strict penalties on those trying to pull out of these practices
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_nations <-- The UN is a group of powerful leaders and figures who have global armies, global UN troops, can be sent anywhere without declaration of war. Look at how many "silent wars" are taking place even today! not newsworthy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg <-- public knowledge of a secret group of politicians and powerful figures meeting to form policy, which is illegal in the US.. we are supposed to have an OPEN government.
Just a few peices of credible info to help you on your Journey....just because someone says that the New World Order is some mystical magical plot, doesnt mean there is no basis in reality... It may not be as mystical as some claim, and many conspiracy theorists will blow it up into things its not like invisible planes hitting buildings, UFO's secretly meeting with the whitehouse etc. However this does not mean there isnt a group of powerful elite in control behind the scenes who are more powerful than Obama and have an idea to control all economy of the world and therefore control all the people in it.
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I suppose we're operating under different views of the NWO. The NWO I was commenting on is the one people (again, people akin to Kent Hovind) fear monger about. They play the NWO off as some crazy, dictator-like global economy where people are going to lose their freedoms and liberties because Israel and the British Royal Family want to take over the world.
There is a difference between pushing for a global economy, single currency, global government, global decisions, etc. (all of which are very unlikely to ever fully happen, and all of which I'm aware have been discussed for decades) and saying nonsense like the US government and a few other people at the top are trying to take over the world solely for their benefit.
The NWO may exist to a small degree, but it doesn't exist in the same way people generally use the term "New World Order."
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I like the fact that you put out information there for us to all read, I just wish it hadn't been wikipedia. Since any idiot can change the information on there it just seems to me that it isn't a reliable or even credible source of information. Do you have any other sources of information? I'd really like to see them. Thanks.
Wikipedia has a pretty darn good watch on the majority of their content. Anything that's really important and viewed often (say WWII) can't be edited without specific permission from the administrators of Wikipedia. There are also quite a few restrictions and a lot of consistent oversight by Wikipedia to make sure anything that is added has a legitimate source along with it and isn't just plain nonsense.
There also probably aren't THAT many people who are bored enough to go find random Wikipedia articles and add dishonest facts and information for the hell of it.
Anything on Wikipedia has sources, so if you want to see more sources for the information there, they're all noted within the text as well as at the foot of the page.
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the term New World Order is tossed around so much that Im not sure what you are referring to really...yeh lots of weird conspiracies are out there about the new world order that make no sense.. However the facts that can be verified are that it is as defined a New World Order these people look forward to, and that it is a conspiracy of individuals of high power who want this order and work actively to persue it, and that the effect of this New World Order is of course of great consequence only to those who are not in the elite... It's a lot like a group of mafia's who all ultimately want control of the people.. however like any criminal network, each subdivision will often cutthroat another... one group may persecute another, however the agenda is the same on both sides... steal all the money from the everyday joeblow... sooner or later some mafia gangs may get big enough to eliminate another, each of these mafia gangs has the dream to be the one who accomplishes that and ultimately wipes out all gangs and has complete control... but there is always the human element, so many will think its ok for the greater good.. so they will follow along and work for this mafia even with good intentions, following the evil agenda... this is the same with businesses, they buy each other up, and eliminate one another, ultimately a final goal is complete dominance. Some will say its with good intentions, some are honest and claim its about money... but taxing people for a global environmental tax, or a national healthcare tax, etc. to pay for some help to the people... while putting trillions of money in bailouts to big corporations with money printed out of thin air or registered buy typing some zero's on the computer... is theft, unexcusable, the children suffer with inflation etc. etc. and the new world order exists in all these evil fucks, and some of them see the bigger picture, while many are on a small pyramid that looks a lot like a pile of dog *bleep*...and they are happy to order around minimum wage employees... others strive to be walmart and president.. and those ones are even scarier..
I think maybe the level of new world order or mass control people get lost and doubt at is... there is a vast conspiracy of politicians and corporate leaders meeting in private to control these things instead of the president.. if thats the part you have trouble with, I suggest researching the "bilderberg group" and "Trilateral commission"
If ever some miracle killed every candidate and someone like Ron Paul became president or someone who is honest.. they would off the guy/girl pretty quickly... or "let him be offed" by not protecting him... buyt mostly likely they would just prevent it... put scandal on the television, sway the polls, ignore the candidate, its easy when you control the media... so thats a good reason alone to be skeptical of Obama.. but again his actions speak louder than words.
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I support our president. After all we are in a Obamanation :)
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you sure it isnt suppose to be "he is an Obamanation"? ;D
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i think pretty much all sources of news are biased in one way or another.... one example of the corporate and political leaders working towards a new world order is easy to see in advertising and news... You have these big corporations like Bayer, Coca-Cola etc. who are responsible for tragedies and travesties all the time... these kind of companies can start wars, disease through lack of freshwater, or in bayers case, even intentionally spread AIDS to thousands! (search "bayer aids" if unfamiliar)... These corporations pay for the advertising and keep the news running.. so when these things happen often they go unreported, or if they are reported, they are at the end of the broadcast and put in a 'funny' light or not taken seriously. These companies now have say over what the news reports... you jump to the bigger picture and see all media is owned by about 5-6 companies... which makes it very easy to control the image of anything from war, to religion. You can control what people buy with the advertising and product placement, you can set these trends with pop rock rap stars etc. This alone allows you to manipulate society to believe whatever you want.. even politicians can make or break with the help of news... a well covered scandal, or a well covered up scandal, makes all the difference.. so in ways the media is stronger than the politicians... but I think we all know that politicians are weak and controlled by others... who? more corporations and sponsors... campain contributers, politicians doing "favors" etc. This is all well known just casual criminal politics... but the big picture is... who runs these companies who decide whats on the news? people dont talk about the head of walmart, or more important, those with the most invested stock and loans out to each company... the banks... the federal reserve who control the banks etc. You can see how the pyramid just gets smaller and smaller... the corporations who control public image, are also controlled by their investors..
"so in ways the media is stronger than the politicians... but I think we all know that politicians are weak and controlled by others..."
This reminded me of a quote can't remember source " I had a dream that Ted Turner was elected president of the US and he turned it down because he didn't want to give up power." thats almost how it was I think :)
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I get amused every time I read the additional posts to this topic. I see a handfull of Obama supporters and many others to the contrary. All I can say is God bless America! I am thankful I live in a country where I and my peers are given the freedom of speech!
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Not a big Obama fan however as a military wife I am not really allowed to speak negatively of our commander in chief! Personally I think he is a good example of what happens when a lot of un-polictically educated votes actually register to vote b/c he how emotionally invested they are in the whole process. I would have loved to see Hilary on the ticket but I think Uncle Sam is still afraid of a strong, educated, vocal woman in a pantsuit! :thumbsup:
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Not a big Obama fan however as a military wife I am not really allowed to speak negatively of our commander in chief!
Yes you are.
Personally I think he is a good example of what happens when a lot of un-polictically educated votes actually register to vote b/c he how emotionally invested they are in the whole process.
The majority of Presidential elections have been won similarly to this (you think Bush, for a recent example, really got elected on his political merits?). If it was that bad the Electoral College wouldn't have gone along with the popular vote.
I would have loved to see Hilary on the ticket but I think Uncle Sam is still afraid of a strong, educated, vocal woman in a pantsuit! :thumbsup:
People are more concerned with a dynasty of Bush's and Clinton's. From 1989 to 2009, there was a Bush or Clinton in the Presidential seat. Plain silliness.
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Not a big Obama fan however as a military wife I am not really
allowed to speak negatively of our commander in chief!
What is he fighting for again? oh yeah freedom for you to not be allowed to speak nagatively about the commander and chief xD Kinda Ironic really :) Its funny how when people are in a herd mentality they actually police themselves, for example, of course what your saying is not legally true, but politically and socially true for sure. You should be able to speak your mind, but due to the manipulation and control over the media, and the brainwashing by the government to give the illusion that 'patriotism' means supporting your presidents every action... of course the PATRIOT ACT is everything but patriotic, and censoring your speech is everything but 'free' and 'american'.
Wish your husband nothin but the best.
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bump :wave:
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I am not a fan of Obama and I did not vote for him either. In my opinion our ecomony was already on a spiral but I feel that Obama's decisions have only increased the spiral. My husband and I lost our jobs in March 2008 and even after several hundreds applications/resumes I have only just secured a part-time job with the school district. I am truly blessed to have secured the job as I can finally provide health insurance for my family (husband, self and two sons). I am strictly working for insurance but pleased to do so. My husband is still unemployed. So far we have lost a vehicle and we are on the verge of losing our home. When I tried to get assistance I was told I did not qualify because I own my home and a vehicle. This is ridiculous.....where is the assistance for home owners...the so-called stimulus package!!!! I have worked since I was 16 and I feel useless and unable to help support my family. I think Obama needs to reevaluate his decisions.
A realtor in Florida made sense when she said, " the stimulus package should have been $1 million to each family to purchase a home and car...this would have cost less than what the stimulus is currently costing our taxpayers....in addition it would have stimulated the economy for vehicles and homes." FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!
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I am a Obama supporter! I voted for Obama…
I believe that there is always going to be somebody, somewhere, that has a gripe or complaint about the president no mater who it is and no matter what is going on. There are always going to be people that complain but don’t get out and vote. If you didn’t vote then you have no right to complain. So hush. From what I have seen (in my day to day) the people that are griping and complaining the most are people that #1 didn’t vote, #2 don’t agree with a black man being president, and #3 are just plain ignorant. I don’t personally agree with everything he does but things will get worse before they get better, and in due time things will change…
Believe it or not Obama (or any president for that matter) is not the decision maker he is merely the “fall guy”. Think about it…
Change will not come overnight or in a week or two it takes time for things to change. He inherited many, and I mean many of the problems that we have today. True he hasn’t done all the things he said he would do but he also has 4 years to do it all. Plus what President has? When was the last time you did EVERYTHING you said you would do? He’s human plain and simple.
Its easy to criticize when you are sitting in the comfort of your own home…
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I really like Obama a lot!! I think he is going to do a great job!
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If Obama did absolutely nothing, it would have been better. Doubling the troops, giving more bailouts to the rich etc. is enough for people to complain.
You honestly believe that the majority of people who complain didn't vote, are racist, or ignorant..? Pretty simple minded if you ask me... Lots of people disagree with EVERY president for a HUGE number of reasons, generally number 1 is the economy, and 2 is war, although they flop back and forth often... I would say compared to the people who are upset with Obama over doubling the troops in Afghanistan, allowing Guantanamo to stay open, letting the Patriot act and others still exist without being vetoed etc. those who are just 'ignorant', 'racist' or 'didn't vote' pale in comparison...
Also just because someone doesn't vote, this does not mean they lose the right to complain? This is America... its your CHOICE to vote or not, and your FREEDOM to complain... I have yet to meet a racist who don't like Obama for his color, but then again I'm in California.... You are correct when you compare Obama to other presidents and say "who has?" followed through with their promises. Most all have not, and Obama is just yet another President, yet another politician who does not have the PEOPLE''s welfare as his best interest. This is normal for his position, he is a crook and a thief like every other politicians. Some people may truly not like him because he is black, but just as many people didn't like Bush because he was white. XD "George Bush Doesn't like Black People" remember that quote on live television? haha, it's no different, just another 'excuse'. The real problem is these presidents are all crooks who are sure the rich stay rich, and the poor and middle class get poorer.
It's true he don't make the decisions, he is only a puppet or fall guy like you say. How can anyone have respect for a liar who pretends to make decisions, and who's entire job is to fool the public and make them believe they are the important ones when they really are looking out for special interests and the highest bidder? Hard to respect that, and even harder when the man sends more of your children/brothers/sisters/mothers/fathers to die after claiming he would bring them home.
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You honestly believe that the majority of people who complain didn't vote, are racist, or ignorant..? Pretty simple minded if you ask me... Lots of people disagree with EVERY president for a HUGE number of reasons, generally number 1 is the economy, and 2 is war, although they flop back and forth often... I would say compared to the people who are upset with Obama over doubling the troops in Afghanistan, allowing Guantanamo to stay open, letting the Patriot act and others still exist without being vetoed etc. those who are just 'ignorant', 'racist' or 'didn't vote' pale in comparison...
Also just because someone doesn't vote, this does not mean they lose the right to complain? This is America... its your CHOICE to vote or not, and your FREEDOM to complain... I have yet to meet a racist who don't like Obama for his color, but then again I'm in California.... You are correct when you compare Obama to other presidents and say "who has?" followed through with their promises. Most all have not, and Obama is just yet another President, yet another politician who does not have the PEOPLE''s welfare as his best interest. This is normal for his position, he is a crook and a thief like every other politicians. Some people may truly not like him because he is black, but just as many people didn't like Bush because he was white. XD "George Bush Doesn't like Black People" remember that quote on live television? haha, it's no different, just another 'excuse'. The real problem is these presidents are all crooks who are sure the rich stay rich, and the poor and middle class get poorer.
I said the people I talk to in my day to day conversations. I didn’t say that they were racist I meant they don’t like a black man being president. I agree that people disagree with the president for a number of reasons but I have had people tell me “I don’t like him because he is black.” These are the people I talk to in my day to day. Those are valid reasons to be upset with Obama but I have yet to hear that out of someone I spoke with. I live in Alabama.
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I like many others posted that the reason why Obama won was because people wanted to see the 1st black president and not really paying attention to the facts, but rather 'OMG He's black I'm going to vote for him!!"
I also think that between him and McCain, Obama was better, but that is just my opinion.
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The only "change" is that there is a black man as president. I've been unemployed for 18 months and things don't look good. Even if a fast food joint is hiring they will only give you 9 maybe 10 hours per week!! He is a joke and one day maybe all the Obama fanatics will see it.
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The only "change" is that there is a black man as president. I've been unemployed for 18 months and things don't look good. Even if a fast food joint is hiring they will only give you 9 maybe 10 hours per week!! He is a joke and one day maybe all the Obama fanatics will see it.
Yeah, we all know the President controls unemployment! The economy was moving towards its worst when he was coming into office. The economy is just now indicating an upturn. Unemployment lags behind the real time economy. You fix the economy, you wait for unemployment to stabilize. It takes longer than a couple months.
I like many others posted that the reason why Obama won was because people wanted to see the 1st black president and not really paying attention to the facts, but rather 'OMG He's black I'm going to vote for him!!"
I also think that between him and McCain, Obama was better, but that is just my opinion.
This would be a great theory if it weren't for the fact that he lost a huge number of votes simply because he is black. Knock off the nonsense, think a bit. He got elected because he was clearly better at campaigning, inspired people, raised more money, and so on. He got elected because people bought his rhetoric...aka he was a better politician than McCain and it clearly showed in the campaign.
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I didn’t say that they were racist I meant they don’t like a black man being president.
Kinda hard to understand how someone who isnt racist would dislike a man as president because he is black. XD
but I have had people tell me “I don’t like him because he is black.
That person who told you that, is a racist haha simple as thta..maybe a closet racist. XD
aka he was a better politician than McCain and it clearly showed in the campaign.
aka the Election was scripted