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Title: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: Cbsteffen on April 23, 2015, 10:12:23 am
I have demanded the law to require everyone who plans to have a job of any type of leadership to take a test on disability facts (not including trivia) before he or she gets to fill out an application for that job. I also want the only way to pass the test to be to answer all of the questions right. Tell me what you agree with and what you disagree with on what I said and why.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: patycake56 on April 23, 2015, 12:26:42 pm
I wish that could really become a reality
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 23, 2015, 03:42:56 pm
I disagree.  It's crazy to expect a person to know every law out there and there are new laws every day concerning disability.  I believe in equal rights but equal not special.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: Cbsteffen on April 23, 2015, 04:15:41 pm
I disagree.  It's crazy to expect a person to know every law out there and there are new laws every day concerning disability.  I believe in equal rights but equal not special.

What do you think I am talking about? I have high-functioning autism. Anybody who has had a job that would involve leadership is the only type of person who has truly hurt my emotions by discriminating me or talking rudely or unnecessarily angrily to me.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 23, 2015, 06:13:13 pm
I disagree.  It's crazy to expect a person to know every law out there and there are new laws every day concerning disability.  I believe in equal rights but equal not special.

What do you think I am talking about? I have high-functioning autism. Anybody who has had a job that would involve leadership is the only type of person who has truly hurt my emotions by discriminating me or talking rudely or unnecessarily angrily to me.

Your uncalled for anger is why I disagree.  I would never make fun of anyone whether they have a disability or not.  But to expect anyone to know ALL the laws concerning disability is crazy.  And what special laws are there concerning Autism?  My first thoughts were along the lines of allowing service dogs in places or something like that.  And you are not the only one who gets your feelings hurt.  You do not have to have a disability or the like to be made fun of or talked down to.  I am curious as to how you were discriminated against.  Lately I think the word discrimination is way over used.  Kind of like the word bully.  If you disagree with someone you are called a bully.  No, it's called having your own opinion.  Just because someone is rude to you does not mean it is because you are autistic.  Matter of fact a lot of the people who say they have autism or parents who say their kids have autism you would never know.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: hawkeye3210 on April 23, 2015, 06:22:40 pm
What do you think I am talking about? I have high-functioning autism. Anybody who has had a job that would involve leadership is the only type of person who has truly hurt my emotions by discriminating me or talking rudely or unnecessarily angrily to me.

You really think things would change if they just took a test before they applied for the job?

There's also no chance for a law like that to pass, nor should it. Not sure if it legally could be enforced in the private sector for that matter. There's always going to be people who are rude or inconsiderate. That won't change.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: sgluckadoo on April 23, 2015, 06:45:15 pm
i am required to take all sorts of training on ethics, disability, harassment, etc. By no means, do I know all the laws associated with each topic though. That is what lawyers are for. The training is meant to educate the average person on each topic so that they are familiar with these issues. I think that is appropriate in some job settings.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: loulizlee on April 23, 2015, 09:41:06 pm
I like to think I show respect for all individuals.  If we have that attitude, we don't need to know every legality.  Besides, as some have said, I don't think that's possible.  We do our best and try to improve when we fall short.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: killers2 on April 23, 2015, 10:32:16 pm
Yes!!!  A lot of employers end up being bullies with no sensitivity to physical, but especially mental disability.  They need to be trained this becuase half the time the people at the top are insensitive sons of guns!!
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: nannycoe1 on April 24, 2015, 04:53:29 am
I would not pass the test
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: colbtrist on April 24, 2015, 06:21:54 am
I believe in sensitivity training for people with disabilities, but knowing the laws is just crazy. I have a son that is autistic and would appreciate more on the job training for others. 
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 24, 2015, 12:21:36 pm
Yes!!!  A lot of employers end up being bullies with no sensitivity to physical, but especially mental disability.  They need to be trained this becuase half the time the people at the top are insensitive sons of guns!!

Just because someone is rude or you think they are disrespectful does not mean they are a bully.  That word is WAY over used.   These days people are just looking for something to be mad about.  They are looking for a reason to complain or to get somebody in trouble on their job.  And I disagree with the ones at the top being insensitive.  They are usually the ones who apologize when someone lower down the chain gets media attention for simply upholding the policy of the company.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 24, 2015, 12:28:19 pm
I would not pass the test

No one could pass a test where they are required to know every law there is concerning disability.  And these days a stumped toe is called a disability.

I believe in sensitivity training for people with disabilities, but knowing the laws is just crazy. I have a son that is autistic and would appreciate more on the job training for others. 

Sensitivity training is just plain stupid.  I currently work with the public.  I am nice to people as long as they are nice to me.  Even if they are not I am not mean back but I don't stand there and take the abuse.  No amount of training will make people be nice to others.  People are what they are.  And no class is going to change that.  By the time you are old enough to get a job you should know not to make fun of others.  For ANY reason.

Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: vickysue on April 24, 2015, 02:08:27 pm
I believe in treating anyone and everyone fairly. I had as my stock man at work who was a deaf mute. Loved him.  He was one of the hardest working men I ever knew and I could depend on him. The only thing was he could get really bossy if he caught me  doing something I was not suppose to do such as pick up something heavy.  Oh you have never been chewed out until  a deaf mute  does it.  I had a very bad car wreck and he was so careing about it.  Anyone who got him as an employee should consider them selves very lucky.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: CharmedPhoenix on April 24, 2015, 03:26:19 pm
I feel for you Cbsteffen, but I don't think a pre-employment test is a practical solution.  We need to start younger, in school, with sensitivity training and mental health awareness.  Even the assistance people in my town could use it.  So if schools teach the kids the kids will take it home and conversations will be started.  Parents will realize what they're doing and become better people and it'll spiral up from there.  In the meantime we should all be the kindest, best people we can be.  We need to be the change we want to see.  We can change the world this way.  :peace: :highfive: :angel11:
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: loulizlee on April 24, 2015, 04:32:14 pm
I watch a lot of the shows on Investigation Discovery.  Yesterday there was an episode about an Asian woman who was a hard worker at a grocery store, but one employee would hassle her constantly.  It had gone on for months until finally, in frustration, she blurted out a threat to him. b He went to the manager, and the manager, as he had before, took the abuser's side and fired the woman.  She had been in a terrible depression, but that was the last straw.  Because of her culture, this was perceived as bringing irreparable shame to her family.  She got a gun and killed the man who had bullied her and the manager and is now in prison.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: Cbsteffen on April 27, 2015, 10:11:52 am
I feel for you Cbsteffen, but I don't think a pre-employment test is a practical solution.  We need to start younger, in school, with sensitivity training and mental health awareness.  Even the assistance people in my town could use it.  So if schools teach the kids the kids will take it home and conversations will be started.  Parents will realize what they're doing and become better people and it'll spiral up from there.  In the meantime we should all be the kindest, best people we can be.  We need to be the change we want to see.  We can change the world this way.  :peace: :highfive: :angel11:

Well, I did do advocacy for a class that studied disabilities mentioning how I got mistreated.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: mjdoug03 on April 27, 2015, 10:25:41 am
I don't think it's realistic to expect people to know every single thing about nay subject, but I definitely agree that more needs to be done.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: Cbsteffen on April 27, 2015, 10:39:35 am
I don't think it's realistic to expect people to know every single thing about any subject, but I definitely agree that more needs to be done.

Yes, it does sound harsh, but I want the only way to pass a test like that to be to answer all of the questions right for everyone's safety and respect for every disabled individual. Many people who had a leadership position and did not clearly know what it's like to have autism hurt my emotions really badly and got away with that. Don't find anything I am saying unheard of. I remember in an Applied Technology class I had to take in middle school, there was an unofficial 20 question test you had to answer every question correctly on in order to earn the right to operate machinery because anybody can get mangled by any mechanical apparatus and wind up in the hospital if he or she doesn't know literally everything about operating machinery properly.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: madeara on April 27, 2015, 10:53:38 am
I partially agree with you.  However some people can't express their knowledge well in a testing situation.  In many situations, the level of knowledge that a person may have is not known completely until the person is really doing the actual work.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: hawkeye3210 on April 27, 2015, 02:39:53 pm
I don't think it's realistic to expect people to know every single thing about any subject, but I definitely agree that more needs to be done.

Yes, it does sound harsh, but I want the only way to pass a test like that to be to answer all of the questions right for everyone's safety and respect for every disabled individual. Many people who had a leadership position and did not clearly know what it's like to have autism hurt my emotions really badly and got away with that. Don't find anything I am saying unheard of. I remember in an Applied Technology class I had to take in middle school, there was an unofficial 20 question test you had to answer every question correctly on in order to earn the right to operate machinery because anybody can get mangled by any mechanical apparatus and wind up in the hospital if he or she doesn't know literally everything about operating machinery properly.

Taking a test to operate machinery isn't remotely similar.

Most people in a leadership position won't have an employee with autism. I don't. The cost to implement some universal test would be enormous. It's just not practical. Something like this would be up to the company to implement.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: svetka05 on April 27, 2015, 03:33:45 pm
I lean more toward disagreeing about the issue. If a person went to school and got all certificates and all documents to work plus experience, that by itself is enough to say that the person deserves the job and does not need additional testing. I do agree that the IQ test would be a good idea to give to students or kids who are starting school to see where their level of understanding is. I know that there are people with learning disabilities out there. I personally have a friend and my own sister who are struggling with learning disabilitiy and its hard but they both have a job according to their level of understanding and strength.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 27, 2015, 04:10:01 pm
I feel for you Cbsteffen, but I don't think a pre-employment test is a practical solution.  We need to start younger, in school, with sensitivity training and mental health awareness.  Even the assistance people in my town could use it.  So if schools teach the kids the kids will take it home and conversations will be started.  Parents will realize what they're doing and become better people and it'll spiral up from there.  In the meantime we should all be the kindest, best people we can be.  We need to be the change we want to see.  We can change the world this way.  :peace: :highfive: :angel11:

It is not the school's responsibility to teach kids how to act.  It is the parent's place to do this.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 27, 2015, 04:13:21 pm
I watch a lot of the shows on Investigation Discovery.  Yesterday there was an episode about an Asian woman who was a hard worker at a grocery store, but one employee would hassle her constantly.  It had gone on for months until finally, in frustration, she blurted out a threat to him. b He went to the manager, and the manager, as he had before, took the abuser's side and fired the woman.  She had been in a terrible depression, but that was the last straw.  Because of her culture, this was perceived as bringing irreparable shame to her family.  She got a gun and killed the man who had bullied her and the manager and is now in prison.

AND ... she deserves to be in prison.   
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: countrygirl12 on April 27, 2015, 04:19:36 pm
I don't think it's realistic to expect people to know every single thing about any subject, but I definitely agree that more needs to be done.

Yes, it does sound harsh, but I want the only way to pass a test like that to be to answer all of the questions right for everyone's safety and respect for every disabled individual. Many people who had a leadership position and did not clearly know what it's like to have autism hurt my emotions really badly and got away with that. Don't find anything I am saying unheard of. I remember in an Applied Technology class I had to take in middle school, there was an unofficial 20 question test you had to answer every question correctly on in order to earn the right to operate machinery because anybody can get mangled by any mechanical apparatus and wind up in the hospital if he or she doesn't know literally everything about operating machinery properly.

Scoring 100% on a test to operate machinery is not the same thing as expecting someone to know every law concerning disability.  It seems like you are just looking for a reason to get your feelings hurt.  Like I said before whatever was said that hurt your feelings most likely had nothing to do with a supposed disability.  Most people who say they have autism or their parents say they have autism you would never know it unless someone told you. 

I saw a man at Walmart berating an employee because HE needed a riding wheel chair and was mad because they were all in use.  I just shook my head.  What makes him think he is more special or needs the chairs more than the others who are already using them?  Sadly most people in the world are just like he is.  They basically expect everyone to bow down and cater to them.  And that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Respect for Disabled Individuals
Post by: Cbsteffen on May 25, 2015, 06:55:18 pm
I did some more thinking and decided that only a test would sound too premature. I thought making the law also require whomever plans to study a career about leadership in any school to take a class about disabilities. That class might or might not be called Individuals with Disabilities.