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Another shooting spree. This one was in Orlando, Florida on June 12, 2016. The shooter was supposedly bi-polar and called 911 to "pledge allegiance to ISIS" before walking into a gay bar and killing many people.
It's another "guns in the hands of mentally ill people" issue.
When I delivered my first child.....
I realized that everyone is someone's child; therefore, I feel love and compassion for those who are feeling the impact of this situation.
What are your thoughts about all this?
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Of course most think it is quite sad.But unless you have a loved one directly involved in the situation most will just have it fade away....until the next shooting.And you can bet your life that that will happen again until God Almighty has decided to put this satanic manmade system in oblivion!!
Psalm 37:10
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A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found.
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Whether on our soil or anywhere else - a mass shooting is sad and sick. I feel for those families who now mourn the loss of their loved ones and I pray for all to WAKE UP and realize the current administration LED BY THE USURPER is the cause!!!!! He should be dragged out in shackles and chains and hung from the highest tree for all to see how America deals with treason!!!!!!!!!
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I, too, agree that this is a very sad situation. I do, however, believe that this terrorist attack has finally awoken the LGBT community to the fact that they are targets of the "religion of peace." Unfortunately, it took a terrorist attack such as this one, on OUR soil, to make them realize the full impact. I'm very happy to say that the LGBT community in Phoenix announced that they are now backing Trump for the Presidency because, they said, "enough is enough." I agree with them wholeheartedly and welcome them in to the fold.
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I feel so sad for those that have lost loved ones. When is this going to end Our president can nor nor will he admit we have problems from within from the Islam factor. All he can do is blame it on guns. He is so adamit about taking guns away from those who are peace loving people. He needs to start at the bottom and take them away from the bottom feeders. and let us protect ourselves.
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:( a lot of crazy people in this world we live in.
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I do not buy the "mentally ill" crap. Nor the "bi-polar" nonsense. It is a cop out. It is an excuse used to excuse the behavior.
People can do whatever they want and then claim they are mentally ill and get away with it.
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I think the whole law should be changed, anyone can say mentally illness and get away with it, What about the other, should they deserve to be killed? I do pray for the family that are being hurt.
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I don't know what to say but I don't blame the gun it the man that did it not the gun Hilller will blame it on the gun .but that is like blaming the car when some one run over some one
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I only live about one 1hr and 45mins away from Orlando and this was too close to home for me. It kind of does not feel real. I think the US is playing some part in these mass shootings because it is happening way to often without real consequences. It seems life has no value and the people who do this basically get away with it cause all we end up doing is praying for the victims.
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The mentally ill thing is just what the PC crowd will use to deflect the issue that this was another radical terrorist attack on American soil.
And Trump is just talking "crazy talk" by wanting to secure our borders,huh? He can't get elected fast enough,IMO.
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I'm sickened by the brutal slayings of innocent people! This country needs to stand together as one and take charge! Our president does absolutely nothing except to speak about gun control. Do something about it you SOB!! Maybe he is secretly part of the terrorist acts? Sickens me beyond believe and this is why I will NEVER vote again and be political. They are ALL A-holes in my book! #freedomofspeech (#post_freedomofspeech)
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People! People! STOP the blame game. We can blame it on guns, on our President the mental ill, but I agree with hitch0403, God is coming back soon, so get ready get ready!!!
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Of course it's quite sad. Unfortunately, I'm becoming somewhat inured to these kind of tragedies. I never thought that would happen to me, but it has. :(
When you hear about something horrid (mass shootings) so often, it doesn't mean as much to you. You become much less affected by it. This is especially true if it occurs far away from you.
I would imagine there are others that feel the same as I do.
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I started to watch the hearing on Visa Overstays and National Security....did you know that there are "only" 782,000 overstays in this country? That leaves 11,281,000 ILLEGALS in this country who are criminals because they break the immigration laws of this country. It wouldn't happen in other countries. Those countries throw you in jail or deport you immediately. Some countries even shoot you for sneaking into their country.
As to the subject at hand, the Dems jumped on the gun control bandwagon immediately again. So, the guy was cleared in all background checks and security clearances. It has come out that he was a regular at not only Pulse but other LBGT night clubs over the past few years. What does that tell you? He may have been a closet LBGT and hated the idea since he was a Muslim. It's NOT the gun, it's the person behind the gun. Assault weapons cannot be bought by the public, only by the military and police. The shooter DID NOT have an assault weapon. People need to learn the difference between rifles and assault weapons. Just because they may look like an AK-47 does not make them one.
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AWH I love my America. If ya don't like it leave it. I love to go to the dance halls.
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People! People! STOP the blame game. We can blame it on guns, on our President the mental ill, but I agree with hitch0403, God is coming back soon, so get ready get ready!!!
Thanx Ghunter.Almighty God doesnt act fast enuff for many....i am guilty feeling that way too but i know deep down inside if a loving God created mankind and the universe HE cant be happy about what HE has seen!
For 6000 yrs God has given mankind and satan to prove they can govern themselves apart from HIS rule.The facts DONT lie.
Man has dominated himself to his own injury says scripture in bible!Eccl 8:9
“To earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.
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This is a truly sad and devastating tragedy. When I heard about it, I had no words. Even now the words I have feel insufficient. It is, however, hopeful to see people coming together in light of what happened, donating blood, money, their time to try to ease the suffering of the victims and their families.
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Really sad that people have so much hate in their hearts. I think radical Islam is a problem. I think you'd have to be dumb to not think so.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
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Paints there is another term for it in Book of Revelation....its called "Babylon the Great"!!
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a very sad situation for a lot of people...people think they can say something like the bi polar thing and get away with it...sad for all involved
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
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I suggest you take a look at World War II Hawkeye and see so many that called themselves xtians <Catholics & Protestants>didnt exactly HEED Jesus advice......
You will know you are my followers if you have love among yourselves!!
Babylon The Great means the false empire of christendom that claims to follow Christ but is soooooooooo far removed from it as shown in their teachings and actions!!
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I suggest you take a look at World War II Hawkeye and see so many that called themselves xtians <Catholics & Protestants>didnt exactly HEED Jesus advice......
You will know you are my followers if you have love among yourselves!!
Babylon The Great means the false empire of christendom that claims to follow Christ but is soooooooooo far removed from it as shown in their teachings and actions!!
Not the same. They weren't killing in the name of Christianity. Those weren't radicalized Christians who believed that were doing God's work by killing people. That's the issue with radical Islam.
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Thou shall NOT kill!!!
NOT the same!!Gimme a break!!Didnt Bin Ladens puppets think they were gonna be rewarded......how do u know what this maniac in Orlando was thinking?Maybe he thought he was doing his god a favor too.
Those that take up sword die by it......Nothing clearer then that!!
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Thou shall NOT kill!!!
NOT the same!!Gimme a break!!Didnt Bin Ladens puppets think they were gonna be rewarded......how do u know what this maniac in Orlando was thinking?Maybe he thought he was doing his god a favor too.
Those that take up sword die by it......Nothing clearer then that!!
"Thou shall not kill" is a commandment. Correct. Nothing to do with anything. Please tell me how Christians were carrying out teachings from the bible in WWII?
In contract, Islamic radicals want Sharia Law or Islamic Law taken from the Quran. Homosexuality is illegal under Sharia, with the punishment being death. In the radicalized view, the shooter in Orlando was carrying out the will of Allah.
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People! People! STOP the blame game. We can blame it on guns, on our President the mental ill, but I agree with hitch0403, God is coming back soon, so get ready get ready!!!
The only problem is Christians had that mentality millennia ago as well. Both Peter and Paul wrote epistles reminding them that the Day of the Lord can arrive at any time and we must always be ready for His arrival. But at the same time it could be 1,000 years from now and we can't just hide our heads in the sand waiting for Him to return.
If we had that mindset during WWII, we'd all be speaking German right now!
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Hawkeye what ru talking about?I am NOT defending those that called themselves xtians during WWII!
When Jesus spoke of his true followers having love among themselves the so called xtians werent exactly obeying that command.Not to repeat myself the phrase "Babylon the Great"means false empire of christendom...IOW what satan and mankind have built up NOT what Jesus taught.
You see what Jesus told the Pharissees!They said they worshiped God...Jesus told them they served satan.So does christendom today.Just because 1 calls themselves a xtian doesnt mean in Gods eyes they are.
A good tree produces good fruit....a rotten tree produces rotten fruit.You will be able to tell the same with a TRUE xtian and in the case of Jesus even tho he proved beyond a doubt HE was Gods son and backed up everything he taught with his life....they still killed him cos HE exposed their LIES!!!
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People! People! STOP the blame game. We can blame it on guns, on our President the mental ill, but I agree with hitch0403, God is coming back soon, so get ready get ready!!!
The only problem is Christians had that mentality millennia ago as well. Both Peter and Paul wrote epistles reminding them that the Day of the Lord can arrive at any time and we must always be ready for His arrival. But at the same time it could be 1,000 years from now and we can't just hide our heads in the sand waiting for Him to return.
If we had that mindset during WWII, we'd all be speaking German right now!
3 While humans can be long-suffering, Jehovah is the supreme example of this quality. In the years since sin disturbed the relationship between Jehovah and his human creation, our Creator has shown patient endurance and has provided the means whereby repentant humans can improve their relationship with him. (2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 4:10) But when his long-suffering has achieved its purpose, God will take action against willful wrongdoers, bringing the present wicked system to an end.—2 Peter 3:7.
James 4:4
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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People! People! STOP the blame game. We can blame it on guns, on our President the mental ill, but I agree with hitch0403, God is coming back soon, so get ready get ready!!!
The only problem is Christians had that mentality millennia ago as well. Both Peter and Paul wrote epistles reminding them that the Day of the Lord can arrive at any time and we must always be ready for His arrival. But at the same time it could be 1,000 years from now and we can't just hide our heads in the sand waiting for Him to return.
If we had that mindset during WWII, we'd all be speaking German right now!
3 While humans can be long-suffering, Jehovah is the supreme example of this quality. In the years since sin disturbed the relationship between Jehovah and his human creation, our Creator has shown patient endurance and has provided the means whereby repentant humans can improve their relationship with him. (2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 4:10) But when his long-suffering has achieved its purpose, God will take action against willful wrongdoers, bringing the present wicked system to an end.—2 Peter 3:7.
So, I don't get this. Against my better judgement, I'm gonna ask: Are you saying it's wrong for us to have stood up to Germany in WWII? We were just supposed to let the Holocaust happen? Let Hitler take over the world?
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Hawkeye what ru talking about?I am NOT defending those that called themselves xtians during WWII!
When Jesus spoke of his true followers having love among themselves the so called xtians werent exactly obeying that command.Not to repeat myself the phrase "Babylon the Great"means false empire of christendom...IOW what satan and mankind have built up NOT what Jesus taught.
You see what Jesus told the Pharissees!They said they worshiped God...Jesus told them they served satan.So does christendom today.Just because 1 calls themselves a xtian doesnt mean in Gods eyes they are.
A good tree produces good fruit....a rotten tree produces rotten fruit.You will be able to tell the same with a TRUE xtian and in the case of Jesus even tho he proved beyond a doubt HE was Gods son and backed up everything he taught with his life....they still killed him cos HE exposed their LIES!!!
You compared Christians killing in WWII to radical Islams killing today. I pointed out the difference. I have no idea what got you so sidetracked.
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Hawkeye what ru talking about?I am NOT defending those that called themselves xtians during WWII!
When Jesus spoke of his true followers having love among themselves the so called xtians werent exactly obeying that command.Not to repeat myself the phrase "Babylon the Great"means false empire of christendom...IOW what satan and mankind have built up NOT what Jesus taught.
You see what Jesus told the Pharissees!They said they worshiped God...Jesus told them they served satan.So does christendom today.Just because 1 calls themselves a xtian doesnt mean in Gods eyes they are.
A good tree produces good fruit....a rotten tree produces rotten fruit.You will be able to tell the same with a TRUE xtian and in the case of Jesus even tho he proved beyond a doubt HE was Gods son and backed up everything he taught with his life....they still killed him cos HE exposed their LIES!!!
You compared Christians killing in WWII to radical Islams killing today. I pointed out the difference. I have no idea what got you so sidetracked.
I should explain hitch as a JW has a somewhat aberrant view of what Christianity ought to be. That might explain things somewhat.
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JJ you are supposed to support bible?Doesnt God say,vengeance is mine?Again what did Jesus say when Peter cut the ear off of the soldier?
Look,i know where u r coming from.The answer is remaining neutral.Of course if someone breaks into your house and u must defend yourself i think God would understand that or if u were in a store and a terrorist was about to shoot the place up you must defend yourself too or take cover.Dont forget many died NOT bowing down to Hitler!!They knew God would remember them.What did Jesus say was greatest act of love?Giving up your life for others.Too bad many are brain-washed to give it up for the selfish reasons of others and its made to look otherwise!!
You can still love God and neighbor....obey the laws and pay taxes and NOT have to kill for the sake of being BSed!!
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Orlando makes my heartbreak. People out just having a good time when something like that happens. There but for the grace of God go I.
3 times since Obama has been in office the Dems have tried to put back into effect the law banning assault weapons, blocked by republicans every time. There is no reason for people to have assault/machine guns except to kill people. Our family has a lot of hunters, we own guns for hunting. So I am not against guns.
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
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JJ you are supposed to support bible?Doesnt God say,vengeance is mine?Again what did Jesus say when Peter cut the ear off of the soldier?
Look,i know where u r coming from.The answer is remaining neutral.Of course if someone breaks into your house and u must defend yourself i think God would understand that or if u were in a store and a terrorist was about to shoot the place up you must defend yourself too or take cover.Dont forget many died NOT bowing down to Hitler!!They knew God would remember them.What did Jesus say was greatest act of love?Giving up your life for others.Too bad many are brain-washed to give it up for the selfish reasons of others and its made to look otherwise!!
You can still love God and neighbor....obey the laws and pay taxes and NOT have to kill for the sake of being BSed!!
Stopping the Holocaust isn't an act of vengeance. Vengeance refers to an act of revenge or retribution. Stopping Hitler meant saving innocent lifes, not vengeance.
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So what did you stop?Millions died in the wars!!
What about innocent that died in A-Bomb?That was ok cos of Pearl Harbor right?
Not sure what u believe in Hawkeye but seriously,do you think a God of love would approve of all thats gone on in Mankinds history?
And of course if you dont believe in a higher power i would expect your answer to be let the best man win when it comes to war!
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So sad....
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I think it is horrible and terribly sad. Prayers for the family of the victims.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
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JJ you are supposed to support bible?Doesnt God say,vengeance is mine?Again what did Jesus say when Peter cut the ear off of the soldier?
Look,i know where u r coming from.The answer is remaining neutral.Of course if someone breaks into your house and u must defend yourself i think God would understand that or if u were in a store and a terrorist was about to shoot the place up you must defend yourself too or take cover.Dont forget many died NOT bowing down to Hitler!!They knew God would remember them.What did Jesus say was greatest act of love?Giving up your life for others.Too bad many are brain-washed to give it up for the selfish reasons of others and its made to look otherwise!!
You can still love God and neighbor....obey the laws and pay taxes and NOT have to kill for the sake of being BSed!!
God is the same yesterday,today and forever. The same God that commanded Moses and David to war is the same God as today. Obviously, war is not something God wants for His people, but it's the unfortunate result of Fallen Man.
And Jesus gave His Disciples the right to protect themselves.
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied.
Jesus didn't want them armed to protect Himself. He was acting from God's plan. The swords were to protect themselves.
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.
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Why is it okay to have Gay Pride only in the wake of the Orlando shooting? Why do we only come together as a people of world to support homosexuals, to say we are proud to say we know someone who is and support their community ONLY after tragedy has struck them? Any other time it’s ‘they’re sinning,’ ‘they’re damned,’ ‘they’re an affront to the Lord.’ We organize marches against them, pick on them in schools, and deny them simple civil rights where they can’t even declare themselves married because their ‘marriage’ is not what is ‘legally’ accepted as a marriage. We have to 'politically correct' claim their boyfriend/girlfriend is a 'partner' rather than what they really mean to each other. It makes me glad I’m childish and immature. I don’t see color, creed, sexuality, or nationality. I see a person who is a person until their actions dictate otherwise (mainly by killing another person, but even then to me they’ve just lost their battle with evil). I do not judge, even those who have prejudicially judged me, and when they have, I have a child-like faith that tomorrow they will see me different. If they prove me wrong, I have faith, the day after that they will. It’s a shame there aren’t more people like me. We wouldn’t need hate, we wouldn’t need war, and we wouldn’t need killing to remind us we are one people of one world, but because they are not enough like me, there will always be hate, war, and killing since that is the only way anyone can stand united.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
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This isn't a mental issue, this is a terror issue. ISIS is here in this country all ready and will only be getting worse. I have depression, I know others with Bi-Polar. I believe most of the people with mental issues know right from wrong.
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.
Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!
The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!
Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!
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It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.
Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!
I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.
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It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.
Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!
I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.
The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.
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i do not think that he was bipolor or mentally ill. its because that he was brain washed by isis. and he was brain washed to get againist anything that is not there race or religion or sexual orintation.
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It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.
Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!
I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.
The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.
Tell me,does it stink in life to not be understood by people all the time?And if u dont mind me asking<im sure im asking for nonsense here>how do u support bible?
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.
Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!
The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!
Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!
You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.
But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!
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It is you who doesnt listen Hawkeye....when the bible speaks of Babylon The Great,that means ALLLLLLLLLLL religeons!!!You are differentiating between Muslims and so called others that call themselves Xtian.
Governments soon will wipe ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them out!!!Jehovahs people will still be standing.And then they are attacked!It will be like touching Gods eyeball!!
I think you can tell from history of bible the TRUE God stands behind his people.Go read about Pharoah.And please dont waste my time even answering cos i know you dont support bible.
The bible doesn't have anything to do with what I posted. That doesn't mean I don't support the bible either. You're so far off from what I actually said that isn't worth my time.
Tell me,does it stink in life to not be understood by people all the time?And if u dont mind me asking<im sure im asking for nonsense here>how do u support bible?
The problem is you, not me. My post was in regards to the motives behind the killings. You went off about the bible and its teachings. It had nothing to do with my post.
So I went from making a post about a the motives of a shooter in Orlando and now you are questioning my support of the bible. Yet, you can't see how far you've sidetracked the conversation?
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.
Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!
The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!
Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!
You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.
But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!
The whole world lies in power of wicked one.Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world for an act of worship.Man RU blind!!Jesus was killed on Nisan 14 Jewish claendar.That day differs everyyear cos of our calendar.Why dont you read up on how to figure it out every yr with Full moon.Jesus commanded his death be memorialized.Man how can someone as foolish as you NOT see any of this who thinks he knows bible.Your xmas isnt even mentioned or 12/25 but we know every yr Passover.Its ok....i know you are a US rah rah that mixes your BS with bible.Friendship with world is enmity with God says bible.Wake-up!!
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Hawkeye again you questioned 2 different religeons.....i brought bible teachings in 2 show how God feels about Babylon The Great which covers ALL OF THEM!
You have other issues here in NY right now Re children sexually abused and looking for statue of limitations extended.There is CORRUPTION in all of them and bible says eventually God will punish them.I am not trying to tell u which religeon is the most corrupt.By Jehovahs view...they all are cos they claim to teach bible but DONT!!
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This was terrible and I just don't have the words -- I am sending prayers to all involved --
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Hawkeye again you questioned 2 different religeons.....i brought bible teachings in 2 show how God feels about Babylon The Great which covers ALL OF THEM!
You have other issues here in NY right now Re children sexually abused and looking for statue of limitations extended.There is CORRUPTION in all of them and bible says eventually God will punish them.I am not trying to tell u which religeon is the most corrupt.By Jehovahs view...they all are cos they claim to teach bible but DONT!!
I never questioned any religion. In fact, there's not even a question in my post. Just a statement about the world today. Actually read my original post.
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
But, as with most threads, you tried to steer the conversation in a direction were you could tell me how your religious beliefs were right and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure if it's your own insecurity in your own beliefs, or if you are just incapable of having an adult conversation.
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But, as with most threads, you tried to steer the conversation in a direction were you could tell me how your religious beliefs were right and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure if it's your own insecurity in your own beliefs, or if you are just incapable of having an adult conversation.
First off,i didnt write bible,i was taught it.Its fine with me if you disagree what i have been taught.Very obvious you do!
Jehovah is God!!!Does that sound like i am insecure?
You cant even mention ones name....you have the problem!!And yes i guess i am incapable of having a conversation with 1 with as big a chip on their shoulder as you.I need to remind myself its not worth it!!
I would bet before i ever address you again...you will seek me!!
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I haven't agreed or disagreed with anything you have said in regards to religion. You've been having a one sided conversation with yourself.
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I haven't agreed or disagreed with anything you have said in regards to religion. You've been having a one sided conversation with yourself.
That was too EZ!!!
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
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JJ it is you who hasnt a clue.
Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of the world......not sure how u tie in thinking u understand bible and still wave a flag for good ol usa.
Hes also made GODs name known as mentioned in Lords prayer!!Hes also sent out his followers preaching/teaching in over 240 lands Gods kingdom!!
You bring up worldly garbage like xmas etc....stuff thats NOT even in bible.And you say i dont understand what xtian means!!LOL!!
Some good advice.Wake-up from your star-trek fantasy world and realize there are some serious issues here in the real world!!
Your insults avail you nothing hitch. Wake up and realize you're the one not living in the real world. You live in AMERICA. And you ought to thank God EVERY DAY that people fought and died to found this country so you can have the freedom to spew your nonsense. While you're at it, thank God that you don't live in one of the several countries that would execute you for believing what you do.
Insults...LOL!The truth M'Boy!!What is freedom in this country that other countrys dont have?To smoke pot in Colo?To see gays married?To buys guns?I obey the laws,pay my taxes,honor God and try to love my neighbor!You thank your Babylon the Great god for your Rah Rah USA wars!!I know Jehovah didnt approve of them.And yes someday i might have to die for the truth NOT this dumb satanic world you worship.You insult God by everything you just said.Certainly NOT your god of this system....u play right into his hands.You dont see what Jehovahs visible organization has done over the years.You know why?Cos your heart condition isnt acceptable to JEHOVAH!!!What is your gods name......."i am".....LOL!!!!Ill tell you...Its Satan!!!Ruler of this world that Jesus said he was NO part of .Glorify it......go bow down to your flag!!!
The USA is a modern day Sodom!!!And you worship it and then try to say you understand the bible!!The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom <government>thru HIS son Jesus and the VINDICATION Jehovah is the TRUE GOD!!!
Stop wasting your time on me.Go prepare for your July 4th celebration and be careful playing in traffic with your flag!!
You have the right to criticize your country's government and continue calling it satanic in America. Good luck trying to do that in several countries elsewhere. No earthly government is going to be perfect. But the U.S was founded on Christian principles. "One Nation Under God". That's what we celebrate. Not our nation's leaders. Read a history book sometime. Preferably one not authored by the Watchtower.
But we've gone over this a thousand times,hitch. You're theology makes no sense. You compared a blessed day like Christmas, where we celebrate the glorious birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, to paganism because it was established to rival a pagan feast. Yet when your Memorial lands on any day of the week, by your own logic, you're celebrating paganism! Your Memorial landed on Wednesday this year, correct? Then you just celebrated Odin! The Nose god whom Wednesday was named! Such Hypocrisy that the Pharisees themselves would blush!
The whole world lies in power of wicked one.Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world for an act of worship.Man RU blind!!Jesus was killed on Nisan 14 Jewish claendar.That day differs everyyear cos of our calendar.Why dont you read up on how to figure it out every yr with Full moon.Jesus commanded his death be memorialized.Man how can someone as foolish as you NOT see any of this who thinks he knows bible.Your xmas isnt even mentioned or 12/25 but we know every yr Passover.Its ok....i know you are a US rah rah that mixes your BS with bible.Friendship with world is enmity with God says bible.Wake-up!!
And again as usual, I refer you back to scripture where the Apostle Paul says:
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
Romans 14:5-6
You are judging hypocritically. The scriptures do not forbid celebrating Christ's Birth. Remember, Judge not, lest you be judged.
And it makes no difference what day of the week, day,month of the year we celebrate.As long as-and again I quote Paul: Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
You continue to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.
That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this line of argument. That people that profess to be Christians can commit atrocities? Uh, yeah. It can't be denied. But Christianity doesn't have terrorist cells that organize high scale attacks on peaceful foreign nations. That's kind of a big difference between both religion's "radicals".
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JJ to save time i have put up a link RE your scripture in Romans RE what Paul said.......i also wanna mention if Bin Laden thought 9/11 was special i guess the Lord approves eh......cos u know Bin Laden certainly did,plus i am sure he thought his god did too!
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2011/12/examining-romans-146.html
Much of that scripture was meant for Mosaic law that changed after Jesus was killed.You forget how many wanted to punish Jesus when he cured someone on the Sabbath and then he told them they would save their mule if it fell in a ditch.
Your heart is NOT acceptable to God...thats why you dont discern.....you decide for yourself what is good and bad as satan told Eve.Pagan gods originate with your thinking.Something detestable to Jehovah.
I would also like to add you asked me to go read some history books?Well first off i reference everything from the bible and there have been some references from Encyclopedia Brit!!YES...even about Xmas!!Did the WB&TS write the encyclopedia too???Seriously JJ,as i said you mix your BS with bible!!Is your religeon <whatever it is>keeping Gods name HOLY and preaching worldwide Gods kingdom???
You are a USA RAH RAH!!
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You can't seriously equate Bin Ladin killing thousands to Christians celebrating Christmas,can you? That was Bin Ladin's "special day" to honor the Lord? A bit different from opening gifts and hanging lights,eh? If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to spell it out for you.
Again, regarding your overriding fear of paganism, you are being overly paranoid where there's no reason to be. Christians celebrate Christmas to honor the Lord. Just because it wasn't commanded in Scripture doesn't mean it's forbidden. Again, I refer to Romans 14.
You are misinterpreting James 4:4 "You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God."
That doesn't mean we're forbidden from cerebrating birthdays and civic holidays. It means we're not to adopt the behaviors that the world deems acceptable, when God clearly states it's not.
A good example is homosexuality. The world at large will shun you for saying it's an "Abomination" in the sight of God. But as a Christian, I can't just go along and say "Well, the majority thinks it's 'OK' now. They must be right." I have stay true to God's Word. Again I say, you're clinging to the letter of the law and not the heart of the law.
And again, it could be anything. Fornication, Prostitution, Pornography, whatever. You become an enemy of God when you advocate things the world accepts as 'OK' when God has prohibited it.
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Celebrations that have arised from pagan gods is whats detestable to God.He doesnt say mankind shouldnt be happy Jesus was born.The angel Gabriel rejoiced to the shepards when he was born.We know every yr the date of Passover cos Jesus commanded to us to remember it.There is no date in bible when he was born.If that was important enuff i am sure God would have included it.
RE Bin Laden.RU kidding me!!He BSed his people they would be in paradise with allah for their BS!!Yes i would very much equate if you wanna use ANY date surely 9/11 was 1 for him to celebrate to his god!!
You can have celebrations etc...but when they have their roots with false gods...the bible says stop touching the unclean thing.
Its also like some like to use a cross,statue for when they pray.God is very VOCAL about NOT bowing down to dead things.Jesus said worship God with spirit and truth only!!
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So sad
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This is very sad
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.
That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.
Hawkeye, this was being reported as "the largest mass shooting in US history."
A cursory Google search will tell you that's not true.
Radical Islam is the current bogeyman.
If you check through US history, we've had a long line of bogeymen.
The question is, why?
Who profits?
ISIS is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.
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I have spent my career (35 years) providing treatment to folks with chronic mental illness. Out of the thousands I've worked with, I can only remember one that I thought was violence waiting to happen. I think we like to blame this sort of thing on Mental Illness. It helps us make some sense of it. It is really about a far more basic human problem and that is hatred and evilness. Traits that can live deep within all of us.
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.
That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.
Hawkeye, this was being reported as "the largest mass shooting in US history."
A cursory Google search will tell you that's not true.
Radical Islam is the current bogeyman.
If you check through US history, we've had a long line of bogeymen.
The question is, why?
Who profits?
ISIS is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.
The UN has declared that ISIS is guilty of genocide against Yazidis. Yes, genocide. This happening right now in world today and not in some history textbook. But its not just ISIS. Al-Qaida, Boko Haram, Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, etc. are all Radical Islam groups.
Yes, the Klan was a horrific group that was guilty of many horrific crimes. They killed almost 3,960 African Americans between 1877 to 1950. It's a dark make in American history, and is thankfully largely irrelevant today.
Now, ISIS and similar ilk are killing tens of thousands today, but warrant no special attention? Just the bogeyman?
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Celebrations that have arised from pagan gods is whats detestable to God.He doesnt say mankind shouldnt be happy Jesus was born.The angel Gabriel rejoiced to the shepards when he was born.We know every yr the date of Passover cos Jesus commanded to us to remember it.There is no date in bible when he was born.If that was important enuff i am sure God would have included it.
RE Bin Laden.RU kidding me!!He BSed his people they would be in paradise with allah for their BS!!Yes i would very much equate if you wanna use ANY date surely 9/11 was 1 for him to celebrate to his god!!
You can have celebrations etc...but when they have their roots with false gods...the bible says stop touching the unclean thing.
Its also like some like to use a cross,statue for when they pray.God is very VOCAL about NOT bowing down to dead things.Jesus said worship God with spirit and truth only!!
No one who celebrates Christmas is celebrating pagan gods! They're Celebrating J E S U S!!!!!
JESUS!!!!!
Bin Ladin didn't even believe in the Christian God to begin with, so I don't know why he's even part of this conversation. He's where he belongs now.
Christians don't worship statues, but owning a piece of art that resembles biblical scenes or characters isn't the same as bowing down to idols.
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I don't think it has anything to do with guns. I can agree with fully automatic weapons being outlawed, but even then, they will get their hands on those guns just the way they will other guns. Other than that, this makes me think about how people say they want to pull out soldiers back from overseas. They don't realize that we fight the fight over there so we won't have to fight it here. This is a taste of that.
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Xmas has its roots with a pagan god worship.
Bin Laden worshipped who he thought was his god...yes he was wrong but so was satan what he said too!
Try walking in a catholic church someday during mass.....you will see many bowing down to DEAD images!!
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Prayers for the families in Orlando!
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.
That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.
ISIS is a direct result of US actions in the middle east.
Most Muslims, like most Christians, are peaceful.
The difference between ISIS and the KKK is that the KKK has gone mainstream. They've infiltrated the military, the police and all levels of government.
And the military, police and governmental death toll outweighs ISIS by millions.
The media is owned by six corporations. They all point to radical Islam. They all said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Its been proven that he didn't.
So, why believe them now?
Why accept at face value, anything the media or the government tells you?
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Before we go blaming radical Islam, we might want to check radical Christianity.
The anti-gay rhetoric is the same. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/sacramento-baptist-preacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
And don't you find that 911 call just a little suspicious?
Radical Christians aren't committing mass murder all over the planet. The actions of radical Islam speaks louder than the "rhetoric" of some radical Christians.
It amazes me how some will rush to blame Christianity over gay wedding cakes, but caution us from blaming Islam over the mass murder of 49 individuals at a gay bar.
They weren't targeted because of the attackers' religion. They were targeted because they were gay.
And the rhetoric against gays has been most vocal among so-called Christians. I've also heard the same anti-gay speeches from Muslims and from Hasidic Jews.
Who needs radical Christians to commit murder all over the planet? We have the US military for that.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria. We're there.
"Radical Islam" fits the narrative for perpetual war. Targeting gays does not.
Yes, they were attacked because they were gay, which is against the attackers religion with the penalty being death. It's both.
So, if a Christian targets a group of people for death because who they are, or what they do, is against his religion, do we call it radical Christianity? Do we call him a Christian terrorist? Do we say he was "radicalized" by whatever group? And do we then call for war against that group?
We don't.
Christians aren't targeting groups and committing mass murder in the name of Christianity. That's the point. If they were, you wouldn't need to get so outraged over wedding cakes. There would be bigger issues.
Which really begs the question how you can be so outraged at Christianity over things like wedding cakes and birth control, but want to give Islam the benefit of the doubt in regards to mass murder? You did the same thing after the Paris attacks. Defended Islam and turned it into an attack on Christianity. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.
That's silly. It's not Christianity that outrages me.
It's the utter and complete hypocrisy.
And yes, we have Christian terrorists in this country, killing people in the name of their religion.
How many abortion clinics have been shot up, firebombed, and people killed, in the name of some idiots' religious beliefs?
How many LGBT people have been beat up or killed?
How many black/brown people have been targeted/lynched/murdered by nominal christians?
How many Native Americans have been targeted because of who they were?
Preach white male supremacy from the pulpit, and you get dead people.
Preach anti-gay in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get dead people.
Preach anti-woman garbage in your legislatures, and from your pulpits, you get rapists who get off with probation, if they ever make it to court at all. And you get dead women.
I don't care about cakes. Bake or don't bake, but own it.
There's been 11 deaths in connection to abortion clinic shootings since 1990. A radical Islamist just killed 49 in Orlando. Including Orlando, in the past week radical Islamists have killed at 398 people in more than a dozen countries.
That's the comparison you want to make? Over 27,000 killings last year alone by Islamic radicals and we shouldn't rush to blame radical Islam? Christianity isn't free from its own faults, but let's not act like its comparable.
ISIS is a direct result of US actions in the middle east.
Most Muslims, like most Christians, are peaceful.
The difference between ISIS and the KKK is that the KKK has gone mainstream. They've infiltrated the military, the police and all levels of government.
And the military, police and governmental death toll outweighs ISIS by millions.
The media is owned by six corporations. They all point to radical Islam. They all said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Its been proven that he didn't.
So, why believe them now?
Why accept at face value, anything the media or the government tells you?
Are even paying attention to what is going on? The media/government isn't pushing the radical Islam angle. They been doing everything to cover it up. You really can't be serious with that conspiracy theory.
Obama won't blame radical Islam. The state department released the 911 that omitted the parts about Islam and where he pledged allegiance to ISIS. The media pushed the idea that the shooter had a secret gay life and suggested that to be the motive. Only a footnote from the media about the FBI investigation that they found no evidence of any secret gay lifestyle.