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"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow ... Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming ... victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"
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Not sure how I feel about that but I can agree that military resources (my tax dollars) should not be spent on paying for hormones or surgeries for people who want to transition while they are in service.
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maybe join the military, then after you are done figure out what gender you want to be
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I don't care what they do to their bodies, I just don't think we should have to pay for it. I also know it can and does cause some problems when you have so many people in one small area and things like this are going on. The regular women do not want men coming into the women's bathrooms or showers just because they are transgender. If they have gone through the complete change and are no longer able to function as a mail or have the mail parts then the men or women going the other direction might be able to join up, maybe in a special unit. ( I don't know) same way with the gay people. But so special treatment for any of them,
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I feel like this is such a random issue to focus on. Kinda out of left field.
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I wont comment on anything political but it is a crying shame
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I agree that nothing should be allowed that would distract from what the military should be doing.
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I think if they've already under gone the change, already taking whatever medication they need to keep the change going but still want to serve their country, why not? Their chosen gender will decide their placement in the military, and I don't see how their medical cost would be any more so than military personnel with an incurable disease such a cancer. If the military/tax payer doesn't want to pay for the medication needed to continue the transgender status, then make that a clause at the signing contract that the individual will have to fund that expense themselves and it's a choice they make on their own, like someone wanting plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons. Military and tax payers don't pay for that, the individual does.
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I feel like this is such a random issue to focus on. Kinda out of left field.
Bingo. Can you say diversion? He has tried so many other things to avert the public attention away from the real issues at hand the involvement with Russia.
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I agree with Trump. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for sex changes.
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I feel like this is such a random issue to focus on. Kinda out of left field.
Bingo. Can you say diversion? He has tried so many other things to avert the public attention away from the real issues at hand the involvement with Russia.
Smoke and mirrors
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The medical ting is BS. There are so few trans people in the military as is that more of the budget is spent on *bleep* than their medical costs. This is probably just distraction from the healthcare bill
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I read that this issue is linked to funding for the border wall. I'm not certain if it is true or not.
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This is one of the few things that I have agreed with Trump on. I definitely do not think the U.S. taxpayers should be responsible for footing the medical bills for their treatments. Elective surgery should come out of their pocketbooks.
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I totally agree. He's has been distracting from the main issues since day 1.
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I don't think this has anything to do with surgery but his own issues from Gays
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I don't think they should be kicked out or not let in. We need as many people in our military we can get. I don't believe the surgery or hormones should be paid for. When they join they should join as the sex they were born as. There shouldn't be any change until after their service is completed. If their insurance covers it after that it's fine, but don't waste the military's time trying to have elective surgery while enlisted.
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I dont agree with the transgender life-style military or not...but what about all the other bad habits that go along with being in the service and then out of it....like cracking up?
Oh thats right...they could care less then about those not serving anymore!!
NOT singling out TRUMP here.....this has been going on forever with other presidents and i am sure if Hillary won,her as well.
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I don't think this has anything to do with surgery but his own issues from Gays
It had nothing to do with gays.
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Out of the 118,000 retired transgender military personnel and the 11 to 20 thousand now (numbers keep changing) that confirmed it, tax payers have not had to foot the bill. They have to come forward to tell they are transgender, doctors are not allowed to tell because of privacy. There are some pretty high ups that are transgender besides a large number of special forces....we going to just throw them out now because a 5 times draft dodger (who was capable of playing varsity sports and who also kept his own children out) thinks it will distract from his other problems. This sounds like the same baloney we heard for why blacks, women and gays could not serve. That has not caused problems and we should be grateful and proud of any one who chooses to serve our country.
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He's using this transgender issue as diversion tactic from the Russia issue & the health care failure by the republican GOP! I believe the medical sex change costs issues is not a cause of worry because ppl joining the military would've had the procedures done! What person going into the military go in half done?
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my opinion. any one who is willing to die for are country and let us keep our freedoms should be in the military . were talking transgender not gender reassignment . and most insurances do not cover for the medication.
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Out of the 118,000 retired transgender military personnel and the 11 to 20 thousand now (numbers keep changing) that confirmed it, tax payers have not had to foot the bill. They have to come forward to tell they are transgender, doctors are not allowed to tell because of privacy. There are some pretty high ups that are transgender besides a large number of special forces....we going to just throw them out now because a 5 times draft dodger (who was capable of playing varsity sports and who also kept his own children out) thinks it will distract from his other problems. This sounds like the same baloney we heard for why blacks, women and gays could not serve. That has not caused problems and we should be grateful and proud of any one who chooses to serve our country.
No. Obama lifted the transgender ban 7 1/2 years into his presidency. Merely a year later it was reversed. This isn't something Trump came up with out of nowhere. It's politics just like when Obama lifted the ban.
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American taxpayers should not have to foot the bills, the meds, the time away from service, or after service.
Private insurance should have to deal with it.
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VickySue you misspelled "male", its not mail, and as for having transgender not being allowed in the military is not a law, the constitution hasn't said if they can or cannot serve, Trump is a not a constitution, it will take more than him to make that a law, they should be able to go into the service as male or female, but using that as a way of making a change in their gender, while serving is not appropriate.
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Out of the 118,000 retired transgender military personnel and the 11 to 20 thousand now (numbers keep changing) that confirmed it, tax payers have not had to foot the bill.
Hate to disagree, but remember Chelsea Manning? Who paid for that surgery? The taxpayers. Taxpayers also pay prescriptions which, for transgenders, supposedly cost $30K a month. They don't just go through surgery and everything is fine.
I think this is why Trump decided no transgenders in the service (because of the high cost of the meds and because he thinks maybe some of them might want to change while in the service so the taxpayers would have to pay). BTW, it's NOT official. It has to go through Congress. Just because Trump says something doesn't make it a law. That's what checks and balances are for...which Obama never believed in...
I don't like the idea of doctors playing God and they are doing it more and more often. Changing genetics of plants, animals, cloning, and now I think i read where they are experimenting on changing the sex of a fetus if the parents want a different sex. This isn't normal.
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I think out of respect to our military. It is great to see that those who are serving are more focused and have a clear mind while serving and protecting the country and its people. What you do to your body is up to you that can be secondary to the main goal.
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If people with flat feet can't get in because it would cost to much. I think it would cost tons more if they had surgery. My taxes don't need to pay for that.
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I think this is a good decision as the middle class in America cannot afford to keep funding the bill for every type of problem this would cause. Its about time someone stood up and said enough is enough. The general welfare of every human being should be considered and not by catering to a small group.
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This upsets me as well. It's not fair at all to transgenders. They deserve the same rights as everyone else.
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"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow ... Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming ... victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"
Hello! ;D :)
I don't think it is an issue if we agree or not because Trump is going to do whatever it is that he wants to do. I think this is a diversion of some sort. I don't think Trump really ever have our best intrest at heart. Focus on what really matters not this diversion. :bs: :heart: :rose:
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Distraction, Distraction, the man is crazy
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I believe he speaks without thinking about what he is saying
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Be allowed to join, but not serve in combat roles and the government should not have to pay for their personal lifestyle decisions with our tax dollars. It seems many of them join just to get their operations paid for, which isn't fair to others who may need real help. They also miss many days when they have operations which is really not fair to those who have to fill in for them 8)
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This moron gets more ridiculous by the day. I wonder if he would have the same perspective if those same transgendered persons saved his sorry *bleep* from an attempted assassination from ISIS.
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I feel like this is such a random issue to focus on. Kinda out of left field.
Bingo. Can you say diversion? He has tried so many other things to avert the public attention away from the real issues at hand the involvement with Russia.
Boy, do I agree with both of you! The only thing I would add is that anything to do with such a decision should not be paid for with tax dollars. This is a personal decision and it needs to come out of personal money, not military or other health benefits.
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This is one of the few things that I have agreed with Trump on. I definitely do not think the U.S. taxpayers should be responsible for footing the medical bills for their treatments. Elective surgery should come out of their pocketbooks.
Curious, do you approve of taxpayers paying for *bleep* for the men in the military? We are paying for it.
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i think its crazy,,,,, :peace:
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This has nothing to do with a transgender getting surgeries or anything of that nature. It's the fact that they are being denied the right to serve the country. What about the many transgender folk that are already bravely serving right now? Denying this right gives the US less servicemen and women out there. How does this make us safer?
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No thoughts on the decision Trump made. I am sure there is a major reason for not allowing transgender individuals into the Military.
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The morbidly obese, handicapped, mentally ill, medically unfit, etc can't serve either.....so what?
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You have to be 100% My son couldn't get in because he has glaucoma in his one eye. They leave no room for error.
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Insurance or tax money should not pay for sex change
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What a discriminatory idiot!
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It's funny how our government spends more in defense than the next 10 countries combined, but when it comes to paying for sex changes, that's where they feel the line is.
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Is anyone really surprised when the Donald allows his own personal issues to pollute this country? He's good at advertising the fact that he'll fire anyone who doesn't agree with him. He's good at making us aware that he has a problem with Muslims and now....
he wants to ban a certain group of people from serving in the military?
Where's the gratitude for their willingness to serve?
He's a pathetic individual and this has nothing to do with political affiliation. :peace:
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The morbidly obese, handicapped, mentally ill, medically unfit, etc can't serve either.....so what?
Exactly. Not everyone is able to serve our country.
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I'd be concerned if they could. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It wasn't until the 60's that people started doing things to their body to resemble the opposite sex. Just because a guy turns his outie into an innie and got a boob job doesn't make him anything but a modified man.
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This was a good decision on Trump's part. There are plenty of medical problems that make a person disqualified from serving, even relatively minor things like flat feet. Certainly, costly transgender surgery and medications would be a much bigger burden on the taxpayer, as well as cause a lot of disruption with time off for surgeries, etc. There's also the fact that not accepting your biological gender is really a mental disorder, and certainly mental problems should be a disqualification. Soldiers have to be a mentally and physically fit as possible if you want a strong capable military, and there should be no room for social experimentation and biology changes. You also have morale issues, with women not wanting biological males in their bathrooms, even when they're pretending to be females. The whole thing is just one big mess. The transgender numbers are hugely inflated (if they're not, then we have a huge epidemic of mental disorder in this country!), especially in the military, just to confuse the issue.
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I'd be concerned if they could. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It wasn't until the 60's that people started doing things to their body to resemble the opposite sex. Just because a guy turns his outie into an innie and got a boob job doesn't make him anything but a modified man.
Exactly. Anyway, Trump took the advice of his military advisers, so it's not like he dreamed this up to offend trans. So I guess you Trump haters can't say he doesn't listen to others.
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I'd be concerned if they could. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It wasn't until the 60's that people started doing things to their body to resemble the opposite sex. Just because a guy turns his outie into an innie and got a boob job doesn't make him anything but a modified man.
George Carlin said,in NY if u get caught spitting its a $50 fine.Vomiting was free!
Figure it out!
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Trump is an *bleep* and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. some people don't believe transgender people can serve in the military,,, I think other wise but this is my own opinion.
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I think that if money is the issue behind the dis-inclusion of people that are trans gender than money for *bleep* should be stopped as well. I seem to recall that the medical bill for trams genders was about eighty four million and the cost associated with *bleep* for military personnel was a tad over forty two million dollars. Withdrawing funding for smaller factions appears to be meeting with greater success than the big ticket promises that were given. Now the realization that Mexico won't pay for the wall has come to light (tic), the administration will have to start cutting back on programs that cost money everywhere. I wonder if we have to continue to pay, or offer severance pay, to all of the President's aides that seem to last six to fifteen days? At least the family is sticking together. The revolving door certainly provides a plausible excuse for nothing getting done.
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The morbidly obese, handicapped, mentally ill, medically unfit, etc can't serve either.....so what?
This is true; I can't serve cause I have health issues, but what about those who are perfectly fit and healthy, but are denied just because they are transgender? How is that fair?
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The morbidly obese, handicapped, mentally ill, medically unfit, etc can't serve either.....so what?
This is true; I can't serve cause I have health issues, but what about those who are perfectly fit and healthy, but are denied just because they are transgender? How is that fair?
It's not!
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I back President Trump on this.
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If people want to change their bodies, that's their choice, but I think that tax payer dollars should be focused on benefiting the country as a whole instead on an individual by individual basis. I also want the soldiers to be focused on defending the country and anything that would distract from that would concern me.