FC Community
Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Topic started by: sherryinutah on August 11, 2017, 12:52:38 am
-
Apparently, it's okay with the Supreme Court if people spank their children; as long as, they don't use objects, damage the child physically or alter the child's self-esteem.
I guess that means the wooden spoon will have to be used for cooking, now.
How would you discipline a child?
Is it ever acceptable to hit a child?
If an adult hit's another adult - the "hitter" could end up with an assault charge. Why is it okay to hit children?
What are your thoughts about all this?
-
My children were whipped with hickory switches, but they had to really do something drastic to get a spanking with a hickory switch. I would use time out , take things away and put them on restriction. :(
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
-
I agree with countrygirl its none of the supreme courts business. they have some misplaced priorities. on what is or isnt abuse.
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
-
I feel that spanking a child is okay, only don't abuse it. How else can a child learn right from wrong, if you don't spank them when they for i.e. they hit another child and injure them, you don't just hit them on the hand and say stop, they need to see that what they did was wrong and needs to be taught that hitting others without just cause shouldn't be done.
But doing it out in public, no, people will always call the police if they see you have spanked your child beyond measure. Then you are arrested for child abuse.
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
Look around you. There are kids in grade school being arrested. There are kids in grade school committing horrible crimes as bad as murder. Yes, that an be blamed on them not being spanked. If kids are taught right from wrong and taught that they don't always get their way and NO is a part of their vocabulary then things would be different. The young adults in college that have safe spaces where they retreat with their crayons when they get their feelings hurt are brats that were not spanked as a child. They are brats that were told nobody can tell you no, nobody can hurt your tender snowflake little feelings, you can always have it your way. They are going to be in for a real rude awakening when they get out in the real world.
-
I have never spanked my children. I never even thought of discipline in the form of physical pain on my kids. Thankfully my kids are really close to me and communicate problems well, they do slip in school and forget homework or break curfew as they are teens but with every rule they break the punishment is fighting with not having friends over, losing phone, no after school activities, ect. My oldest teen daughter went through a stage as most kids do when she was younger with not telling the truth I took her privacy away when I took the door off the hinges to her bedroom until she earned it back over time.
-
The Supreme Court is stupid.
It is totally acceptable to hit a child in more ways than spanking. Some women like to use their children and innocent looking little spies, but the children are not innocent. If they are going to get involved in what is goin' on by spying, then they are opening themselves up for a punch and they better take it. Children should not be judging adults. Children should not be deciding whether or not an adult gets benefits, etc.
Are you drunk? Uh, no it is not acceptable to "punch" children or anyone else for that matter. Not sure why you are calling them spies. Sounds like you have a personal problem with some neighbors or something. Or maybe you got denied for welfare and the worker was younger than you and you are P***ed off? No "child" decides who gets benefits. And as far as that goes there is a system and you have to meet the requirements. Personally I don't think any one should get welfare. Get a job or do without! But that is a whole new argument.
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
Look around you. There are kids in grade school being arrested. There are kids in grade school committing horrible crimes as bad as murder. Yes, that an be blamed on them not being spanked. If kids are taught right from wrong and taught that they don't always get their way and NO is a part of their vocabulary then things would be different. The young adults in college that have safe spaces where they retreat with their crayons when they get their feelings hurt are brats that were not spanked as a child. They are brats that were told nobody can tell you no, nobody can hurt your tender snowflake little feelings, you can always have it your way. They are going to be in for a real rude awakening when they get out in the real world.
WOW I feel bad for you. Understanding that some of the kids in the world today do not have parents that are present in their lives or don't care about them, plus numerous other factors sexual abuse, drug use in the home is how you get the kids that are searching for attention anywhere they can get it. Maybe you should study more about the kids who are extreme with not obeying and forcing the school to step in. Maybe you could find compassion for others through knowledge.
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
Look around you. There are kids in grade school being arrested. There are kids in grade school committing horrible crimes as bad as murder. Yes, that an be blamed on them not being spanked. If kids are taught right from wrong and taught that they don't always get their way and NO is a part of their vocabulary then things would be different. The young adults in college that have safe spaces where they retreat with their crayons when they get their feelings hurt are brats that were not spanked as a child. They are brats that were told nobody can tell you no, nobody can hurt your tender snowflake little feelings, you can always have it your way. They are going to be in for a real rude awakening when they get out in the real world.
WOW I feel bad for you. Understanding that some of the kids in the world today do not have parents that are present in their lives or don't care about them, plus numerous other factors sexual abuse, drug use in the home is how you get the kids that are searching for attention anywhere they can get it. Maybe you should study more about the kids who are extreme with not obeying and forcing the school to step in. Maybe you could find compassion for others through knowledge.
Maybe you should raise your kids to not be snowflakes and think the world revolves around them. Obviously I struck a nerve. My comment must have hit home with you. You are a complete idiot if you excuse the behavior of these physcos that go in to the schools and shoot every one in their sight. You say oh well it's not their fault they are just seeking attention. I somehow feel you will change your tune when it is YOUR kid that is shot in the face by some kid just "seeking attention how ever they can get it".
Have you been to Walmart lately? I have seen these bratty little kids as young as 3-4 years old smack their parents because they told them they could not have a toy. I can tell you straight up if a 3 year old smacks me in the face because I tell him or her they cannot have a toy they will most def get their butt busted. You don't have to agree with me. That is fine. I don't agree with you but I did not feel the need to personally attack you. You attacked me and now yes I am defending myself!
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
Look around you. There are kids in grade school being arrested. There are kids in grade school committing horrible crimes as bad as murder. Yes, that an be blamed on them not being spanked. If kids are taught right from wrong and taught that they don't always get their way and NO is a part of their vocabulary then things would be different. The young adults in college that have safe spaces where they retreat with their crayons when they get their feelings hurt are brats that were not spanked as a child. They are brats that were told nobody can tell you no, nobody can hurt your tender snowflake little feelings, you can always have it your way. They are going to be in for a real rude awakening when they get out in the real world.
WOW I feel bad for you. Understanding that some of the kids in the world today do not have parents that are present in their lives or don't care about them, plus numerous other factors sexual abuse, drug use in the home is how you get the kids that are searching for attention anywhere they can get it. Maybe you should study more about the kids who are extreme with not obeying and forcing the school to step in. Maybe you could find compassion for others through knowledge.
Maybe you should raise your kids to not be snowflakes and think the world revolves around them. Obviously I struck a nerve. My comment must have hit home with you. You are a complete idiot if you excuse the behavior of these physcos that go in to the schools and shoot every one in their sight. You say oh well it's not their fault they are just seeking attention. I somehow feel you will change your tune when it is YOUR kid that is shot in the face by some kid just "seeking attention how ever they can get it".
Have you been to Walmart lately? I have seen these bratty little kids as young as 3-4 years old smack their parents because they told them they could not have a toy. I can tell you straight up if a 3 year old smacks me in the face because I tell him or her they cannot have a toy they will most def get their butt busted. You don't have to agree with me. That is fine. I don't agree with you but I did not feel the need to personally attack you. You attacked me and now yes I am defending myself!
And calling people names because you get upset over comments of others is only showing how much you truly believe the world revolves around you. I feel bad for you but I will not debate with anyone who lacks knowledge in their responses.
-
Personally, I would never do it. I don't judge parents that do though.
What I cannot stand is parents that do it in public. Public embarrassment should not be a form of punishment. Besides it is extremely uncomfortable to witness a child being spanked by their parent in public for me.
-
Would you allow your child to go thru a painful operation to get well?
The rod doesnt mean it has to be an A** whooping all the time.Love is key.To administer discipline that way.Some children might not respond to a spanking...whereas some others might.The parent needs to be wise and discerning and again give it in love.
-
I know this sounds like an idealized scenario, but if you disciplined your kids right the first time and kept consistent, they wouldn't be doing bad enough things where you would have to use physical violence - and plus, if you do decide to go that route, be prepared for a backlash. :(
-
I might have spanked my 2 boys once, mainly I would make them sit on the couch and hold hands for a short time and if that did not work (usually did) I would ground them on something and if at night they got into it or did something they should have not done I would tell them to go to bed and I would tell them the next day what their punishment would be. The youngest would be up and down all night wanting to know what it was going to be mostly something withheld or grounded on. The boys and I were very close all the time they were growing up. But they also knew if I said something I meant it in no uncertain terms.
-
Spare the rod and spoil the child. Create Frankenstein.
-
FYI...It was the Utah Supreme Court. Other states have different laws.
-
It is really none of the supreme court's business. There is nothing wrong with spanking kids. It is not abuse. There is a difference is spanking a kid and abusing a kid. If more kids got spanked for some of the stupid stuff they do instead of coddled and told nothing is their fault this country would not be in the horrible shape it is in.
I do respect your opinion but certainly we cannot blame the shape our country is in to children not being spanked. Somehow I believe that most of our politicians (based on their age) were spanked as children.
Look around you. There are kids in grade school being arrested. There are kids in grade school committing horrible crimes as bad as murder. Yes, that an be blamed on them not being spanked. If kids are taught right from wrong and taught that they don't always get their way and NO is a part of their vocabulary then things would be different. The young adults in college that have safe spaces where they retreat with their crayons when they get their feelings hurt are brats that were not spanked as a child. They are brats that were told nobody can tell you no, nobody can hurt your tender snowflake little feelings, you can always have it your way. They are going to be in for a real rude awakening when they get out in the real world.
WOW I feel bad for you. Understanding that some of the kids in the world today do not have parents that are present in their lives or don't care about them, plus numerous other factors sexual abuse, drug use in the home is how you get the kids that are searching for attention anywhere they can get it. Maybe you should study more about the kids who are extreme with not obeying and forcing the school to step in. Maybe you could find compassion for others through knowledge.
Maybe you should raise your kids to not be snowflakes and think the world revolves around them. Obviously I struck a nerve. My comment must have hit home with you. You are a complete idiot if you excuse the behavior of these physcos that go in to the schools and shoot every one in their sight. You say oh well it's not their fault they are just seeking attention. I somehow feel you will change your tune when it is YOUR kid that is shot in the face by some kid just "seeking attention how ever they can get it".
Have you been to Walmart lately? I have seen these bratty little kids as young as 3-4 years old smack their parents because they told them they could not have a toy. I can tell you straight up if a 3 year old smacks me in the face because I tell him or her they cannot have a toy they will most def get their butt busted. You don't have to agree with me. That is fine. I don't agree with you but I did not feel the need to personally attack you. You attacked me and now yes I am defending myself!
And calling people names because you get upset over comments of others is only showing how much you truly believe the world revolves around you. I feel bad for you but I will not debate with anyone who lacks knowledge in their responses.
lol. Yes you will. You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing. I did not speak to you. YOU are the one who felt the need to attack me first. You just can't handle when someone defends themselves. I never said the world revolved around me nor do I think it does. That is just the only insult you can hurl. lol at you. Just because I do not agree with you does not mean I lack knowledge. I could say the same thing about you.
Read the Bible. God Himself says to spank your children and to teach them right from wrong.
Eagerly awaiting your response. You know you will respond. You just can't help it! LOLOLOL
-
Personally, I would never do it. I don't judge parents that do though.
What I cannot stand is parents that do it in public. Public embarrassment should not be a form of punishment. Besides it is extremely uncomfortable to witness a child being spanked by their parent in public for me.
Then don't watch. It is not about public embarrassment. If a kid doesn't want to be spanked in public then don't act like a fool in public. I have a friend that when his son was younger got mad in a restaurant and pitched a fit and screaming at the table and he spanked him for it. Basically he swatted him on the leg and he done it right there at the table. Guess what...he didn't do that again.
No, I don't think they should pull their pants down and wear them out in the middle of a store. But swatting them on the butt for something is not a big deal not is it "public embarrassment".
Unlike others on this discussion you seem to get it - it is your choice. If you don't want to spank your kids then don't do it. But you do not have the right to judge others, or put them down because they choose a different method. Abuse is wrong but there is nothing wrong with spanking your kids if they need it.
-
I know this sounds like an idealized scenario, but if you disciplined your kids right the first time and kept consistent, they wouldn't be doing bad enough things where you would have to use physical violence - and plus, if you do decide to go that route, be prepared for a backlash. :(
Backlash? Really? You think that every kid that gets a spanking is violent or will try to fight back? You are correct in if you discipline them right the first time you won't have to do it again. But most kids do not respond to "reasoning' or "talking to them". A few maybe do. Millions of people were spanked as a child and they turned out just fine. They have never been in a fight, never killed any one, never been arrested, or anything else.
-
Spare the rod and spoil the child. Create Frankenstein.
Exactly. When the schools were still allowed to paddle you had well behaved kids that obeyed the rules. You absolutely never heard of anything close to a school shooting when I was in school. You didn't have heathens spitting on their teachers or hitting their teachers or kicking their teachers or threatening to KILL their teachers or classmates. And there were not that many kids who actually got paddled. You did have order and respect. Kids went to school and acted like somebody.
But these days you have a bunch of snot nosed brats who are coddled and never told no. They are taught to believe the world revolves solely around them. They are right (a few of those people posting on here) and every one else is wrong. You can't have your own opinion or you are called a bully. Guess what - not everyone will agree with you. Another reason we have safe spaces in college where idiots retreat with their crayons and blankies and cry and some head doctor tells them oh it's okay the person who doesn't like blue shirts is just a bully. He was wearing a grey shirt and I understand you don't like grey. Reminds you of the prison walls in your mommy and daddies jail cell. SO we will ban everyone from wearing GREY on campus.
This country is in some real trouble!
-
The government wants to raise your children and turn them into PC slaves.
-
I was spanked a few times as a kid, I learned fast all I had to see was the look and i shaped up. My grandpa had a cat of nine tails and just seeing it kept all us in line.
-
I got a spanking or two growing up in the 60's.
It was usually for very good reason and I knew I had done wrong.
My dad's hand was hard enough for me to learn my lesson.
I lived with a family when I was in my 40's.
The main punishment was to sit in the corner for a time.
-
I have very seldom ever spanked any of my kids, I do smack the hands or use timeout
-
My parents would let me make a fool of myself if I made a scene, or just let me cry it out, honestly I turned out fine
-
We mostly did time outs for our children but a spanking would be given for something serious, such as running out into the street.
-
hitch0403 - couldn't agree with you more. My sister has memories of hiding under the bed to avoid my mothers violent outbursts. My brother burried her wooden spoons. Me and my other sister known as "the babies" musta had it much easier. I was spanked. Both my parents... although rarely by Dad. If there is abuse...someone needs to protect the child. Abuse and a spanking are 2 very different things though.
-
Thanx Sak....glad you understood Gods view of it...certainly a difference when love is involved.The bible takes the extra step to remind us if we dont discipline how much do we care?
I think we all can make an honest mistake and enable a child to get their way without punishing them and hope they appreciate our love and good-heart.But then again sometimes they take advantage and another measure must be taken.
-
Spare the rod and spoil the child. Create Frankenstein.
Exactly. When the schools were still allowed to paddle you had well behaved kids that obeyed the rules. You absolutely never heard of anything close to a school shooting when I was in school. You didn't have heathens spitting on their teachers or hitting their teachers or kicking their teachers or threatening to KILL their teachers or classmates. And there were not that many kids who actually got paddled. You did have order and respect. Kids went to school and acted like somebody.
But these days you have a bunch of snot nosed brats who are coddled and never told no. They are taught to believe the world revolves solely around them. They are right (a few of those people posting on here) and every one else is wrong. You can't have your own opinion or you are called a bully. Guess what - not everyone will agree with you. Another reason we have safe spaces in college where idiots retreat with their crayons and blankies and cry and some head doctor tells them oh it's okay the person who doesn't like blue shirts is just a bully. He was wearing a grey shirt and I understand you don't like grey. Reminds you of the prison walls in your mommy and daddies jail cell. SO we will ban everyone from wearing GREY on campus.
This country is in some real trouble!
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has the right to take a paddle or any other form of corporal punishment to my child. PERIOD
-
Spanking children is "child abuse".
-
spank yes , hit no i do not believe in striking a child only spanking on the bottom .
-
You should never be allowed to hit a kid ever (or really anyone for that matter). Hundreds of scientific studies show that kids that were "disciplined" as children are much more likely to commit domestic assault and it also leads to higher rates of depression and substance abuse. Using the anecdote "I was spanked/hit/whipped as a child and I turned out fine" is a minority opinion compared to a majority opinion. My stance is always, if you wouldn't do it to a dog or to another kids child, don't do it to your own. There are safer and more effective was to discipline a child them by using violence.
-
Spare the rod and spoil the child. Create Frankenstein.
Exactly. When the schools were still allowed to paddle you had well behaved kids that obeyed the rules. You absolutely never heard of anything close to a school shooting when I was in school. You didn't have heathens spitting on their teachers or hitting their teachers or kicking their teachers or threatening to KILL their teachers or classmates. And there were not that many kids who actually got paddled. You did have order and respect. Kids went to school and acted like somebody.
But these days you have a bunch of snot nosed brats who are coddled and never told no. They are taught to believe the world revolves solely around them. They are right (a few of those people posting on here) and every one else is wrong. You can't have your own opinion or you are called a bully. Guess what - not everyone will agree with you. Another reason we have safe spaces in college where idiots retreat with their crayons and blankies and cry and some head doctor tells them oh it's okay the person who doesn't like blue shirts is just a bully. He was wearing a grey shirt and I understand you don't like grey. Reminds you of the prison walls in your mommy and daddies jail cell. SO we will ban everyone from wearing GREY on campus.
This country is in some real trouble!
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has the right to take a paddle or any other form of corporal punishment to my child. PERIOD
lol. Then keep your child at home. If your child is in a public school and can't behave then the teachers have a right to spank them. Hilarious how people can't handle someone having their own opinion without getting so bent out of shape.
-
You should never be allowed to hit a kid ever (or really anyone for that matter). Hundreds of scientific studies show that kids that were "disciplined" as children are much more likely to commit domestic assault and it also leads to higher rates of depression and substance abuse. Using the anecdote "I was spanked/hit/whipped as a child and I turned out fine" is a minority opinion compared to a majority opinion. My stance is always, if you wouldn't do it to a dog or to another kids child, don't do it to your own. There are safer and more effective was to discipline a child them by using violence.
Where are your statistics that adults who were spanked are depressed, commit crimes, blah blah blah. From what I see the ones who are let run wild and never told no and never disciplined are the ones causing all the problems. Spanking is not violence. There is a difference between spanking, aka swatting a child on the butt, and beating them. No one said to beat the crap out of them. Spanking them is not going to hurt them.
-
I guess but I don't agree with that. I have been spanked when I was young. I/You really don't have good memories after you always get spanked even after time goes by...and parent changes or knows to give attention or pays for something....you just don't care, you really don't get over it. You just to on and you make your own memories and hope you don't fall into the cycle and hurt somebody. Maybe it is a bustoutlet steam for........... naw just talk is the best, .
-
Wow...I didn't know that was something the Supreme Court was deciding...
-
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has the right to take a paddle or any other form of corporal punishment to my child. PERIOD
I agree with you 100%. If a kid is uncontrollable in school, suspend them, expel them, you don't hit them. That's not how you teach kids to respect authority.
-
Frankly, I don't believe violence is ever the answer. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest spanking is "child abuse", but I don't think you teach children to refrain from violence by visiting violence upon them. As the bible says "You will reap what you sow."
-
Where are your statistics that adults who were spanked are depressed, commit crimes, blah blah blah. From what I see the ones who are let run wild and never told no and never disciplined are the ones causing all the problems. Spanking is not violence. There is a difference between spanking, aka swatting a child on the butt, and beating them. No one said to beat the crap out of them. Spanking them is not going to hurt them.
[/quote]
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-science-says-and-doesn-t-about-spanking/
Finding dynamic treatment effects under anticipation: the effects of spanking on behaviour: Authors:
Lee, MJ Huang, F ISSN: 09641998
Changing Beliefs About Corporal Punishment: Increasing Knowledge About Ineffectiveness to Build More Consistent Moral and Informational Beliefs. Robinson, Daniel H.1 dan.robinson@mail.utexas.edu Funk, Daniel Beth, Alicia1 Bush, Angela ISSN: 1053-0819
First two articles are just links from google. The next two are from a data base, so I don't think links will work. If you want to look them up I gave you the title of the article, the authors, and ISSN. I hope this makes my point clearer and allows you to understand my point.
-
Lots of intangibles here.
When discipline isnt administered right away a child today is more apt to disobey.Its also the times we live in.I can remember when teachers slapped children.Today they would get charged with assault.Society is cracking up cos we are deep into this systems last days.Its been told from long ago.And its happening.
-
Hitting is one thing, but spanking is entirely different. You have to let them know what is right and wrong, so I don't think a little pop on the leg or butt is wrong. It didn't kill me when I was growing up.
-
As a child, I was spanked. My siblings and I turned out well. However, my sister and brother in law don't spank their children. My niece and nephews are still thoughtful, kind and considerate. I can certainly understand both sides of this issue. In my view, whether or not to spank a child is a matter of personal preference.
-
I was spanked as a child and I turned out ok. However, I never did spank my children. I believe in time out and that is what worked for me. I remember that being spanked hurt me and I never wanted to hurt my children. I guess and adult does what works best for them. I hate seeing people in stores spanking their children.
-
Each kid is different, but I do believe in a good ol' ars whooping! lol
-
Spanking as discipline is not abuse. For the average offense as a kid I was sent to sit in corners, but I got spanked once or twice. It showed my parents were serious about it and I certainly never did the thing again. I never hated or feared my parents for it and understood that they weren't doing it because they were mean or enjoyed doing it. I turned out okay, and I think more of my peers could stand to have been disciplined when they were younger.
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
-
only if necessary, but not to the point of physical abuse.
-
Never spanked my son. There's my thoughts on the subject.
-
I was spanked a a child. Although, I really didn't need to be spanked. My dad scared me enough just by looking at me. I think each child I different and some could get by with a time out and maybe some need a spanking. When our son was growing up and misbehaved, he had to go to his room. That was a punishment to him because he loved being outdoors. And, yes he did get spanked probably 4-5 Times from my husband when he really crossed the line.