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Title: Death penalty
Post by: cateyes1 on March 19, 2018, 05:11:05 pm
What do you think of drug dealers getting the death penalty if they get caught dealing? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: snuggleycutejc on March 19, 2018, 05:38:43 pm
Got to be tough, drug dealers are tough, they don't know who they kill.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: mamatygress on March 19, 2018, 06:21:31 pm
I don't really think that's a death offense.  I suppose it would depend on the case.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: gwilson31 on March 19, 2018, 06:31:03 pm
If it's a real hard-core drug dealer like on Breaking Bad, they probably deserve it.  But that's a really hard decision to make.  I'm glad I'm not the one doling out the punishments.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: UGetPaid on March 19, 2018, 07:21:33 pm
I personally believe that the death penalty should be absolutely abolished in 100% of the cases, regardless of the crime.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: AnnaKiki on March 19, 2018, 08:12:32 pm
Just because trump said it doesn't make it real!


Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: aflyingmonkey on March 19, 2018, 10:17:56 pm
Depends on the level of drug dealer & what they are dealing....   It needs to be tougher for sure because of the Opiod epidemic that is killing so many people.

One thing with the Death Penalty, is they don't use it, at least here in California. So it would be just life in prison.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 19, 2018, 10:39:14 pm
Got to be tough, drug dealers are tough, they don't know who they kill.
                                                                                                            They don't care if they kill innocents,help destroy families,as long as they get that cash.  No mercy for drug dealers !!!
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: sbenkoski on March 19, 2018, 11:36:20 pm
I know a few Dr's that need to be stopped, biggest pill pushers there are.   >:(
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: gaylasue on March 20, 2018, 03:00:45 am
I believe the death penalty should apply for crimes against children and the elderly.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: judylucas on March 20, 2018, 05:28:46 am

I don't believe in the death penalty for a number of reasons.......solitary confinement with bread and water would be  much more effective to deter crime
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: sak4kat on March 20, 2018, 06:55:40 am
I do think that if criminals had the death penalty vs. selling drugs and getting caught many would opt for another career.  Therefore the drug push would perhaps slow down. Selling drugs is a criminal offense and as it stands criminals have to many rights.  Of course "drugs" is vague. Categorizing dealers from marijuana to meth would certainly play an influence in how the death penalty was utilized.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: dwggs on March 20, 2018, 07:35:07 am
I know a few Dr's that need to be stopped, biggest pill pushers there are.   >:(
I agree .. I know multiple ppl that got hooked on pain pills that had some type of injury and the pills were prescribed to them.  I think they should look at laws that would limit how many pills can be prescribed and the amount of refills.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: monnee on March 20, 2018, 12:53:29 pm
Death penalty needs to be enforced.  Too many killers sitting on death row and costing taxpayers millions a year to house and feed them.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: cateyes1 on March 20, 2018, 01:13:48 pm
I know a few Dr's that need to be stopped, biggest pill pushers there are.   >:(
I agree .. I know multiple ppl that got hooked on pain pills that had some type of injury and the pills were prescribed to them.  I think they should look at laws that would limit how many pills can be prescribed and the amount of refills.

I'm not sure that we can blame ALL Dr's. Years ago I had a complete Hysterectomy and was prescribed pain killers. I chose to not take the pain pills and settled with Tylenol. I think it is the patients fault on whether they allow themselves to get hooked or not. Just the way I feel about Drs being included in this.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: hitch0403 on March 20, 2018, 03:36:05 pm
I had a best friend in 1973 who was shot and killed with another guy.He was in wrong place at wrong time.The killer got paroled after 30 yrs.

Justice will NEVER be perfect in this world.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: madeara on March 20, 2018, 03:59:01 pm
I too believe the death penalty should be abolished completely, no matter the crime or severity of offense.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 20, 2018, 05:48:43 pm
I believe the death penalty should apply for crimes against children and the elderly.
                                                                                                                            So  not terrorists,not cold blooded murderers,not traitors ? What a *bleep* world  your type would create.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: dwiley11 on March 21, 2018, 06:43:44 am
all for it, maybe we can thin the herd
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: Tresbn00 on March 21, 2018, 07:02:04 am
I think that the death penalty was designed to be a deterrant to those who would take a life with intent, malice and fore thought. Using this thought process a drug dealer would not be included within the scope of the death penalty. Drug addicts create a demand for illicit drug trafficking, the need for dealers, and enter into the unhealthy lifestyle of their own free will. Shouldn't the focus be aimed at providing programs for addicts?  Third world countries believe differently and perhaps this is why they are not world powers. The proposal to impose the death penalty gets filed along with other crazy proposals like building a wall, imposing tariffs, creating trade wars, alienating the world by speaking before thinking, and imposing tax reforms that will negatively impact my children.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 21, 2018, 07:08:26 am
I too believe the death penalty should be abolished completely, no matter the crime or severity of offense.
                             Then you  and all those who are clueless like you should pay for everything to keep these criminals who deserve death locked away.    You should also have to guard them.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: dogsleash on March 21, 2018, 08:04:20 am
Yah not a fan if it is used against pot dealers.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: alice44 on March 21, 2018, 08:46:10 am
I'm up in the air on this one.  Basically I don't believe in taking someone's life, but  the jails are so full of people, keeping them for life is a great expense for the US population  :-\
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: UGetPaid on March 21, 2018, 08:56:02 am
the jails are so full of people, keeping them for life is a great expense for the US population  :-\


The cost involved in putting someone to death far exceeds the cost of having someone imprisoned for life.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 21, 2018, 02:16:01 pm
When I was in hs I frequently wore  a " Kill em All !!!"  or " Kill em All Let God sort it out !!!" tee shirts.  I still feel the same.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: TheAmericanCanadian on March 21, 2018, 03:06:39 pm
Hardly punishable by death in my opinion. Death penalty should only be for the worse of the worse. You know, like those who commit terrorist acts; bombings and mass shootings.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: InfuseMe1 on March 23, 2018, 09:16:12 pm
think should only be for rapists and pre-meditated murders
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 24, 2018, 12:55:12 am
think should only be for rapists and pre-meditated murders
                                                                                     So regular murderers are exempt  ? 
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 04:28:10 am
What do you think of drug dealers getting the death penalty if they get caught dealing? :thumbsup:

So you are saying you get caught selling pot and you get the death penalty? Where do you draw the line? That is a little harsh when you have people who commit murder and rape and other horrible crimes and they don't get it.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 04:28:45 am
Got to be tough, drug dealers are tough, they don't know who they kill.

They don't kill anyone. The person who snorts the pill kills themselves. They make a choice. Nobody makes them do drugs.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 04:31:11 am
I know a few Dr's that need to be stopped, biggest pill pushers there are.   >:(

This is true. But it still falls back on the person. You go to the doctor and tell them you are hurting because you want a pain pill.  Open your mouth and tell them no when they say do you need meds for pain.

But I will agree.  When you go for ANYTHING they ask about how you are sleeping and questions to lead toward being able to push the depression and anxiety crap like paxil, zoloft, and all the rest of them.  And those are addictive as well.  You don't just stop taking them.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 04:32:11 am
I believe the death penalty should apply for crimes against children and the elderly.

So if your 40 year old child is brutally murdered and hacked to death he should just sit in jail because 40 is not a child and it is not old.

The age of the victim should not come in to play.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 04:35:03 am
I do think that if criminals had the death penalty vs. selling drugs and getting caught many would opt for another career.  Therefore the drug push would perhaps slow down. Selling drugs is a criminal offense and as it stands criminals have to many rights.  Of course "drugs" is vague. Categorizing dealers from marijuana to meth would certainly play an influence in how the death penalty was utilized.

I doubt it.  Selling drugs is easy money. I can see why some people get in to it.  The economy is good but there are still places it is hard to get a decent paying job.  You cannot pay your bills on a min wage job working part time hours. And don't start yelling work 2 or 3 jobs.  Most places will not work with another schedule.  They want you available to them when THEY need you.  Besides that nobody wants to work 60 hours a week at 3 jobs all paying $7.25 an hour.  I actually saw a job listing for cleaning rooms at a local motel and the pay was listed at the federal min wage. $7.25 an hour.  I doubt they got too many takers.  And they want to say that people are lazy for not taking that but the person doing the hiring is most likely making close to $20 an hour.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: cateyes1 on March 24, 2018, 04:45:51 am
Got to be tough, drug dealers are tough, they don't know who they kill.

They don't kill anyone. The person who snorts the pill kills themselves. They make a choice. Nobody makes them do drugs.

Yes, but they have to get the pills from some where right?....maybe if these dealers was not around they cant get their hands on these drugs.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: linderlizzie on March 24, 2018, 09:07:28 am
the jails are so full of people, keeping them for life is a great expense for the US population  :-\


The cost involved in putting someone to death far exceeds the cost of having someone imprisoned for life.

Do you have proof for this statement?

You state it as if it were a fact, and I'd like to see your source if you would care to share it with us.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: demaina on March 24, 2018, 09:29:12 am
I don't really like it, but I don't know what else to suggest.  Something needs to be done about this to reduce the number of drugs in our society, but I feel this might be a little drastic of a change.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 02:04:33 pm
Got to be tough, drug dealers are tough, they don't know who they kill.

They don't kill anyone. The person who snorts the pill kills themselves. They make a choice. Nobody makes them do drugs.

Yes, but they have to get the pills from some where right?....maybe if these dealers was not around they cant get their hands on these drugs.

Meth kills more people than anything.  You can make that yourself.  There are tons of ways to get a high just in your own home.  Google terms like 'hiding in plain sight" or "getting high at home".  A state trooper in Kentucky teaches a class that teaches parents how their kids are hiding stuff right there in plain sight and you have no idea.  I hate the drug dealers but I don't blame them when a person gets addicted to pills. The dealers do not usually get them addicted anyway.  They go to the doctor and cry about pain and the doctor gives them something for the imaginary pain so they have pills to snort.  The doctor cannot say I dont believe you and you are not really hurting.  They have to believe them.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: countrygirl12 on March 24, 2018, 02:06:20 pm
I don't really like it, but I don't know what else to suggest.  Something needs to be done about this to reduce the number of drugs in our society, but I feel this might be a little drastic of a change.

How about personal responsibility.  When you catch somebody with just a couple of pills for personal use put their butt in jail for a long time.  Make them not want to have drugs.    Or punish them both.  Don't feel sorry for the user.  They made choices.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: JediJohnnie on March 24, 2018, 06:24:43 pm
God instituted the death penalty as early as the time of Noah, so I have no problem with it. Particularly if you got the person dead to rights on evidence, I don't know why you wouldn't.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: dwiley11 on March 24, 2018, 07:14:40 pm
anyone who sells heroin thats laced should die,  every overdose is because of that
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: jwkelly on March 27, 2018, 04:38:36 am
anyone who sells heroin thats laced should die,  every overdose is because of that
                                                                                                                              But regular heroin is ok ?
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: MichelleHW101 on March 27, 2018, 12:45:37 pm
Actually, while dealing should be dealt with harshly, I don't believe people should be given the death penalty for that.  Not when you can kill someone with your car and as long as you stay there and report it, you basically get off scott-free. 
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: stokeman455 on March 27, 2018, 02:22:59 pm
 I can see the death penalty used for certain crimes. Murder 1,  Rape of a child, etc. etc. P/S think about it?
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: tnshpalmer85 on March 30, 2018, 05:39:08 pm
I do not think drug dealers should get the death penalty unless they have murdered people with violence. If there were not drug dealers, people would still find a way to get high with over the counter drugs and chemicals.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: hawkeye3210 on March 30, 2018, 07:59:25 pm
No, I'm not in favor of it.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: tantricia44 on March 30, 2018, 08:15:08 pm
Normally, i'd never agree with trump's stupid advice but the death penalty for the drug dealers just because we know every time the final result in the end. Death! It should be called premeditated murder to the customers! The doctors who knowingly developed drugs with addictive side effects yet still put it out into the public should  face the death penalty as well!
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: fillfran82 on March 31, 2018, 11:34:53 pm
What do you think of drug dealers getting the death penalty if they get caught dealing? :thumbsup:

Hello!

I personally don't believe in the death penalty as I don't see the point of it. The person who died remains that way and besides two wrongs doesn't make a right. Yes, drug dealers ruin lives but they don't do so without your permission, be safe everyone, bye.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: ljrjess69 on April 02, 2018, 12:04:41 pm
if it fentenol etc,,,i agree,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: brian8713 on April 02, 2018, 01:32:39 pm
It's a tough question, but yes, I'd say death penalty for those that sell heroin or other drugs that can kill. Marijuana shouldn't even be a crime.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: JaniceSW on April 02, 2018, 02:04:14 pm
In my opinion, the death penalty should be reserved for the most heinous and cruel of crimes or where there is little hope that a person can be rehabilitated, like a diagnosed sociopath with a history of violence.  Serial killers; kidnapping, raping, and killing children; torture of another person or where there is evidence of a terrible death...these I would not mind seeing gone from this earth so there is no chance of walking among us again.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: UGetPaid on April 02, 2018, 07:17:39 pm


The cost involved in putting someone to death far exceeds the cost of having someone imprisoned for life.

Do you have proof for this statement?

You state it as if it were a fact, and I'd like to see your source if you would care to share it with us.




Financial Facts About the Death Penalty • Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014). • A new study in California revealed that the cost of the death penalty in the state has been over $4 billion since 1978. Study considered pretrial and trial costs, costs of automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, costs of federal habeas corpus appeals, and costs of incarceration on death row. (Alarcon & Mitchell, 2011). • In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban Institute, 2008). • Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000). • The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993). • In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).


(Source deathpenaltyinfo.org)




It seems like common sense that it’s cheaper to execute someone than to house, feed and take care of them for the rest of their natural life. But there are a lot of unavoidable costs that make a death sentence far more expensive than a sentence of life without parole.


Most of these costs result from the unique status of the death penalty within the US justice system. Because it’s the only truly irreversible form of punishment, the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases, including several levels of mandatory review after a death sentence is issued. The appeals process takes decades to complete.


Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost.
(Source - deathpenaltyfocus.org)




[C]apital cases (those where the death penalty is a potential punishment) are more expensive and take much more time to resolve than non-capital cases. According to a study by the Kansas Judicial Council, defending a death penalty case costs about four times as much as defending a case where the death penalty is not considered. In terms of costs, a report of the Washington State Bar Association found that death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense versus a similar case without the death penalty; that doesn't take into account the cost of court personnel. Even when a trial wasn't necessary (because of a guilty plea), those cases where the death penalty was sought still cost about twice as much as those where death was not sought. Citing Richard C. Dieter of the non-partisan Death Penalty Information Center, Fox News has reported that studies have "uniformly and conservatively shown that a death-penalty trial costs $1 million more than one in which prosecutors seek life without parole."


And let's not forget about appeals: in Idaho, the State Appellate Public Defenders office spent about 44 times more time on a typical death penalty appeal than on a life sentence appeal: almost 8,000 hours per capital defendant compared to about 180 hours per non-death penalty defendant. New York state projected that the death penalty costs the state $1.8 million per case just through trial and initial appeal.


It costs more to house death penalty prisoners, as well. In Kansas, housing prisoners on death row costs more than twice as much per year ($49,380) as for prisoners in the general population ($24,690). In California, incarceration costs for death penalty prisoners totaled more than $1 billion from 1978 to 2011 (total costs outside of incarceration were another $3 billion). By the numbers, the annual cost of the death penalty in the state of California is $137 million compared to the cost of lifetime incarceration of $11.5 million.


(Source: forbes.com)

Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: surveypro2016 on April 02, 2018, 07:22:47 pm
With the severity of the drug problem in the US, I am all for the Death penalty. There is no reason for people to "rot in prison".
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: bigfoot951 on April 03, 2018, 05:47:32 pm
I'm all for harsher punishments for everything.  The punishment for any given crime has to be harsh enough that people wouldn't even think about committing the crime.  Otherwise it will keep happening.  Seems simple to me.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: debidoo on April 03, 2018, 05:49:46 pm
Wow I don't know how I feel for sure no way if it is just pot but some things like heroin or some really bad stuff I don't know.  They don't even give killers and child molesters that stiff a sentence some time so I don't know how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: killers2 on April 03, 2018, 06:31:47 pm
Definitely not if they just sold drugs.  Jailtime.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: heidi0902 on April 03, 2018, 08:30:32 pm
For selling drugs, really? No. There are worse crimes.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: LenoraMinogue on April 04, 2018, 03:27:04 am
The death penalty is certainly a complex and divisive issue. I have mixed feelings about it myself. I think it should be reserved to murderers however.
Title: Re: Death penalty
Post by: mrisha on April 04, 2018, 12:58:04 pm
The death penalty for selling drugs is a bit rough.  The dealers aren't making an individual take drugs, they go looking for the dealer.  The dealers should get time, but make sure they are getting the person at the top for selling drugs.