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Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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I think "evil" is a learned behavior. I mean, none of us are perfect, but to be truly evil- a murderer and so forth- must be something you become.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
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No, I do not think so.
They are made that way by
special circumstances and life experiences.
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Environment has a lot to do with it.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Abortion is murder. And there could never be a test that would determine something like that. No babies are not born evil. Babies are born in to a sin filled world. And how the baby/child is raised will have a great deal of influence on how the person turns out in adult hood.
Having said that there are kids who were raised in Christian homes and raised right that turned out to be the most horrible person in the world. And there are also kids who are raised by evil parents who get saved and away from that and are good people.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
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No I don't think you're born evil I think it's a learned behavior that is passed down from one evil person to anotherthat may not be family that might be someone you're hanging around with that kind of rubs off on you and makes you that way just my thought
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No I don't think you're born evil I think it's a learned behavior that is passed down from one evil person to anotherthat may not be family that might be someone you're hanging around with that kind of rubs off on you and makes you that way just my thought
Doesn't really have to be passed down. Or at least not from parents. Kids go to school. They see stuff on TV. Like you said the whole world around them.
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I strongly do no believe anyone is born a murderer. This is something which a person learns later in life. Thankfully majority of people are good and we do not have the majority of people become murderers. What a world that would be!
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I don't believe that people are born evil, I think it is nuture.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
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I don't think anyone is born evil. I feel the way a person is raised determines that.
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I strongly do no believe anyone is born a murderer. This is something which a person learns later in life. Thankfully majority of people are good and we do not have the majority of people become murderers. What a world that would be!
The majority of people in this world are not good. This world is a mean evil place. No not everyone is a murderer but most people in the world today are not good people.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
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I don't think a person is born good or evil. A lot of that is learned behavior, but I do think a person can be born with psychological dispositions due to brain chemistry that can impact how they learn or their behavior.
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Everyone is born with a sin nature but I believe being "evil" is a product of your environment. Most children who grow up in a hostile environment carries that stigma with them. It becomes a learned trait.
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Even though I believe that certain genes influence what you CAN be, you become EVIL by special circumstances and life experiences. And the type of house you grow up in, certainly you can have loving parents and still turn murderer and evil, but I believe it also has to do with how much attention the person gets at home, not only a good life quality bu a quantity too.
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I don't think anyone is born evil. I'm not sure how a person becomes evil or "a bad seed". It could be influence, learned behavior, or caught just like a virus going around.
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Whoos to say what is evil maybe the good people are evil and the ones that sees this goes crock snap.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
Warped beliefs.......LOL.I remind you you made a statement awhile back it is in the bible animals go to heaven!!!Please show us ControversialGirl!!
Go get your magnifying glass and take a trip to the store so you can look for something to complain about.Maybe you might have a hard time with the check-out person if they dont change their underwear everyday!!
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
Warped beliefs.......LOL.I remind you you made a statement awhile back it is in the bible animals go to heaven!!!Please show us ControversialGirl!!
Go get your magnifying glass and take a trip to the store so you can look for something to complain about.Maybe you might have a hard time with the check-out person if they dont change their underwear everyday!!
Your idea of a sermon in church is making sure the candy is safely wrapped for the kiddies.
Im puzzled with all the complaining you do and your foolish idea you think you are going to heaven why you havent visited "Lovers Leap"yet??
You support animals going to heaven and yourself as well.You support Xmas?Now those are warped beliefs NOT found in the bible.Reference the scriptures where they are.
Maybe animals are saved by grace cos the dog went his whole life without biting someone or relieving themselves on the house carpet so they get rewarded going to heaven.......LOLLL!!
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I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
C&A first 2 humans born in womb.If you couldnt tell what i meant ControversialGirl you are quite blind or as i said you were looking to "Live"up to your name.
Maybe you didnt appreciate my "buy some worms and a fishing pole"comment when you complained about the woman in the store wiping her nose on the fish.All in good humor i meant that but you viewed it as an attack and out came your magnifying glass.
The way you dance around things,if you were asked to dance,after the song was over you would either return with a different partner or no partner.
Instead of Grandma,i think you got run over by a reindeer.....or maybe The Drummer boy should beat some sense into you instead of the drum!!!
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I don't beleive you are born evil, Maybe it is something that is taught or lived around. Don't really know
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A child is never born evil. That comes later as they grow. They may have had mothers who took drugs and it has warped their minds. I know of one young man who mother was on drugs and liquor. He was put into foster home and then allowed to be adopted by a young couple who wanted children so bad. For some reason he just would not mind nor cared to too. Very easily led by other children which was bad. the father died at an early age when the child was only 6 and the mothe did every thing in her power to get him straightened out and the grandparents, and other members all tried to help. It was a no go. It was what he wanted to do and no power was going to change him. Sadly he has been put back into prison again for this problem. I don't know if he will ever straighten out.
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While bad association spoil useful habits and mankind is capable of evil.....let us not forget....
The Bible reveals that Satan “has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.” (2 Corinthians 4:4
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
Warped beliefs.......LOL.I remind you you made a statement awhile back it is in the bible animals go to heaven!!!Please show us ControversialGirl!!
Go get your magnifying glass and take a trip to the store so you can look for something to complain about.Maybe you might have a hard time with the check-out person if they dont change their underwear everyday!!
I did not say animals go to Heaven. I said there will be animals in Heaven.
I said the Bible says the lion shall lay down with the lamb and the beast from the wild will be led by a child. It will be hard for the lion to lay down with the lamb if they are not there.
You seem to have a real attitude. You want to correct everybody and call them out but cannot handle it when you are corrected when you are clearly wrong. LOL at that.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
Warped beliefs.......LOL.I remind you you made a statement awhile back it is in the bible animals go to heaven!!!Please show us ControversialGirl!!
Go get your magnifying glass and take a trip to the store so you can look for something to complain about.Maybe you might have a hard time with the check-out person if they dont change their underwear everyday!!
Your idea of a sermon in church is making sure the candy is safely wrapped for the kiddies.
Im puzzled with all the complaining you do and your foolish idea you think you are going to heaven why you havent visited "Lovers Leap"yet??
You support animals going to heaven and yourself as well.You support Xmas?Now those are warped beliefs NOT found in the bible.Reference the scriptures where they are.
Maybe animals are saved by grace cos the dog went his whole life without biting someone or relieving themselves on the house carpet so they get rewarded going to heaven.......LOLLL!!
Wow. You are completely warped. We will just leave it at that.
You have NO idea what I support or what I believe. You just seem to be making crap up and saying it is what I believe. But I can say for sure you are the one who is confused here. But I have better things to do that argue with some yahoo I do not even know or what to know. You are typical for people like yourself though. All you want to do is argue and fight.
Here is the thing - I believe the BIBLE and believe it as it is written. I don't change verses and I don't leave verses out or just choose certain ones to believe.
The Bible also says not to argue with people. As I have told you before (probably the last time you attacked me) BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT. I do not care. I will tell you this - you better be careful laughing at people and saying they are not going to Heaven. You seem to be very confused with what is right and what is wrong.
Go ahead and respond calling me names and putting me down and telling me I am going to Hell and how I am wrong. I don't care. I will be blocking you so I do not have to see your non-sense any further.
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uhhh no but you can turn evil if you get with the wrong people... or get on drugs and such
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Of course i meant C&A being first 2 born from A&E.Please forgive my overlook the way i phrased it and i will overlook why you had to mention it to me when of course you know that i know who the first 2 humans were.
The topic spoke of baby in the womb.A&E didnt fit that but C&A did as a reminder to you.
LOL. Love the attitude. YOU SAID Cain and Abel were the first two humans. That is exactly what you said. I simply pointed out that the statement YOU made is not correct. And I do not need to with your warped beliefs to remind me of anything.
Warped beliefs.......LOL.I remind you you made a statement awhile back it is in the bible animals go to heaven!!!Please show us ControversialGirl!!
Go get your magnifying glass and take a trip to the store so you can look for something to complain about.Maybe you might have a hard time with the check-out person if they dont change their underwear everyday!!
I did not say animals go to Heaven. I said there will be animals in Heaven.
I said the Bible says the lion shall lay down with the lamb and the beast from the wild will be led by a child. It will be hard for the lion to lay down with the lamb if they are not there.
You seem to have a real attitude. You want to correct everybody and call them out but cannot handle it when you are corrected when you are clearly wrong. LOL at that.
Animals in heaven???LOL!!Thats just as foolish.That scripture is mankind will be at peace on the earth with ALL the animals.Heaven is a spiritual realm.Flesh and blood dont dwell there.
Your remark telling me A&E were the first humans was an intentional correction on your part.Who u kiddin.Thats why i corrected you with the animals.The bible says the righteous will inherit the earth and reside forever on it.Let your kingdom come on earth as is in heaven.
Why dont you go read how Jehovahs people are being persecuted now in Russia.Kingdom halls being burned.Houses all.Many of them being put in prison.That shouldnt shock you.Jesus was tortured and put to death too for the truth.But do you know what God says about this hurting his people?Its like touching his eyeball.I dont think i have to tell u the end result.
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My apologies to Fusion Cash and the members for dealing with her.i need to heed Jesus words and just leave.I guess im overly sensitive to ignorance.
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There's a TV show to that effect. There are people who seem to be born evil. We are ALL born into sin. The Bible says that the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it? We are not born good. All have sinned and fallen short. So the propensity for it is in all of us. Someone else cited Cain and Able. And, no, they weren't the first 2 humans, Adam and Eve were, but, they were right up there in the first few humans and, already, so soon after sin entered the world you have murder. I would not abort the baby, though, as the Bible does say thou shalt not kill. It's up to God who lives and dies.
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Those that may have been following this and support the bible here are scriptures that support What Gods word says.
No, planet Earth will never be destroyed, burned in fire, or replaced. The Bible teaches that God created the earth to be inhabited forever.
“The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.”—Psalm 37:29.
“[God] has established the earth on its foundations; it will not be moved from its place forever and ever.”—Psalm 104:5.
“The earth remains forever.”—Ecclesiastes 1:4.
“The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, . . . did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited.”—Isaiah 45:18.
Those other teachings are false religeon that Satan has blinded many with.
Even when truth is referenced and shown to the many that reject it and still claim to be Xtian or support the bible,it really shows whats in their heart by obeying Satan and mens doctrines.
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There's a TV show to that effect. There are people who seem to be born evil. We are ALL born into sin. The Bible says that the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it? We are not born good. All have sinned and fallen short. So the propensity for it is in all of us. Someone else cited Cain and Able. And, no, they weren't the first 2 humans, Adam and Eve were, but, they were right up there in the first few humans and, already, so soon after sin entered the world you have murder. I would not abort the baby, though, as the Bible does say thou shalt not kill. It's up to God who lives and dies.
And dont forget the bible says this system lies in the power of Satan to help contribute to the evil.
Of course i knew A&E were the first 2.But C&A were the first 2 in the womb.After all the poster asked if a test could be made in the womb to determine if 1 could be evil before they were born.
Then i was corrected in the way i worded it even tho they knew what i meant.Its almost like when somone has a thing about correcting someone that spells a word wrong.The spirit behind the way they mean it.And i let them know.Could i have just walked away?Probably but for the good of other members here i will not apologize putting truth up here and also warning others to beware of ignorance.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Hello! :D :)
Thanks, everyone for your response, and I agree it's the environment we are born in that can determine how evil we will be. It's our choice if we decide to follow. In the end, it is always our choice. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Hello! :D :)
Thanks, everyone for your response, and I agree it's the environment we are born in that can determine how evil we will be. It's our choice if we decide to follow. In the end, it is always our choice. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Yes it looks like such a test would not be very reliable.
But what baffles me is the bible clearly warns us the devil roars around looking to devour us.Bible chronology shows he and his angles were thrown out of heaven and confined to the earth in 1914.WWI started then and a woe began knowing he had a short period left.
The fascination of the occult is prevalent in music,movies,tv etc.My point is while man is capable of his own evil he has much influence because of the devil.
If a literal hell existed why was Satan in heaven at times until he was thrown out?He has used that and blinded religeon.Surely a god of love would not send his creation to such a place.It is symbolic for grave and death is non-existence.Yet many are blinded by these teachings.Also mens doctrines.
The bible holds nothing back on how wicked and cruel Satan is my point.Just look at the world.Jesus said his government was no part of it and thats ez to see.Book of Revelation tells us to get out of Babylon the Great which is symbolic for false religeon.Soon God will destroy her.
When the tribulation startss everyone will know who God is and his name.
Thank you
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The majority of people in this world are not good. This world is a mean evil place. No not everyone is a murderer but most people in the world today are not good people.
I'm going to disagree with this one. I do not deny that there are many bad and misguided people in the world. We do not live in a utopia and there is evil like the world has never seen before... but there is also plenty of good! I think deep down that most people in the world ARE good. I also think that many of the people whose ideals and politics I strongly disagree with are still good people (just infuriating and sometimes short sighted).
I am not aways right and I sometimes do stupid things or say stupid things or am insensitive to certain causes or people, but I am a good person. I like to think that most people are as well - even those I disagree with.
There are most definitely some exceptions and some extremely evil exceptions - I will not deny that!
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I agree , it is not our choice to take a life. God allows lives because He has a plan for that life. It is up to the parent(s) and family (community) to make sure the life is worth something. I would not abort!
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I would like to say no since I have no clue if its true or not but I did had a so called friend who used me and others for $$$$ from elementary school till freshmen college days, Its stupid I know why would I be friends with someone like that. Thank god I called it off and as soon as I did I found out my other friends joined in as well I later then found out that I was not the only one being used by him even his ex was used by him to help him fix his car up. I called that born evil I guess ?
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^ But is that really "born evil" or just a manipulative person taking advantage of others' generosity? I wouldn't really call that person evil. Either way, it sounds like a good call on your part in distancing yourself from this person.
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Go ahead and respond calling me names and putting me down and telling me I am going to Hell and how I am wrong. I don't care. I will be blocking you so I do not have to see your non-sense any further.
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I have blocked them, too. Don't need so much negativity...
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Go ahead and respond calling me names and putting me down and telling me I am going to Hell and how I am wrong. I don't care. I will be blocking you so I do not have to see your non-sense any further.
I have blocked them, too. Don't need so much negativity...
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Just let your yes mean yes and your no mean no......no need for a parade!!
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Hi,
I am a Christian. I believe we are born sinful. We our saved when we repent from our sins and trust in Jesus as our Savior. He died on the cross to pay for our sins! I am saved not because of anything I have done, but by and through His amazing grace.
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I don't think so. I think people turn evil.
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We are born into a world filled with evil, God gave us a mind to choose right from wrong, you can't put a label on how you are born, good or bad.
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Hello! :D :)
Overall it's a mixture of things in our life that will determine who we become in the future. In all, it's start with you and it will end with you the choice is yours. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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You mean like they do in Cuba? Arresting people who haven't committed a crime because they MIGHT commit one... but with unborn children and abortion? ???
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You mean like they do in Cuba? Arresting people who haven't committed a crime because they MIGHT commit one... but with unborn children and abortion? ???
Better yet.Go read what the Russian government is doing to the Jehovahs Witnesses.
It will get worse and mercifully God will step in.Its like touching HIS eyeball.
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You mean like they do in Cuba? Arresting people who haven't committed a crime because they MIGHT commit one... but with unborn children and abortion? ???
Hello! :D :)
They do that in Cuba, how awful and judgmental is that? I totally feel for the people who have to deal with that, may that change one day. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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Some people can. Just look at them
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Only in the movies you can be born evil.
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That depends on you I guess. If you raise your baby right then he should be ok but if you don't then anything could be possible. Maybe you should look at your environment if this really concerns you. ???
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Good catch, countrygirl12.
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We are all born with a sin nature.
We don't need to be taught to be bad. We need to learn how to be good. :angel11:
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We are all born with a sin nature.
We don't need to be taught to be bad. We need to learn how to be good. :angel11:
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True. I do think the people who raise kids have a huge influence on how they turn out as an adult. But even kids who are raised by bad people can still be a good person.
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Good catch, countrygirl12.
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Prov 17:28 28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Catch that!
I make the honest mistake not putting "in the womb"after first 2 humans born and these scholars jump on you like a cat.Its obvious why they did.Thats what makes em look even more foolish.They were not concerned how i addressed the topic but more so looking for errors.
They treat this as competition on bible truths.....could care less what bible truth is.They are just going to die and go to heaven and be with the animals!!!LOL!!
Thats what they think...there are animals in heaven.And they nit-pick my typo.Thats why i put Prov 17:28.Fools are considered wise when they know NOT to speak.Says much about them eh?
Im dying to hear their explanation what does Grandma got run over by a reindeer.....Little drummer boy....mistletoe...Santa....etc etc.....have to do with the birth of Jesus?12/25 isnt even listed in the bible.But yet we know exact date of Passover every year cos God commanded it.
Is it EZ to those following this why this world is in trouble?Scholars???HAHA!Sad!
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"Heads up sensitive topic"
Hi everyone! :D :)
If there was a test to determine the likelihood of a baby becoming a murderer while still in the womb would you support aborting the Fetus or would you let the environment attempt to change him or her for the better? For me, the answer is no because I think it is not within any of our power to choose who lives and who dies. With all the taking of innocent lives lately, what do you think? :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
The bible says thou shall not kill.I guess it depends if you support God or not.
Judas found favor with God and turned traitor.There was no fore knowledge at the time in all fairness to God giving us freedom of choice.
I bring them up to for this reason that man cannot know if a baby in the womb was going to be born evil.Look at Cain and Abel.The first 2 humans.1 found favor with God the other was warned by God RE sin and Cain gave in and killed his brother.
We are tried and drawn by our own desire.You can dismiss robbing the bank as an example.If the desire becomes fertile you act upon it and sin.
I believe that at 1 time there was a FC member that said she was raped twice and her 2 sons were a blessing.I guess that test wouldnt determine likely that the boys father being an evil rapist could pass this on to his children by the looks of it so far.
That test belongs on Twilight Zone.
Sadly a drug addict or an alcoholic can pass the addiction on and in the worst case Adam passed sin and death to the human race.But there are remedies even for those examples.
Cain and Able were not the first two humans. Adam and Eve were the first two humans.
Good catch, countrygirl12.
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OH...1 last thing.Does the bible say poopy bags are allowed in heaven?
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I do not believe that people are born evil, that is a Myth...but I do believe that people will turn to evil.
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OH...1 last thing.Does the bible say poopy bags are allowed in heaven?
I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and a tremendous testament of both the ancient Jews and the early Christians and the common denominator between the two - Jesus. But I do not believe that it is the sole and only complete authority of everything. What I mean is that it does not contain every possible rule, experience, scenario that we might encounter in our earthly lives nor does it give us a complete understanding of what we will experience in Heaven or Hell. Does it give us imagery and representations that we can relate to based upon our human earthly experience? Yes Absolutely! But it does not give us an absolute and complete blueprint of Heaven or Hell because we cannot fathom the afterlife experience with our limited human minds. So the Bible puts it into images that we can understand and relate to in our own human experiences.
It is with that understanding (and others may disagree) that I believe it is impossible for the Bible to contain every last tiniest detail of what is or isn't awaiting us. Just because the Bible doesn't address the presence of poopy bags in Heaven - I don't believe that is definitive evidence that there are no animals in Heaven. (This doesn't even consider the idea that whoever and whatever is in Heaven - they aren't there in the same physical earthly bodies. The Bible also doesn't discuss toilets and sanitary sewers, but that isn't definitive proof that people aren't in Heaven).
I'm not saying that there are or are not animals in Heaven - I'm just saying that I don't think the Bible tells us for sure - nor is it meant to tell us for sure. It is intended to teach us how to be good to each other and how to get ourselves and our loved ones into Heaven.
So coming full circle back to the original question - we can never know what is in a person's heart = whether an unborn child or a convicted death row inmate. God is the only true judge and He is the only one with the clean hands to decide whether someone is good or evil and when is the proper time for that individual to be called forward to be judged.
Abortion is wrong. Murder is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Capital punishment is wrong. Any act of killing another (absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another) is wrong.
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Some people can. They don't know how to be nice
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OH...1 last thing.Does the bible say poopy bags are allowed in heaven?
I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and a tremendous testament of both the ancient Jews and the early Christians and the common denominator between the two - Jesus. But I do not believe that it is the sole and only complete authority of everything. What I mean is that it does not contain every possible rule, experience, scenario that we might encounter in our earthly lives nor does it give us a complete understanding of what we will experience in Heaven or Hell. Does it give us imagery and representations that we can relate to based upon our human earthly experience? Yes Absolutely! But it does not give us an absolute and complete blueprint of Heaven or Hell because we cannot fathom the afterlife experience with our limited human minds. So the Bible puts it into images that we can understand and relate to in our own human experiences.
It is with that understanding (and others may disagree) that I believe it is impossible for the Bible to contain every last tiniest detail of what is or isn't awaiting us. Just because the Bible doesn't address the presence of poopy bags in Heaven - I don't believe that is definitive evidence that there are no animals in Heaven. (This doesn't even consider the idea that whoever and whatever is in Heaven - they aren't there in the same physical earthly bodies. The Bible also doesn't discuss toilets and sanitary sewers, but that isn't definitive proof that people aren't in Heaven).
I'm not saying that there are or are not animals in Heaven - I'm just saying that I don't think the Bible tells us for sure - nor is it meant to tell us for sure. It is intended to teach us how to be good to each other and how to get ourselves and our loved ones into Heaven.
So coming full circle back to the original question - we can never know what is in a person's heart = whether an unborn child or a convicted death row inmate. God is the only true judge and He is the only one with the clean hands to decide whether someone is good or evil and when is the proper time for that individual to be called forward to be judged.
Abortion is wrong. Murder is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Capital punishment is wrong. Any act of killing another (absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another) is wrong.
First off <and i am sure you know>the poopy bag reference was meant in humor.
I will put some links up for you to decide what truth is.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
Let me ask and tell you somethings.
Would you want to serve a God that would punish his creation in a fiery hell?The bible says God is love.And it also says Satan has blinded many a mind to make God look evil by creating false religeon teachings.Remember Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world and Satan has been allowed to rule to see where the heart conditions belong to us who we want to rule.
The bible also says ALL scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.IOW...it answers everything.
The righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever after God has done away with this Satanic system that has been allowed to rule to see what side people will choose.Life or death.
Why would a loving God create man to die and then go to a heaven or hell.Makes no sense.He should have just made more angels.But the bible says the earth remains forever.He didnt create it for nothing.
Book of Revelation does say 144000 here on earth will rule with Jesus after Armagheddon.The GREATER crowd that survive will look forward to Gods original purpose and turn this planet into a paradise with Gods kingdom ruling from heaven.
Its all there in bible.Just a matter of whose side you are on.
BTW...man is made in Gods image...NOT animals.God told man to have them in his subjection.Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven either.
A spiritual cow????LOL!!I dont think so!!
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No. I don't think so, all of us born like an angel but life's experienced, struggles and circumstances make the people evil.
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I believe genes play a part in someone being evil and that person circumstances growing up in that particular household. Everyone grows up differently.
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I have to say if there ever was a test to determine if a child was born evil and had the option to abort the fetus, I am going to go with no because I always lean on the side of hope. To me good and evil (being Jewish both come from G-d) has always been a moral issue and honestly that would be hard to determine by a test. I mean if you think of all the senseless killings, I think they come down to good people having a moment of uncontrollable anger or sorrow. A certain twenty year veteran cop never written up or anything goes to the movies and shoots a kid dead because he was pissed the kid was texting during the movie previews. A guy breaks up with his girlfriend and takes his father's gun then goes to the school shoots it up, then kills his girlfriend then himself. Just two real life circumstances that would prove the test defaulty from the start, if the goal is to eliminate murderers. The true answer to this question is to watch Minority Report with Tom Cruise (or a few episodes of that short TV show). I mean I don't even think serial killers who may start off as early as their teen years are flat out evil. I don't think anyone really is born evil at the get go. I think environment, circumstances, beliefs, influences all factor into a person being evil or rather do evil things but pure evil? As in 'a spawn of Satan'? Honestly, I think that is pure Hollywood. Yes, there are people out there who are brutally evil that can be labeled this, but if you go back to their history it generally is a series of events that lead up too the actual 'going evil' and if any of those events had been altered, the person would not have turned out the way the did. To not even give them the opportunity to change what the test claims is their nature to me is just wrong.
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OH...1 last thing.Does the bible say poopy bags are allowed in heaven?
I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and a tremendous testament of both the ancient Jews and the early Christians and the common denominator between the two - Jesus. But I do not believe that it is the sole and only complete authority of everything. What I mean is that it does not contain every possible rule, experience, scenario that we might encounter in our earthly lives nor does it give us a complete understanding of what we will experience in Heaven or Hell. Does it give us imagery and representations that we can relate to based upon our human earthly experience? Yes Absolutely! But it does not give us an absolute and complete blueprint of Heaven or Hell because we cannot fathom the afterlife experience with our limited human minds. So the Bible puts it into images that we can understand and relate to in our own human experiences.
It is with that understanding (and others may disagree) that I believe it is impossible for the Bible to contain every last tiniest detail of what is or isn't awaiting us. Just because the Bible doesn't address the presence of poopy bags in Heaven - I don't believe that is definitive evidence that there are no animals in Heaven. (This doesn't even consider the idea that whoever and whatever is in Heaven - they aren't there in the same physical earthly bodies. The Bible also doesn't discuss toilets and sanitary sewers, but that isn't definitive proof that people aren't in Heaven).
I'm not saying that there are or are not animals in Heaven - I'm just saying that I don't think the Bible tells us for sure - nor is it meant to tell us for sure. It is intended to teach us how to be good to each other and how to get ourselves and our loved ones into Heaven.
So coming full circle back to the original question - we can never know what is in a person's heart = whether an unborn child or a convicted death row inmate. God is the only true judge and He is the only one with the clean hands to decide whether someone is good or evil and when is the proper time for that individual to be called forward to be judged.
Abortion is wrong. Murder is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Capital punishment is wrong. Any act of killing another (absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another) is wrong.
First off <and i am sure you know>the poopy bag reference was meant in humor.
I will put some links up for you to decide what truth is.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
Let me ask and tell you somethings.
Would you want to serve a God that would punish his creation in a fiery hell?The bible says God is love.And it also says Satan has blinded many a mind to make God look evil by creating false religeon teachings.Remember Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world and Satan has been allowed to rule to see where the heart conditions belong to us who we want to rule.
The bible also says ALL scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.IOW...it answers everything.
The righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever after God has done away with this Satanic system that has been allowed to rule to see what side people will choose.Life or death.
Why would a loving God create man to die and then go to a heaven or hell.Makes no sense.He should have just made more angels.But the bible says the earth remains forever.He didnt create it for nothing.
Book of Revelation does say 144000 here on earth will rule with Jesus after Armagheddon.The GREATER crowd that survive will look forward to Gods original purpose and turn this planet into a paradise with Gods kingdom ruling from heaven.
Its all there in bible.Just a matter of whose side you are on.
BTW...man is made in Gods image...NOT animals.God told man to have them in his subjection.Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven either.
A spiritual cow????LOL!!I dont think so!!
"Would you want to serve a God that would punish his creation in a fiery hell?"
Would you want to serve a God who is indifferent to justice and doesn't punish or reward people for their behavior?
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JJ to put the evil one out of existence forever isnt punishing them where they wont reap the benefits and live forever in a paradise earth or rule with Jesus in heaven?
Living forever under a righteous government isnt a reward?
And if i may,Michelle i guess you dont support bible cos Gods word DEFINITELY supports Satan exists.
Re the 2 of you to save band width cos ive been overt his many times...JW.org and then choose hell or Satan to get bible truths.....or for that matter anyone else cos my gut says JJ or Michelle wouldnt be interested.
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Not everyone deserves to be rewarded. The bible speaks clearly of the punishments of Hell. Jesus Christ Himself referred to Hell in His teachings as often as Heaven.
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Not everyone deserves to be rewarded. The bible speaks clearly of the punishments of Hell. Jesus Christ Himself referred to Hell in His teachings as often as Heaven.
The God i worship is the God of the bible and it clearly says HE is a God of Love.Jehovah is his name.
Satan is also referred to as a god.......he even made it look like in book of Job Jehovah caused his calamity.
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OH...1 last thing.Does the bible say poopy bags are allowed in heaven?
I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and a tremendous testament of both the ancient Jews and the early Christians and the common denominator between the two - Jesus. But I do not believe that it is the sole and only complete authority of everything. What I mean is that it does not contain every possible rule, experience, scenario that we might encounter in our earthly lives nor does it give us a complete understanding of what we will experience in Heaven or Hell. Does it give us imagery and representations that we can relate to based upon our human earthly experience? Yes Absolutely! But it does not give us an absolute and complete blueprint of Heaven or Hell because we cannot fathom the afterlife experience with our limited human minds. So the Bible puts it into images that we can understand and relate to in our own human experiences.
It is with that understanding (and others may disagree) that I believe it is impossible for the Bible to contain every last tiniest detail of what is or isn't awaiting us. Just because the Bible doesn't address the presence of poopy bags in Heaven - I don't believe that is definitive evidence that there are no animals in Heaven. (This doesn't even consider the idea that whoever and whatever is in Heaven - they aren't there in the same physical earthly bodies. The Bible also doesn't discuss toilets and sanitary sewers, but that isn't definitive proof that people aren't in Heaven).
I'm not saying that there are or are not animals in Heaven - I'm just saying that I don't think the Bible tells us for sure - nor is it meant to tell us for sure. It is intended to teach us how to be good to each other and how to get ourselves and our loved ones into Heaven.
So coming full circle back to the original question - we can never know what is in a person's heart = whether an unborn child or a convicted death row inmate. God is the only true judge and He is the only one with the clean hands to decide whether someone is good or evil and when is the proper time for that individual to be called forward to be judged.
Abortion is wrong. Murder is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Capital punishment is wrong. Any act of killing another (absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another) is wrong.
First off <and i am sure you know>the poopy bag reference was meant in humor.
I will put some links up for you to decide what truth is.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
Let me ask and tell you somethings.
Would you want to serve a God that would punish his creation in a fiery hell?The bible says God is love.And it also says Satan has blinded many a mind to make God look evil by creating false religeon teachings.Remember Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world and Satan has been allowed to rule to see where the heart conditions belong to us who we want to rule.
The bible also says ALL scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.IOW...it answers everything.
The righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever after God has done away with this Satanic system that has been allowed to rule to see what side people will choose.Life or death.
Why would a loving God create man to die and then go to a heaven or hell.Makes no sense.He should have just made more angels.But the bible says the earth remains forever.He didnt create it for nothing.
Book of Revelation does say 144000 here on earth will rule with Jesus after Armagheddon.The GREATER crowd that survive will look forward to Gods original purpose and turn this planet into a paradise with Gods kingdom ruling from heaven.
Its all there in bible.Just a matter of whose side you are on.
BTW...man is made in Gods image...NOT animals.God told man to have them in his subjection.Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven either.
A spiritual cow????LOL!!I dont think so!!
"Would you want to serve a God that would punish his creation in a fiery hell?"
Would you want to serve a God who is indifferent to justice and doesn't punish or reward people for their behavior?
It is not wrong to defend yourself even if you have to defend yourself up to taking another person's life. You cannot tell me if some thug forces entry in to your home and is raping your young daughter you would stand there and let it happen. You would do whatever you had to in order to stop the actions.
You can nitpick the Bible to pieces and argue and fight over what every little thing means. In my opinion, and there seem to be a few on here, people who do this are most likely not saved and have no idea other than knowing the info contained in the Bible.
I know a guy who KNOWS the Bible. If he dies today he is going to hell. And he even will tell you this. He will tell you he isn't saved.
Back to the original argument - First off the Bible does not say that only 144,000 people are going to Heaven. Goes back to people interpret things they way they want to see them. With the orig question I do not even know how this got in to an argument about animals and Heaven. Oh wait, yeah I do some idiot wanted to use it as a way to attack me based on a previous conversation. lol The Bible mentions animals being in Heaven in more than one place. When God first created the Earth it was paradise until sin entered the world. There were animals there. Either way, I am not sure why idiots want to try to fight about something that doesn't even matter. You need to worry more about whether you are going to be there and no so much about what somebody else thinks or believes. At the end of the day does it even matter?
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It is not wrong to defend yourself even if you have to defend yourself up to taking another person's life. You cannot tell me if some thug forces entry in to your home and is raping your young daughter you would stand there and let it happen. You would do whatever you had to in order to stop the actions.
Not sure if this part was directed at me, but on the chance that it was, you are 100% correct and I am in full agreement. Self defense or the defense of another from imminent bodily harm is absolutely legitimate in taking the life of another person. I didn't spell it out completely, but that was what I meant when I said: "(absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another)".
If I encountered a man hurting my wife or child in a violent way, I would do anything (including killing him) to protect my wife or child - with the goal/intention = to stop the harm. But to kill that man "after the fact" when the violent act is no longer being committed (as much as I might want to do that) is wrong.
Vengeance or retribution killing (including capital punishment) is murder in my opinion. But like you said, we are getting pretty far away from the original post.
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No. I don't think so, all of us born like an angel but life's experienced, struggles and circumstances make the people evil.
Actually we aren't. We are born with a sinful nature.
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I have to say if there ever was a test to determine if a child was born evil and had the option to abort the fetus, I am going to go with no because I always lean on the side of hope. To me good and evil (being Jewish both come from G-d) has always been a moral issue and honestly that would be hard to determine by a test. I mean if you think of all the senseless killings, I think they come down to good people having a moment of uncontrollable anger or sorrow. A certain twenty year veteran cop never written up or anything goes to the movies and shoots a kid dead because he was pissed the kid was texting during the movie previews. A guy breaks up with his girlfriend and takes his father's gun then goes to the school shoots it up, then kills his girlfriend then himself. Just two real life circumstances that would prove the test defaulty from the start, if the goal is to eliminate murderers. The true answer to this question is to watch Minority Report with Tom Cruise (or a few episodes of that short TV show). I mean I don't even think serial killers who may start off as early as their teen years are flat out evil. I don't think anyone really is born evil at the get go. I think environment, circumstances, beliefs, influences all factor into a person being evil or rather do evil things but pure evil? As in 'a spawn of Satan'? Honestly, I think that is pure Hollywood. Yes, there are people out there who are brutally evil that can be labeled this, but if you go back to their history it generally is a series of events that lead up too the actual 'going evil' and if any of those events had been altered, the person would not have turned out the way the did. To not even give them the opportunity to change what the test claims is their nature to me is just wrong.
I am curious as to why you always blot out GOD when you mention His name?
It is not wrong to defend yourself even if you have to defend yourself up to taking another person's life. You cannot tell me if some thug forces entry in to your home and is raping your young daughter you would stand there and let it happen. You would do whatever you had to in order to stop the actions.
Not sure if this part was directed at me, but on the chance that it was, you are 100% correct and I am in full agreement. Self defense or the defense of another from imminent bodily harm is absolutely legitimate in taking the life of another person. I didn't spell it out completely, but that was what I meant when I said: "(absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another)".
If I encountered a man hurting my wife or child in a violent way, I would do anything (including killing him) to protect my wife or child - with the goal/intention = to stop the harm. But to kill that man "after the fact" when the violent act is no longer being committed (as much as I might want to do that) is wrong.
Vengeance or retribution killing (including capital punishment) is murder in my opinion. But like you said, we are getting pretty far away from the original post.
It was just a comment. I was just saying I don't think a person will go to Hell for defending their life even if it means you have to end another life. I don't think you are suppose to just lay back and let a man come in to your house and r-a-p-e you and beat you and kill you if you have the means to stop it.
And it is hard to say on the last part. Yes I agree after the threat is gone it is probably not right to kill them. BUT if somebody hurt your daughter or wife and then killed them you may very well if you got the opportunity later seek revenge. That is the nature of people. I still do not believe you would go to hell if you had been saved. But that gets in to a complete new argument for this crowd. lol
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
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It is not wrong to defend yourself even if you have to defend yourself up to taking another person's life. You cannot tell me if some thug forces entry in to your home and is raping your young daughter you would stand there and let it happen. You would do whatever you had to in order to stop the actions.
Not sure if this part was directed at me, but on the chance that it was, you are 100% correct and I am in full agreement. Self defense or the defense of another from imminent bodily harm is absolutely legitimate in taking the life of another person. I didn't spell it out completely, but that was what I meant when I said: "(absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another)".
If I encountered a man hurting my wife or child in a violent way, I would do anything (including killing him) to protect my wife or child - with the goal/intention = to stop the harm. But to kill that man "after the fact" when the violent act is no longer being committed (as much as I might want to do that) is wrong.
Vengeance or retribution killing (including capital punishment) is murder in my opinion. But like you said, we are getting pretty far away from the original post.
the Scriptures give a person the right to defend himself or others against bodily harm. However, they give no authorization for armed conflicts or the taking of human life in efforts during daytime to protect material possessions.
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So let us sum this topic up even tho we strayed a bit.
Just as the first 2 humans born in the womb of Eve,Cain and Abel...no one knew how they would turn out...Cain being a murderer and Abel being approved by God...no one knew during Eves pregnancy how they would turn out.
As said here,environment,health and mental issues could play a part in their development.Great example is Judas.Honored to be a follower of Jesus.He loved being a thief more and Jesus said it would have been better if he wasnt born cos he sinned against Gods holy spirit where NO forgivness is given.But someone like King David was punished for his terrible sin but God granted forgivness cos David repented.
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Not everyone deserves to be rewarded. The bible speaks clearly of the punishments of Hell. Jesus Christ Himself referred to Hell in His teachings as often as Heaven.
The God i worship is the God of the bible and it clearly says HE is a God of Love.Jehovah is his name.
Satan is also referred to as a god.......he even made it look like in book of Job Jehovah caused his calamity.
So God- being a God of love- makes Him helpless against punishing those who do evil?
I suppose if a murder was in front of a judge, you'd think it was alright for him to say "I can't mete out justice towards this person, otherwise it makes me like Satan?"
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I have to say if there ever was a test to determine if a child was born evil and had the option to abort the fetus, I am going to go with no because I always lean on the side of hope. To me good and evil (being Jewish both come from G-d) has always been a moral issue and honestly that would be hard to determine by a test. I mean if you think of all the senseless killings, I think they come down to good people having a moment of uncontrollable anger or sorrow. A certain twenty year veteran cop never written up or anything goes to the movies and shoots a kid dead because he was pissed the kid was texting during the movie previews. A guy breaks up with his girlfriend and takes his father's gun then goes to the school shoots it up, then kills his girlfriend then himself. Just two real life circumstances that would prove the test defaulty from the start, if the goal is to eliminate murderers. The true answer to this question is to watch Minority Report with Tom Cruise (or a few episodes of that short TV show). I mean I don't even think serial killers who may start off as early as their teen years are flat out evil. I don't think anyone really is born evil at the get go. I think environment, circumstances, beliefs, influences all factor into a person being evil or rather do evil things but pure evil? As in 'a spawn of Satan'? Honestly, I think that is pure Hollywood. Yes, there are people out there who are brutally evil that can be labeled this, but if you go back to their history it generally is a series of events that lead up too the actual 'going evil' and if any of those events had been altered, the person would not have turned out the way the did. To not even give them the opportunity to change what the test claims is their nature to me is just wrong.
I am curious as to why you always blot out GOD when you mention His name?
It is not wrong to defend yourself even if you have to defend yourself up to taking another person's life. You cannot tell me if some thug forces entry in to your home and is raping your young daughter you would stand there and let it happen. You would do whatever you had to in order to stop the actions.
Not sure if this part was directed at me, but on the chance that it was, you are 100% correct and I am in full agreement. Self defense or the defense of another from imminent bodily harm is absolutely legitimate in taking the life of another person. I didn't spell it out completely, but that was what I meant when I said: "(absent a justifiable defense - such as self defense or to prevent serious bodily harm to another)".
If I encountered a man hurting my wife or child in a violent way, I would do anything (including killing him) to protect my wife or child - with the goal/intention = to stop the harm. But to kill that man "after the fact" when the violent act is no longer being committed (as much as I might want to do that) is wrong.
Vengeance or retribution killing (including capital punishment) is murder in my opinion. But like you said, we are getting pretty far away from the original post.
It was just a comment. I was just saying I don't think a person will go to Hell for defending their life even if it means you have to end another life. I don't think you are suppose to just lay back and let a man come in to your house and r-a-p-e you and beat you and kill you if you have the means to stop it.
And it is hard to say on the last part. Yes I agree after the threat is gone it is probably not right to kill them. BUT if somebody hurt your daughter or wife and then killed them you may very well if you got the opportunity later seek revenge. That is the nature of people. I still do not believe you would go to hell if you had been saved. But that gets in to a complete new argument for this crowd. lol
I think Jesus advocated self defence in Luke 22:36, where he told the Disciples to buy swords for self protection.
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Once you believe in Christ (the REAL Christ of the bible, of course) you pass from Death to Life. No one can *steal* you from God's Hand.
Of course, some have only "said faith" not real faith and they are the ones who fall away under various conditions. As Christ explained in the parable of the seed in Mark 4.
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I guess the word S n a t c h is forbidden so I used *Steal*. FC has a real wack censor. ::)
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Once you believe in Christ (the REAL Christ of the bible, of course) you pass from Death to Life. No one can *steal* you from God's Hand.
Of course, some have only "said faith" not real faith and they are the ones who fall away under various conditions. As Christ explained in the parable of the seed in Mark 4.
God says once you are saved no one can pluck you from His Hand. It isn't just saying "faith". I know a woman who believes if you just say the word "God" you are okay no matter what.
You have to pray and ask Christ to come in to your heart.
And even after a person is saved they will do things that are wrong. NO way around that and people who say they do not sin are liars.
And yeah the censor on some of the words is foolish. Bad words can make it thru and innocent words that people make bad are flagged. lol.
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Not everyone deserves to be rewarded. The bible speaks clearly of the punishments of Hell. Jesus Christ Himself referred to Hell in His teachings as often as Heaven.
The God i worship is the God of the bible and it clearly says HE is a God of Love.Jehovah is his name.
Satan is also referred to as a god.......he even made it look like in book of Job Jehovah caused his calamity.
So God- being a God of love- makes Him helpless against punishing those who do evil?
I suppose if a murder was in front of a judge, you'd think it was alright for him to say "I can't mete out justice towards this person, otherwise it makes me like Satan?"
2 Peter 3:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Even his patience runs out.Sodom was destroyed wasnt it?He brought the flood to a wicked world didnt he?
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When Jesus told his followers to carry swords on the night before he died, this was not so that they could protect themselves. (Luke 22:36, 38) Rather, Jesus wanted to teach them a lesson: His followers should not use violence, even when they have to face a crowd that has weapons. (Luke 22:52) After Peter used his sword to attack the high priest’s slave, Jesus commanded Peter: “Return your sword to its place.” Then Jesus stated a principle that guides Christians even today: “All those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.”—Matthew 26:51, 52.
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Re hell.....Why isnt Satan in a fiery hell and his angels that followed him?
Through-out the bilbe we see he is NOT only on earth but he is in heaven...until in 1914 he gets removed as Book of Revelation tells us with his horde and confined to earth and the woe begins starting with first WW!
Bible even speaks of Jesus being in hell.hades.sheol.Those meaning common grave for mankind.
A good tree produces fine fruit.A rotten tree produces rotten fruit.Its the same way with many teachings in this world.Those with the right heart condition towards Jehovah will recognize them.Satan has blinded the minds of the un-believers.
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Once you believe in Christ (the REAL Christ of the bible, of course) you pass from Death to Life. No one can *steal* you from God's Hand.
Of course, some have only "said faith" not real faith and they are the ones who fall away under various conditions. As Christ explained in the parable of the seed in Mark 4.
“Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.”—JAMES 2:17.
You and many others support a world with Satan as its god.The bible is clear on that and the conditions here back it up.And then you and others that are blinded say you are saved?
James 4:4 New International Version
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Jesus said most important commandment was to love God.How does 1 say they love someone if they cant even say THEIR name?There is only 1 other FC member here that i am convinced that knows what Gods name is.
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Hello! :D :)
I was thinking about this discussion while I was watching a documentary. The documentary was about Diane Downs daughter who was in her belly while she was on trial. It showed that she was a great mother to her son and nothing like her mother Diane. What it all comes down to is we all have choices we all decide whether to be evil or not. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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I feel that people are born with a clean slate & behavior is mostly learned. I heard on NPR about a behaviorist who as a joke took a brain scan to see if he had any psychotic imagery. Results was he did have them. He couldn't understand why he didn't turn into serial killer or someone who turned into crazy psycho! He found out he was adopted & his biological parents were mentally disturbed not fit to raise a child. He was raised by his foster parents who where worked in the science field. So, he guess it's was nurture not nature that didn't turned him into a psycho & a negative factor in normal society.
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There is also a lot of influence with people being involved with fortune tellers.Can you imagine a pregnant woman going to one and the teller tells her to abort the child cos they would be evil?
The pregnant woman made a mistake in going to the teller in the first place.
When you know the truth it sets you free from situations like this.
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I feel that people are born with a clean slate & behavior is mostly learned. I heard on NPR about a behaviorist who as a joke took a brain scan to see if he had any psychotic imagery. Results was he did have them. He couldn't understand why he didn't turn into serial killer or someone who turned into crazy psycho! He found out he was adopted & his biological parents were mentally disturbed not fit to raise a child. He was raised by his foster parents who where worked in the science field. So, he guess it's was nurture not nature that didn't turned him into a psycho & a negative factor in normal society.
Hello! :D :)
I have to agree with you when we are born we are brand new and taking life in. Nurture could definitely have a positive role and help the person live a better life. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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When Jesus told his followers to carry swords on the night before he died, this was not so that they could protect themselves. (Luke 22:36, 38) Rather, Jesus wanted to teach them a lesson: His followers should not use violence, even when they have to face a crowd that has weapons. (Luke 22:52) After Peter used his sword to attack the high priest’s slave, Jesus commanded Peter: “Return your sword to its place.” Then Jesus stated a principle that guides Christians even today: “All those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.”—Matthew 26:51, 52.
Again: Context. Jesus told them to take swords to defend themselves when going out to preach the gospel:
Luke 22:36
Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”
“Nothing,” they answered.
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
He was not commanding them to protect Him, but themselves during the persicution.
Matt 26:55-56
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”
By your explanation, Jesus told them to carry swords to prove that they would be tempted to use those swords and they did? How absurd!
Then there's this from James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Why would Jesus Christ tell them to take swords, if using a sword is always wrong- when the purpose was to tempt them to use it (which Peter did) and have them fail- when the bible says God NEVER TEMPTS ANYONE??? It's Nonsense!!!!!!!
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Re hell.....Why isnt Satan in a fiery hell and his angels that followed him?
Through-out the bilbe we see he is NOT only on earth but he is in heaven...until in 1914 he gets removed as Book of Revelation tells us with his horde and confined to earth and the woe begins starting with first WW!
Bible even speaks of Jesus being in hell.hades.sheol.Those meaning common grave for mankind.
A good tree produces fine fruit.A rotten tree produces rotten fruit.Its the same way with many teachings in this world.Those with the right heart condition towards Jehovah will recognize them.Satan has blinded the minds of the un-believers.
So Satan only got cast out of heaven when the JWs became organised in 1914? lol This is cult theology 101. lol
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Once you believe in Christ (the REAL Christ of the bible, of course) you pass from Death to Life. No one can *steal* you from God's Hand.
Of course, some have only "said faith" not real faith and they are the ones who fall away under various conditions. As Christ explained in the parable of the seed in Mark 4.
“Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.”—JAMES 2:17.
You and many others support a world with Satan as its god.The bible is clear on that and the conditions here back it up.And then you and others that are blinded say you are saved?
James 4:4 New International Version
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Jesus said most important commandment was to love God.How does 1 say they love someone if they cant even say THEIR name?There is only 1 other FC member here that i am convinced that knows what Gods name is.
Satan is called the god of the world, because the world at large hasn't yet acknowledged Christ as King. It has nothing to do with everybody EXCEPT the Jehovah Witnesses being satan worshippers.
And as we've gone over a million times, one does NOT have to address God as JEHOVAH to be saved. Nowhere is that commanded. You guys have made that name the Idol which you have falsely worshipped on.
Accepting Jesus Christ as the Atonement for the forgiveness of our sins and confessing Him as Lord & Savior is the only requirement to be saved.
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I don't know whether some people who commit crimes (particularly violent ones) have "evil genes" or not, but even if they do, I think everyone should be given the chance to grow up as best as possible and then see later if they turn out to be criminals. Maybe a good environment will temper at least some with "evil genes" so that they never end up actually doing harm to others.
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Re hell.....Why isnt Satan in a fiery hell and his angels that followed him?
Through-out the bilbe we see he is NOT only on earth but he is in heaven...until in 1914 he gets removed as Book of Revelation tells us with his horde and confined to earth and the woe begins starting with first WW!
Bible even speaks of Jesus being in hell.hades.sheol.Those meaning common grave for mankind.
A good tree produces fine fruit.A rotten tree produces rotten fruit.Its the same way with many teachings in this world.Those with the right heart condition towards Jehovah will recognize them.Satan has blinded the minds of the un-believers.
So Satan only got cast out of heaven when the JWs became organised in 1914? lol This is cult theology 101. lol
The bible students as they were called before beings called JWs were organized long before 1914.1914 was the date they pointed to that Gods kingdom was to start ruling from heaven and Satan and his angels were tossed out.YOU said the JWs were organized in 1914.Pay attn!
Pretty easy to see the woe that started in 1914 starting with WW I when Satan and his angels confined to earth.
Youd rather disagree then look up the answers to this cos your mind is already corrupted by what your Babylonish teachings spew.JW.org as a reminder.
You absolutely dont get it.Jesus said to love your enemies.Peter wasnt being attacked that he needed to draw his sword.That is backed up by what Jesus says afterward.If you had the RIGHT heart condition you might understand.You dont thats why you see as you see it and NOT as how God views it.
It really shows how blind UR.In 1 of ur earlier post you said Jesus supports Peters defense.You silly fool....then why does he say what will happen to all who draw the sword?
Stick to Star Trek...the bible ISNT fantasy world
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I dont expect everyone to understand this...if 1 does it was worth putting up.
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Once you believe in Christ (the REAL Christ of the bible, of course) you pass from Death to Life. No one can *steal* you from God's Hand.
Of course, some have only "said faith" not real faith and they are the ones who fall away under various conditions. As Christ explained in the parable of the seed in Mark 4.
“Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.”—JAMES 2:17.
You and many others support a world with Satan as its god.The bible is clear on that and the conditions here back it up.And then you and others that are blinded say you are saved?
James 4:4 New International Version
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
Jesus said most important commandment was to love God.How does 1 say they love someone if they cant even say THEIR name?There is only 1 other FC member here that i am convinced that knows what Gods name is.
Satan is called the god of the world, because the world at large hasn't yet acknowledged Christ as King. It has nothing to do with everybody EXCEPT the Jehovah Witnesses being satan worshippers.
And as we've gone over a million times, one does NOT have to address God as JEHOVAH to be saved. Nowhere is that commanded. You guys have made that name the Idol which you have falsely worshipped on.
Accepting Jesus Christ as the Atonement for the forgiveness of our sins and confessing Him as Lord & Savior is the only requirement to be saved.
KJV Psalms 83:18 tells us what Gods name is!Try looking it up and if u wanna disagree with KJV thats your decision.
Jesus speaks of Satan being the ruler of this world and being offered all the kingdoms if Jesus would do an act of worship to Satan.How blind can u be?
“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His name in a worthless way.” —Exodus 20:7.
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You will get your chance to show what god you support and how you feel about Jehovah.The whole world will.There are only 2 choices.Satan controls all the other false gods and opposes Jehovah so its EZ to see who you support.
He that is not with me scatters said Jesus who had no problem using Gods name.Bible said Jesus had made his name known the only TRUE God and the one u sent in Jesus Christ.
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Even after Jesus proved beyond a doubt he was Gods son many still reviled him.We are warned in this Satanice world the devil will bring pressure to Gods people.Go read what is happening in Russia NOW
Jesus said to be prepared to pick up your torture stake.If they did it to him they will do it to his followers.You read the bible you will see examples and they are for our benefit.
We havent seen even the tip of the iceberg yet.Just wait till governments destroy babylon the Great <false empire of Christendom>The beginning of Tribulation that has not been seen and if God didnt cut it short no flesh would be saved.
But Jehovah is TRUE to those that love him and earnestly seek HIM and the days will be cut short for those survivors.
And to many faithful that have passed or pass away during The Tribulation Jehovah has an endless memory and he will resurrect them in 1000 yr rein of Jesus while Satan and his hords are abyssed
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Now if you want a debate why dont you contact ControversialGirl.She will gladly give you 1.
She did me a favor by blocking me she said.You can feel free to do the same if the JWS views bother u.We have nothing in common RE bible teachings.If u wanna discuss NFL,baseball etc i have no prob with it.
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1 last comment you made to prove you are in need of a bible study Re Gods name......
“Take Refuge in the Name of Jehovah”
“I shall certainly let remain . . . a people humble and lowly, and they will actually take refuge in the name of Jehovah.”—ZEPH. 3:12.
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BTW The Bible student movement started in 1881...
Where u came up with in 1914 proves how very little u know...but im not surprised i have seen it 10 fold over these discussions.
But again new members coming in all the time and others reading...as i always say if 1 gets it it was worth putting up.
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The fact Jesus healed the roman soldiers ear after Peter drew his sword backs up his view on loving our enemies.
He asked his father to forgive them as he died on the stake.Dont give me this *rap about Jesus supporting weapons.Peter failed the test thats why he scolded him.
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??? I believe that everything is learned, not born with.
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not really the devil just got people doing crazy things and is not good >:( >:( >:(
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Hello! :D :)
What it all comes down is to choices and decisions. The devil can't control you without your permission. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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we all have a good self and an evil one. just evil is in anotha dimension or universe.
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Hello! :D :)
What it all comes down is to choices and decisions. The devil can't control you without your permission. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Yes that is true.But the bible says he transforms himself into an angel of light.IOW make the situation tempting so we bite.
He tempted Jesus 3X before Jesus went out to his ministry.He told him to take a hike everytime.But with Eve he not only lied by telling her she wouldnt die if she disobeyed but they would be better off independent of Gods rules and decide for themselves what was good and bad.
Doomed the human race because they brought death and i dont think i have to tell you how successful man has been without Gods rulership.Thats the answer to the question why God has allowed evil to prevail for a little while in his eyes.Remember 1 day to him is like 1000 of our yrs.
Satan has blinded many using religeon.So u say the devil needs our permission but he sweetens the pot so many bite.Jehovah has NOTHING to do with Babylon the Great <false religeon>...He warns us to GET OUT of her before his anger annihilates her.Rightly so.The lies and the doctrines of Satan and man that are supposed to represent the bible and DONT!
ALL of us have a decision whos rulership we will accept.One could relate to everlasting life the other to everlasting judgment.
Math 7:13New International Version
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
That scripture tells us more will reject Jehovah as rightful ruler.He has the right to set the standards cos he is the CREATOR of life and the universe.He forces no one against their will to serve HIM.And by sending Jesus to the earth to represent him and ransom the life Adam threw away by dying.
Perfect sinless life for perfect life Adam threw away.IOW eye for eye.
What it came down to is God knew some of the human race would love him and rather have his rulership after Adam sinned.Thats why he immediately put a plan in place as he said after he spoke to the serpent in Eden.
DO YOU recall the first Bible prophecy? It was uttered by Jehovah God when he said to the Serpent: “I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” (Genesis 3:15)
Its true Satan bruised Jesus in the heel...but God resurrected Jesus to immortal life.A bruise to the head is FINAL.Thats what Jesus will do to Satan.Finish it and put him out of existence with his seed.
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Psalm 83:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
I want to draw attention to the fact that a FC member refers to Gods name as an idol.The result?
Proverbs 28:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
It is a most dangerous thing to hold the name of Jehovah in disrespect, and it is a fatal thing to belittle it. On the other hand, it results in marvelous rewards to hold the name in high respect, to recognize it as the name of the true God, the Creator, the Sovereign of heaven and earth. In fact, the name identifies God as the Purposer toward his creatures, who is not an absentee or unfeeling God, but one who hears and knows those who disrespect his name or belittle it, and who will repay them accordingly. Some will look into God’s Word to find what it says about his name and will respect it and give exclusive devotion to it. Others will be like kings of old who exalted themselves and found that belittling the name of Jehovah resulted in their ruin.
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I don't think any of us were born to be evil. It has something to do the parents not caring for their child properly.
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We are all born sinners and it is up to those raising us to become honorable and good. Then it is our choice whether or not to believe and follow Jesus.
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Hello! :D :)
May one day everything is right in the world so that there may be peace. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
Amen
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I currently live with an evil witch
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Re hell.....Why isnt Satan in a fiery hell and his angels that followed him?
Through-out the bilbe we see he is NOT only on earth but he is in heaven...until in 1914 he gets removed as Book of Revelation tells us with his horde and confined to earth and the woe begins starting with first WW!
Bible even speaks of Jesus being in hell.hades.sheol.Those meaning common grave for mankind.
A good tree produces fine fruit.A rotten tree produces rotten fruit.Its the same way with many teachings in this world.Those with the right heart condition towards Jehovah will recognize them.Satan has blinded the minds of the un-believers.
So Satan only got cast out of heaven when the JWs became organised in 1914? lol This is cult theology 101. lol
The bible students as they were called before beings called JWs were organized long before 1914.1914 was the date they pointed to that Gods kingdom was to start ruling from heaven and Satan and his angels were tossed out.YOU said the JWs were organized in 1914.Pay attn!
Pretty easy to see the woe that started in 1914 starting with WW I when Satan and his angels confined to earth.
Youd rather disagree then look up the answers to this cos your mind is already corrupted by what your Babylonish teachings spew.JW.org as a reminder.
You absolutely dont get it.Jesus said to love your enemies.Peter wasnt being attacked that he needed to draw his sword.That is backed up by what Jesus says afterward.If you had the RIGHT heart condition you might understand.You dont thats why you see as you see it and NOT as how God views it.
It really shows how blind UR.In 1 of ur earlier post you said Jesus supports Peters defense.You silly fool....then why does he say what will happen to all who draw the sword?
Stick to Star Trek...the bible ISNT fantasy world
Someone's been busy!lol
I'm not gonna go replying to every post or I'd be here 10 years.
But the fact is you have no answer (or at least sensible answer) for why Jesus told the Disciples to arm themselves. He obviously didn't want them to need to use them, (and as established, He didn't want them using them in His defence) But one does not tell someone to take a sword if they are forbidden to use it. Again God does not tempt anyone to do wrong.
You returned to the old JW "Torture Stake" reference, which, of course, flies in the face of all historic & biblical precedent.
JW's origins are probably not something you want to get into, since they started as one of a long line of "end times" cults that tried to predict the end of the world- getting it wrong each time, naturally.
And Luke Skywalker comes from Star WARS, not Trek. Get with the times!
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Jesus scolded Peter.If you cant figure it out it just might take you 10 yrs.Its li ke many say God is all knowing.But they cant understand he can choose when to and when not to.A lesson was taught cos of Peters not understanding you dont have to use your sword around others that were armed.Jesus backed it up when he scolded him.
Im not gonna explain the torture stake reference.You are a bigboy and its up on JW.org.I understand you and many need your idol cross good luck charm...LOL!
You seem to forget many apostates and even the apostles went down the wrong path.The bible says only God knows the exact time of the end of the Satanic rule.You look for the wafer in others eyes.Take it out of yours first so u can see more clear before you try to remove it from others.
You can correct me all you want on Trek or Wars.I have no interest in either.I just see the obsession you have with themand they probably play a part with your brain.
Nitpick your own Babylonish BS!!You might make some progress then and see beyond your starry eyes.
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Im not gonna explain the torture stake reference.You are a bigboy and its up on JW.org.I understand you and many need your idol cross good luck charm...LOL!
It is neither an idol nor a good luck charm and your characterization of it in that way is a bit insulting...
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/cross-or-torture-stake-0 (https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/cross-or-torture-stake-0)
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Absolutely not.
First, how many times have scientists corrected themselves and ended up being wrong?
Every soul begins as an innocent, and I am for protecting the innocent. Whatever happens after that does not matter to me. At this point in time, it's a baby.
That is why when people ask if I would abort Hitler as a baby, knowing what the future held - it is extremely easy for me to say "no."
The future is not fixed - if it were fixed, it negates free will.
As long as there is free will, the future can change.
The last thing this world needs is a bunch of people going around killing babies or children all in the name of "saving the world."
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Absolutely not.
First, how many times have scientists corrected themselves and ended up being wrong?
Every soul begins as an innocent, and I am for protecting the innocent. Whatever happens after that does not matter to me. At this point in time, it's a baby.
That is why when people ask if I would abort Hitler as a baby, knowing what the future held - it is extremely easy for me to say "no."
The future is not fixed - if it were fixed, it negates free will.
As long as there is free will, the future can change.
The last thing this world needs is a bunch of people going around killing babies or children all in the name of "saving the world."
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I think that is very well put.You have some that say God knew A&E would sin....well if he knew why did he bother to warn them of consequence.Again FREE will...God can choose when NOT to know the future as well.Its like a person with a good singing voice.They dont sing all the time.They choose when to.
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Im not gonna explain the torture stake reference.You are a bigboy and its up on JW.org.I understand you and many need your idol cross good luck charm...LOL!
It is neither an idol nor a good luck charm and your characterization of it in that way is a bit insulting...
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/cross-or-torture-stake-0 (https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/cross-or-torture-stake-0)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989219
Jehovah does not share his glory with graven images.—Isa 42:8.
I have to laugh.....how many baseball players make the sign of the cross before coming to homeplate?
The catholic church has tons of wood and stone in it to be bowed down to.Scripture in Isiah tells of a man getting a piece of wood and using it to stay warm and cook....then later he carves a god out of it.A DEAD piece of wood.How do you think the true God feels about that?Go read how the Israelites were punished after Jehovah opened the sea for them and save them only to see them bow down to golden calves.
Insult you?No it is you who insults God
Jesus said true worship is worshipping with spirit and truth...NOT wearing a cross around your neck.
If someone in your house was killed by a gun would u wear a replica of the gun around your neck?
Jehovah made the stars and the universe.Do you think he wants to be viewed as a piece of plastic?He told Moses no one can see me and live.That makes sense if he made the stars how must more dynamic must he look?
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I am sure many catholic churches put the nativity scene out.First off do you think Jesus wants to be thought of as a babe in a cowstall when his father elevated to be King of Kings?
Also go read in YOUR bible Math 2nd chapter and see how the nativity scene turned into a murderous spree of 2 yr olds by King Herod.
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No it is just taught. very sad.
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No it is just taught. very sad.
Hello! :D :)
Yes, it is really sad that evil is taught and not neglected altogether. Thankfully there is great beauty in this world too. I've seen some amazing things being done by people with beautiful hearts. :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose: :heart: :rose:
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Jehovah does not share his glory with graven images.—Isa 42:8.
I have to laugh.....how many baseball players make the sign of the cross before coming to homeplate?
The catholic church has tons of wood and stone in it to be bowed down to.Scripture in Isiah tells of a man getting a piece of wood and using it to stay warm and cook....then later he carves a god out of it.A DEAD piece of wood.How do you think the true God feels about that?Go read how the Israelites were punished after Jehovah opened the sea for them and save them only to see them bow down to golden calves.
Insult you?No it is you who insults God
We will just have to agree to disagree then.
You are mistaken in your understanding of what/how the Catholic church worships, but those are far more involved topics of discussion for another place. Nobody is going to have their mind or heart changed in a forum meant for earning spending money!
Regardless of that, calling the cross a "good luck charm" is not a fair characterization. :peace:
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Jehovah does not share his glory with graven images.—Isa 42:8.
I have to laugh.....how many baseball players make the sign of the cross before coming to homeplate?
The catholic church has tons of wood and stone in it to be bowed down to.Scripture in Isiah tells of a man getting a piece of wood and using it to stay warm and cook....then later he carves a god out of it.A DEAD piece of wood.How do you think the true God feels about that?Go read how the Israelites were punished after Jehovah opened the sea for them and save them only to see them bow down to golden calves.
Insult you?No it is you who insults God
We will just have to agree to disagree then.
You are mistaken in your understanding of what/how the Catholic church worships, but those are far more involved topics of discussion for another place. Nobody is going to have their mind or heart changed in a forum meant for earning spending money!
Regardless of that, calling the cross a "good luck charm" is not a fair characterization. :peace:
I am not sure if you support bible or just the catholic teachings.I was brought up a catholic and at a very young age i couldnt understand why a god of love would punish his creation in a firery hell.I thought it made him look wicked and not as love as bible describes him.
I back up all my posts and reference them with the bible.Jesus didnt have a hard telling the religeous leaders in his day they supported Satan and not his father.I dont have a problem speaking out here with authority on the truth.It really isnt hard to see.It just matters where your heart condition is.
You were the one that posted me and disagreed with the cross.I used biblical teachings and there are more backing it up why its an idol.You even have a foolish FC that thinks the name Jehovah is an idol when in Psalms 83:18 KJV it tells u Gods name and the bible backs it up why HE says its important to use it cos it separates him from all the false gods.
Remember you questioned what i said.I only tried to support it.If u check further you will see the cross had pagan origins just like Xmas as another example...12/25 nowheres to be found in bible.I bring it up cos catholics support the pagan holiday when Jesus said to memorialize his death not his birth.
Go read Math 2nd chapter on the murderous occaision i mentioned in earlier topic.HO HO HO!!!Really?
Santa,Rudolph,mistletoe etc what the hec does that have to do with Jesus birth anyway??
Blind!
Sorry..i omitted FC member earlier.Not only did he use Gods name being an idol he said it wasnt important...LOL!!Not sure what bible he reads.God clearly says he wont share his glory with no other false gods.Jesus said I have made YOUR name known...the only true God and the one u sent forth in Jesus Christ.
Bible truths are like a double edge sword.They discern the heart condition of us.Very easy to see that with some on here.Most would rather decide whats good or bad or whats been drilled in their heads.Thats why Jesus said there would be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous cos many died in ignorance of the truth and some may have a change of heart when taught the truth in Jesus 1000 yr rein just like the 1 of the evil-doers did being executed with Jesus next to him on torture stake.He said to Jesus please remember me.Jesus saw his heart was changed and said you will be with me in paradise.Clearly Jesus forgave him for his sins when he realized who Jesus was and what he did for mankind.
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Like I said before - there is little chance of changing of minds in this forum.
I have typed out several responses to your comments here, but each time have chosen to delete each draft because I find myself falling away from my intended sentiment.
Let me just say that it is often impossible to follow your logic at times where you make isolated scriptural references. This isn't 100% due to the stupidity of the reader! They sometimes just do not make any sense, especially when taken singularly out of context.
I respect your devotion, believe me, I really do. But I take issue with your conclusion that anyone who does not see the scripture 100% in line with your opinion as being an apostate. (My words not yours).
At the end of your post, you reference Jesus and the repentant thief who died with him. YES!!! That is at the heart of all this. Forgiveness! We both believe in this same Jesus who saved the world. We both believe that He died for our salvation. Does it really matter that I believe that he died on a wooden cross and that I wear one with his image on it to help me to remember that moment of pure love? Really?
I can tell you a few things with absolute certainty. (1) I do not worship the cross (nor do any Catholics who know their faith), I only worship Jesus, his Father, and the Holy Spirit. (2) The cross is not a "good luck charm." I am not wearing a rabbit's foot around my neck - hoping that it will keep me from harm or misfortune. I am wearing something to remind me of what Jesus did for me. (3) If Jesus did not actually die on a "T" shaped cross, but instead died on a vertical pole - that does not change the fact that he died for ME and to save me from my sins. If I got the manner or shape of it wrong (and I do not believe that I did, but if by chance I have) am I really an ignorant and sinful fool eternally insulting God for it? Really? If that is truly what you are saying, based upon your opinion of what the meaning of the graven images line is about, then that last bit in your post about the repentant thief means absolutely nothing.
So, one more time I say - I find your characterization of the cross as a "good luck charm" offensive.
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Like I said before - there is little chance of changing of minds in this forum.
I have typed out several responses to your comments here, but each time have chosen to delete each draft because I find myself falling away from my intended sentiment.
Let me just say that it is often impossible to follow your logic at times where you make isolated scriptural references. This isn't 100% due to the stupidity of the reader! They sometimes just do not make any sense, especially when taken singularly out of context.
I respect your devotion, believe me, I really do. But I take issue with your conclusion that anyone who does not see the scripture 100% in line with your opinion as being an apostate. (My words not yours).
At the end of your post, you reference Jesus and the repentant thief who died with him. YES!!! That is at the heart of all this. Forgiveness! We both believe in this same Jesus who saved the world. We both believe that He died for our salvation. Does it really matter that I believe that he died on a wooden cross and that I wear one with his image on it to help me to remember that moment of pure love? Really?
I can tell you a few things with absolute certainty. (1) I do not worship the cross (nor do any Catholics who know their faith), I only worship Jesus, his Father, and the Holy Spirit. (2) The cross is not a "good luck charm." I am not wearing a rabbit's foot around my neck - hoping that it will keep me from harm or misfortune. I am wearing something to remind me of what Jesus did for me. (3) If Jesus did not actually die on a "T" shaped cross, but instead died on a vertical pole - that does not change the fact that he died for ME and to save me from my sins. If I got the manner or shape of it wrong (and I do not believe that I did, but if by chance I have) am I really an ignorant and sinful fool eternally insulting God for it? Really? If that is truly what you are saying, based upon your opinion of what the meaning of the graven images line is about, then that last bit in your post about the repentant thief means absolutely nothing.
So, one more time I say - I find your characterization of the cross as a "good luck charm" offensive.
All i am doing is supporting how Jehovah feels about idols and much of it the bible supports.You dont need an idol to remind you of what Jesus did.Jesus said worship with spirit and truth.Do u know what that means?God isnt going to back up something that originated with false relgeon.And the cross did.Simple.
Why would you wanna wear something that was used in someones suffering or death on a loved one?Like i said earlier if u had a loved one killed by a gun do you need to wear a replica of it to remind you?
Jehovah is a spirit!Spirit and truth.Backed up by bible.
John 4:23 New International Version
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Go read how God felt when AAron gave in to peer pressure and made the golden calf.Moses interceded on his part cos of AArons faithfulness and God forgave him.God at first was incensed.Did AAron or any of the other Jews need a golden calf forget how Jehovah opened up the sea for them and save them from the Egyptians?
You say u support bible but i wonder how much of it u have been taught.How much more proof do u need to see how God feels about idols?
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The Pharisees wanted to be seen when they prayed.Jesus said because of that they are already getting their reward in full.
Point being many use these idols to draw attention to themselves.And please dont insult me.I am not accusing you but many use them for good luck charms.Spirit and truth get it done.
Ever hear this......
I dont care if it rains or freezes as long as i have my plastic Jesus on the dashboard of my car.
Remember you arent disagreeing with me.This is how God feels and its backed up by his word.
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Ugetpaid...i agree when u say there is little interest in forum Re the bible.I am very aware of that and the bible backs that up saying the road is spacious to destruction.IOW many wont listen.
I am more then happy to explain my posts if the chat is friendly and doesnt turn into a debate.I promise i wont bite your head off if u disagree as long as i perceive you are being kind.I have taken attitude to some here for obvious reasons of their hate for Gods organization and the worldwide brotherhood they are and follow their teacher Jesus faithfully.
I am far from perfect and i use the bible the best i can to explain the posts.I am sorry if some disagree.I find even when u show some proof they will still resort to their ignorance.If u need examples i am or an explanation i am happy to provide as i have tried to do using the bible on idols.
What has happened in this world man and satanic doctrines have replaced bible truths and when u point that out their ignorance comes out full force.
I always had a problem being younger why God allowed wickedness to prevail.Being brought up a catholic that was never answered to me.Jehovahs organization and his people and their bible aids did.Plus i have seen they have love among themselves within their meetiing etc.An identifying quality Jesus said his followers would have.
You have a foolish FC member here that says Jesus backed up his followers carrying swords.If that were the case why did Jesus scold Peter when he used it to defend him.The member didnt get the lesson Jesus was trying to teach you dont need to use the sword around others that were armed.If Jesus supported it he would have thanked and praised Peter.Instead he scolded him.Understand?
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I am more then happy to explain my posts if the chat is friendly and doesnt turn into a debate.I promise i wont bite your head off if u disagree as long as i perceive you are being kind.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across more harshly than necessary.
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Like I said before - there is little chance of changing of minds in this forum.
I have typed out several responses to your comments here, but each time have chosen to delete each draft because I find myself falling away from my intended sentiment.
Let me just say that it is often impossible to follow your logic at times where you make isolated scriptural references. This isn't 100% due to the stupidity of the reader! They sometimes just do not make any sense, especially when taken singularly out of context.
I respect your devotion, believe me, I really do. But I take issue with your conclusion that anyone who does not see the scripture 100% in line with your opinion as being an apostate. (My words not yours).
At the end of your post, you reference Jesus and the repentant thief who died with him. YES!!! That is at the heart of all this. Forgiveness! We both believe in this same Jesus who saved the world. We both believe that He died for our salvation. Does it really matter that I believe that he died on a wooden cross and that I wear one with his image on it to help me to remember that moment of pure love? Really?
I can tell you a few things with absolute certainty. (1) I do not worship the cross (nor do any Catholics who know their faith), I only worship Jesus, his Father, and the Holy Spirit. (2) The cross is not a "good luck charm." I am not wearing a rabbit's foot around my neck - hoping that it will keep me from harm or misfortune. I am wearing something to remind me of what Jesus did for me. (3) If Jesus did not actually die on a "T" shaped cross, but instead died on a vertical pole - that does not change the fact that he died for ME and to save me from my sins. If I got the manner or shape of it wrong (and I do not believe that I did, but if by chance I have) am I really an ignorant and sinful fool eternally insulting God for it? Really? If that is truly what you are saying, based upon your opinion of what the meaning of the graven images line is about, then that last bit in your post about the repentant thief means absolutely nothing.
So, one more time I say - I find your characterization of the cross as a "good luck charm" offensive.
Dude. Hit the ignore button. He is crazy and not seeing his posts will make your time in the forum a lot happier :D
You are correct in that most of the Bible verses he spouts out are taken out of concept but the religion he follows does that quite often. The last time they came to my house there were two of them and they tried to force entry in to MY HOME and I had to literally SHOVE the person back out the door. And I didn't even invite them in or open the door. She saw me in the kitchen and started jerking the door trying to get inside. That is a good way to get yourself shot.
You are right about another thing---you def won't change somebody's mind by insulting them and screaming they are going to hell.
And when he responds to my post calling me names, putting me down, and screaming I am going to hell.....
I won't see it lolololol
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I have always believed that evil is learned. A baby is born a blank slate, and doesn't know what hate is. I think as they grown older, people can develop mental issues that make them commit evil acts. To specifically address your question, if I knew while my baby was in the womb that it would be turn out to be evil, I would still give birth to that baby and seek resources to address the impending evil.
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I am more then happy to explain my posts if the chat is friendly and doesnt turn into a debate.I promise i wont bite your head off if u disagree as long as i perceive you are being kind.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across more harshly than necessary.
No need for apologies.I relate well to that as well.
I just read the reply Controversial Girl wrote to you.Its a blessing that she has ignored me,but then she can put 2 and 2 together from other posts.I will keep this short and tell you she isnt very kind.Not only from my perspective but you can add all her posts up and see the kind of person she is.I am glad she isnt my next door neighbor where i would see her.
The fact that she had to write that post to you shows she still wants to tangle and cause trouble by butting in.Ponder that.....all of you.Im sure all this time she has been busting a gut to be involved with what i say.Obvious.Her satisfaction is in her mind having the last word.Tick tick...she'll be back.LOL!
When others didnt agree with Jesus he said to shake the dust off your feet and move on.Shes controversial in everything it seems.Her job,politics etc and then trys to lay blame on those that ticked her off.Sad...and in her mind she thinks shes going to heaven....LOL!
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I am more then happy to explain my posts if the chat is friendly and doesnt turn into a debate.I promise i wont bite your head off if u disagree as long as i perceive you are being kind.
Fair enough. Apologies if I came across more harshly than necessary.
No need for apologies.I relate well to that as well.
I just read the reply Controversial Girl wrote to you.Its a blessing that she has ignored me,but then she can put 2 and 2 together from other posts.I will keep this short and tell you she isnt very kind.Not only from my perspective but you can add all her posts up and see the kind of person she is.I am glad she isnt my next door neighbor where i would see her.
The fact that she had to write that post to you shows she still wants to tangle and cause trouble by butting in.Ponder that.....all of you.
When others didnt agree with Jesus he said to shake the dust off your feet and move on.Shes controversial in everything it seems.Her job,politics etc and then trys to lay blame on those that ticked her off.Sad...and in her mind she thinks shes going to heaven....LOL!
I just reported her for flaming.Gods people are told even more so today that those not interested to take Jesus advice.She comes across like they have to be shot.Go read where Russia is persecuting Gods people and in Washington 4 kingdoms halls were victims of arson.Its just a matter of time before Jehovah is gonna step in.
I forgot to add something also about ControversialGirl that backs up what i say.She says in 1 of her posts i said she is going to hell.Well if she knew anything about the JWs teachings they teach hell doesnt exist.It is the common grave.Maybe if she listened to them when they came to her door she would have learned that.
Whether it be in person or on a forum i really get annoyed being accused of something that isnt true.I should try to be more like Jehovah cos he was accused by Satan of lies.Its a lesson i need to learn better of.And lets not forget what Jesus was accused of and he remained faithful till death.His love for God could not be denied.
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Oh my gosh, I started reading responses some people were leaving and actually lost track of time. I don't believe babies are born evil either. I too believe babies are born into a sinful world with sinful nature. If you are born human... you are born with a sinful nature. The murderer part - certainly that's demonic but I don't believe they were born that way. Something along the way of murders growing, learning and developing as well as environmental factors and life's experience all influence the mind of a murderer.