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Crazy to think that this has happened again...
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It is not a big deal. It has happened over and over and happened several times with the last president. The hilarious thing is this big shut down is during a time when they were all going to be off any way. Somebody was whining on Twitter about how the American people are awful because they don't care about the people who are out of pay for a few days.
WELL NO, I DON"T CARE. There are tons of people out of work right now. I know several who were laid off at the first of Dec. The government doesn't care about them! The people in these government jobs make more in one month that most average people make in a year. Missing a pay check for one week is not a big deal.
It is funny that the ones who are fighting and refuse to compromise are not part of who is effected.
This country is doomed. Nobody even listens to what is being said. They listen to the political party you stand with. And if you are on opposite sides then you are wrong, shut up, end of conversation. You are shut down and people do not want to even listen to what you are saying.
RIP America!
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
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Government shutdowns are pointless. They are a control tactic. The shutdowns hurt those who are most in need of assistance.
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Taxes aren't being raised, freedoms aren't being taken away--as far as I'm concerned they can stay shutdown.
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They probably did this on purpose so they can have the holiday off. Or Trump didn't get his decision he wanted and threatened to shut it down. I say we knock all politicians salaries down to 5 digit numbers instead of 6 digits. Then you wonder why they don't tax the rich.
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Government Shutdown hurts federal workers since they have to work without pay, national parks are closed and especially people who need assistance.
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Government Shutdown hurts federal workers since they have to work without pay, national parks are closed and especially people who need assistance.
I agree with you, it does hurt lots of folks and they are the people who can't afford to to without pay.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
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Government shutdowns are pointless. They are a control tactic. The shutdowns hurt those who are most in need of assistance.
Who that is in need of assistance is being hurt? There was a list on yahoo and none of the people on "assistance' aka welfare are going to be effected.
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They probably did this on purpose so they can have the holiday off. Or Trump didn't get his decision he wanted and threatened to shut it down. I say we knock all politicians salaries down to 5 digit numbers instead of 6 digits. Then you wonder why they don't tax the rich.
LOL they get the holiday off anyway. And this is not Trump's fault. The dumocrats are the ones who refuse to pass the budget. And they do tax the rich. smh People are so foolish. The only ones not paying taxes are the ones living off the government
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Government Shutdown hurts federal workers since they have to work without pay, national parks are closed and especially people who need assistance.
They are not working without pay. They will get paid. Still not understanding who you are saying is being hurt who NEED ASSISTANCE. The welfare checks will still go out. National parks being closed in the middle of winter is not a big deal as most are closed now any way.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
Absolutely! Totally agree.
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
I would agree with you, except for one thing. Who controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency? Republicans own this.
In other circles, it's called extortion.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
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i agree that probable this wont be the last time it will happen when you have so much spending something has got to give.
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Government shutdowns are pointless. They are a control tactic. The shutdowns hurt those who are most in need of assistance.
The shutdown doesn't effect those with government assistance.
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Shutting down the jobs of people who have kids and families to take care of and you don't feel their pain. :(
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I would not want to work without pay witch is what is happening to many government workers. It is sicking if you ask me!
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It happens all the time.
It is all about money and
money fights!
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
I would agree with you, except for one thing. Who controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency? Republicans own this.
In other circles, it's called extortion.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
LOL. The democrats are the ones holding this up. They are the ones who will not agree to the budget. And it is not extortion. I doubt you would say the same thing when the democrats were in control of everything. No you thought that was a good thing. smh.
And FYI Obama shut the government down for over 2 weeks to get his obamacare insurance shoved through. Did you think that was okay? Did you accuse him of extortion? Somehow I think you was okay with that.
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Shutting down the jobs of people who have kids and families to take care of and you don't feel their pain. :(
LOL NO I don't feel their pain. These people make more in ONE month than most of us make in a year. They should have enough money in the bank to live a couple weeks without a pay check. When I have been laid off from my job and drawing roughly $100 a week or can only find a min wage job ($7.25 an hour) with 15 or so hours a week they didn't any of them feel sorry for me. No, they have said to people in that situation you can live just fine on that.
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A lot of people even government workers live from paycheck to paycheck, except for the politicians most of them do not make in a month more than you make in a year.
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A lot of people even government workers live from paycheck to paycheck, except for the politicians most of them do not make in a month more than you make in a year.
LOL YES THEY DO. The people who are in congress who are causing this mess make more in one month than most common folk make in a year. You can deny it all you want but it is the truth. These high up politicians are all freakin rich. And they can afford to miss a pay check unless they just waste a lot of money. And I am sure they do. Most people spend what they make. They make more so they spend more.
Either way I do not feel sorry for them. The democrats have repeatedly said they will oppose ANYTHING President Trump or the Republicans want to do. How can you be so blind as to not see they are the problem. They do not even know or care what they are opposing. The Republicans are for it so THEY are against it.
It is like the meme going around said---at this point if Trump came out in favor of oxygen the democrats would all suffocate themselves.
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:menorah: :santa: :snowflake: Seems like they planned to shut down the government just to have more time of before the holidays. They was gonna get time off of work any ways. The world is still turning even though our government is still shut down. :menorah: :santa: :snowflake:
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its basically because the dems don't want to give the president anything, even though they voted for this before
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They have a shutdown ever year, I worked for them and they always came though with the money at the end.
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its basically because the dems don't want to give the president anything, even though they voted for this before
Exactly. When obame was in office the democrats were all for a boarder wall. And he separated kids from adults. HE is also the one who put them in what they are calling cages. It wasn't a cage. It was a temporary holding cell. Don't want to be in there then don't sneak in to a country ILLEGALLY.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
Nobody is talking about open borders besides Trump. Send money on patrols and moving the court hearings along quickly but this "wall" is a waste. Most illegals are visa overstays. The illegal who shot the cop in CA recently was from Fiji not Mexico so the wall would have been no use. If everyone who believes in the Wall donates to that Gofundme they can have their wall and not take away from other more important uses for 5 billion
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
I would agree with you, except for one thing. Who controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency? Republicans own this.
In other circles, it's called extortion.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
LOL. The democrats are the ones holding this up. They are the ones who will not agree to the budget. And it is not extortion. I doubt you would say the same thing when the democrats were in control of everything. No you thought that was a good thing. smh.
And FYI Obama shut the government down for over 2 weeks to get his obamacare insurance shoved through. Did you think that was okay? Did you accuse him of extortion? Somehow I think you was okay with that.
Sorry, the republicans owned that shutdown too. And FYI, Obamacare was modeled on a Republican plan. Which Republicans thought was great, until it was presented to them by a Democrat.
And no matter how you spin it, the Republicans own this. Why would anyone agree to funding a budget that makes no sense? It's farce.
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
I would agree with you, except for one thing. Who controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency? Republicans own this.
In other circles, it's called extortion.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
LOL. The democrats are the ones holding this up. They are the ones who will not agree to the budget. And it is not extortion. I doubt you would say the same thing when the democrats were in control of everything. No you thought that was a good thing. smh.
And FYI Obama shut the government down for over 2 weeks to get his obamacare insurance shoved through. Did you think that was okay? Did you accuse him of extortion? Somehow I think you was okay with that.
Sorry, the republicans owned that shutdown too. And FYI, Obamacare was modeled on a Republican plan. Which Republicans thought was great, until it was presented to them by a Democrat.
And no matter how you spin it, the Republicans own this. Why would anyone agree to funding a budget that makes no sense? It's farce.
Reality is even his own party s not voting to pass this or it would have been done. Republicans have control over every both houses and the presidency at this time.T
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Government shut downs hurts our 401k with effect on the market. All my work hard money just gone.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
Nobody is talking about open borders besides Trump. Send money on patrols and moving the court hearings along quickly but this "wall" is a waste. Most illegals are visa overstays. The illegal who shot the cop in CA recently was from Fiji not Mexico so the wall would have been no use. If everyone who believes in the Wall donates to that Gofundme they can have their wall and not take away from other more important uses for 5 billion
LOL Are you on drugs or just delusional? Trump is NOT talking about open borders. That is the demos.
The wall is NOT a waste and not the illegals are NOT VISA over stays. Did you miss the huge invasion otherwise known as the caravan where thousands marched across the border? They walk across the border illegally every day. They get caught doing so every day. We need the wall.
What more important issues do you think it should go to? Planned Parenthood where they murder millions of babies every year?
Not sure where you get your info about the ILLEGAL who shot the cop in California but obviously a wall would make a difference because he was apprehended trying to get BACK TO MEXICO!
Every one who is for no wall and open borders needs to take a family of illegals in to their home. You feed them, you clothe them, you pay their medical, you take care of them. Not one penny of tax payer money should go to take care of them or any baby they pop out on US soil.
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Government shutdowns are caused by small baby-men having a temper tantrum because they can't get their way.
I would agree with you, except for one thing. Who controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency? Republicans own this.
In other circles, it's called extortion.
lol And that would apply to EVERY PERSON INVOLVED IN VOTING! The democrats are doing the same thing. They are stomping and screaming because they can't have their way. Get ready for it to get a LOT worse. The democrats have already said they will block ANYTHING that Trump tries to do or that the Republicans are for.
So you are correct. It is all about baby men and women pitching a fit when things do not go exactly their way.
LOL. The democrats are the ones holding this up. They are the ones who will not agree to the budget. And it is not extortion. I doubt you would say the same thing when the democrats were in control of everything. No you thought that was a good thing. smh.
And FYI Obama shut the government down for over 2 weeks to get his obamacare insurance shoved through. Did you think that was okay? Did you accuse him of extortion? Somehow I think you was okay with that.
Sorry, the republicans owned that shutdown too. And FYI, Obamacare was modeled on a Republican plan. Which Republicans thought was great, until it was presented to them by a Democrat.
And no matter how you spin it, the Republicans own this. Why would anyone agree to funding a budget that makes no sense? It's farce.
LOL. Then we just disagree. This is at the democrats doorstep. THEY are the ones who refuse to fund the presented budget.
Like I said the democrats have already said they will buck on ANYTHING that Trump or the Republicans want. ANYTHING. So get ready because this country is going down.
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Democrats DO want border protection but a lame, stupid, mid-evil wall is not the answer. Besides MEXICO IS supposed to pay for it, LOL. In a few days Pelosi will be tearing lying moron FAT BUTT a new one.
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Democrats DO want border protection but a lame, stupid, mid-evil wall is not the answer. Besides MEXICO IS supposed to pay for it, LOL. In a few days Pelosi will be tearing lying moron FAT BUTT a new one.
pelosi is an anti American idiot. By the time people quit being stupid and fighting and hating Trump and Republicans just because it is Trump or a Republican you are going to find yourself living in a slum 3rd world country where you have nothing. Have fun starving to death.
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So, I wonder who this little president will blame this shut down on this time? He can't blame it on Obama anymore. Right!? I agree with the suggestion that we, cut down the pay for all government personal starting with this cry baby man child president! Also, we should charge, the correct tax percentage fees for the altura rich 1 percent American citizens first!
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Trump and the Republicans need to own the shutdown and its consequences. It was a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and a Republican in the White House who said he would own it. Imagine, another piece of garbage out of his mouth. I'm still waiting for the check from Mexico to pay for it. But no, the taxpayer would be paying for it, even after the national debt has risen to an all time high and healthcare, educations, and infrastructure need attention so badly. Let's definitely put a wall up that can be tunneled under, flown over, use of a boat to get from the Mexican coast to US Gulf Coast, or bribes can be given to get people across...just to name a few. Trump continuously lies like a rug and nobody in his base seems to care that that is Trump's "business" plan. Well. the world is watching and listening, including our allies!
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::) Hope my food stamps are here this month?
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So, I wonder who this little president will blame this shut down on this time? He can't blame it on Obama anymore. Right!? I agree with the suggestion that we, cut down the pay for all government personal starting with this cry baby man child president! Also, we should charge, the correct tax percentage fees for the altura rich 1 percent American citizens first!
lol. People like you are part of the problem. If you think obame was a good president then you have some serious issues. You are so bent on blaming the party opposite of what you belong to you cannot see past your hate. If people posted slurs against omabe like you are about Trump you would be screaming racist so fast it would make your head spin.
Get a clue. He could care less if you cut his salary. HE does not accept his salary. He has donated every penny of his salary from being the president since his first pay check. obame never done that. This lies at the door of the democrats. No one else. They are the ones who will not give an inch. They are the ones who have repeatedly said they will oppose ANYTHING that Trump tries to do.
It amazes me how people like you think you are entitled to what the rich have. If I work hard and I have a bigger paycheck that you then good for me. You don't deserve any of it. There should be a flat tax. x percentage. The rich will pay more taxes because their paychecks are bigger. But saying they should have to pay a higher percentage so you can have more entitlement benefits is insane. SMH
I will agree that both parties have issues and they are all out for themselves but the dumocrats are just pure evil!
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My personal feelings are that it is a disgrace that the politicians of our country forget who it is that they REALLY work for.
They do not work for the Democratic or the Republican parties .... They work for the PEOPLE of the United States of America and I think they need to be reminded of that.
They all need to stop being over grown children and learn how to work together to better our country for the good of the American people.
I am not trying to be political in any way. I'm just frustrated that the politicians can do what we elect them to do.
I agree with this. But it is like I have said over and over it is a party thing. And it goes way beyond just the government. It goes all the way down to the common folk like me and you. People hate you if you do not agree or line up with their political thoughts. It can keep you from getting a job or anything else.
We need some kind of a border wall. We cannot let all these illegals continue to flood our country and then suck us dry drawing welfare. And yes they do get welfare. I know this for a fact. Anyone who says we need no wall needs to have the front door taken off their house. And the windows taken out as well. You don't need doors or windows that lock. And you need to let anyone that wants just walk in and set up camp in your home.
It is funny because obame has a ten foot wall around his private residence to keep people out.
Mark my words - because it is going to happen - the fighting and refusing to compromise or work together is going to take this country down.
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::) Hope my food stamps are here this month?
The food stamps and wic will not be effected.
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My personal feelings are that it is a disgrace that the politicians of our country forget who it is that they REALLY work for.
They do not work for the Democratic or the Republican parties .... They work for the PEOPLE of the United States of America and I think they need to be reminded of that.
They all need to stop being over grown children and learn how to work together to better our country for the good of the American people.
I am not trying to be political in any way. I'm just frustrated that the politicians can't seem to do what we elect them to do.
(Redo Of An Earlier Post .. I Accidentally Deleted it When Trying To Correct An Error )
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Well, I am a federal worker contractor, and during the shutdown I am home, without pay, and because is a contract WE WILL NOT GET PAYBACK, so to all of you that say you do not care, please think of the families that have only 1 salary, do not get pay check now, we are on the 3rd week of the shutdownn for Christ sake. I have to pay mortgage, utilities and eat and my paycheck is gone.
People needs to be a little bit compassionate of others and not selfish. And I am not only talking about the government, all of them the Peesident, the congress the senate they are all sacrificing families for stupidities. I am also talking about people who says WHO CARES, hopefully since some of you have jobs you can help me pay my bills.
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Government shut downs hurts our 401k with effect on the market. All my work hard money just gone.
The DOW is up almost 1,000 points from the start of the shutdown. Your 401K has likely gained value since the start of the shutdown.
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Kind of humorous, and totally expected, that one of the replies to this post blamed a party that took control of the house more than ten days after the shut down was initiated. No poll has produced results that giving any semblance of majority support for the building of a wall (Mexico was going to pay for it? lol) which appears to be the major sticking point in negotiations. The average of several polls (including extreme news agencies like CNN and Fox) show that fifty four to fifty seven percent of Americans oppose the wall. Sixty six percent feel that the wall should not be a priority. Sixty percent disapprove of how congress has handled the shutdown. Thirty eight percent approve of the President's handling of the shutdown while forty nine percent disapprove. This has been good for the President as only sixty one percent of America disapprove of him as of day 716 in office. Although he has the lowest approval rating, compared to the last ten presidents, he is only two percent lower than Bill Clinton was (during the Lewinsky affair) and Ronald Reagan (during the Iran Contra debacle). I find the shut down to be somewhat comical and believe it highlights how unnecessary so many governmental functions are. Kind of ironic that, in the face of the shut down, current administration leaders are in up for pay increases.
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I don't think it is right that the white house still receive salary when other employees don't
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Reality is even his own party s not voting to pass this or it would have been done. Republicans have control over every both houses and the presidency at this time.T
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Not any more...
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Reality is even his own party s not voting to pass this or it would have been done. Republicans have control over every both houses and the presidency at this time.T
Reality is, the Republicans don't control the Senate -- they only have a simple majority. In the Senate, a party needs 60 votes to "control" the Senate. 60 votes are needed to bring a bill out of Cloture (the discussion phase) to bring it to the floor for the actual vote... only during the actual vote do you need a simple majority, but first you need the 60 votes.
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Its not the first time. They need to get it together and protect Americans. We need to take care of our country first. We have kids living on the street and not eating. People neede a reality check.
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What happened to China is paying for the wall? Who remember that chant? I never heard where our tax dollars would pay for it. I guess the ones not getting paid will receive back pay from China also. The only time people really want to work without getting paid is when they volunteer. If someone asked you to do surveys or work for free, how many would jump at that. If you work for a salary, you should receive your check. We happy to get a cent here on FC and will complain if we think it's late or gets revoked. Everyone needs money.
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Kind of humorous, and totally expected, that one of the replies to this post blamed a party that took control of the house more than ten days after the shut down was initiated. No poll has produced results that giving any semblance of majority support for the building of a wall (Mexico was going to pay for it? lol) which appears to be the major sticking point in negotiations. The average of several polls (including extreme news agencies like CNN and Fox) show that fifty four to fifty seven percent of Americans oppose the wall. Sixty six percent feel that the wall should not be a priority. Sixty percent disapprove of how congress has handled the shutdown. Thirty eight percent approve of the President's handling of the shutdown while forty nine percent disapprove. This has been good for the President as only sixty one percent of America disapprove of him as of day 716 in office. Although he has the lowest approval rating, compared to the last ten presidents, he is only two percent lower than Bill Clinton was (during the Lewinsky affair) and Ronald Reagan (during the Iran Contra debacle). I find the shut down to be somewhat comical and believe it highlights how unnecessary so many governmental functions are. Kind of ironic that, in the face of the shut down, current administration leaders are in up for pay increases.
Your percentages are BS. The only way these polls would be accurate is if you ask every single AMERICAN CITIZEN who is at least 18 years old and in their right mind. I was not asked my opinion. So there fore you cannot say x percentage of Americans approve or disapprove because you did not poll every American citizen.
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Reality is even his own party s not voting to pass this or it would have been done. Republicans have control over every both houses and the presidency at this time.T
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First off, there is only ONE HOUSE. And it passed the HOUSE. the hold up is in the SENATE. The democrats are who are voting against this. I cannot grasp why people want to deny this when it is public knowledge. The democrats have been VERY OPEN in saying they will vote AGAINST ANYTHING that President Trump wants to do.
It is like the idiot who screamed impeach the M...F....er (she is a dumocrat) and her own party has disowned her.
If they didn't impeach the last president they can't impeach Trump. This is the problem - everybody is so busy fighting with each other they are too distracted to see what is happening right in front of them. And when they wake up it is going to be too late.
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Its not the first time. They need to get it together and protect Americans. We need to take care of our country first. We have kids living on the street and not eating. People neede a reality check.
Exactly. And we can's save the world. We are already over crowded. Everybody cannot move to the United States.
Sad thing is they come here to escape their horrible country and then want to change us to be the country they fled from. smh
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What happened to China is paying for the wall? Who remember that chant? I never heard where our tax dollars would pay for it. I guess the ones not getting paid will receive back pay from China also. The only time people really want to work without getting paid is when they volunteer. If someone asked you to do surveys or work for free, how many would jump at that. If you work for a salary, you should receive your check. We happy to get a cent here on FC and will complain if we think it's late or gets revoked. Everyone needs money.
LOL We do surveys for free all the time. And they are not working for free. They will get paid.
As far as China paying for the wall - I have no idea what you are talking about. Must be a CNN fake news story.
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Always a fall back to fake news unless the statistics support their beliefs. D- for originality. When faced with reality becomes time to start throwing out Limbaughisms or the sheer objective Hannity point of view (LOL). The wall is poorly planned: six feet deep which leaves at least fifty four feet of space with which to dig under the wall. What happened to Mexico Paying for it? The request for five billion is not even twenty percent of what the true cost would be and Mexico has indicated that not a single peso will be spent by them. The government can not even afford to stay open...what will another thirty billion dollars, for a fence that easily to circumvent, do to our budget? And then we can begin work on a fence to keep Canadians out?
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What happened to China is paying for the wall? Who remember that chant? I never heard where our tax dollars would pay for it. I guess the ones not getting paid will receive back pay from China also. The only time people really want to work without getting paid is when they volunteer. If someone asked you to do surveys or work for free, how many would jump at that. If you work for a salary, you should receive your check. We happy to get a cent here on FC and will complain if we think it's late or gets revoked. Everyone needs money.
It was Mexico, not China.
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I can't believe they are doing this shutdown again it happens to many times
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I can't say that it is no big deal since it does effect government workers. But it's not uncommon and I don't remember people making a big deal about it before. At least not like this time. There seems to be an alternative motive to making this a big deal.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control and Prison Guards, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
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What a mess, we live in Maryland, so a lot of federal workers and contractors are being impacted. Hope it gets resolved soon.
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The fake news is Mexico is paying for the wall. And Mexico along with the Democrats said Nope, not going to happen.
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Always a fall back to fake news unless the statistics support their beliefs. D- for originality. When faced with reality becomes time to start throwing out Limbaughisms or the sheer objective Hannity point of view (LOL). The wall is poorly planned: six feet deep which leaves at least fifty four feet of space with which to dig under the wall. What happened to Mexico Paying for it? The request for five billion is not even twenty percent of what the true cost would be and Mexico has indicated that not a single peso will be spent by them. The government can not even afford to stay open...what will another thirty billion dollars, for a fence that easily to circumvent, do to our budget? And then we can begin work on a fence to keep Canadians out?
It doesn't have anything to do with "fake news". You cannot be that stupid. The ONLY way the stats could be accurate is if every person in America were asked the question and every person gave an answer. They poll certain people and they poll who they want to get the answer they want. Kind of like how when you answer a certain way you get kicked out of surveys on here.
The government is not shut down because it cannot afford to stay open. It is shut down because the democrats refuse to fund the wall to protect our southern border. You can deny that all you want but that is the only reason it is shut down.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
No it isn't. In order to say most Americans do not support the wall you would have to ask every American. That has not happened.
And you have no idea tax returns will be with held. They screamed that last year too and I got mine back with in a couple of weeks.
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:P Trump will get money for his wall and this will be said and done with.
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It needs to stop, people are fed up with this whole crap, he is strong arming people.
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some already are having a time paying bills like mortgage or heating bills. don't care if parks are closed the people going to them are slobs leaving trash everywhere.
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Trump should have never said that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. This is all his fault and he is acting like a child that cannot get a toy because there is no money for it. Just worried that the poor military will not get paid if this continues.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
No it isn't. In order to say most Americans do not support the wall you would have to ask every American. That has not happened.
And you have no idea tax returns will be with held. They screamed that last year too and I got mine back with in a couple of weeks.
You don't understand the parameters of taking polls. Polls are taken all the time and certain demographics are asked up front so that a cross section of people can be exemplified. So, quit talking about having to ask every single American. That has nothing to do with the scientific method of taking polls. And yes, polls can be done so that they lean either way, but the majority of polling supports that a majority of Americans are not in favor of a ridiculous wall!
As far as tax returns are concerned, as of the present, and that's all we can talk about, Trump is talking about prolonging the shutdown. If that is the case, it won't be much longer and people's tax refunds will be delayed. So talk about what you know because you don't know everything...obviously!
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It needs to stop, people are fed up with this whole crap, he is strong arming people.
LOL No he isn't. Obama shut the government down when until he got his obamacare passed. And that has been the biggest disaster ever. It is hilarious that democrats scream and stomp and condemn Trump for this but thought what obama down was okay. SMH
It is funny you think the Republicans should just back down and let the dumos have their way but don't think the dumos should give an inch.
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Trump should have never said that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. This is all his fault and he is acting like a child that cannot get a toy because there is no money for it. Just worried that the poor military will not get paid if this continues.
This has nothing to do with him saying Mexico would pay for the wall. There IS money for the wall. The dumocrats just don't want to use it for that.
The military will continue to get paid. He already said that.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
No it isn't. In order to say most Americans do not support the wall you would have to ask every American. That has not happened.
And you have no idea tax returns will be with held. They screamed that last year too and I got mine back with in a couple of weeks.
You don't understand the parameters of taking polls. Polls are taken all the time and certain demographics are asked up front so that a cross section of people can be exemplified. So, quit talking about having to ask every single American. That has nothing to do with the scientific method of taking polls. And yes, polls can be done so that they lean either way, but the majority of polling supports that a majority of Americans are not in favor of a ridiculous wall!
As far as tax returns are concerned, as of the present, and that's all we can talk about, Trump is talking about prolonging the shutdown. If that is the case, it won't be much longer and people's tax refunds will be delayed. So talk about what you know because you don't know everything...obviously!
LOL Yes I understand and I will talk about whatever I want to.
You cannot take a biased poll and then say this is what the majority of Americans think. You cannot have 326 MILLION people and survey 1000 of them and cheat to get the results you want and then say that is how the majority of American feels. Even if the poll was straight up honest you cannot poll a certain percentage which is NO WHERE NEAR the entire population and then say the results are for ALL of American because you did not ask all of America. But you will never accept that because you are hearing from YOUR source what you want to hear.
I hear from other sources that over 60% of Americans are FOR the wall. So it is all in WHO you hear or listen to. And before you pop off with it NO I do not watch Fox News! But the fact is the news sources are all dishonest and you cannot believe any of them.
But you cannot blame Trump and the Republicans 100% and say the dumos are completely innocent. If you think they are looking out for you then you have some serious mental issues. They are out for themselves and no one else.
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I hope this thing is over and Trump is holding everyone taxes this year which is ridiculous :( :D
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I feel really sorry for all the people who are either out of work or having to work with no pay. I worked in local government for over 30 years and it is hard when you have to take furloughs.
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The irony is that most illegal immigrants get here through the airports, not the southern border. Now a lot of airport security workers are not showing up for work BC they can't afford to work and not get paid.
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I heard tax refunds won't be processed and some EBT cards are not working
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
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I heard tax refunds won't be processed and some EBT cards are not working
You heard wrong. I listened to the news this morning and they said as of now tax refunds will go out on time.
And they have said more than once food stamps will not be effected.
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support!
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And they are still working to solve some of our problems.
I hope they find some solutions soon.
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support!
Point made!
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The irony is that most illegal immigrants get here through the airports, not the southern border. Now a lot of airport security workers are not showing up for work BC they can't afford to work and not get paid.
60% of illegal entries come from border crossing.
90% of all heroin entering the USA comes from border crossings.
Thousands of kids are s*x trafficked crossing the border.
Securing the border isn't just about the surge of illegal aliens.
& btw, the first missed paycheck for government workers will be this Friday, January 11. No one has missed a paycheck yet.... so much misinformation out there, it is really quite sad.
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The irony is that most illegal immigrants get here through the airports, not the southern border. Now a lot of airport security workers are not showing up for work BC they can't afford to work and not get paid.
60% of illegal entries come from border crossing.
90% of all heroin entering the USA comes from border crossings.
Thousands of kids are s*x trafficked crossing the border.
Securing the border isn't just about the surge of illegal aliens.
& btw, the first missed paycheck for government workers will be this Friday, January 11. No one has missed a paycheck yet.... so much misinformation out there, it is really quite sad.
I work with a guy that had a sister brutally murdered by her father-in-law around 10 yrs ago.I am not sure how the divorce happened with his son,but she had a house next door to her FIL.One day she had the surveyors over.The FIL flipped out and shot her as well as stabbed her to death.I guess she didnt get the wall up in time.
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Well, I am a federal worker contractor, and during the shutdown I am home, without pay, and because is a contract WE WILL NOT GET PAYBACK, so to all of you that say you do not care, please think of the families that have only 1 salary, do not get pay check now, we are on the 3rd week of the shutdownn for Christ sake. I have to pay mortgage, utilities and eat and my paycheck is gone.
People needs to be a little bit compassionate of others and not selfish. And I am not only talking about the government, all of them the Peesident, the congress the senate they are all sacrificing families for stupidities. I am also talking about people who says WHO CARES, hopefully since some of you have jobs you can help me pay my bills.
I do care that you are penalized because the higher ups in the government can't seem to get their Sh*t together and work this out.
They never seem to think of the little guy who is the one who always seems to suffer from their actions.
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support! I am so SICK of your bullying disrespect to other posters. QUIT calling members dumocrats!!! Rude disrespect to other posters is NOT allowed here.
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support! I am so SICK of your bullying disrespect to other posters. QUIT calling members dumocrats!!! Rude disrespect to other posters is NOT allowed here.
Bertha its quite obviousl Controversial-girl is a ReFLOPlican....not a democrat.But KUDOS to you for recognizing her charming personality!
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Let them shutdown! As long as it doesn't effect my job personally, go ahead and just shutdown. There are a lot of valid points listed here...
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support!
Point made!
LOL. You didn't make any point. The only point YOU have made is that you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You call me out for supposedly calling others names and in that exact same post you call Trump names and make fun of him thus doing the exact same thing you are yapping at me for doing.
Then you want to be smart putting down anyone who voted or who you THINK voted for Trump or a Republican and say well after reading these comments I can see how people are so stupid to vote Republican.
Well I can say the exact same thing about you or any one who would vote for Killary or any dumocrat. You have not made any points. The only point YOU have made is you want to put down anyone who does not agree with you.
There is no way any sane person could see what the democrats are doing right now and still support the party.
Of course you are going to ramble back and say the exact same thing back to me. SO you may as well let it go.
We do not agree and we never will.
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The irony is that most illegal immigrants get here through the airports, not the southern border. Now a lot of airport security workers are not showing up for work BC they can't afford to work and not get paid.
60% of illegal entries come from border crossing.
90% of all heroin entering the USA comes from border crossings.
Thousands of kids are s*x trafficked crossing the border.
Securing the border isn't just about the surge of illegal aliens.
& btw, the first missed paycheck for government workers will be this Friday, January 11. No one has missed a paycheck yet.... so much misinformation out there, it is really quite sad.
LOL WELL.....
When they get their info from CNN or other biased liberal sources what would you expect?
Anyone who thinks the majority of illegals come in on plane are so foolish it is pointless to talk to them. They walk across the borders in droves. Did these people not see the videos of thousands of them trying to RUSH the border agents? That is NOT peacefully trying to seek asylum. And nothing says we have to let every person who claims to be seeking asylum in to this country. If you have no way to support yourself and want to come here and expect us to pay for your food, clothes, housing, medical, and everything else you need --- we have enough leaches here already.
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Well, I am a federal worker contractor, and during the shutdown I am home, without pay, and because is a contract WE WILL NOT GET PAYBACK, so to all of you that say you do not care, please think of the families that have only 1 salary, do not get pay check now, we are on the 3rd week of the shutdownn for Christ sake. I have to pay mortgage, utilities and eat and my paycheck is gone.
People needs to be a little bit compassionate of others and not selfish. And I am not only talking about the government, all of them the Peesident, the congress the senate they are all sacrificing families for stupidities. I am also talking about people who says WHO CARES, hopefully since some of you have jobs you can help me pay my bills.
I do care that you are penalized because the higher ups in the government can't seem to get their Sh*t together and work this out.
They never seem to think of the little guy who is the one who always seems to suffer from their actions.
Trump's tax cuts helped me. My next paycheck went up by a good amount. SO I am all for the tax cuts.
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After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts!
LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support! I am so SICK of your bullying disrespect to other posters. QUIT calling members dumocrats!!! Rude disrespect to other posters is NOT allowed here.
First off, you need to not add your comment to MY comment and make it look like "I" said it. I will use the phrase dumocrats if i want to. It is funny you think it is okay for people to call me names and attack me but get mad if I say anything back. If anyone insults me I WILL defend myself. Maybe this entire thread needs to be locked or deleted. People seem to have strong feelings.
If you do not like my comments then "ignore" me. Simple fix. And FYI I am not bullying anyone.
I have seen people insult Republicans and Trump and people who voted for both over and over ON THIS SITE! You don't seem to have any issues with that.
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Let them shutdown! As long as it doesn't effect my job personally, go ahead and just shutdown. There are a lot of valid points listed here...
This happens every year or two. Not a big deal. And all the stuff people get so bent out of shape about never happens. The food stamp card will not stop working, the welfare checks will continue to come, and the tax refunds will go out on time.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
Nobody is talking about open borders besides Trump. Send money on patrols and moving the court hearings along quickly but this "wall" is a waste. Most illegals are visa overstays. The illegal who shot the cop in CA recently was from Fiji not Mexico so the wall would have been no use. If everyone who believes in the Wall donates to that Gofundme they can have their wall and not take away from other more important uses for 5 billion
Boy, did you get your facts wrong! The officer was a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Figi. The man who shot the officer was an ILLEGAL from MEXICO. The CBP agents have been attacked by illegals in the caravan and let's not forget those CBP agents that were killed by illegals. Two were killed recently and let's not forget Brian Terry killed by a gun that came from the Fast & Furious debacle. Pelosi wants facts yet she doesn't believe the
the statistics and numbers from various government departments like the CBP and other enforcement agencies. She calls CBP agents liars! That's sad.
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"After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts! "
"LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support! I am so SICK of your bullying disrespect to other posters. QUIT calling members dumocrats!!! Rude disrespect to other posters is NOT allowed here."
Too funny! She didn't understand that "close minded, opinionated and unwilling to accept facts" was seemingly directed at her. This is to be expected from someone that has a deeper appreciation for self over others. I have found that it does not pay to engage a person with these qualities. Just nod your head, smile and enjoy their show as you would with a third grade student that doesn't know any better and resorts to name calling. The poster does not know any better. You have to give credit to someone that has so much passion regardless of how misguided it may be. Try to understand that the poster, most likely, did not have the benefits that so many of us had which allowed us to be independent thinkers and helped us to avoid inappropriate bursts of anger.
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So, I wonder who this little president will blame this shut down on this time? He can't blame it on Obama anymore. Right!? I agree with the suggestion that we, cut down the pay for all government personal starting with this cry baby man child president! Also, we should charge, the correct tax percentage fees for the altura rich 1 percent American citizens first!
The president is only taking a $1 from his salary because he is forced by law to take it. The rest of it is donated to different charities and/or government programs. As for taxing the rich, they are taxed but they have an advantage others don't have and that's the deductions they can take, especially if they own a company. If you look at tax records of former presidents, even they take all the tax deductions they can...and that's pages and pages of them. Even Obama, who made millions off his books and capital gains still only paid a couple thousand dollars in taxes. Romney, Biden, etc. all of them take advantage of deductions.
It's a shame that the Dems, including the leaders, will not compromise because the hate for Trump is overwhelming to the point of hurting the citizens of this country. That's what's really sad. They care for illegals more than the citizens. The proof of that is sanctuary cities and states.
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All who agree with 45, give your money to build a wall. The Democrates is not asking the people to give away billions of dollars. No one said a thing when Republicans block everything President Obama tried to do and he was not asking for tax payer to pay billions of dollar, so all who agree with 45 then give up your money. A president who don't even pay his owe taxes. SHM
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"After reading several of the responses on this thread, I understand how Trump was elected in the first place and continues to have the support he has. You cannot fix opinionated, close-minded, and unwilling to accept facts! "
"LOL Nope you sure can't. Guess that is why the dumocrats keep having support! I am so SICK of your bullying disrespect to other posters. QUIT calling members dumocrats!!! Rude disrespect to other posters is NOT allowed here."
Too funny! She didn't understand that "close minded, opinionated and unwilling to accept facts" was seemingly directed at her. This is to be expected from someone that has a deeper appreciation for self over others. I have found that it does not pay to engage a person with these qualities. Just nod your head, smile and enjoy their show as you would with a third grade student that doesn't know any better and resorts to name calling. The poster does not know any better. You have to give credit to someone that has so much passion regardless of how misguided it may be. Try to understand that the poster, most likely, did not have the benefits that so many of us had which allowed us to be independent thinkers and helped us to avoid inappropriate bursts of anger.
:D You are correct. I recently was arguing some idiot at work who was wrong and as I was speaking with another agency the lady there told me just smile and say 'uh-huh" and go on. They are wrong so just shake your head and go on. lol
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All who agree with 45, give your money to build a wall. The Democrates is not asking the people to give away billions of dollars. No one said a thing when Republicans block everything President Obama tried to do and he was not asking for tax payer to pay billions of dollar, so all who agree with 45 then give up your money. A president who don't even pay his owe taxes. SHM
Republicans did not block everything obama tried to do. And calling Trump 45 is disrespectful. Oh yeah that is insulting Republicans so that is okay. lol
And he does pay his taxes. You need to quit screaming release tax records. obama wouldn't show his birth certificate and I am willing to bet you thought that was okay. He also asked for billions of dollars to shove obamacare down our throats. Millions of people lost insurance so the deadbeat welfare bums could have it. Heck, a lot of them even lost what they had.
And yes, something was said when Republicans tried to block stuff he done. Do you seriously not remember when obame shut down the government to get his obamacare funded?
I say all who agree to open borders give your money to fund the illegals who need medical care, food, housing, and everything else. They do not come across the border and pay their own way.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
No it isn't. In order to say most Americans do not support the wall you would have to ask every American. That has not happened.
And you have no idea tax returns will be with held. They screamed that last year too and I got mine back with in a couple of weeks.
You don't understand the parameters of taking polls. Polls are taken all the time and certain demographics are asked up front so that a cross section of people can be exemplified. So, quit talking about having to ask every single American. That has nothing to do with the scientific method of taking polls. And yes, polls can be done so that they lean either way, but the majority of polling supports that a majority of Americans are not in favor of a ridiculous wall!
As far as tax returns are concerned, as of the present, and that's all we can talk about, Trump is talking about prolonging the shutdown. If that is the case, it won't be much longer and people's tax refunds will be delayed. So talk about what you know because you don't know everything...obviously!
Polls... here's a little secret. Paints is partially right about polls...do the posters backing their info rely on polls? Certainly, yet most poll takers only allow up to 1000 people to answer. That's not a very large percentage of the population. So leaning on polls that only a miniscule amount of people vote is not representative of the country.
The person who stated Trump wants $30 Billion is wrong. He want $5 billion which is a drop in the bucket. Plus the Dems are LYING when they say it's for 2000 miles. No, it's not. It's only for the most vulnerable areas where it's known the illegals are coming through. The rest of the money is for hiring more agents, tech equipments, etc. You can't control the borders with drones. They can't arrest anyone. They can only videotape those getting through and then manpower has to find them. Depending on where the CBP is situated through their patrols, it could take up to 20 minutes to get to the area.There's a program I watch on cable called Border Wars. Now there is reality in the world of illegals and drugs.
I think the CBP and ICE know exactly what's needed to protect the citizens of this country and they suggested a combination of the above plus the wall. I wish people would do the research instead of relying on the talking points of each party and the media, who are obviously partisan.
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All who agree with 45, give your money to build a wall. The Democrates is not asking the people to give away billions of dollars. No one said a thing when Republicans block everything President Obama tried to do and he was not asking for tax payer to pay billions of dollar, so all who agree with 45 then give up your money. A president who don't even pay his owe taxes. SHM
Can you imagine if people could pick & choose what their taxes went for, you kind of do when you vote; but how many would stop wanting their tax dollars to pay for welfare, or abortions, or food stamps.... or not to pay congressional salaries, which they continue to get for life even when they are no longer re-elected, or step down.
The Democrats have allocated $12 Billion for foreign aid to other countries in this tax package -- how many taxpayers want their money to go to other countries, while our own infrastructure is failing, there are over 58,000 homeless here in LA nightly on the streets -- not enough beds for them, classroom sizes here in Southern California are 40 children per teacher they are so impacted, not one airport in the USA makes it on the top 30 airports in the world list -- the US still uses radar, while the 1st world uses GPS.. the list goes on & on.
We, the USA, just recently have allocated $300 million to build a wall on Jordan's border.... did you want your tax dollars to go there? We gave Israel $30 billion to build their wall.... we pay over $5 billion a month to fund Afghanistan. And while we continue to be the caretaker of the 3rd World, we are over 20 Trillion in debt.... and China just landed on the moon last week.
& you are wrong, President Obama created more national debt than all the other Presidents combined, he doubled the national debt from like 10 Trillion to 20 Trillion. He did indeed 'ask the tax payers to pay billions of dollars' ... Trillions, in fact.
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All who agree with 45, give your money to build a wall. The Democrates is not asking the people to give away billions of dollars. No one said a thing when Republicans block everything President Obama tried to do and he was not asking for tax payer to pay billions of dollar, so all who agree with 45 then give up your money. A president who don't even pay his owe taxes. SHM
Gee, Dems aren't asking to give away billions of your money? Have you seen the bills they just passed? It includes $12 billion more for foreign aid in “international affairs programs,” including $2.9 billion more “for economic and development assistance, including funding for the West Bank/Gaza, Syria, and Pakistan, where our foreign aid is either frozen or under review," $700 million more than requested for the United Nations, including restored funding for the United Nation’s Population Fund (aka abortions, even though federal law bars the use of taxpayer dollars for foreign organizations that “promote or perform abortions"). approximately $2 billion more than requested for the EPA, and $7.1 billion more than the administration requested for HUD.
Oh, and let's not forget that they voted a raise for themselves.
I find funding terrorism unacceptable and I also find breaking the laws by funding groups whose assets are frozen and abortions unacceptable, don't you?
If anyone wants the truth on immigration and illegals, just go to the USCIS reports, or other government agencies that collect data.
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First of all, the stats reported in the above post appear to be right on. It is open knowledge that a majority of Americans don't support the wall as a priority.
Second of all, the S & P reports that the shutdown could cost the economy as much as 1.2 billion per week. Yes, let's add that to the already staggering national debt and a wall on top of that.
Thirdly, TSA and Border Patrol are not getting paid as well as Air Traffic Control, but by all means, let's pay that wimp Pence and some of those other blowhards in Congress.
Fourth, tax returns will be withheld so if you are in need and counting on that, forget it!
Fifth, national parks and museums are not open so the tourist industry is taking a hit!
Sixth, it is up in the air whether Native Americans will receive pay, food, or medicine!
So, by all means, over a dang wall that those who really want in will be able to figure out how to get around, build that billions of dollars wall rather than pass common sense immigration policy that has definitive criteria we can stand by and make known. Trump was offered some money in return for a Daca policy but it wasn't enough for His Highness.
No it isn't. In order to say most Americans do not support the wall you would have to ask every American. That has not happened.
And you have no idea tax returns will be with held. They screamed that last year too and I got mine back with in a couple of weeks.
You don't understand the parameters of taking polls. Polls are taken all the time and certain demographics are asked up front so that a cross section of people can be exemplified. So, quit talking about having to ask every single American. That has nothing to do with the scientific method of taking polls. And yes, polls can be done so that they lean either way, but the majority of polling supports that a majority of Americans are not in favor of a ridiculous wall!
As far as tax returns are concerned, as of the present, and that's all we can talk about, Trump is talking about prolonging the shutdown. If that is the case, it won't be much longer and people's tax refunds will be delayed. So talk about what you know because you don't know everything...obviously!
Polls... here's a little secret. Paints is partially right about polls...do the posters backing their info rely on polls? Certainly, yet most poll takers only allow up to 1000 people to answer. That's not a very large percentage of the population. So leaning on polls that only a miniscule amount of people vote is not representative of the country.
The person who stated Trump wants $30 Billion is wrong. He want $5 billion which is a drop in the bucket. Plus the Dems are LYING when they say it's for 2000 miles. No, it's not. It's only for the most vulnerable areas where it's known the illegals are coming through. The rest of the money is for hiring more agents, tech equipments, etc. You can't control the borders with drones. They can't arrest anyone. They can only videotape those getting through and then manpower has to find them. Depending on where the CBP is situated through their patrols, it could take up to 20 minutes to get to the area.There's a program I watch on cable called Border Wars. Now there is reality in the world of illegals and drugs.
I think the CBP and ICE know exactly what's needed to protect the citizens of this country and they suggested a combination of the above plus the wall. I wish people would do the research instead of relying on the talking points of each party and the media, who are obviously partisan.
There you go trying to confuse the brainless with the facts LOL
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So, I wonder who this little president will blame this shut down on this time? He can't blame it on Obama anymore. Right!? I agree with the suggestion that we, cut down the pay for all government personal starting with this cry baby man child president! Also, we should charge, the correct tax percentage fees for the altura rich 1 percent American citizens first!
The president is only taking a $1 from his salary because he is forced by law to take it. The rest of it is donated to different charities and/or government programs. As for taxing the rich, they are taxed but they have an advantage others don't have and that's the deductions they can take, especially if they own a company. If you look at tax records of former presidents, even they take all the tax deductions they can...and that's pages and pages of them. Even Obama, who made millions off his books and capital gains still only paid a couple thousand dollars in taxes. Romney, Biden, etc. all of them take advantage of deductions.
It's a shame that the Dems, including the leaders, will not compromise because the hate for Trump is overwhelming to the point of hurting the citizens of this country. That's what's really sad. They care for illegals more than the citizens. The proof of that is sanctuary cities and states.
Exactly. And that hate is going to shut this country down. And it isn't just in the government. You see it in THIS thread as well as any other place where people can post. The dumos are so full of hate they would deprive themselves of oxygen if Trump came out in favor of it. lol.
The people who are crying about the "rich" taking deductions take EVERY deduction they can. The rich nor anyone else owes no one any of the money they have worked for. I do not owe anybody anything!
And another fact for these idiots - Everyone of the things Trump is enforcing now obame done the exact same thing. The kids in "cages" those were pictures from when obame was president. Not recent or under Trump. obame and Clinton both had travel bans while in office at some point. Nobody said a thing. It is like you said, they have so much hate for Trump (and he has given no reason for it other than being Republican) that they will be against anything he wanted to do.
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All who agree with 45, give your money to build a wall. The Democrates is not asking the people to give away billions of dollars. No one said a thing when Republicans block everything President Obama tried to do and he was not asking for tax payer to pay billions of dollar, so all who agree with 45 then give up your money. A president who don't even pay his owe taxes. SHM
Can you imagine if people could pick & choose what their taxes went for, you kind of do when you vote; but how many would stop wanting their tax dollars to pay for welfare, or abortions, or food stamps.... or not to pay congressional salaries, which they continue to get for life even when they are no longer re-elected, or step down.
The Democrats have allocated $12 Billion for foreign aid to other countries in this tax package -- how many taxpayers want their money to go to other countries, while our own infrastructure is failing, there are over 58,000 homeless here in LA nightly on the streets -- not enough beds for them, classroom sizes here in Southern California are 40 children per teacher they are so impacted, not one airport in the USA makes it on the top 30 airports in the world list -- the US still uses radar, while the 1st world uses GPS.. the list goes on & on.
We, the USA, just recently have allocated $300 million to build a wall on Jordan's border.... did you want your tax dollars to go there? We gave Israel $30 billion to build their wall.... we pay over $5 billion a month to fund Afghanistan. And while we continue to be the caretaker of the 3rd World, we are over 20 Trillion in debt.... and China just landed on the moon last week.
& you are wrong, President Obama created more national debt than all the other Presidents combined, he doubled the national debt from like 10 Trillion to 20 Trillion. He did indeed 'ask the tax payers to pay billions of dollars' ... Trillions, in fact.
We landed on the moon first - a long time ago :D
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This is all Trump's fault. We should be building bridges, not walls, and we are a nation of immigrants. What's wrong with immigrants from Mexico? From my experiences, Hispanic/Latino people are nicer than white people. LOL. Trump's just doing this to appease Ann Coulter/Rush Limbaugh, cuz without their support, he'll have no one on his side.
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We are nearing the three week mark for this shutdown...all because this idiot Trump does not want to abandon (or at least compromise) on this stupid border wall of his. In any event, at least I am still getting paid. But I sympathize with those that are suffering financially because of this political chaos.
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We are nearing the three week mark for this shutdown...all because this idiot Trump does not want to abandon (or at least compromise) on this stupid border wall of his. In any event, at least I am still getting paid. But I sympathize with those that are suffering financially because of this political chaos.
OR we could say it is because the idiot dumorats refuse to compromise and have repeatedly said they will block EVERYTHING President Trump tries to do.
clinton had the government shut down for longer than it has been as of now in 1995 because he did not want to fund Medicare. You know insurance for OLD people. Had no problem funding for the lazy. The government was shut down more than once under him. People need to learn some facts and realize CNN doesn't give you facts.
obame shut down the government when he was in office to force obamacare down our throats. Of course if you get the freebie insurance then you are all for that.
Stupidity truly amazes me. I cannot grasp how the dumorats want Trump to just bow down and give them their way and are stupid enough to say he is being a baby and stomping his feet and pitching a fit and wants his way.
Hello stupid! You are doing the same thing. They refuse to budge an inch and want their way and are stubbed up holding their breath til they turn blue.
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We are nearing the three week mark for this shutdown...all because this idiot Trump does not want to abandon (or at least compromise) on this stupid border wall of his. In any event, at least I am still getting paid. But I sympathize with those that are suffering financially because of this political chaos.
OR we could say it is because the idiot dumorats refuse to compromise and have repeatedly said they will block EVERYTHING President Trump tries to do.
clinton had the government shut down for longer than it has been as of now in 1995 because he did not want to fund Medicare. You know insurance for OLD people. Had no problem funding for the lazy. The government was shut down more than once under him. People need to learn some facts and realize CNN doesn't give you facts.
obame shut down the government when he was in office to force obamacare down our throats. Of course if you get the freebie insurance then you are all for that.
Stupidity truly amazes me. I cannot grasp how the dumorats want Trump to just bow down and give them their way and are stupid enough to say he is being a baby and stomping his feet and pitching a fit and wants his way.
Hello stupid! You are doing the same thing. They refuse to budge an inch and want their way and are stubbed up holding their breath til they turn blue.
You are simply a "right-fighter." You think if you have the last say and a preponderance of words it makes you in the right. Well, wrong! Bullying and wearing people down do not make you knowledgeable or correct. In fact, it often does the opposite. Just like the more Trump opens his mouth. There's simply no more to say to a "right-fighter. It's a waste of time and energy.
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Trump and the democrats wont back down from each other just like members on FC wont.
Money most of the time isnt spent wisely in this world.Did we really need to spend zillions to go to the moon when peace doesnt exist in this manmade satanic world?Or waste zillions of dollars on nuclear weapons when many are sick or starving?
Wise course here is to remain neutral.Man will never figure it out.
There exists a way that is right before man but death ends up being the result.
Contro-versial girl has this peeve if the poor get food stamps or free heathcare they are bums.Now i am not saying there arent scam artists out there,but there are many poor that need help not from there own doing.She might realize it someday when those that think they are standing might just fall.Plus she endorses the reflublicans too.But i dont wanna come across as being partial.I dont endorse politics period cos i believe man will never get it right on his own.
1 more thing...to those of u that think a loving a loving God exists do you think he supports and this was his intention to have such an undivided & prejudice world?It really makes the saying "god bless america"look more ridiculous.
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We are nearing the three week mark for this shutdown...all because this idiot Trump does not want to abandon (or at least compromise) on this stupid border wall of his. In any event, at least I am still getting paid. But I sympathize with those that are suffering financially because of this political chaos.
OR we could say it is because the idiot dumorats refuse to compromise and have repeatedly said they will block EVERYTHING President Trump tries to do.
clinton had the government shut down for longer than it has been as of now in 1995 because he did not want to fund Medicare. You know insurance for OLD people. Had no problem funding for the lazy. The government was shut down more than once under him. People need to learn some facts and realize CNN doesn't give you facts.
obame shut down the government when he was in office to force obamacare down our throats. Of course if you get the freebie insurance then you are all for that.
Stupidity truly amazes me. I cannot grasp how the dumorats want Trump to just bow down and give them their way and are stupid enough to say he is being a baby and stomping his feet and pitching a fit and wants his way.
Hello stupid! You are doing the same thing. They refuse to budge an inch and want their way and are stubbed up holding their breath til they turn blue.
You are simply a "right-fighter." You think if you have the last say and a preponderance of words it makes you in the right. Well, wrong! Bullying and wearing people down do not make you knowledgeable or correct. In fact, it often does the opposite. Just like the more Trump opens his mouth. There's simply no more to say to a "right-fighter. It's a waste of time and energy.
LOL and you simply are a left fighter.
Having an opinion different from you does not make me a bully. Stating my opinion on a topic does not make me a bully. Maybe you need to look the word up. It is misused a lot these days. I could say the same thing about you. You had to get the last word in here. HA-HA.
I could turn everything you just said to me around and say it right back to you. Trying to talk to someone who has a left opinion is a waste of time. You are too closed minded to see anything other than what your precious CNN tells you.
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
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Right is right...left is wrong...................... :thumbsup:
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
LOL And you want to call ME a bully? Better be careful!
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Right is right...left is wrong...................... :thumbsup:
Exactly! Thus why Right is called RIGHT!
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Ill bet even the pills would back-off
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
LOL And you want to call ME a bully? Better be careful!
You are the LAST person who needs to tell ANYONE to be careful about their postings!
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A contro-versial girl on Fusion Cash
Didnt realize she was a pain in the ash
Be careful if at you she got sore
In her hip pocket she had her trusty "IGNORE"
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
LOL And you want to call ME a bully? Better be careful!
You are the LAST person who needs to tell ANYONE to be careful about their postings!
Haha. Do you feel better now? lol Like I said - better be careful. It is HILARIOUS that you are SO upset by my opinion. LOLOLOLOLOL
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It is indeed an inconvenience for those workers to not get their pay checks on time when Congress and The Senate all continue to be paid during the shutdown. But the process is affecting many more than just the workers who are on furlow.
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better.
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It is indeed an inconvenience for those workers to not get their pay checks on time when Congress and The Senate all continue to be paid during the shutdown. But the process is affecting many more than just the workers who are on furlow.
The government voted to pay Federal Workers whose checks would have stopped starting today, 1/11.
Those who are not working can declare for unemployment... just like in the private sector.
Much ado over nothing. Curious, my life hasn't been affected at all, has yours?
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better HaHaHA!! Thanks for the belly laugh!!! Countrygirl is one of the worst abusers of ad hominem attacks on other members in this forum that don't share her opinion! As far as the bi-polar comment and being off her meds goes, that is not an insult BC I myself am bi-polar and when off the meds can become very prolific BUT not mean spirited !!! P.S. MEAN spirited was an insult but that's ok, bc it's true........Fact check, Fact check, Fact check!!!
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Who enjoyed the imaginary conversations CHUMP had with former Presidents, who told him they wished they had built "THAT GREAT WALL". Sometimes when I'm sleepy and watching the News, I think that I'm watching an hilarious SNL skit-then I wake up and SCREAM, OH NO, it's true-Fattbutt, Man-Baby, CHUMP is our President and then I begin to cry!
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better HaHaHA!! Thanks for the belly laugh!!! Countrygirl is one of the worst abusers of ad hominem attacks on other members in this forum that don't share her opinion! As far as the bi-polar comment and being off her meds goes, that is not an insult BC I myself am bi-polar and when off the meds can become very prolific BUT not mean spirited !!! P.S. MEAN spirited was an insult but that's ok, bc it's true........Fact check, Fact check, Fact check!!!
Obviously you are off your meds at this point. I have never launched attacks on another member like you are on me. Keep it up. Just because you do not agree with me or obviously are democrat and yes I insulted the democrat party and you feel attacked does not mean it is a personal attack on you. Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better.
I know for a fact that Fusion Cash feels the same. I also know for a fact that at least one other member was deleted for launching personal attacks. She may not agree with my comments but that does not mean I have mental illness. I am not bi-polar and I am not on medication. But you are correct --- that is def considered a hate speech. And I have never launched personal attacks on other members. I may point out I do not agree and I do speak my opinion just like everyone else.
It amazes me how someone can make a comment like this " Who enjoyed the imaginary conversations CHUMP had with former Presidents, who told him they wished they had built "THAT GREAT WALL". Sometimes when I'm sleepy and watching the News, I think that I'm watching an hilarious SNL skit-then I wake up and SCREAM, OH NO, it's true-Fattbutt, Man-Baby, CHUMP is our President and then I begin to cry!"
And then try to call someone else out for being a bully. That is hilarious.
This entire thread proves what I have said several times....The hate in people's hearts is going to take this country down.
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Polls... here's a little secret. Paints is partially right about polls...do the posters backing their info rely on polls? Certainly, yet most poll takers only allow up to 1000 people to answer. That's not a very large percentage of the population. So leaning on polls that only a miniscule amount of people vote is not representative of the country.
Darn it! Just like on FC when I try to take a survey and get 99% through it only to be DQ'd because they've already met their quota!
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Wow. This thread has become quite the firestorm!
While I don't always agree with her delivery methods, I think Countrygirl hit the nail on the head a while ago discussing the difference between Dems and Repubs. As far as the mainstream media is concerned, if Donald Trump and Barack Obama were separately driving down the same street and both ran over two little old ladies crossing the intersection, the headlines would read that maniac Trump killed a poor innocent woman trying to cross the street and that heroic Obama rid the world of another one of those damn jaywalkers that cause traffic problems for the rest of us.
But I think I need a break from all the venom being spewed back and forth here. I'm going to go look for another survey to complete. I hope that there are some political ones surfacing so that I can represent the small percentage of people who recognize good and evil on both sides (and there is good and bad in both liberals and conservatives), but absolute bias in how it is reported to the general public.
I am also looking forward to how much things will cool down here in six years when someone else takes over from Trump as President! ;)
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Dear Mr. President: This is just terrible. Please quit holding federal workers and their loved ones as pawns in your political game. You are such a deal maker? Have some love and compassion for something outside of your own interest. Figure out how to compromise so the government can reopen and innocent people can get back to keeping our country great.
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First of all I don't consider CHUMP a Republican. As a Democrat, I respect the two party system and I respect the Republican point of view, just not extreme right winger bigoted nuts who only want to divide us. (CHUMP) I am 61 years old and have never personally witnessed such division between the parties. Right now Mitch Mcconnell needs to quit hiding in the powder room and pull up his Big Boy Pants and negotiate with Chuck and Nancy , since CHUMP is incapable of this. Maybe all of them should watch an old tape of Ron Reagan and Tip O'neill doing just that.
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Dear Mr. President: This is just terrible. Please quit holding federal workers and their loved ones as pawns in your political game. You are such a deal maker? Have some love and compassion for something outside of your own interest. Figure out how to compromise so the government can reopen and innocent people can get back to keeping our country great.
You cannot make a deal with people who refuse to compromise.
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Wow. This thread has become quite the firestorm!
While I don't always agree with her delivery methods, I think Countrygirl hit the nail on the head a while ago discussing the difference between Dems and Repubs. As far as the mainstream media is concerned, if Donald Trump and Barack Obama were separately driving down the same street and both ran over two little old ladies crossing the intersection, the headlines would read that maniac Trump killed a poor innocent woman trying to cross the street and that heroic Obama rid the world of another one of those damn jaywalkers that cause traffic problems for the rest of us.
But I think I need a break from all the venom being spewed back and forth here. I'm going to go look for another survey to complete. I hope that there are some political ones surfacing so that I can represent the small percentage of people who recognize good and evil on both sides (and there is good and bad in both liberals and conservatives), but absolute bias in how it is reported to the general public.
I am also looking forward to how much things will cool down here in six years when someone else takes over from Trump as President! ;)
:D Thanks. Like I have said before I do not coddle people. I say the exact same thing other people do and snowflakes can't handle that and get all offended. I just say it. Put yer big people pants on and deal with it. It is like your example with running over the little old ladies (which is exactly right on) I say the exact same thing as others and people get mad at me. lol
You are correct in that this thread has gotten out of hand and there is already another one started. smh
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Crazy to think that this has happened again...
Ktheodos, Look what you started!, lol
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Funny how Chump and the extreme right wing bigots are so obsessed with President Obama? He's been out of office for 2 years!
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"A shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership.
I mean, problems start at the top, and they have to get solved from the top.
A shutdown means the president is weak."
Donald Trump, 2013
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Hey everyone, I am really glad to be here and I hope this site is all it seems to be. I am in the beginning stages of starting a business and the extra income from here will be a blessing. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me or at least direct me to get help with the registration process. For some reason my PayPal is not confirming my account and I have tried everything I can think of. Any suggestions?
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Hey everyone, I am really glad to be here and I hope this site is all it seems to be. I am in the beginning stages of starting a business and the extra income from here will be a blessing. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me or at least direct me to get help with the registration process. For some reason my PayPal is not confirming my account and I have tried everything I can think of. Any suggestions?
Hi, welcome to FC! Your post would probably get more responses under Payments or FusionCash... It's been a long time since I've registered. Try putting in a support ticket and posting under those forums.
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Hey everyone, I am really glad to be here and I hope this site is all it seems to be. I am in the beginning stages of starting a business and the extra income from here will be a blessing. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me or at least direct me to get help with the registration process. For some reason my PayPal is not confirming my account and I have tried everything I can think of. Any suggestions?
The registration process with what? If you are posting in these threads you have already registered with FC. And this question has nothing to do with the conversation at hand so not sure why you are asking here.
If you are having trouble with PayPal confirming your account you need to go to PayPal and ask them. Nobody in here can tell you why YOUR PP account is not confirmed.
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"A shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership.
I mean, problems start at the top, and they have to get solved from the top.
A shutdown means the president is weak."
Donald Trump, 2013 Yep, paints that is exactly what Chump said back when Obama was President. Not Fake News!
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President Obama does NOT have a 10 foot wall in front of his house! Another, CHUMP LIE!
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This is all Trump's fault. We should be building bridges, not walls, and we are a nation of immigrants. What's wrong with immigrants from Mexico? From my experiences, Hispanic/Latino people are nicer than white people. LOL. Trump's just doing this to appease Ann Coulter/Rush Limbaugh, cuz without their support, he'll have no one on his side.
The problem is illegal immigrants.
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Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better HaHaHA!! Thanks for the belly laugh!!! Countrygirl is one of the worst abusers of ad hominem attacks on other members in this forum that don't share her opinion! As far as the bi-polar comment and being off her meds goes, that is not an insult BC I myself am bi-polar and when off the meds can become very prolific BUT not mean spirited !!! P.S. MEAN spirited was an insult but that's ok, bc it's true........Fact check, Fact check, Fact check!!!
Obviously you are off your meds at this point. I have never launched attacks on another member like you are on me. Keep it up. Just because you do not agree with me or obviously are democrat and yes I insulted the democrat party and you feel attacked does not mean it is a personal attack on you. Countrygirl is not just a right-winger bully, she's a mean spirited bi-polar , who needs to get back on her meds.
Once you have to resort to ad hominem you've lost your argument. On Twitter, attempting to put someone down by making them less of a person or inconsequential because that have a mental illness is considered hate speech & will get you suspended off their platform -- I bet FC feels similar.
Be better.
I know for a fact that Fusion Cash feels the same. I also know for a fact that at least one other member was deleted for launching personal attacks. She may not agree with my comments but that does not mean I have mental illness. I am not bi-polar and I am not on medication. But you are correct --- that is def considered a hate speech. And I have never launched personal attacks on other members. I may point out I do not agree and I do speak my opinion just like everyone else.
It amazes me how someone can make a comment like this " Who enjoyed the imaginary conversations CHUMP had with former Presidents, who told him they wished they had built "THAT GREAT WALL". Sometimes when I'm sleepy and watching the News, I think that I'm watching an hilarious SNL skit-then I wake up and SCREAM, OH NO, it's true-Fattbutt, Man-Baby, CHUMP is our President and then I begin to cry!"
And then try to call someone else out for being a bully. That is hilarious.
This entire thread proves what I have said several times....The hate in people's hearts is going to take this country down.
She likes to call us snowflakes cos its a nicer way to insult us.
She has a problem with Jehovahs web-site in teaching bible but u never see her teachings from her Babylonish BS!OH wait!Her teachings are there are animals in heaven she said.LOL!
How blind can 1 be to act so innocent when the whole forum can see her bury herself?
And i must confess i have this peeve of people such as her.I am disappointed in myself for being involved.I dont need her to get my 30 posts.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
Most of the illegals are not stay over visas.
As for the Native Americans they did not have an established country so it isn't the same thing.
Trump isn't lying. If you hate him (like others on here) and hate Republicans then that is fine to. But you cannot be naive enough to think everything the democrats are saying is the truth. Watch the interviews with the border control agents. If you are for or agree with open borders then just say that. But don't sit there and say that there are not people from south of the border walking across the border in great numbers every day. Because it IS happening.
Illegals are also getting government benefits. You can deny that if you choose not to believe it but it most certainly is true.
Maybe you also support a war between the US and Mexico and maybe they will take over the US and we can become part of Mexico. Then you can kiss you freedoms goodbye.
I have said it before and will say it again, the hate is what is going to take this country down. People posting on here are prime examples. People are so full of hate because the other person is a different political party that it doesn't matter what they say or do they go on the attack. And that attitude will eventually take them down.
And nobody is saying no immigrants can come here. They are saying do it LEGALLY! We have a perfectly good system and welcome anyone as long as they come the right way. And the cost of the wall is less than 10% of the total budget.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
Most of the illegals are not stay over visas.
As for the Native Americans they did not have an established country so it isn't the same thing.
Trump isn't lying. If you hate him (like others on here) and hate Republicans then that is fine to. But you cannot be naive enough to think everything the democrats are saying is the truth. Watch the interviews with the border control agents. If you are for or agree with open borders then just say that. But don't sit there and say that there are not people from south of the border walking across the border in great numbers every day. Because it IS happening.
Illegals are also getting government benefits. You can deny that if you choose not to believe it but it most certainly is true.
Maybe you also support a war between the US and Mexico and maybe they will take over the US and we can become part of Mexico. Then you can kiss you freedoms goodbye.
I have said it before and will say it again, the hate is what is going to take this country down. People posting on here are prime examples. People are so full of hate because the other person is a different political party that it doesn't matter what they say or do they go on the attack. And that attitude will eventually take them down.
And nobody is saying no immigrants can come here. They are saying do it LEGALLY! We have a perfectly good system and welcome anyone as long as they come the right way. And the cost of the wall is less than 10% of the total budget.
Copy and paste is not facts.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
Most of the illegals are not stay over visas.
As for the Native Americans they did not have an established country so it isn't the same thing.
Trump isn't lying. If you hate him (like others on here) and hate Republicans then that is fine to. But you cannot be naive enough to think everything the democrats are saying is the truth. Watch the interviews with the border control agents. If you are for or agree with open borders then just say that. But don't sit there and say that there are not people from south of the border walking across the border in great numbers every day. Because it IS happening.
Illegals are also getting government benefits. You can deny that if you choose not to believe it but it most certainly is true.
Maybe you also support a war between the US and Mexico and maybe they will take over the US and we can become part of Mexico. Then you can kiss you freedoms goodbye.
I have said it before and will say it again, the hate is what is going to take this country down. People posting on here are prime examples. People are so full of hate because the other person is a different political party that it doesn't matter what they say or do they go on the attack. And that attitude will eventually take them down.
And nobody is saying no immigrants can come here. They are saying do it LEGALLY! We have a perfectly good system and welcome anyone as long as they come the right way. And the cost of the wall is less than 10% of the total budget.
Copy and paste is not facts.
I did not copy and paste anything. It amazes me you think your source is facts and that anything said by someone who does not support you party is wrong.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
Most of the illegals are not stay over visas.
As for the Native Americans they did not have an established country so it isn't the same thing.
Trump isn't lying. If you hate him (like others on here) and hate Republicans then that is fine to. But you cannot be naive enough to think everything the democrats are saying is the truth. Watch the interviews with the border control agents. If you are for or agree with open borders then just say that. But don't sit there and say that there are not people from south of the border walking across the border in great numbers every day. Because it IS happening.
Illegals are also getting government benefits. You can deny that if you choose not to believe it but it most certainly is true.
Maybe you also support a war between the US and Mexico and maybe they will take over the US and we can become part of Mexico. Then you can kiss you freedoms goodbye.
I have said it before and will say it again, the hate is what is going to take this country down. People posting on here are prime examples. People are so full of hate because the other person is a different political party that it doesn't matter what they say or do they go on the attack. And that attitude will eventually take them down.
And nobody is saying no immigrants can come here. They are saying do it LEGALLY! We have a perfectly good system and welcome anyone as long as they come the right way. And the cost of the wall is less than 10% of the total budget.
Copy and paste is not facts.
I did not copy and paste anything. It amazes me you think your source is facts and that anything said by someone who does not support you party is wrong.
Actually I did not say what party I was with or paste any sources. I just said how I felt. I am a Independent. Sad how some people can become unhinged. Example of what a trump world looks like. Thanks for showing us.
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Copy and paste is not facts.
So much irony.
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Most of those that are off right now would be anyway, and they do get paid later when the government opens back up. the only thing is the tourist are the ones who don't get to see the national sights. But I am sure there are a lot of state parks and sights to see. Obama did several shut downs. Every time he couldn't get his way. He gave billions to other countries. Billions to Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to keep them going when they were giving money away like crazy to people wanting to buy house that had no idea how to pay for one and they lost their tails on it. All President Trump wants is 5B. Just another democrat ploy to make him look bad.
EXACTLY!!!
And we need the wall. You cannot have open boarders and just let who ever walk right in. Nobody is saying no to immigrants just ILLEGAL immigrants.
A wall will not fix over stay visas hence is why liar potus is now looking into that since he can not get his vanity wall. If Native Americans had a wall they would not be overrun with Europeans running their land. Who knows!
Most of the illegals are not stay over visas.
As for the Native Americans they did not have an established country so it isn't the same thing.
Trump isn't lying. If you hate him (like others on here) and hate Republicans then that is fine to. But you cannot be naive enough to think everything the democrats are saying is the truth. Watch the interviews with the border control agents. If you are for or agree with open borders then just say that. But don't sit there and say that there are not people from south of the border walking across the border in great numbers every day. Because it IS happening.
Illegals are also getting government benefits. You can deny that if you choose not to believe it but it most certainly is true.
Maybe you also support a war between the US and Mexico and maybe they will take over the US and we can become part of Mexico. Then you can kiss you freedoms goodbye.
I have said it before and will say it again, the hate is what is going to take this country down. People posting on here are prime examples. People are so full of hate because the other person is a different political party that it doesn't matter what they say or do they go on the attack. And that attitude will eventually take them down.
And nobody is saying no immigrants can come here. They are saying do it LEGALLY! We have a perfectly good system and welcome anyone as long as they come the right way. And the cost of the wall is less than 10% of the total budget.
Copy and paste is not facts.
I did not copy and paste anything. It amazes me you think your source is facts and that anything said by someone who does not support you party is wrong.
Actually I did not say what party I was with or paste any sources. I just said how I felt. I am a Independent. Sad how some people can become unhinged. Example of what a trump world looks like. Thanks for showing us.
I didn't come unhinged. YOU replied to ME saying "copy and paste is not facts" Which makes no sense at all. And I replied to that stating I did not COPY AND PASTE anything. As for saying something foolish about a Trump wold....that is about as ignorant of a comment as I have heard. I never said anything about which party you support either. YOU assumed that I thought you were a certain party. I made no mention. But when you attack my comments and make smart mouthed comments about Trump it is pretty clear you do not support him.
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Let them shutdown :) they are more useless then you think of course there are some pros but mostly con's in my eyes and ears.
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Decent Republicans do NOT support CHUMP either!
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i do not see the point of shutting down the goverment and finanacially mess up almost a million workers that has nothing to do with a wall
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Senate should NOT get paid while on shutdown! :(
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>:( This thing is really bad this time. History made! I am going to freak, My Food Stamps are coming a month early. My rent is in trouble. What the you know what???
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I think that this whole thing is ridiculous.
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to tell you the truth I can't tell they are shutdown
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We are nearing the three week mark for this shutdown...all because this idiot Trump does not want to abandon (or at least compromise) on this stupid border wall of his. In any event, at least I am still getting paid. But I sympathize with those that are suffering financially because of this political chaos.
Trump has compromised on the "wall." But he won't settle for $1 which is what Pelosi will give him....until they pass the bills to reopen the government. Then, as Democrats often do, they would even renege on the $1. It's also disgusting that the delegation went to Puerto Rico last weekend and it looks like Menendez (who was recently acquitted of sexual assault) seemed to be enjoying the "work" they went to do and now this week, planned to go to how many countries on another "informational" tour overseas. Let's not forget Pelosi vacationing in Hawaii....seems like they all really care, doesn't it?
No, the Democrats don't care. if they did, they'd be in negotiations every day. When was the last "negotiation" where Pelosi decided she would not give any money for the border? She and Schumer stated Trump banged his fist on the table and walked out. That's another lie. When he asked if he opened the government would they negotiate funding and she said no, why would he stay in a "going nowhere negotiation?"
It's time people wake up and realize what's going on in this country. So many underhanded tricks have been pulled by the Dems over the years....all the way back to Reagan and the immigration reform.
I also think the TSA workers who are calling off sick are endangering this country by not showing up for work. It's more like a strike they are on and no employer pays their workers who are on strike....why should the taxpayer pay those workers when they aren't doing their job? The rest of the workers who ARE working without pay will get their money when the government is reopened, but those workers who aren't showing up or calling in sick should NOT get their back pay. >:(
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Senate should NOT get paid while on shutdown! :(
Neither should the House, especially Pelosi and Schumer.
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Taxes aren't being raised, freedoms aren't being taken away--as far as I'm concerned they can stay shutdown.
I'll second this !!
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All I can say is stand firm, Mr. President. Build the wall!!!!! Let's see Pelosi tear down HER wall and let all the illegals just walk in and take her stuff!
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This has gone on way too long. They need to come to some kind of agreement and end the shutdown.
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Senate should NOT get paid while on shutdown! :(
Neither should the House, especially Pelosi and Schumer. Senate should NOT get paid while on shutdown! :(
Neither should the House, especially Pelosi and Schumer.
Schumer is Senate and Chump is a Russian Agent!
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Wonder how long the shutdown would last if the workers just didn't show up... No pay, no work.
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The shutdown is now the longest ever.....some people are looking to worth other jobs while they are furloughed...such as being substitute teachers!
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I think this whole thing was planned so a bunch of people could get a vacation. They are all really thanking trump under their breathe, I am sure of it.
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I hope the shut down ends very soon. I feel bad for those people working without pay. The effects of the government shut down eventually affect the whole country the longer it continues.
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Government Shutdown hurts federal workers since they have to work without pay, national parks are closed and especially people who need assistance.
They are not working without pay. They will get paid. Still not understanding who you are saying is being hurt who NEED ASSISTANCE. The welfare checks will still go out. National parks being closed in the middle of winter is not a big deal as most are closed now any way.
No, Mr. Trump signed the executive order to freeze their pay. Some of these people have quit their jobs. Some government organizations ordered their workers to work without pay or be disciplined. They will only be paid if the government is reopened and shutdown is over. Yes welfare programs like food stamps or welfare checks are still going but those programs can be stopped if funding runs out. Most national parks are closed because of the shutdown. Only a few are open. Get your facts straight.
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Give us the wall and this will end. bottom line
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Give us the wall and this will end. bottom line
Right on.... :thumbsup:
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Government Shutdown hurts federal workers since they have to work without pay, national parks are closed and especially people who need assistance.
They are not working without pay. They will get paid. Still not understanding who you are saying is being hurt who NEED ASSISTANCE. The welfare checks will still go out. National parks being closed in the middle of winter is not a big deal as most are closed now any way.
No, Mr. Trump signed the executive order to freeze their pay. Some of these people have quit their jobs. Some government organizations ordered their workers to work without pay or be disciplined. They will only be paid if the government is reopened and shutdown is over. Yes welfare programs like food stamps or welfare checks are still going but those programs can be stopped if funding runs out. Most national parks are closed because of the shutdown. Only a few are open. Get your facts straight.
lol You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. If they are working they WILL be paid. They are not working for free. They WILL receive back pay. And President Trump tried to pass a bill that would pay the workers their first missed pay check but only 6 democrats voted with him. The rest against. So it failed. Guess they were serious when they said they will VOTE AGAINST ANYTHING that Trump tries to do.
Have not heard anything about anyone quitting their job. Yes many have signed up for unemployment and many are calling in sick
It is pathetic that the democrats are so h*ll bent on being right that they refuse to fund something that is around 9% of the total budget. And we do need border protection. I saw this morning where one of the democrats voted against a budget because it included funding for ICE. Oh yeah she is hispanic. Of course she doesn't want funding for something that will stop illegals from coming in to the country.
For the life of me I cannot wrap my mind around how people can not grasp the concept of ILLEGAL. Immigrants coming to the US is not the problem. It is people crossing the border ILLEGALLY that is the problem.
I do fear this will not end well. As has been seen right here on this thread people are so full of hate they could care less about people. All they care about is screaming for their side. My side is right and your side is stupid. I am right and you are wrong. My news source is right and yours is wrong.
Here is a news flash for you : You cannot believe anything that is on the news any more. The media is biased against President Trump and if you do not see that then you just have your eyes closed. I don't care if you like him or not the truth is the truth. I have a friend who is democrat and she can see it. I have listened to a speech he has given then 2 seconds later listened to the news tell me what he said and all I can think is were you drunk when he was speaking because that is NOT what he said.
Like I said, at this point, I do not see this ending well. Nobody will give in. Nobody will compromise. The democrats (who ARE the ones who are voting against the budget) if they cared as much about the American people as they say they do - they would pass this budget and get the government back open. They are all still rich and they could care less about the American people. They care about the power they have. That is it.
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Countrygirl 12, you are as crazy as 45. Did he not said the shutdown is on me (liar). Stop the blame game, 45 shutdown the government and 45 can open it. He is the one that want 5 billion, girl stop it. And since you are so rich like 45 you pay for a wall, that any one can just dig under. It is like nothing that man does you people agree with.
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Countrygirl 12, you are as crazy as 45. Did he not said the shutdown is on me (liar). Stop the blame game, 45 shutdown the government and 45 can open it. He is the one that want 5 billion, girl stop it. And since you are so rich like 45 you pay for a wall, that any one can just dig under. It is like nothing that man does you people agree with.
Okay, first off, I would advise you to not call me names.
Second, you really need to proof read what you type. Because your post is incomprehensible. Not really sure what the heck you are trying to say.
Stop the blame game? YOU are doing the same thing. And President Trump is NOT the only one who wants the wall. Actually read the comments on this thread. Several have said they are also in favor of the wall. So is over half of America.
And I never said I was rich. Trust me, if I were rich I would not waste my time on a penny clicking site tying to make a little extra cash.
And no they are not going to just "dig under it". If the wall is built correctly it will stop the invasion. Or at least greatly slow it down. The illegals cost our country 100 times more than what the wall will cost. Oh yeah, you don't believe that either. lol
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I hope the shut down ends very soon. I feel bad for those people working without pay. The effects of the government shut down eventually affect the whole country the longer it continues.
The biggest way I see that it is effecting the whole country is further dividing us. People are so consumed with hate. Use to it was more of a race thing. Now it is a political party thing.
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It's so heartbreaking. I think the people who claim it's no big deal don't have a federal government job and/or never had to live scrapping buy paycheck to paycheck. My father retired last year or my parents would be in the same boat. And their healthcare payment comes out of their paycheck so at this point they wouldn't even have healthcare. A shut down to play politics doesn't hurt the ones playing that game. Congress is still getting their paycheck. The President is still getting his pay check. I personally know people who are getting evicted from their homes because they can't pay the mortgage. Others have security clearances which involves a good credit score. Unable to pay their credit cards because things like utilities and food must come first lowers their credit score which means they might not have a job to go back too. I say a bill needs to pass into law that if Congress and the President can't pass a budget their paychecks fund the Government so federal workers don't have to wonder where their next meal is coming from, the Government does. It is not right that people take federal jobs for that security, for that notion their job will still be there tomorrow unlike jobs such as stores and restaurants which can close at a moment without notice. And now their all scrambling/heartbroken/crying because their starving/homeless/looking for a second job. Screw Trump and his 5b. There is a deficit and no money for that wall. I might have been inclined to agree with him but his reasoning is the only people coming over are gang members/drug dealers and prostitutes. He's putting millions out of work for his own insecurities and prejudice--but that's another matter. The matter is America as a whole is hurting because congress can't figure out how to come together and work. I say they shouldn't get paid if they can't pass a budget, not the American people.
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You know, it's not just Federal Government workers who are suffering. That funnels down to everyone else too. Without two paychecks now they don't have any extra money. That means restraunts are hard hit. I have friends who rely on those tips because working in places like that pay near to nothing. They aren't making it. Neither is retail or any other store for that matter. If they have money it's got to do to utilities, morgage and car payments. If their is any money left that could go to food. Who's going to by anything like clothes or cars or even power tools? It's always the little guy that gets hurt not the ones that start the mess and keep it going.
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It's so heartbreaking. I think the people who claim it's no big deal don't have a federal government job and/or never had to live scrapping buy paycheck to paycheck. My father retired last year or my parents would be in the same boat. And their healthcare payment comes out of their paycheck so at this point they wouldn't even have healthcare. A shut down to play politics doesn't hurt the ones playing that game. Congress is still getting their paycheck. The President is still getting his pay check. I personally know people who are getting evicted from their homes because they can't pay the mortgage. Others have security clearances which involves a good credit score. Unable to pay their credit cards because things like utilities and food must come first lowers their credit score which means they might not have a job to go back too. I say a bill needs to pass into law that if Congress and the President can't pass a budget their paychecks fund the Government so federal workers don't have to wonder where their next meal is coming from, the Government does. It is not right that people take federal jobs for that security, for that notion their job will still be there tomorrow unlike jobs such as stores and restaurants which can close at a moment without notice. And now their all scrambling/heartbroken/crying because their starving/homeless/looking for a second job. Screw Trump and his 5b. There is a deficit and no money for that wall. I might have been inclined to agree with him but his reasoning is the only people coming over are gang members/drug dealers and prostitutes. He's putting millions out of work for his own insecurities and prejudice--but that's another matter. The matter is America as a whole is hurting because congress can't figure out how to come together and work. I say they shouldn't get paid if they can't pass a budget, not the American people.
The President is not getting a paycheck. Or technically he is but he has DONATED every paycheck he has received.
They only missed ONE paycheck so if these people are being evicted from their homes it is not because of the shut down. You have to miss 3 payments before you are evicted. Not be a couple of weeks late.
They also are not staving. Most people have food in their house to eat. May not be what they want but it is there. Besides that you can get a bag of beans for a couple of dollars and eat all week. Oh yeah but they don't want that. Well suck it up buttercup. There are people working retail or unemployed who are not working government jobs but nobody wants to talk about them.
You need to take a good look at what all is in the budget and where the money is going. It isn't all for the American people. The money for a border wall is less than 10% of the budget. Not a big deal at all. And ALL the democrats who are voting against this have previously voted FOR it. They are only against it now because a Republican (Trump) is suggesting it. If you look you can find video where pretty much ALL of them have said in the past we need a border wall. Including your precious 44 and Clinton too.
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It's so heartbreaking. I think the people who claim it's no big deal don't have a federal government job and/or never had to live scrapping buy paycheck to paycheck. My father retired last year or my parents would be in the same boat. And their healthcare payment comes out of their paycheck so at this point they wouldn't even have healthcare. A shut down to play politics doesn't hurt the ones playing that game. Congress is still getting their paycheck. The President is still getting his pay check. I personally know people who are getting evicted from their homes because they can't pay the mortgage. Others have security clearances which involves a good credit score. Unable to pay their credit cards because things like utilities and food must come first lowers their credit score which means they might not have a job to go back too. I say a bill needs to pass into law that if Congress and the President can't pass a budget their paychecks fund the Government so federal workers don't have to wonder where their next meal is coming from, the Government does. It is not right that people take federal jobs for that security, for that notion their job will still be there tomorrow unlike jobs such as stores and restaurants which can close at a moment without notice. And now their all scrambling/heartbroken/crying because their starving/homeless/looking for a second job. Screw Trump and his 5b. There is a deficit and no money for that wall. I might have been inclined to agree with him but his reasoning is the only people coming over are gang members/drug dealers and prostitutes. He's putting millions out of work for his own insecurities and prejudice--but that's another matter. The matter is America as a whole is hurting because congress can't figure out how to come together and work. I say they shouldn't get paid if they can't pass a budget, not the American people.
I will point something else out - you act like you are SO concerned about the American people --- These ILLEGALS are costing the US close to 300 BILLION dollars a year. In case you are not good at math that is a whole lot more than the 5 billion needed to build a barrier to stop some of the illegals from waltzing across the border.
Maybe you live in Sunshine town where it isn't a problem. Try living in one of the towns where they are over run and flooded with illegals. And whether you want to accept it or not they DO get government benefits. You can scream no they don't but you are wrong. I know for a fact that they do. People need to stop arguing and look at what it going on.
The United States is already over crowded. There are not enough jobs for the American citizens to earn a livable wage. You know the people you just said you were SO concerned about because they are starving and homeless. The whole world cannot move here. And the ones who do need to come legally. It isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.
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Sorry but a wall is not going to stop the biggest source of illegal immigration...visa overstays. Illegals are not signing up for benefits infact many are paying in to the system under fake numbers that they will never collect on. They proudly work in jobs that are "beneath" many Americans, are taken advantage of by employers.
The hate in this country is amazing (suck it up buttercup) there is no compassion left at all. Trump has been the downfall of society. I am very afraid of the future of this country.
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Sorry but a wall is not going to stop the biggest source of illegal immigration...visa overstays. Illegals are not signing up for benefits infact many are paying in to the system under fake numbers that they will never collect on. They proudly work in jobs that are "beneath" many Americans, are taken advantage of by employers.
The hate in this country is amazing (suck it up buttercup) there is no compassion left at all. Trump has been the downfall of society. I am very afraid of the future of this country.
Visa over stays is NOT the biggest source of illegal immigration. The biggest source is the people coming illegally across the border.
And yes illegals are signing up for benefits. It is not fake numbers. This has nothing to do with compassion. If you come here legally then you are welcome. If you sneak in to the country illegally you start out being a criminal. I will agree with you on one thing - I fear for the future of this country. And FYI the downfall of this country started with the big 44 not Trump. But thank you for showing you are full of the hate you accuse others of having.
It also amazes me you admit they are working under "fake numbers" aka somebody else's social security number and you seem to think that is okay. Btw, they use that same fake SS number to get a voter card and they do vote. A lot of states they do not even need the ID anyway.
And if YOU had personally been effected by some jack wagon illegal using your social security number then you would probably be a little less okay with it happening. Because when they work "UNDER YOUR SS NUMBER" then at the end of the year YOU have to pay taxes on that money that you did not get.
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Government workers were working for free until Trump decided to reopen the government. It's not fair to do that all over a wall and I believe it's deeper than that.
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i am glad it is over fpr npw but this could happen again by 2/15/19
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I guess this isn't going to be a popular response but I have limited sympathy for these federal employees. I mean they traditionally get high wages and should prepare for the unexpected just like us folks who don't have such high incomes. Sorry don't mean to be mean.
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Its a joke to scare people who are on some type of support to get more power!
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I guess this isn't going to be a popular response but I have limited sympathy for these federal employees. I mean they traditionally get high wages and should prepare for the unexpected just like us folks who don't have such high incomes. Sorry don't mean to be mean.
Just because you speak the truth doesn't mean you are being mean.
There are some people out there who have been working just as hard and just as much as those federal gov't workers and haven't received a paycheck in six - eight - ten months. Yet they still work on the hope that it will pay off at some point in the future... Some people would love it if they only had to go 30 days without a paycheck!
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thank God that this is over for now. I pray that it won't start over again
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Its a joke to scare people who are on some type of support to get more power!
Some type of support? Nobody on government assistance was effected. And they were not trying to "scare" anybody to get support. This has happened over and over and it will happen again in 3 weeks. The two parties do not work together. If an agreement cannot be reached (and I doubt it will) the government will shut down again.
This has happened with every president for the past several terms. I use to think it was a big deal. But now it is just a thing.
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Trump should've just given an executive order in the first place. The Dems are never gonna compromise, so just get it over with. Obama certainly issued enough of them.
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Government workers should learn how to save their money better knowing this could happen. 8)
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Trump should've just given an executive order in the first place. The Dems are never gonna compromise, so just get it over with. Obama certainly issued enough of them.
Most likely I figure it will shut down again Feb 15 and he will declare a state of emergency. Pelosi said today they WILL NOT give ANY money toward a border wall.
Wall or no wall you have to be a complete idiot to not see there is a problem and a crisis in this country. OR maybe these people do not live where they are seeing first hand the thousands and thousands of illegals who are flooding our country. They refuse to speak English, they hate the American people, and the most certainly do get government benefits. That costs the tax payer (people like me who are working) money.
Nobody is saying to block all immigrants from coming to the United States. They are saying come here the right way. The legal way. I cannot grasp what is so hard to understand about that.
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As a person that was affected by the shutdown, AND WILL NOT BE PAY BACK, since I am a Federal Government Contractor, I can tell you it hurts. If you do not live in the area you do not know, the cost of living around here is as High as NYC, and most of us live paycheck to paycheck. Federal Contractors will not get any $$ back for 35 days of no work, and that is $$ lost. And if the families have 2 members on the same boat is when it get worse, so please do not Criticize how people can survive without a pay check if you do not know that person living conditions. I have some savings and my hubby was working, but still without the payback I will not be able to pay my full mortgage this Month and nobody is going to give some $$ to do that.
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Trump should've just given an executive order in the first place. The Dems are never gonna compromise, so just get it over with. Obama certainly issued enough of them.
Most likely I figure it will shut down again Feb 15 and he will declare a state of emergency. Pelosi said today they WILL NOT give ANY money toward a border wall.
And Trump will be vilified for imposing a :::gasp::: second government shutdown for this immoral wall and then demonized for declaring a fake emergency. Pelosi and Schumer will continue to lie their tails off about how unreasonable and maniacal Trump is and how much they care about their constituents - all the while refusing to negotiate in the least. yada yada yada. Let's just get on with it all and see what new socialist declares Presidential candidacy for 2020.
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Trump should've just given an executive order in the first place. The Dems are never gonna compromise, so just get it over with. Obama certainly issued enough of them.
Most likely I figure it will shut down again Feb 15 and he will declare a state of emergency. Pelosi said today they WILL NOT give ANY money toward a border wall.
And Trump will be vilified for imposing a :::gasp::: second government shutdown for this immoral wall and then demonized for declaring a fake emergency. Pelosi and Schumer will continue to lie their tails off about how unreasonable and maniacal Trump is and how much they care about their constituents - all the while refusing to negotiate in the least. yada yada yada. Let's just get on with it all and see what new socialist declares Presidential candidacy for 2020.
Exactly. I saw this morning where yet another dumocrat is declaring to run for president. What is that? Like 30 now? lol
You know what is really sad is the things that are being passed on the side lines that no one is paying attention to because they are so focused on fighting about a border wall. And I am SO SICK of hearing it called Trump's Wall. The majority of Americans are for the wall. Of course you won't hear that from the liberals.
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be glad when this is all over..so tired of hearing about it...hope he gets the wall done...
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::) I am not into politics so, wall or not they will still get in.
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I am no longer surprised by the idiotic things that "President" Trump does. I was surprised he actually caved in to the Democrats...only for the madness to continue if neither side can reach a consensus by February 15. This is the very reason why I am relocating to another country after I reach retirement. I realize that Trump will no longer be president by then (Thank God), but I do not want to take any chances, LOL.
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I am no longer surprised by the idiotic things that "President" Trump does. I was surprised he actually caved in to the Democrats...only for the madness to continue if neither side can reach a consensus by February 15. This is the very reason why I am relocating to another country after I reach retirement. I realize that Trump will no longer be president by then (Thank God), but I do not want to take any chances, LOL.
He didn't "cave' in. He was stupid though because he should not have believed what that stupid pelosi said. She/they had no intentions of discussing anything. I don't get how you just said neither side will compromise but yet you still want to solely blame Trump.
I also cannot for the life of me grasp how anyone can think if clinton had won she would have been a good leader. SMH. Also doubt very seriously you will move to another country. Just like all the idiots who were screaming it if Trump won the presidency. Well he did, and they are all still here.
You may as well get ready because yes he will shut it back down Feb 15th and he needs to. Then he will do exactly what he said and declare an National Emergency. Which obviously he needs to do. He needs to do like the last idiot in there done and use his MIGHTY PEN AND PHONE and just shove everything through as an Executive Order. If it was okay for obama to do it then it is okay for Trump to do it.
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I am no longer surprised by the idiotic things that "President" Trump does. I was surprised he actually caved in to the Democrats...only for the madness to continue if neither side can reach a consensus by February 15. This is the very reason why I am relocating to another country after I reach retirement. I realize that Trump will no longer be president by then (Thank God), but I do not want to take any chances, LOL.
He didn't "cave' in. He was stupid though because he should not have believed what that stupid pelosi said. She/they had no intentions of discussing anything. I don't get how you just said neither side will compromise but yet you still want to solely blame Trump.
I also cannot for the life of me grasp how anyone can think if clinton had won she would have been a good leader. SMH. Also doubt very seriously you will move to another country. Just like all the idiots who were screaming it if Trump won the presidency. Well he did, and they are all still here.
You may as well get ready because yes he will shut it back down Feb 15th and he needs to. Then he will do exactly what he said and declare an National Emergency. Which obviously he needs to do. He needs to do like the last idiot in there done and use his MIGHTY PEN AND PHONE and just shove everything through as an Executive Order. If it was okay for obama to do it then it is okay for Trump to do it.
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You know pardon me, but I think these forums shouldn't be discussing politics. Everyone has their own opinion and thoughts on things that happen in the government. But, just to rack up part of the $3 dollar bonus politics should be the last thing we should rely on to make the coin. Just my 2 cents.
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You know pardon me, but I think these forums shouldn't be discussing politics. Everyone has their own opinion and thoughts on things that happen in the government. But, just to rack up part of the $3 dollar bonus politics should be the last thing we should rely on to make the coin. Just my 2 cents.
Now u only need 29 posts.