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Report: Wisconsin Election Clerks May Have Illegally Altered Thousands of Ballots
Poll workers in Wisconsin may have unlawfully altered thousands of mail-in ballots due to unlawful guidance from the state’s election commission, according to a report.
According to Wisconsin law, an absentee ballot requires that it be signed by a witness who also lists his or her address. Should the ballot not contain the a witness address, the ballot is disallowed and must be returned to the voter so that the witness can provide that information.
However, according to a report from the “Dan O’Donnell Show,” sources claim that “clerks and vote counters” in the state wrote in the witness signatures themselves. Furthermore, the report claims that the election workers chose to write in the addresses because they were illegally advised to do so by the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC).
If the poll workers did in fact write the addresses in, the ballots are invalid.
“The statute is very, very clear,” said retired Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman. “If an absentee ballot does not have a witness address on it, it’s not valid. That ballot is not valid.”
According to O’Donnell, “The WEC sent uniform instructions to voters with their mail-in ballots that informed them that ‘your witness must sign and provide their full address (street number, street name, city) in the Certification of Witness section’ and warned that ‘if any of the required information above is missing, your ballot will not be counted.'”
Though, according to O’Donnell, additional guidance was sent to clerks in October that instructed them to fill-in the witness address portion of the ballot themselves, to prevent it from being invalidated.
“Please note that the clerk should attempt to resolve any missing witness address information prior to Election Day if possible, and this can be done through reliable information (personal knowledge, voter registration information, through a phone call with the voter or witness),” the WEC wrote. “The witness does not need to appear to add a missing address.”
Judge Gableman says that directive “turned the statute on its head.”
“In defiance of and direct contradiction to the statute, the Wisconsin Elections Commission gave guidance–that is, cover–to all 72 county clerks and turned the statute on his head,” Gableman explained. “They said, ‘Gee, we know the law says an absentee ballot without the witness address is not valid, but county clerk, you have a duty to go ahead and look up on your own the witness’ address if there’s no address on the absentee ballot.”
The WEC appears to be aware of the questionable legality of their directive given that the commission told clerks to write the addresses in using red ink, which would make the ballots easier to locate during a recount.
O’Donnell writes:
The Republican Party of Wisconsin estimates that thousands of witness addresses may have been changed, thus invalidating the ballots on which they appeared. The statutory remedy for this is to subtract a commensurate number of votes for the candidates for whom those ballots were cast, meaning that vote totals may substantially change.
President Trump’s campaign is investigating the scale to which clerks and election workers were altering ballots as well as several other incidents that it has termed ‘irregularities.’ President Trump has also publicly called for a recount of Wisconsin’s vote.
As it stands, Joe Biden won the state by roughly 20,000 votes. In addition to investigating potentially invalid ballots in Wisconsin, the Trump legal team is also looking at potential irregularities and allegations of fraud in several other states.
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Wouldn't this end up as a Supreme Court case if found to be true? States that have fraudulent ballots should be held accountable and the peoples vote needs to be accurately recorded. Other democracies are watching ours.
10 electoral votes at stake (of 538)
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Bulls%it ::)
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fake news! Fake news!
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Not sure a few thousand votes would make a difference when Biden appears to be over five million votes ahead and electoral votes twenty points over the two hundred and seventy required to become president elect? Counting more votes has increased Biden's vote lead. These were allegations made during the Gore/Bush presidential election when the count was considerably closer and the courts through it out. So many conspiracy theories...would Russian translators need to be called in to count all the votes for the current president? So many angles to take on this but, historically, recounts have changed voting numbers by less than four hundred and fifty votes. This being said, it is time for the impeached president to move on and make way for the new President.
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How stupid must 1 be to alter a few votes to go to jail or get a record?
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There was definitely a lot of cheating going on.
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Sad how The dems have to cheat. So proud of our president That doesn't give up or back down. I hope a lot of people go TO jail, but I doubt it
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As long as they have proof otherwise the accused are innocent until proven guilty.
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i heard that...hopefully it will work out for the best...personally they need to use the actual votes instead of the electoral college...
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A lot of dead people have voted!
Dead people don't vote! It a voter's fraud!
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A lot of dead people have voted!
Dead people don't vote! It a voter's fraud!
A lot of dead people cant handle Trump lost!!!!
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Bottom line regardless of what the truth is. There are and have been appearances of impropriety and irregularity in several national votes over the past 20 years. Regardless of which party may have been adversely affected, or even if there have been no adverse effects at all... the appearance or suggestion is there. Suspicion, conspiracy theories, and distrust are here to stay if we keep our current system as is. Much of it may be sour grapes, but there is not a single person who can definitively say that there has not been some level of cheating or miscounting or unintentional human error when it comes to final voting results. (Again, I am not talking about 2020 exclusively here).
We need to move to a system where EVERYONE has to register and prove that they are eligible to vote and NO valid vote is suppressed, discouraged, discarded, or discriminated against regardless of where the vote comes from or who that voter's particular demographic would suggest that they would be inclined to vote for.
ALL legitimate voters count and ALL count as one.
We need to eliminate all pre-election polling and all post-vote projections. The campaigns know where their platform ideas are supported and where they are not. They know where the battleground areas are and where they need to make their push. The polls do nothing but suppress voter turnouts in areas where voters think their vote will not make a difference - either their preferred candidate is a sure winner or a sure loser "according to the polls". In that sense, polls can be (and have been) used to manipulate the actual results by organizations which have an agenda to see certain candidates or issues succeed or fail.
We need to transition to a vote that is controlled, counted, and verified by blockchain technology - secure, un-hackable, and absolutely reviewable in a way that the outcome can never be questioned or challenged because it would eliminate all doubt on either side as to whether any individual vote was legitimate.
Until that day happens, we will always have accusations of cheating and stolen elections. I don't care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Martian. There will still be many people who do not like the results, but there will no longer be people who can dispute the results. And everyone would have to accept the results.
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Bottom line regardless of what the truth is. There are and have been appearances of impropriety and irregularity in several national votes over the past 20 years. Regardless of which party may have been adversely affected, or even if there have been no adverse effects at all... the appearance or suggestion is there. Suspicion, conspiracy theories, and distrust are here to stay if we keep our current system as is. Much of it may be sour grapes, but there is not a single person who can definitively say that there has not been some level of cheating or miscounting or unintentional human error when it comes to final voting results. (Again, I am not talking about 2020 exclusively here).
We need to move to a system where EVERYONE has to register and prove that they are eligible to vote and NO valid vote is suppressed, discouraged, discarded, or discriminated against regardless of where the vote comes from or who that voter's particular demographic would suggest that they would be inclined to vote for.
ALL legitimate voters count and ALL count as one.
We need to eliminate all pre-election polling and all post-vote projections. The campaigns know where their platform ideas are supported and where they are not. They know where the battleground areas are and where they need to make their push. The polls do nothing but suppress voter turnouts in areas where voters think their vote will not make a difference - either their preferred candidate is a sure winner or a sure loser "according to the polls". In that sense, polls can be (and have been) used to manipulate the actual results by organizations which have an agenda to see certain candidates or issues succeed or fail.
We need to transition to a vote that is controlled, counted, and verified by blockchain technology - secure, un-hackable, and absolutely reviewable in a way that the outcome can never be questioned or challenged because it would eliminate all doubt on either side as to whether any individual vote was legitimate.
Until that day happens, we will always have accusations of cheating and stolen elections. I don't care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or Martian. There will still be many people who do not like the results, but there will no longer be people who can dispute the results. And everyone would have to accept the results.
Everyone will have to accept the results?LOL!!!
You just dont get it do you?
Even after Jesus proved beyond a doubt he was the TRUE Gods son,many questioned him till they killed him even if they REALLY knew he was.
And U think you can change a manmade election or anything else man is gonna try?
Man was capable to go to the moon and cant live in peace on earth.
He harnasses the atom then uses it to kill 1000s.
Many are starving but food is stored away.
People protest for the good and it develops into a riot.
You getting this?
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You getting this?
Nope.
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You getting this?
Nope.
My bad for asking when i already knew that.
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BHAHAHAHAHA! :turkey: :pumpkin: :turkey:
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A news report that says "May have?" That's just speculation.
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So obvious there is fraud anyone can see it >:( 8)
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California also have illegals voting
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Throw them all in the trash and start over
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Throw them all in the trash and start over
What!The ballots or the candidates???
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Throw them all in the trash and start over
What!The ballots or the candidates???
Both! Lol!
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Throw them all in the trash and start over
What!The ballots or the candidates???
Both! Lol!
Speaking for myself.............TY..................My pleasure.
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Total rig job case closed 8)
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I don't know what to believe these days....so much misinformation going around...I just know that voter fraud is rare
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Fake News, give it a rest. 45 lost
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is this fake news or not
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If Trump won he wouldn't look into any fraud.
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:)ok looking good
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If Trump won he woulda took stock in banning masks and opened up the economy till everyone bit the dust.....then try to resurrect the rich ONLY with the vaccine.
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If Trump won he wouldn't look into any fraud.
That's false. Trump has been more of a people's president than any other. He wants to seek the truth instead of living a lie. The dude predicted this stuff could and probably would happen. All legal votes matter illegal ones do not & quite frankly I'd rather see this be more honest than someone being cheated out of being president. Of course the left don't want that all they care about is power.
Also, I sense hypocrisy at work. We have a left side who are democrats who want us to just accept Biden as president considering that very same side since 2016 never once considered Trump as president. Don't have to accept Biden as president it's a choice regardless of what anyone thinks. Besides the corruption is real no matter how much the media tries to say it isn't. The government in general needs to draw out new legislation that curves and kills the medias thurst to flat out lye to everyone without any recourse of them spreading false information & that goes from online to offline
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:(oh no Trump got robbed?
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Now, this is particularly pathetic and messy. More fake BS. When will stupid people com to grips as to it's over man up.