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Title: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: articx on October 26, 2009, 04:16:30 pm
Were you one whose parents told you to behave in order to receive presents on Christmas from Santa Claus? Do you still belief this person exist? How do you feel about someone making you belief this lie was true? Would or did you tell your kids Santa Claus is real and why?
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: towelghost on October 26, 2009, 04:19:14 pm
Yes.
No.
I don't really mind, it was fun while it lasted. I still have an "autographed" photo of Santa lol.
I don't know if I would or not if I had kids.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: jiuchan on October 26, 2009, 04:21:43 pm
ahahaha.. yeah.. i'm a guillable person so i believed my mama
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: rilla01 on October 26, 2009, 06:46:08 pm
What no-one believes in Kris Kringle?
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: bmorebabe25 on October 26, 2009, 06:56:51 pm
When I was a kid I wanted to believe, and I didn't even think about how he got into our house and brought us presents or anything.  I guess I was gullible too I believed in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy too.  I let my kids believe too as long as they want to but if they want to know the truth I'll tell them that too. 
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: manmillerm on October 28, 2009, 06:17:39 am
I totally believe in allowing kids to believe in santa. Some people are taking the fun out of all the holidays for kids.
They usually start asking question about santa when they go to school.
I let them believe until they are old enough to ask too many questions than i let them know the truth. I have a 4 yr old daughter who loves santa. she just got a post card from him in the mail! I usually mail her a letter "from santa" too closer to xmas. There are places online where you can order letters from santa that are post marked from the north pole! LOl
My 14 yr old does not believe anymore obviously but she knows she has to pretend for her sister.
Why take all the fun out of xmas.

i believe there was a real man they called santa.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: deekeepinitreal2009 on October 28, 2009, 06:21:48 am
definitely let your kids believe in santa. they get so excited about santa leaving them gifts the night before christmas. let them enjoy it
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: AmyTrivitt on October 28, 2009, 06:23:03 am
Were you one whose parents told you to behave in order to receive presents on Christmas from Santa Claus? Do you still belief this person exist? How do you feel about someone making you belief this lie was true? Would or did you tell your kids Santa Claus is real and why?
Yes!!
Yes my husband & I are Santa!! LOL
It doesnt bother me.
My oldest daughter is seven and she knows there is no santa I didnt tell her the kids at school did, and she was okay with it.
My youngest daughter I bealive thinks there is a santa but santa scares the *bleep* outta her. I have no idea why but she does not like the santa figure at all.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: mrisha on October 28, 2009, 09:24:45 am
I completely believed what my mom and dad said about Santa Claus which always made it the best time ever.  Who cares if its a lie, its called making magic for the children you love.  Kids grow up very quickly and have enough time then to become cynical and skeptical.

Its called making your children happy and there is nothing better than seeing the stars in those eyes and seeing those priceless smiles.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: mommadixon on October 28, 2009, 10:08:29 am
santa claus and christmas are both a lie to get money out of us who dont have it in the first place. Christmas is a pagan hliday that has nothing to do with Jesus at all. Jeremiah 10 lets you know about christmas trees and they celebrated this pagan day before christ even came in the flesh. it is all a joke.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on October 28, 2009, 10:40:51 am
I completely believed what my mom and dad said about Santa Claus which always made it the best time ever.  Who cares if its a lie, its called making magic for the children you love.  Kids grow up very quickly and have enough time then to become cynical and skeptical.

Its called making your children happy and there is nothing better than seeing the stars in those eyes and seeing those priceless smiles.

Where do you draw the line in making children happy?
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: discardedheart on October 28, 2009, 07:30:32 pm
i think santa is one of the many things that make childhood such a magical time. i personally believed in him until i was seven - a boy at school kept telling me that 'santa' was really just my parents.. so i made my mama swear to tell me the truth, and she did.

if i ever have children, which i hope to, i most definitely intend to let them believe in him..
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Hackerway on October 28, 2009, 08:13:43 pm
i didnt car eif it was a lie it made my children laugh and enjoy o day out of the month as a family
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: BAnh on October 28, 2009, 11:31:49 pm
I dont remember if my parents told me about Santa lie - but I did believe he was real - and I still am because I LOVE Christmas, if no Santa then there is no Christmas, which I will be REALLY REALLY SAD, So I [pretend] believe in Santa just cuz of Xmas.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: brendy1990 on October 29, 2009, 05:26:07 am
i didnt car eif it was a lie it made my children laugh and enjoy o day out of the month as a family
i didnt think twice about the lie either,, i guess it is a tradition my parents did it i have done it and  my kids will do the same thing with there kids..
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: manohman on October 29, 2009, 07:37:37 am
Yeah, I was one of those that was manipulated ny the Santa lie. I explained to my son that Santa is much more than a person. He is a spirit of giving out of love for another. And regardless the size or price of a gift, it is the thought and the love that goes into it that carries the most value.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: 1bowen on October 29, 2009, 08:01:04 am
I know I believed for a while, but I don't really remember it...and frankly I wish I did. I love the concept of Santa and I think it is fun for a kid to be able to believe....as long as the parents are enjoying the time with the kids and not using Santa ONLY as a behavior tool, which takes all the fun out of it for the kids.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: heiders11 on October 29, 2009, 09:33:26 am
I was told there was a Santa Claus when I was little. My parents I think would use the story to get us too bed at a decent hour, so they could assemble presents for the morning. One of them would go jingle some bells at the other end of the house and the other would tell us that it was Santa's sleigh bells and we better get to bed or there wouldn't be any more presents under the tree in the morning. Even though I don't believe in Santa, Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without him. Everytime I hear jingle bells I get excited because it means it is Christmas time, my favorite time of year.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: MyLastDisguise on October 29, 2009, 09:56:38 am
I totally bought into the Santa thing, probably for longer than most kids. It made Christmas so exciting. I definitely want to give that to my future children.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: StevenRichman on October 29, 2009, 10:10:26 am
My parents never lied to me.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: ShugaShayn on October 29, 2009, 11:41:39 am
I never believed I think someone messed it up for me but yeah I would tell my kids that he's real because children need something to believe in. Being that I didn't believe kind of messed up the joy in it for me. Like I said children always need something to believe in whether it teaches them good morals, to behave,etc.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: dmiers on October 29, 2009, 12:00:35 pm
Were you one whose parents told you to behave in order to receive presents on Christmas from Santa Claus? Do you still belief this person exist? How do you feel about someone making you belief this lie was true? Would or did you tell your kids Santa Claus is real and why?

Yes I was one of those kids that was told there was a Santa Claus.  I didn't see anything wrong with it.  I considered it all fun and part of the holiday tradition.  I have also carried on the same traditions with my kids.  My oldest daughter knows its me but even still likes the fun in it. I don't see anything wrong with it.  I play along until my kids ask me, and I don't lie to them.  If they approach me about it, I tell them the truth.  I tell them that I am santa and honestly the first thing they ask is if the presents will stop coming. So I don't think they think about the logistcs of it..they just like the idea and the presents..
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: trujillo33 on October 29, 2009, 12:03:39 pm
No i didnt believe in Santa Clause...i probably believe it when i was a child. I think i would tell my child that there is a Santa but when they grow up  i would tell them he is not for real.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: klutzycutie on October 29, 2009, 12:40:11 pm
yea my parents said that

i should b nice because "santas watching" and can tell if ive been good or bad

so i dunno i guess either way i was nice

so it didnt really apply

those were the good old days when we didnt know that it wasnt real

and still beleived that barney was the best thing in the world

lol
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Tere2 on October 29, 2009, 04:01:49 pm
 :wave: Yep, I had mine believing in Santa, the Easter bunny and tooth fairy. I don't remember if my parents told about Santa or not.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: simguy13 on October 29, 2009, 05:42:24 pm
It is funny how I believed in Santa Claus when I was young and also knew that the presents under the Christmas tree was from my parents. I never really believed the whole North Pole and flying raindeers (I think). Since our house had no chimney, that was obviously a lie. Thinking about it know, I don't even remember at what age I learnt the truth. Anyway I believe most kids are really more interested in the gift and really don't care if it was from a make believe Santa Claus. I tell my kids about Santa Claus and because it is a fun make believe story, I let them enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on October 29, 2009, 08:50:16 pm
I dont remember if my parents told me about Santa lie - but I did believe he was real - and I still am because I LOVE Christmas, if no Santa then there is no Christmas, which I will be REALLY REALLY SAD, So I [pretend] believe in Santa just cuz of Xmas.

The traditions of Christmas were around long before the myth of any Santa was formulated.  "Christmas" (albeit going by a different name) was around for a very long time until it was hijacked by Christianity.  There would most certainly be a "Christmas" without the figure of Santa as there was "Christmas" before the figure of Santa.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: dexterjrh on October 29, 2009, 09:08:03 pm
I dont remember if my parents told me about Santa lie - but I did believe he was real - and I still am because I LOVE Christmas, if no Santa then there is no Christmas, which I will be REALLY REALLY SAD, So I [pretend] believe in Santa just cuz of Xmas.

The traditions of Christmas were around long before the myth of any Santa was formulated.  "Christmas" (albeit going by a different name) was around for a very long time until it was hijacked by Christianity.  There would most certainly be a "Christmas" without the figure of Santa as there was "Christmas" before the figure of Santa.

Christmas is around because of Jesus. We are celebrating his birth. Theres is no santa But there is a God
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: ancmetro on October 30, 2009, 01:52:45 am
Santa Claus is not a lie! Read the history books...he really existed and many others followed his steps. Today many play his role as Mr. Santa Claus or Mrs. Santa Claus! Here are some facts: Google: enter Wiki- Santa Claus...open that page and enjoy!
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on October 30, 2009, 11:09:42 am
I dont remember if my parents told me about Santa lie - but I did believe he was real - and I still am because I LOVE Christmas, if no Santa then there is no Christmas, which I will be REALLY REALLY SAD, So I [pretend] believe in Santa just cuz of Xmas.

The traditions of Christmas were around long before the myth of any Santa was formulated.  "Christmas" (albeit going by a different name) was around for a very long time until it was hijacked by Christianity.  There would most certainly be a "Christmas" without the figure of Santa as there was "Christmas" before the figure of Santa.

Christmas is around because of Jesus. We are celebrating his birth. Theres is no santa But there is a God

err no, you're quite mistaken and I suggest you read up on the history and origin of the Christmas traditions before making such adamant claims.  It's not difficult to look into; a 5 minute Google of "origin of christmas" will give you the information needed.

Hell I'll do it for you...

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooc.html

(Can't say I expect you to read through them, but there they are)
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: hellswench on October 31, 2009, 11:21:38 pm
My parent's told me the santa lie and my mother still likes to say "Santa is coming in x-months or x-days" (x being a number) though she knows I do not believe, However I will probably tell my children that he IS real not WAS, and the true meaning of christmas, and when they grow to the age they start to have doubts I'll just stop telling them he exists
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: jnjmolly on October 31, 2009, 11:26:12 pm
I consider a fantasy not a lie. I loved listening to my parents tell me about Santa and I can't wait to have kids and share the stories with them.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on November 01, 2009, 10:26:52 am
I consider a fantasy not a lie.

The act of portraying such a fantasy as truth when you're fully knowledgeable that it's not true is the lie...
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: JosephRomero on November 01, 2009, 10:35:27 am
Quote
Theres is no santa But there is a God

No screenshot....No proof!

 8)
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: mommagoes on November 01, 2009, 05:13:05 pm
growing up i never believed that there was a real santa because from a young age i knew that my grandfather dressed up as santa for all the school and knights of columbus functions that we went to. i knew the tales that were told to other children and i knew that other kids believed it so i never told them that i knew it wasn't real. and when "santa" was at school or the mall or wherever i always pretended to be as excited as they were, even though most of the time i knew the man in the beard quite closely. and as i grew up my own father took over the santa suit from my grandfather. as for my children, my son is 9 and he understands the story and the "magic" of santa but he doesn't believe that a man goes all around the world giving out presents. he knows that his presents come from his father and i and he knows that the santa that goes to the schools and the parades is his own grandpa. it doesn't make his christmas season any less special or less "magical." and i fully intend to share thr truth with my daughter (17 months) when she is old enough to understand.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: yolandazwei1 on November 01, 2009, 05:25:11 pm
Santa Claus lie. What is that about. There are some people who want to still believe and tell their children that Santa Claus exist and there are some who just grow out of it. But Maybe there are others who just simply believe it's just a holiday and it's their family that brings them the presents
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: home_teachin on December 04, 2009, 11:06:58 pm
 I found out around age 6, and it didn't exactly scar me or anything. My mom told me the truth the first time I asked outright if he was real. I told my son Santa was real when he was little. He didn't buy it. He was 4 and he told me "that's impossible". I asked him where the presents come from and he said "you".
So I agreed. I certainly wasn't going to try to convince him.

When he started Kindergarten at 6, he wavered a little because all the other kids believed it. He told me he didn't see how any of that could really happen, and I told him it was just a story to make the holidays fun for kids.
I don't see anything wrong with letting your kids enjoy thinking it's true for a couple of years. But so many parents try to squash their kid's reasoning when they are figuring it out.

I never told him the mall Santa's were helpers, the reindeer ate special dust so they could fly etc. Basically, I let him question and reason it out and agreed with him when he reached the truth. I guess it may seem mean to some people to lie to their kids, but if you think you will Never lie to your kid, I doubt you have a teenager yet.

I think the santa story and discovering the truth can be beneficial to young kids. Especially if you are raising a kid without religion, as I am. It's a chance to see that a Lot of people, what seems like "everybody" to them, can believe something that isn't true. That you have to think about things , question, and see what makes sense.

If they think the Santa story sounds unbelievable, they won't be likely to believe in a magic talking snake, angels, and so on.  ;D
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: tsubasa731 on December 04, 2009, 11:09:16 pm
what do yu mean a lie?!? he's not real?!?
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: angelchef80 on December 05, 2009, 01:10:58 am
figured out there is no santa at like age 4, saw my mom wrapping the presents. But to this day Santa still vists me ;)
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Shutmeup3030150 on December 05, 2009, 07:27:53 am
Surprisingly, my parents never told me that, I didn't find out til I was nearly 8, and by then I was hearing from friends it was "a big lie" haha.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: ptfunds on December 05, 2009, 07:42:42 am
I notice in earlier posts that Christmas was said to have started with Christianity.  Here is a little history that I found online.  Being quite familiar with Winter Solstice and the age old traditions during the late December season I thought it worth posting:

When Christianity spread througout the Roman Empire, Christians did not obliterate pagan symbols or celebrations but, out of respect for the people, adapted them to Christian thought or usage e.g. pagan temples became Christian churches and pagan feasts became celebrations of Christian saints or Christ.

Christmas is celebrated on December 25th, which is very close to the winter solstice. Many pagan cultures had festivals (even regarding the sun) around the time of the winter solstice e.g. the Viking celebration of Yule in late December. Early Christians simply used these established, and well-loved, festivals to celebrate the birth of THE Son, Christ.


Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: drew4464 on December 05, 2009, 07:48:56 am
Actually, Santa does/did exist. My parents were born in Europe and told me stories of how someone would go to all the houses and give out gifts or lumps of coal if you were baf. However, it is not the person that makes Santa real, it is the spirit of giving which is nearlly non-existant today as everyone has the "all about me" belief. I worked retail for 20 years and can tell you horror stories, worse than someone chopping another to pieces as in the movies, of real life happenings of how people act this time of year.

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Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on December 05, 2009, 11:29:57 am
Actually, Santa does/did exist. My parents were born in Europe and told me stories of how someone would go to all the houses and give out gifts or lumps of coal if you were baf. However, it is not the person that makes Santa real, it is the spirit of giving which is nearlly non-existant today as everyone has the "all about me" belief. I worked retail for 20 years and can tell you horror stories, worse than someone chopping another to pieces as in the movies, of real life happenings of how people act this time of year.

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Yes, it's very likely that the mythical character of Santa Claus is based on historical individuals.  Of course, there are many proposals about who those historical individuals are.

But obviously I don't think this thread is referencing that type of Santa.  I think they're referencing the Santa that has reindeers and flies across the world on December 24th giving presents to everyone.  Which is quite clearly untrue.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: home_teachin on December 05, 2009, 11:49:05 am
You are right, the birth of the sun became the birth of the son. This isn't the only holiday adapted from a Pagan one. Look into other Christian holidays, the stories are similar. It's easier to change what people are celebrating, than to get them to stop.

I notice in earlier posts that Christmas was said to have started with Christianity.  Here is a little history that I found online.  Being quite familiar with Winter Solstice and the age old traditions during the late December season I thought it worth posting:

When Christianity spread througout the Roman Empire, Christians did not obliterate pagan symbols or celebrations but, out of respect for the people, adapted them to Christian thought or usage e.g. pagan temples became Christian churches and pagan feasts became celebrations of Christian saints or Christ.

Christmas is celebrated on December 25th, which is very close to the winter solstice. Many pagan cultures had festivals (even regarding the sun) around the time of the winter solstice e.g. the Viking celebration of Yule in late December. Early Christians simply used these established, and well-loved, festivals to celebrate the birth of THE Son, Christ.



Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: devideddi on December 05, 2009, 01:15:51 pm
I felt bad sometimes telling my kids a lie, especially after they start getting a little older. Plus its not supposed to be about him anyway.  We give gifts in honer of the birth of Jesus.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Jester6193 on December 05, 2009, 01:49:28 pm
When I was a kid, I didn't really believe, although my parents never told me otherwise.  Just a skeptical kid i guess?
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: abeyta87 on December 05, 2009, 01:52:54 pm
i believed in santa when i was a kid and would never deprive my children of santa two of three love santa( the other is only 4 months) I found out from my mom when i was older about the truth and my dad didn't know i was told so it was really loving when he went out to make me think he came christmas eve i appreciated having  that as a kid i didn't feel deceived. technically it is not a lie there was a man named saint nicholas who was a very giving man. My kids will know it is the birth of jesus christ and know of santa
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Kymberli0529 on December 05, 2009, 03:02:29 pm
I did believe and my parents allowed it.  I'm not sure when I stopped believing.
Yes, I do 'lie' to my children about Santa and I do use the threat "Behave, Santa is watching."
I don't see anything wrong in letting children believe in a little bit of magic, they're only children for a small amount of time.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: yes_nrodriguez on December 05, 2009, 03:08:00 pm
My parents never told me about Santa, just that it was a lie, and I do not feel like I missed out at anything...maybe I don't know cause never experienced that. I still haven't thought about what I want to tell my kids though, its difficult to decide.
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: teresa523 on December 05, 2009, 03:28:29 pm
I don't belive i want to teach my son that it is okay to lie. so i am not going to start the hole santa claus thing.. I am a christian so i am going tell him we are are to celebrate Jesus birthday instead..
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: symplyapril on December 05, 2009, 03:38:17 pm
Yes, I was told there was a Santa Claus, and I also told my kids he was watching them too.
Do I still believe? Well I'll ask you the same question I asked my kids when they wanted to know; and you can decide for yourself. Who really knows if your bad or good and if your sleeping or awake? I believe that there's a little Santa Claus in all parents.
No i don't regret it, because for a brief moment life was just that simple in a world full of confussion. Merry Christmas everyone!!!
                                                                                                                                     April Cline
 
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: liljp617 on December 05, 2009, 07:09:43 pm
I don't belive i want to teach my son that it is okay to lie. so i am not going to start the hole santa claus thing.. I am a christian so i am going tell him we are are to celebrate Jesus birthday instead..

If you don't wish to lie, then celebrate on September 11th, as that is the true date of Jesus' birth according to the Bible itself (and converted into the modern day calendar).
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: florezitta10 on December 05, 2009, 07:17:19 pm
When I was a kid I wanted to believe, and I didn't even think about how he got into our house and brought us presents or anything.  I guess I was gullible too I believed in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy too.  I let my kids believe too as long as they want to but if they want to know the truth I'll tell them that too. 

This is the way I handle my kids if they ask I will not lie to them. But is it is harmless why mess with it. I did believe in Santa when i was a child as many kids do I also believed in the the tooth fairy and La Llorona lol She still scares the heck out of me. For those that aren't from a Hispanic background La Llorona is a myth I guess you could call i Im not sure but it is said that she appears by rivers and such I don't know the wholes story. But as i always say better safe then sorry. ::)
Title: Re: The Santa Claus lie
Post by: Azanne07 on December 05, 2009, 07:50:22 pm
Santa is the magic of chirstmas not necessarily a real person. Yes. I have told my 2 year old daughter that santa might bring her this or that. especially when we are somewhere else and she wont let the toys go.