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Off-Topic / Re: Do you believe in a Heaven and a Hell?
« on: December 29, 2009, 05:23:42 pm »Message ID: 124106
yeh ..i belive in heaven and hell

and the bible does talk about heaven and hell alot actuelly it says all liers will have their part in the lack of fire
it talks about  death having the keys to hell ..it  mostly in revelations and jessu speaks of going to heaven and living forever with the lord alot .....

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Off-Topic / Re: Proof that God exists
« on: December 23, 2009, 08:18:11 am »Message ID: 122370
why do you keep calling people idiots just because of what they belive thats disrespectfull ...your the only idiot in this forum because you say dumb stuff if you aint gonna respeact peoples views on things without calling them names do me a favor and dont comment on my post anymore...just because you dont believe in god dosint mean you have to bash everybody that does belive ...everybody keep sayinng theres no proof of god from people then faith and the bible ...and im glad you guys say that..because thats all the proof the people of god need..and theres need to argue with  and try to prove that god is real to this idiot...... because you know in your heart that he is and thats all that matters....the people of god have been looked at as idiots and dummys for years but it really dosint matter to me and it shouldint matter to you guys that believe eaither .....all we can do is pray for those people and move on with our lives.....ive seen  what he can do ...especially in my life ...and i thank him for it each and everyday... Keep your head up people of god ...and stay prayerfull

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Off-Topic / Re: Proof that God exists
« on: December 22, 2009, 08:17:44 am »Message ID: 122052
What I found most offensive about this topic is the person who claimed that schizophrenia is a demon possession! What is up with that crap? You know how offensive that is? Not to mention everybody seems to have this stupid idea now where you can magically break your religion off at a small period of your life to find yourself, but then when you're doing you need to get right back to god to be 'saved', for example everybody’s younger party years. That sounds like the idea of an illiterate moron who knows nothing. If god made rules they are always suppose to apply to you, you don't get breaks, and that is what people don't realize. So by everybody’s standards of how obedient you should be to god, and how much you should follow the bible or the torah or whatever, then everybody is going to hell because practically nobody is pure anymore. Everybody has done something, something they need saving for, or whatever bullcrap. Then you got the fakes who think they need a break from their 'god', and either end up being atheists or the half-assed follower that the majority of the world is today. Nobody is purely obedient to their faith anymore, like your book claims you should be, yet the world still goes on, the same *bleep* still happens...I mean I could go on. Your religions are obviously flawed . If something that is suppose to connect me to a higher being that is supposed to be COMPLETALY perfect is something that is flawed or questioned then it was obviously not created by him/her/it or else it wouldn't have been flawed in the first place since the being is omnipotent, it can't mess up; therefore it is obvious that religion was created by the interpretation of man. If not that, then it must have been tainted with time and hand off from generation to generation.  It is a fool’s way, especially if followed to the full extent, which mostly everybody isn’t even willing to do anymore. It is obvious how much people doubt deep down inside, even if some just doubt the religion, which is how atheists usually start.

You’d be surprised how much of a political influence something could have on the majority of people over time if it is accepted, especially if it is claimed to be by a higher being. A lot of people’s morals have been constructed on these very things. You could almost control society, if following these rules the right way, because it has already been instilled over time as one of our natural ways; to follow commandments or words of god; which if you notice change from culture to culture?

I choose to not be a fool and buy into that brainwashing device created by someone who was very smart and understood the human psyche very well, and concluded certain things that have resulted in these religions. I call it the dummy effect; the need to believe in a higher existence. We always need a higher being; parents, boss, wife, whatever it may be. It could just be natural by our emotions to always look for the next person up the line, but I don’t think societies morals would be the same if they realized that we are last up on the line, so religion is also kind of good for the smart people who realize really dumb people probably couldn’t cope with reality in the same way without it.
If people were to consider the fact that there isn’t a god though, and we weren’t to go into chaos or anything like that, I believe society could advance beyond belief. No more moral boundaries.  :)

I guess we’ll see, 2012 right? LOL






you keep posting stuff that makes you sound so ignorent and you know nothing about the bible obviously the bible says he who is without sin cast the first stone jesus said he came to earth to save ..... "he is sick need not a physician" so thatgoes for you saying that everybody is going to hell because everyone is not true to there faith we all make mistakes and thats what repentence is for 

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Off-Topic / Re: Proof that God exists
« on: December 21, 2009, 07:22:49 pm »Message ID: 121861
Let god take care of it? So you're saying we are going to go to hell again? Very offensive, even if it is because you are blinded by your religion. To subject that as a possibility to anyone is wrong. Not that I believe in hell, but you are implying that if there is one, we are going there. :P You know what is funny? I know atheists who donate, are all around good people, have rich loyal families with lots of love, and so fourth. Are they going to hell because they don't believe in god? Even though they are as close to 'pure' as anyone can get nowadays, but just because they believe in god they're going to hell? ARROGANCE I TELL YOU!  >:(


i never said anyone is going to hell ..im not the judge of that god is ..i dont judge people  athesiets are  human beings like anybody else ....so obviously you didint read my post right..your macking it seem like i said  god is so evil and he just sends everyone to hell ..and christians are down right stupied for beliveing in him ..what i was sayyyyinngg was once again god decides  that because there his people not mine.. and im not bout to argue with anybody about there belief ..you believe what you want..and i belive what i want  ..honestly i dont give a crap... you do you  and live the life you want to because in the end god cares about everyone ..even the ones who dont believe
If there is a god then everybody is his people, not just Christians, hence the whole 'he created everything', so that doesn't make sense. Unless you are saying that there are other gods for the 'other' people that aren't Christian? or do you believe they are all recepients of Satan?

The people on this site that don't believe in God are the meanest most hateful and rude bunch I have ever come in contact with.

I hope you get what you want. I hope there is no God for you. I just wonder how you can live another day. When someone dies or if your child dies I just wonder how you are able to make it another day, knowing that was it and you never will see them again.

I am Schizophrenic, it is a lot easier for me to believe in God than a normal person.

Everybody dies eventually; and for your information I was diagnosed with a schitzoid personality at a very young age, which is often the onset of schizophrenia...I still don't believe in god.

Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...

1.) Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.


I believe in the possibility of god, I just see all the given options as inpropable and total crock. How does our universe and everything about it have to do with gods design? EVERYTHING is complex, we know nothing, we create theories that become truths over time when accepted by the majority; we know little about anything. Just how we interpet it in our humanly ways, which most likely has a lot to do with our over-active emotions. If you knew anything about planets, you'd know that the possibilities of the other planets having an atmosphere at one point is very high, as they found much evidence in rocks they collected which contained evidence of oxygen and water at one point, which is all we really need since every creature on our planet has salty blood, and breathes oxygen; further saying that it is just a phase of the planet where organisms could possibly develop. Not to mention it has been proven that our planet is getting closer to the sun by time, and will eventually be engulped by the sun itself; a process caused by gravity. ALSO, Titan, a moon, has clouds, which is another thing you're saying is a specialty for our planet..explain that? Not to mention; just because we are an uber-smart species, that doesn't mean we were designed by some higher being. It has been proven time over that animals have emotions too; for example elephants mourn when their young dies and even have a somewhat ritual good-bye, which occurs with all elephants everywhere. Everything has emotions, we just have a wider variety. Keep in mind evolution is still technically a theory and does not in any way reveal how we came to be in the first place.

Also, just because we can't explain the big bang THEORY, that doesn't mean that it was placed by god, or put into action by any special being, that could infact just be a freak coincidence, could be something else. Not to mention every idea about how the universe came to be is also THEORY. How would they know it filled with light? Also, we have gravity and all of our other weird laws of the world because our matter on this planet consists of something unlike spaces matter, which is completaly logical. Just because we discovered the code of everything(DNA) as well doesn't mean that we are created by god. We just identified the structures of life. The world has its perfections and inperfections. I am not in any way bothered by peoples beliefs either; just people thinking their religion is the only one; or people will go to 'hell' because they don't believe sounds unreasonably crude to me. If you ask me, religion was created by someone very smart once upon a time, kind of like a regulator for mankind, to keep us in check and give us something to look forward to in the morning. HONESTLY I think religion is a good thing, I don't believe it, but without it the world would be a lot worse off; peoplewise at least. You are a smart person and I respect what you are saying, but even after all of that; I still have come to the conclusion that he doesn't exist. As you know, being as crazy as me, you'd have to realize that I have been considering this since I was barely able to read; I have thought of every possibility, and have created my own answers. They could be wrong, but to me they are correct, so I will choose to believe them. Just like you choose to believe in your god because it makes perfect sense to you.

and your last post is just nonsense..
your getting totaly off the subject witch is confusing but ok ...yeh athiests are god children to ,everybody is gods children just because they dont believe dosint mean that he dosint love thme anymore

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Off-Topic / Re: Proof that God exists
« on: December 20, 2009, 01:51:56 pm »Message ID: 121302
Let god take care of it? So you're saying we are going to go to hell again? Very offensive, even if it is because you are blinded by your religion. To subject that as a possibility to anyone is wrong. Not that I believe in hell, but you are implying that if there is one, we are going there. :P You know what is funny? I know atheists who donate, are all around good people, have rich loyal families with lots of love, and so fourth. Are they going to hell because they don't believe in god? Even though they are as close to 'pure' as anyone can get nowadays, but just because they believe in god they're going to hell? ARROGANCE I TELL YOU!  >:(


i never said anyone is going to hell ..im not the judge of that god is ..i dont judge people  athesiets are  human beings like anybody else ....so obviously you didint read my post right..your macking it seem like i said  god is so evil and he just sends everyone to hell ..and christians are down right stupied for beliveing in him ..what i was sayyyyinngg was once again god decides  that because there his people not mine.. and im not bout to argue with anybody about there belief ..you believe what you want..and i belive what i want  ..honestly i dont give a crap... you do you  and live the life you want to because in the end god cares about everyone ..even the ones who dont believe

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Off-Topic / Re: Proof that God exists
« on: December 20, 2009, 01:10:15 pm »Message ID: 121278
i stop Debating with People On this Post ..because we cant convence people   that dont believe in jesus that there is one and they cant convience us that theres not..so only they can diecide for themselfs all we can do is help and go on our way  and let god take care of it ....im pretty positive thats  statement is going to start a controversy but o well

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Off-Topic / Re: Do you like Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus?
« on: December 15, 2009, 09:22:31 am »Message ID: 119740
neither

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Off-Topic / Re: What are your Views On abortion(topic is moreso for women)
« on: December 15, 2009, 09:20:59 am »Message ID: 119736
He/She is a "christian" why would they think, they are all sheep who blindly follow the 'word' put in front of them.


well thats an insult to say chritians why would you say somthing like that...people are people no matter what religion they are ...thats wrong to say that christains don think

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Off-Topic / Re: proof evolution is not true
« on: December 13, 2009, 06:23:37 pm »Message ID: 119027
For those who don't believe in God, why do you care about the people who do?  Does it harm you if they do?

The issue is not belief.  The issue is the pressing of belief and the suppression of any differing belief.  If the belief was kept private within the churches and homes, there wouldn't be any issues.  Instead, there seems to be some kind of innate force within some religious beliefs that commands a lot of people to run out and push it into every possible aspect of other people's lives.  Now, this wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't for this:  You cannot criticize it, even when it's negatively impacting people.  You can't touch religion in the US (fortunately, this is changing a bit as of late).  You can't do hardly anything that directly contradicts religion without having a cat fight on your hands.

You can't even put up a timid billboard such as, "You can be good without God."  There are literally dozens and dozens of examples across this country of those kinds of signs/billboards being forcefully removed by Christian organizations (some stolen, some defaced, some lobby state/local governments, etc.).  In many towns, the first utterance of "I don't believe in God" will get you shunned from everything.

Here's some fun stats on what people think about non-Christians (note the view of atheists):

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Percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person for president" on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:

      Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
      Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
      Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
      Baptist: 6%
      Woman: 8%
      Mormon: 17%
      Muslim: 38%
      Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
      Atheist: 48%

I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....

      Atheist: 47.6%
      Muslim: 33.5%
      African-American 27.2%
      Asian-Americans: 18.5%
      Hispanics: 18.5%
      Jews: 11.8%
      Conservative Christians: 6.9%
      Whites: 2.3%

Gallup has been asking people about whether they would vote for atheists for president for quite some time. Here are the numbers who have said "no" over the years:

      February 1999: 48%
      August 1987: 48%
      April 1983: 51%
      July 1978: 53%
      December 1959: 74%
      September 1958: 77%
      August 1958: 75%

In 2003, the Pew Research Center conducted a poll on "religion and public life" which asked people about their attitudes towards a variety of groups, including atheists. People's opinions of atheists break down:

      Very Favorable: 7%
      Mostly Favorable: 27%
      Mostly Unfavorable: 19%
      Very Unfavorable: 33%

Here are the numbers of born-again Christians who regard the impact of these groups as negative:

      Islam: 71%
      Buddhism: 76%
      Scientology: 81%
      Atheism: 92%

Here are the numbers of non-Christians who view the impact of the same groups as negative:

      Islam: 24%
      Buddhism: 22%
      Scientology: 30%
      Atheism: 50%

Do you think there's a problem with this?

To answer your question of "does it harm you:"  Well, usually not directly and not all the time.  Indirectly, certainly and a lot of the time.



ok ..so people who believe in god should not be able to freely speak out on there religious but hide amoungest the churches and in our homes ..dont you think that sounds kind of discriminating... for us to be scared to even speak what we belive out in public

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Off-Topic / Re: Threading EyeBrows
« on: December 13, 2009, 12:07:51 pm »Message ID: 118955
Just watched the vid and still now sure how this lasts longer than tweezing...

its really no diffrent ..its just another way to pluck your eyebrows to make them look pretty

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Off-Topic / Re: Threading EyeBrows
« on: December 12, 2009, 03:56:08 pm »Message ID: 118709
heres a video that shows you how to do it



http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-thread-eyebrows

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Off-Topic / Re: proof evolution is not true
« on: December 11, 2009, 07:20:26 pm »Message ID: 118285


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Dude, I highly doubt she even understands half the big words you type.  xD Although I guess Google is handy.

lol ... see thats the stuff i was talking about right there people say ignorent stuff about you for stating your opinion and then when we say ignorent stuff back everybody gets mad.....I BELIVE IN GOD ..JUST LEAVE ME ALONE AND GET OVER IT ...and if  how can judge  how much big words somebody knows..that was ignorent

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Off-Topic / Re: God in our Public Schools
« on: December 10, 2009, 05:59:54 pm »Message ID: 117858
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Why don't you just leave me alone

Because you posted. This is a forum.

what ive learn from these posts is that ..you catn convense anyone of anything and that people are gonna do what they wanna do and believe what they wanna believe .i believe god is real and thats all that matters im not gonna focus on  and judge weather or not someone elses life is  right with god ..i just want to be right with god ..and im glad i belive.. so i incourage you to stay beliving and speak out on your thoughts and im glad you posted it :)

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Off-Topic / Re: proof evolution is not true
« on: December 10, 2009, 05:55:36 pm »Message ID: 117853
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yep ..sure will ..if im a moron for beliving that someone created me ..then call me that all day

Your mother and father created you, therefore you aren't a moron! Congratulations! BUT...

I do think you're totally missing the point with all the facts being stated to you-- you need to examine it better and ask questions, listen to our arguments as we are to yours, and maybe learn something or ask more questions relevant to the subject. Walkalone had it right when he said "And she will never know what is real because she wont read any thing anyone else posts". Read our posts carefully! Or you could always remain ignorant and stop posting in this thread...

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I love how people act so sure that they know the truth but the fact is they are only going by what other people conclude

Well duh. Our "truths" can be improved. This is how it works (primarily the lower left portion)--


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People and a lot of them are not that intelligent and if it wan't for the inventor of the lightbulb or everything else then do you think they could invent it or even understand it.

Okay I'm going to be a little nagging here but improve your spelling and grammar please. It's hard to take someone seriously when their posts are all f'd up. I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here.

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You can only know God and enter the kingdom of Heaven by wanting to
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I do think they will get what they believe in when they die, Nothing

I'm curious of your opinion-- if I believe when I die that I will become an animal, will it happen? Or is it just Heaven or nothing with you?

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I choose to believe, There is nothing wrong with it and everything makes a lot more sense and is more meaningful with God in the picture.

Nothing wrong? Do you know anything of the history of christianity? Nothing is wrong with voting for a horrible political candidate just because he says "I BELIEVE!! VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE GOD'S IN MY PICTURE!"? Nothing makes more sense when you believe this way. Refer to the picture above on the right side. It's just easier to ignore the problems around you, don't question things, and be submissive.

Believe what you want, I don't care and I am just posting thoughts. If you don't like it then leave me alone.




exactly science is only based on theory not fact

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Off-Topic / Re: proof evolution is not true
« on: December 10, 2009, 11:42:37 am »Message ID: 117779
I'm still trying to figure out what "proactivaculity" could even mean.  I even Googled it to see if Google could correct the spelling...no luck :(
It's like every thing else she has posted so far. It's all make believe fantasy, not real. And she will never know what is real because she wont read any thing anyone else posts on the subject and I guarantee you if someone were to try and explain these things to her in person she would stick her fingers in her ears and do that LAA LAA LAA LAA *bleep*.

It doesn't take much intelligence to be sheeple and I guess....in this case anyway....ignorance is bliss.

The great thing about these forums tho is the fact that you don't really have to be posting to the member whom you are responding to.....usually they are not worth 2 seconds worth of effort in debating.
It is all the folks who read but don't necessarily post that I am usually speaking to.
So in that way...even morons have some worth on here.


 yep ..sure will ..if im a moron for beliving that someone created me ..then call me that all day

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