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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2009, 01:51:56 pm »
Let god take care of it? So you're saying we are going to go to hell again? Very offensive, even if it is because you are blinded by your religion. To subject that as a possibility to anyone is wrong. Not that I believe in hell, but you are implying that if there is one, we are going there. :P You know what is funny? I know atheists who donate, are all around good people, have rich loyal families with lots of love, and so fourth. Are they going to hell because they don't believe in god? Even though they are as close to 'pure' as anyone can get nowadays, but just because they believe in god they're going to hell? ARROGANCE I TELL YOU!  >:(


i never said anyone is going to hell ..im not the judge of that god is ..i dont judge people  athesiets are  human beings like anybody else ....so obviously you didint read my post right..your macking it seem like i said  god is so evil and he just sends everyone to hell ..and christians are down right stupied for beliveing in him ..what i was sayyyyinngg was once again god decides  that because there his people not mine.. and im not bout to argue with anybody about there belief ..you believe what you want..and i belive what i want  ..honestly i dont give a crap... you do you  and live the life you want to because in the end god cares about everyone ..even the ones who dont believe

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2009, 03:07:52 pm »
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The people on this site that don't believe in God are the meanest most hateful and rude bunch I have ever come in contact with.

If you judge people according to their text in this forum, avoid cities like the plague then. By the way, where'd you get all this info above? Source?

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I am Schizophrenic, it is a lot easier for me to believe in God than a normal person.

Really? Catatonic/disorganized/paranoid? You don't need to tell me if you don't want to-- I'm just curious. I don't know anyone with it. Unique opportunity for discussion! Make a new thread about ailments. But don't judge yourself saying "Because I'm inflicted, I have to believe in god!" it works the other way too.

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god is so evil and he just sends everyone to hell ..and christians are down right stupied for beliveing in him ..what i was sayyyyinngg was once again god decides  that because there his people not mine.. and im not bout to argue with anybody about there belief ..you believe what you want..and i belive what i want  ..honestly i dont give a crap...

No. Christians aren't dumb for believing in him. Christians are dumb for not keeping it to themselves and pushing it on others with the same old nonsense that keeps being posted in this thread. You created this post saying you're just posting your research and yet you say you aren't going to argue with anyone now? I'm sure you knew beforehand what would happen. I think the smartest thing to do would be to not post religious threads.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2009, 04:30:33 pm »
Scientists are unanimously supportive of the fact that we use way, way more than 10% of our brain.  That saying is 100% false and has been since its inception.  When the brain is monitored, every section shows activity.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2009, 05:52:50 pm »
Let god take care of it? So you're saying we are going to go to hell again? Very offensive, even if it is because you are blinded by your religion. To subject that as a possibility to anyone is wrong. Not that I believe in hell, but you are implying that if there is one, we are going there. :P You know what is funny? I know atheists who donate, are all around good people, have rich loyal families with lots of love, and so fourth. Are they going to hell because they don't believe in god? Even though they are as close to 'pure' as anyone can get nowadays, but just because they believe in god they're going to hell? ARROGANCE I TELL YOU!  >:(


i never said anyone is going to hell ..im not the judge of that god is ..i dont judge people  athesiets are  human beings like anybody else ....so obviously you didint read my post right..your macking it seem like i said  god is so evil and he just sends everyone to hell ..and christians are down right stupied for beliveing in him ..what i was sayyyyinngg was once again god decides  that because there his people not mine.. and im not bout to argue with anybody about there belief ..you believe what you want..and i belive what i want  ..honestly i dont give a crap... you do you  and live the life you want to because in the end god cares about everyone ..even the ones who dont believe
If there is a god then everybody is his people, not just Christians, hence the whole 'he created everything', so that doesn't make sense. Unless you are saying that there are other gods for the 'other' people that aren't Christian? or do you believe they are all recepients of Satan?

The people on this site that don't believe in God are the meanest most hateful and rude bunch I have ever come in contact with.

I hope you get what you want. I hope there is no God for you. I just wonder how you can live another day. When someone dies or if your child dies I just wonder how you are able to make it another day, knowing that was it and you never will see them again.

I am Schizophrenic, it is a lot easier for me to believe in God than a normal person.

Everybody dies eventually; and for your information I was diagnosed with a schitzoid personality at a very young age, which is often the onset of schizophrenia...I still don't believe in god.

Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...

1.) Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.


I believe in the possibility of god, I just see all the given options as inpropable and total crock. How does our universe and everything about it have to do with gods design? EVERYTHING is complex, we know nothing, we create theories that become truths over time when accepted by the majority; we know little about anything. Just how we interpet it in our humanly ways, which most likely has a lot to do with our over-active emotions. If you knew anything about planets, you'd know that the possibilities of the other planets having an atmosphere at one point is very high, as they found much evidence in rocks they collected which contained evidence of oxygen and water at one point, which is all we really need since every creature on our planet has salty blood, and breathes oxygen; further saying that it is just a phase of the planet where organisms could possibly develop. Not to mention it has been proven that our planet is getting closer to the sun by time, and will eventually be engulped by the sun itself; a process caused by gravity. ALSO, Titan, a moon, has clouds, which is another thing you're saying is a specialty for our planet..explain that? Not to mention; just because we are an uber-smart species, that doesn't mean we were designed by some higher being. It has been proven time over that animals have emotions too; for example elephants mourn when their young dies and even have a somewhat ritual good-bye, which occurs with all elephants everywhere. Everything has emotions, we just have a wider variety. Keep in mind evolution is still technically a theory and does not in any way reveal how we came to be in the first place.

Also, just because we can't explain the big bang THEORY, that doesn't mean that it was placed by god, or put into action by any special being, that could infact just be a freak coincidence, could be something else. Not to mention every idea about how the universe came to be is also THEORY. How would they know it filled with light? Also, we have gravity and all of our other weird laws of the world because our matter on this planet consists of something unlike spaces matter, which is completaly logical. Just because we discovered the code of everything(DNA) as well doesn't mean that we are created by god. We just identified the structures of life. The world has its perfections and inperfections. I am not in any way bothered by peoples beliefs either; just people thinking their religion is the only one; or people will go to 'hell' because they don't believe sounds unreasonably crude to me. If you ask me, religion was created by someone very smart once upon a time, kind of like a regulator for mankind, to keep us in check and give us something to look forward to in the morning. HONESTLY I think religion is a good thing, I don't believe it, but without it the world would be a lot worse off; peoplewise at least. You are a smart person and I respect what you are saying, but even after all of that; I still have come to the conclusion that he doesn't exist. As you know, being as crazy as me, you'd have to realize that I have been considering this since I was barely able to read; I have thought of every possibility, and have created my own answers. They could be wrong, but to me they are correct, so I will choose to believe them. Just like you choose to believe in your god because it makes perfect sense to you.

and your last post is just nonsense..

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2009, 09:55:31 pm »
Is there any logical proof that God exists?
Answer, only faith and the bible



It makes no sense to claim as proof that a Creator exists by the existance of a book which hasn't been proven to be non-fiction

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2009, 09:59:29 pm »
Hail Santa!
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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2009, 10:06:17 pm »

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2009, 12:27:19 am »
You can say whatever the hell you want or call me every name in the book, you can say I am retarded and ignorant

When you post multiple times saying you believe god exists, then you turn right around and post something that implies you don't believe god exists, how would you expect us to respond?  You make no sense.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2009, 12:50:50 am »
I would be clinically depressed if I was atheist and I am not strong enough to be one.

It would be impossible for me to go to work the next day if my child died and I didn't believe in God.

Sure we may look like idiots but we can cope.
I was diagnosed with depression at age 16 even with growing up believing there is a god.. After the doctors threw me on perscription heroin for 3years.. I finally quit taking the junk and dealt with it in other ways.. Now I believe there is a higher being. Religion is just that Rediculous.. Most of the religions now a days are just branches that some idiot came up with one night..

Besides it's pretty much everyone for themselves and I don't care what you think.
I totally agree with the first part, but if you don't care what others think why bother posting in a message forum that everyone can look at and comment on lol

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2009, 01:18:33 am »
you have to believe and God's evidence is clearly seen once you believe in him he opens up your eyes. Here are a few clear evidencial sites though. http://www.av1611.org/amazing.html
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
It is in his word you can say what you will but one day every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord when you humble yourself before the Lord and truly put your trust in him that he is Lord when you believe you will see there is no way to go around this friends. Jesus has made his evidence clearly from his Word and things seen arguing with these people with reasonings of man is going to cause confusion and damage this witness faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God if they read their bibles and accepted the word of God by faith their blind eyes would be opened their is plenty of evidence but God requires a humble heart and evidence will only show them their need for God and his salvation but the greatest evidence is simple the condemnation they have as enemies of God and their conscience being seared with a hot Iron when you speak the word of God bringing them into condemnation they will only drag down your faith and lead you to endless debates if you publicly openly try and reason with them the only way these people are going to get saved is through the word of God and through the Holy Spirit and many people who think they are saved are not. Schitzophrania is a demon possesion! You have demons in you and you need to cry out for the Lord to save you from these wicked sins you live in and as you seek him more and more he will heal you and those demons can be rid of you if you have faith. God is the reason for our salvation because GOD is what the gospel and this earth is all about and man are a product of God and a beautiful thing in his site. To those that walk uprightly to those that folow him but to those that do wickedness they are an abomination and he hates them! He has provided grace for the whole world but God knows who those are who will not be saved and for his Glory they will be vessels of wrath fitted for destruction Romans 9 Read your bibles and put your trust in the Lord FLEE FROM THE WRATH OF GOD TO COME YOU VILE SINNERS realize your wickedness and violation of Gods law and your sin and crime against the creator of heaven and earth and you will see the purpose for yoru existance HOW HOLY GOD IS AND HOW RIGHTEOUS GOD IS AND THAT HE PUNISHES AND DESTROYS THE WICKED WHO WILL NOT TURN FROM THEIR DEEDS WHO WILL NOT BE SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD WHO WILL NOT TURN THEIR WHOLE HEART TO GOD YOU CANNOT SAY A PRAYER YOU HAVE TO LAY YOURSELF DOWN AT THE MERCY AND GOD TRUST HIM HELL OR HIGHWATER FOR HIS PURPOSE!
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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2009, 04:56:11 am »
I got all the proof I needed when I started seeing things that weren't of good. Now I know that we can have spiritual blindeness, because I see it go on everyday. We just cannot see what is really around us. There are angels and their are demons, but good News is Jesus paid the price, or I do not even want to think about the alternative, if people only knew.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2009, 05:04:29 am »
everyday we open our eye that is proof god exist.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2009, 08:29:11 am »
There is no empirical proof that God exists.  People have been trying for centuries to figure it out, but it comes down to faith!

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2009, 09:18:24 am »
Being scared into obediance is so sad. The concept reaks of mental abuse.

Yeah, I believe in Creator, but you christians with your Jesus are really delusional.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2009, 10:47:46 am »
AHA! You see people make posts like that because they have considered the thought of there being no god! That is the first step to becoming an atheist. The difference between you and I is it happened to me at a way younger age. I have just come to terms a lot quicker. :D There most likely is some existance of higher being, maybe even one that isn't even concerned with us.

AND THAT PREACHING POST I WAS STONED WHEN I READ THAT! OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA XD

I will wait for the second coming! With open arms but I highly doubt it'll ever happen. I think you are delusional, especially for believing in a religion such as Christianity. It is really sad. But everybody has their right to whatever the hell they choose so have at that lifestyle, I'm good.

The possibility of a higher creator is 50/50, there really is only two possible answers to this question; and I am relying on the fact that there most likely isn't a god. But I also realize the fact that the chances of there being a higher is also high. So I'll just leave it at a maybe and live my life how I want too? Your religions are all alike in a lot of ways; and yet you all doubt eachother. I can poke so much holes into the common religion, I really don't want a part of that national depression. You think you would be depressed without believing in a higher being, but you're very wrong.

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