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MorbidRaccoon

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2010, 02:52:54 am »
Good for you.  :thumbsup: LMAO XD Do you take prozac too? Am I the only one who notices that atheists on this forum are the only ones being logical and not offended? :P I mean you guys are saying some harsh things but we aren't getting all butt hurt like you talking about how you have to go retreat to god now because we offended you or something. lame


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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2010, 08:33:34 am »
Am I the only one who notices that atheists on this forum are the only ones being logical and not offended?
Dude....I'm not an atheist.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2010, 08:34:20 am »


It's their life, don't try to save them, they don't want to be saved. :angel11:
THANK YOU!!!!!

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #108 on: January 26, 2010, 02:23:17 pm »
Whenever I doubt that God exists I don't turn to my bible or religious leaders. Instead I read about the electron transport chain and ATPase. Biological systems like these could not have evolves spontaneously or b means of random mutations. These systems prove that there had to be ome element of intelligent design involved in the process. I hope this helps you 2. :)

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #109 on: January 26, 2010, 10:57:54 pm »
Dude.....I believe in Creator.....don't make me change my mind..........

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #110 on: January 26, 2010, 11:30:06 pm »

According to the biblical account, the story of creation and the flood later on both really occurred.

The Bible clearly states that the flood destroyed everything "under heaven" (Gen 6:17). But doesn't that assume the perspective of a flat Earth? Wouldn't it be more precise to say "inside of the heavens," or something like that?

Better, I think, would be to recognize that in few if any instances does Biblical literature intend to speak "literally" (or for that matter "figuratively") in the sense that 21st-century post-Enlightenment people understand literal and figurative language. We're so convinced that the best description of the world involves the latitude and longitude of a roundish ball of matter that we can't see that the contours of Biblical geography might be different from ours but still fruitful and accurate.

Now, how do I explain the Babylonian epics? Easily. If the Bible's account, then it would have been passed down orally. Men who hated God who obviously corrupt His stories to fit their own inventions of polytheism and pagan idolatry. Thus, the flood is corrupted to fit Babylonian mythology, as well as the creation account.
You can't argue that...it's 2/3 paganism...Are you a Muslim?
This was not claimed. The only reason to smuggle in an Islamic presupposition is if one has to come trying to find one. If you're looking for an inconsistency in the post (or looking to make sense of what you think is an inconsistency), I don't think there needs to be one. I think that the only way to get a discrepancy out of my post is to be trying to find one.

But the only way this has any bearing at all is if we assume that the Bible is wrong when it says it is God's Word.
How about we take a neutral stance?
I don't agree such a thing exists.

Islam is the one and only source I've ever seen make the claim that the Bible was handed down by God but extremely corrupted.
Islam is unable to hold up under scrutiny with its own presuppositions. But I digress since this isn't what I was saying at all.

Are you sure you aren't talking about Babylonian mythology?
Those Egyptian myths are far older than their very different Hebrew counterparts.
I probably know where you're going with this -- that the Hebrews, who lived in Babylon, took these stories and modified them slightly for their own creation and flood stories and since language and culture have been observed to readily flow from one culture to another, that this seems by far the most likely explanation for the similarity between these older myths and Biblical stories.
Not exactly... I think the Hebrew creation story predates their Babylonian captivity. I don't doubt the creation story in Genesis far predates the existence of Israel.
There is little doubt that the Canaanite religion was influenced by some of the same myths as the Babylonians(the first empire). As all archeological evidence points to Israel resulting from a peasantry revolt inside of Canaan, the story is likely of Canaanite origin.
You'd only have a case if the story, let alone the Hebrews' apprehension of a deity, was formed by their environment.

Furthermore, you will note that the Babylonian versions have significant differences. Because they are the result of pagans corrupting God's true acts to fit their invented Gods, there are very significant differences in the theology in such stories. They are polytheistic and the gods are not seen as omnipotent and supreme, but rather much more creaturely, so unless you assume the Bible is not the word of God, his contention has no weight.
You just seemed to have assumed something a lot more confusing to me.
Unfortunately I'm afraid I can't continue to talk with you on the issue any more since I think all of your presuppositions, as you've just showed them and in your other previous post, are devoid from both Scripture and Christianity.

Because any other explanation as to what Genesis says is going to totally confound me.
I'll spare you the confoundment and leave you be.  :)

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #111 on: January 26, 2010, 11:54:48 pm »
If you want a movie to watch there is one called "The Case for a Creator" it really strengthed my faith and helped me learn some new things that i didn't know and to see God's fingerprints in more things in life.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2010, 06:22:37 am »
If God created human, than how can a human perspective be expected to prove God. Since God is the creator of humans, how or what ordacity does any human being think he can come up with to try and prove God. God created all.
The sad thing I see over and over is humans trying to prove God. And the only sure way to see God is through Faith, so while you are lingering in doubt, you will never have faith, thus never knowing truth.
Only those that believe will see. Those that have doubt are covered in spiritual blindness.

There are tons of things invisible to the human eye, just look at some of the things you have to take a heavy duty microscope to see. Don't you think a superhuman power would be thus much more invisible, there is stuff all around us we cannot see. believe you me, you don't want to see the bad stuff either. God has a shield of protection over every one of us, one day that shield will be gone, for those that didn't believe. You have a chance now, but instead of asking for God to come into your life, you push him away, thats okay though, that is the devils favorite thing, since we are sinners, and satan is the king of the world, the king of sin, their is only one way out, and that is choosing Jesus as your Savior. satan does not want you to do that, so he tells you what proof is there of God, thus keeping you from believing, thus keeping you from having faith, and you need faith to know God.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2010, 08:33:46 am »
This "proof" is a bit one-sided, wouldn't you say? After all, I've heard atheists give "definitive proof" for why God does not exist, and even though I'm unbiased on the matter, at least theirs was better thought out and more articulate than this. Really guy, you're more hurting your case here than anything else. You should consider educating yourself a bit more before offering up evidence to "prove" what can never be proven. Heck you might even change your viewpoint if you do.
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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2010, 07:58:32 pm »
This "proof" is a bit one-sided, wouldn't you say? After all, I've heard atheists give "definitive proof" for why God does not exist, and even though I'm unbiased on the matter, at least theirs was better thought out and more articulate than this. Really guy, you're more hurting your case here than anything else. You should consider educating yourself a bit more before offering up evidence to "prove" what can never be proven. Heck you might even change your viewpoint if you do.
The only person who will be hurting here is you. I can't stand when people talk like this about God^^^^^
God is God, God is Real, You cannot see or feel of which is not of the Material World.
You can't prove there is a God, Even though there is one, It is impossible.
Can you prove the sky is blue to someone who was blind all their life? Nope, either they believe you or have faith or just don't care. Can you describe a color?
I think I would have a much easier time proving to a blind person that the sky is blue, then trying to prove to them that there is an invisible Jewish zombie living in the sky.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2010, 08:09:19 pm »
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I think I would have a much easier time proving to a blind person that the sky is blue, then trying to prove to them that there is an invisible Jewish zombie living in the sky.

Well put.

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You can't prove there is a God, Even though there is one, It is impossible.

This thread is called "Proof that God exists". If it's impossible, this thread is pointless and should be closed. If you're saying you know there is one, post proof. Let's not beat around the bush here with circular reasoning. We can still see and use colors.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #116 on: January 27, 2010, 09:14:40 pm »
This "proof" is a bit one-sided, wouldn't you say? After all, I've heard atheists give "definitive proof" for why God does not exist, and even though I'm unbiased on the matter, at least theirs was better thought out and more articulate than this. Really guy, you're more hurting your case here than anything else. You should consider educating yourself a bit more before offering up evidence to "prove" what can never be proven. Heck you might even change your viewpoint if you do.
The only person who will be hurting here is you. I can't stand when people talk like this about God^^^^^

Just to be clear, I have too much respect for great spiritual figures like Mohammed or Jesus Christ to ever mock someones faith. You admitted yourself that there is no way to prove the existence of a supreme deity, so why make me out to be the God-basher here? Slow your roll, please.
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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #117 on: January 29, 2010, 09:27:17 pm »
Because any other explanation as to what Genesis says is going to totally confound me.
I'll spare you the confoundment and leave you be.  :)
If you're unsure how to explain your views, that's fine. The only reason I engaged you to begin with was because you seemed to hold an interesting and rather unusual set of beliefs. I'm quite bored with debating issues with traditional Christians.
But I think I pissed you off by confusing your unusual brand of Christianity with Islam.
I didn't mean to offend. I find nothing wrong with Islam, so to me it wasn't an insult. One of my only two friends I trust totally and absolutely is Muslim.

Furthermore, you will note that the Babylonian versions have significant differences. Because they are the result of pagans corrupting God's true acts to fit their invented Gods, there are very significant differences in the theology in such stories. They are polytheistic and the gods are not seen as omnipotent and supreme, but rather much more creaturely, so unless you assume the Bible is not the word of God, his contention has no weight.
You just seemed to have assumed something a lot more confusing to me.
Unfortunately I'm afraid I can't continue to talk with you on the issue any more since I think all of your presuppositions, as you've just showed them and in your other previous post, are devoid from both Scripture and Christianity.
I understand Christianity. I was raised a Christian, and have studied the Bible(specifically hermeneutics) in school. The problem is that you seem to be mixing all of my statements up as my views on the issue. The Bible is clearly stating the flood happened literally. It is not my view of what it states that is outside Christianity, it is your own. I am well aware of what Christianity states on most major issues. Your view that the Bible is not the complete and exact Word of God is far from every branch of Christianity that exists.
Your view of an old Earth is also new and completely unbiblical(as you yourself conceded).

I can easily state that the Bible says the creation story is literal, AND say it didn't happen(interestingly enough, you yourself did this, yet didn't extend me the same room).
Now, how do I explain the Babylonian epics? Easily. If the Bible's account, then it would have been passed down orally. Men who hated God who obviously corrupt His stories to fit their own inventions of polytheism and pagan idolatry. Thus, the flood is corrupted to fit Babylonian mythology, as well as the creation account.
You can't argue that...it's 2/3 paganism...Are you a Muslim?
This was not claimed. The only reason to smuggle in an Islamic presupposition is if one has to come trying to find one. If you're looking for an inconsistency in the post (or looking to make sense of what you think is an inconsistency), I don't think there needs to be one. I think that the only way to get a discrepancy out of my post is to be trying to find one.
You clearly stated that the Bible has been corrupted.
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Men who hated God who obviously corrupt His stories to fit their own inventions of polytheism and pagan idolatry. Thus, the flood is corrupted to fit Babylonian mythology
It was a legitimate question to ask if you were a Muslim. Islam is the only religion I've ever seen do this.
I'm unfamiliar with your denomination of church. What is it called?

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #118 on: January 31, 2010, 10:28:29 am »
We are here, that's really all the proof I need.  What really proves it to me is how many good people there are.

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Re: Proof that God exists
« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2010, 11:33:46 am »
We are here, that's really all the proof I need.  What really proves it to me is how many good people there are.

Psh, where do you live? I'd like to move out there.
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