Proof that God exists

[Stealth3si]

Because any other explanation as to what Genesis says is going to totally confound me.

I'll spare you the confoundment and leave you be. 

If you're unsure how to explain your views, that's fine. The only reason I engaged you to begin with was because you seemed to hold an interesting and rather unusual set of beliefs. I'm quite bored with debating issues with traditional Christians.
But I think I pissed you off by confusing your unusual brand of Christianity with Islam.
I didn't mean to offend. I find nothing wrong with Islam, so to me it wasn't an insult. One of my only two friends I trust totally and absolutely is Muslim.

Haha. No, you did not anger me at all. Did you notice I put a smiley face at the end? 

Perhaps I didn't think it was worth my time to spout weird crap that is unintelligible to most people.

It doesn't matter. I still like learning, reading, and writing. So I'm here. 

Furthermore, you will note that the Babylonian versions have significant differences. Because they are the result of pagans corrupting God's true acts to fit their invented Gods, there are very significant differences in the theology in such stories. They are polytheistic and the gods are not seen as omnipotent and supreme, but rather much more creaturely, so unless you assume the Bible is not the word of God, his contention has no weight.

You just seemed to have assumed something a lot more confusing to me.

Unfortunately I'm afraid I can't continue to talk with you on the issue any more since I think all of your presuppositions, as you've just showed them and in your other previous post, are devoid from both Scripture and Christianity.

I understand Christianity. I was raised a Christian, and have studied the Bible(specifically hermeneutics) in school. The problem is that you seem to be mixing all of my statements up as my views on the issue. The Bible is clearly stating the flood happened literally. It is not my view of what it states that is outside Christianity, it is your own. I am well aware of what Christianity states on most major issues. Your view that the Bible is not the complete and exact Word of God is far from every branch of Christianity that exists....I can easily state that the Bible says the creation story is literal, AND say it didn't happen(interestingly enough, you yourself did this, yet didn't extend me the same room).

I am sorry if I did this but you are arguing a strawman.

Now, how do I explain the Babylonian epics? Easily. If the Bible's account, then it would have been passed down orally. Men who hated God who obviously corrupt His stories to fit their own inventions of polytheism and pagan idolatry. Thus, the flood is corrupted to fit Babylonian mythology, as well as the creation account.

You can't argue that...it's 2/3 paganism...Are you a Muslim?

This was not claimed. The only reason to smuggle in an Islamic presupposition is if one has to come trying to find one. If you're looking for an inconsistency in the post (or looking to make sense of what you think is an inconsistency), I don't think there needs to be one. I think that the only way to get a discrepancy out of my post is to be trying to find one.

You clearly stated that the Bible has been corrupted.

Men who hated God who obviously corrupt His stories to fit their own inventions of polytheism and pagan idolatry. Thus, the flood is corrupted to fit Babylonian mythology

You're referring to the biblical account but I'm actually talking about the event of the so-called "flood" that you raised, right here. So I fail to see how this equates to stating the Bible has been corrupted.

Your view of an old Earth is also new and completely unbiblical(as you yourself conceded).

Where did I espouse the view of an old Earth?

Whether or not it is unbiblical shouldnt' be an issue if we ask the right questions but only if we take seriously the broader biblical narrative about creation and redemption and the kingdom of god and divine covenant and incarnation and crucifixion and resurrection and ascension and outpouring.

It was a legitimate question to ask if you were a Muslim. Islam is the only religion I've ever seen do this.
I'm unfamiliar with your denomination of church. What is it called?

I'm non-denominational. What about you?

[debraleesparks]

 :thumbsup:I know God exists.. but I can't prove God's a WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angel379227]

The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence.

This is interpretation, by the way, and not backed by scripture. You just double-posted a lotta facepalm material there.

[MorbidRaccoon]

Stillll talking about god?

[angel379227]

The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence.

This is interpretation, by the way, and not backed by scripture. You just double-posted a lotta facepalm material there.

Would you please Fugg Off

I thought you had me on "Ignore", lulz.

Yes, keep battling fire with fire, Marie. That's exactly as Christ would have wanted it.   

[nateisinmilwaukee]

There are some real crusaders on fc...my goodness

[Falconer02]

Yes, keep battling fire with fire, Marie. That's exactly as Christ would have wanted it.

I tip my hat to you. You are 'fugging' cool in my book.

There are some real crusaders on fc...my goodness

Indeed. If this is how the majority of americans think, I am truly scared for our future. We need to be more open-minded on this subject-- to get passed ourselves and listen to others and respect their ideas. We need to rid ourselves of our superiority complex. Speaking of which I still have yet to see one ounce of proof. You people tend to say you have proof he exists yet you post none. I am asking for proof-- an explanation of the belief. Example being the belief in gravity existing. Not a faith-based answer because that runs parallel to explaining the existance of Santa Clause. By definition that is not proof.

If the thread was named 'Proof through faith that God exists' that would be fine. I could accept that and respect it. But I doubt the OP has any idea what I'm asking for.

[angel379227]

There are some real crusaders on fc...my goodness

You have to understand it's an interesting subject. I see a lot of folks complaining about the amount of theological discussions going on around here, but hell, these discussions seem to be the only thing keepin' this forum from growing stagnant. What else you wanna talk about, what colors are pretty, or what foods you eat? Pha. (Not talking to you, Nate)

Gimme a good ol' religious debate any day. It's a point of interest for me and so helps to work out them brain muscles. That it can oftentimes prove very humorous is just an added bonus.

[Falconer02]

Would you please Fugg Off

Marieelissa...you've lost any respect anyone could have for you with your constant misinterpretations, strange mental stories, creationist website garbled junk, antagonistic qualities, and massive contradictions. Sure you could tell everyone and I to "fugg off" but at this point we've all learned to chuckle at it all. If you want to be taken seriously and not be taken as a 12 year old fool as you are acting now, avoid these types of threads. You are incapable of arguing.

...but I expect a massive blue, purple, or red colored post by you that you mixed with the five things I listed above.

[queenofnines]

marieelisa, those events that you speak of are all completely possible without god. 

The most recent one that happened to me is there was a Comcast router my husband and I had to turn in before we moved, but we got to the place right after it closed, and it was our only option that day to turn it in but couldn't.  The employees could see us right through the door but refused to let us drop it off quick.  We were just going to drop it at the door and take a possible fine, but a nice man was also there after it closed and offered to come back and turn it in for us the next day so we wouldn't get fined.

[Rastov]

You're referring to the biblical account but I'm actually talking about the event of the so-called "flood" that you raised, right here. So I fail to see how this equates to stating the Bible has been corrupted.

Because if the Biblical account is wrong, then the Bible is impure. It's God's direct dictation or it isn't.
If the flood happened one way, and the Bible presents it as happening another way, then the Bible is wrong, and not directly from God.
And the story being influenced even just in the way it's told by pagan religions is the definition of corruption.

Where did I espouse the view of an old Earth?

I suppose you didn't. But if you don't think the flood story is accurately relayed, I wonder how you have confidence in genealogies, that predate writing. I could remember a story about the flood a lot more faithfully than a list of dozens of ancestors, I think.

I'm non-denominational. What about you?

I was raised as a fundamentalist/independent Baptist. Now I'm just a deist.
I went in circles for years pointing out that 3/4 of Christology is not even based on anything found in the Bible, but I have to admit that the framework is in place for good reason. The Bible is pretty much a decentralized book that doesn't seem to look fondly on large hierarchical churches.
Without that structure you'd inevitably devolve into a Unitarian "personal faith" type thing. It's impossible to maintain unity like that.

[Falconer02]

Your last two posts make no sense, Marieelissa. No sense at all.

[Falconer02]

It makes sense. You just don't understand it. I get it alot.

The moronic statement of the new decade right here, folks.

If you think it is the truth that there is no God then tell your kids the damn truth and stop fabricating life and death and the after life or what not.

I know many families that take the agnostic and atheist path. They come from fantastic households and have great futures ahead of them. I saw one horseback ride last week! She's awesome!

Telling your kids there is a God seems like a way to make life better or death better and basically shelter them from the truth. When gandpa dies it is much easier to say they went to heaven rather than they are dead and that's it. They rot in the ground. It's like the Santa Claus lie. So screw them up and tell them what death really is next time Mr. Goldfish dies or whatever because I know it would screw a kid up at first but then they would get over it.  If there is no God then tell your kids that. Stop sugar coating death. Maybe you already do. As a parent you lie to protect your kids. Got it?

You have some massive mental issues I cannot even begin to describe. Sorry to just shove it in there but...wow...your reasoning skills are beyond recovery. Your naivety surpasses the lines of reality. Lying to your kids? Pointless lies won't screw up a kids trust in the liar? Do I really even need to tell you why you're wrong here? You honestly can't figure it out?

You know I was forced to believe out of fear but I think I am Agnostic

I assure you you're not. You constantly quote christian doctrine and websites and talk of heaven and hell like they're real places. Therefore you are the furthest from the crown of agnosticism.

[Falconer02]

I was told I didn't know how to argue and you are right because I don't argue with people, I was just basically chatting

Again, you don't know how to argue. You weren't adding anything to the argument except your mindless gibberish.

I will find other topics to discuss because this *bleep* is crazy and a waste of time and I can get my 30 posts some other way.

Thank you.

[jonesmeldn]

Look around you and all that nature has to offer,there is your proof that GOD DOES EXIST