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eSineM

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Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« on: December 06, 2009, 01:11:47 am »
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMU7DHMpYc
and you can find the rest of the parts on youtube

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 10:27:15 am »
I ain't got time to bleed.

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 10:39:17 am »
me either jay.  I don't get my information from someone who is famous for pretending to be a super hero for a career.

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 03:46:45 pm »
Hahaha.... well he was governor and a navy seal, so if you don't think he is a good person for inside info in secret government programs, not sure who is. Anyways he is not speaking his expertise really, he is investigating issues like any other show. He goes to the experts for the info, he doesn't pretend to BE the expert. Ultimately its not Jesse who is giving the info, he is merely the host of a show. Its kinda like saying "I wouldn't go to Disney channel for information" which is true, but on occasion there are documentaries by experts. Do you suddenly say "I don't care about the experts, its on the disney channel!" its basically the problem of someone shooting the messenger. This usually happens when people cant comprehend or understand the message, or they disagree but have no real reason. So they rely on attacking the host or the channel, or the person etc. Its generally a last resort for someone who just wants to remain ignorant.

I can understand complaining about sensationalism, or the fact its a TV show and may exaggerate some things. However the facts are the facts, and he just presents them. Just because he was a wrestler doesn't mean you cant trust anyone he interviews and its some huge conspiracy to tell lies haha.  Just like you cant think that just because he is a Navy Seal, he understands all the inner workings of every soldier, or that being governor means he cannot tell the truth at all. (like some politicians), They are all merely jobs... I would hate to hear what some people reading this do for a living that is so pure... working at a big corporation that feeds on resources from other countries? Contributing to bad health? poor wages? etc. Everyone has a job where they work for someone else and ultimately can be blamed for something. Even if they dont recycle! hehe, yet do you suddenly not trust them on any topic and blast them as a person instead of listening to what they say?  Probably not... if so you can pretty much disregard anything ANYONE says and just resort to attacking them personally for their beliefs, their car, their previous job or whatever.

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 04:03:17 pm »
 :sad1:I believe it! My nephew was just killed in an 'accident' in area 51...

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 05:38:38 pm »
Hahaha.... well he was governor and a navy seal, so if you don't think he is a good person for inside info in secret government programs, not sure who is. Anyways he is not speaking his expertise really, he is investigating issues like any other show. He goes to the experts for the info, he doesn't pretend to BE the expert. Ultimately its not Jesse who is giving the info, he is merely the host of a show. Its kinda like saying "I wouldn't go to Disney channel for information" which is true, but on occasion there are documentaries by experts. Do you suddenly say "I don't care about the experts, its on the disney channel!" its basically the problem of someone shooting the messenger. This usually happens when people cant comprehend or understand the message, or they disagree but have no real reason. So they rely on attacking the host or the channel, or the person etc. Its generally a last resort for someone who just wants to remain ignorant.

I disagree that it's a last resort.  For me, it's the first resort.  It's almost always the first thing I look at when someone is making far-fetched claims about something.  Credibility is everything when it comes to controversial subjects.  Credentials are necessary when someone is going to make extraordinary claims.  There are numerous people I wouldn't trust on a single thing, simply because of their history and/or lack of credentials.  That's not to say that someone with respectable credentials can be accepted blindly, but it certainly gives what that person says a higher level of trustworthiness.

People who ramble on about how fluoride in water is killing us typically have no worthy credentials (Christopher Bryson for example).  They have little knowledge about the science.  They take circumstantial and anecdotal evidence and portray it as the end all, be all.  They take scientific/health studies out of context and use it to push their agenda.  They claim they're using "what the experts say."  What they're doing is twisting facts and studies to fit their agenda.  They're telling half-truths to push whatever nonsense they can.  And usually they're making good money off of it, unfortunately.

Another example is Glenn Beck.  I don't even see it necessary to go into his mindless conspiracies anymore, because I know what his logic is like and I know that he has zero credentials.

Kent Hovind another example.

As for the Disney thing, yes I would typically discredit a Disney "documentary" on something controversial.  I'm not sure you mean Disney, I think you mean Discovery.  In either case, if the messenger is untrustworthy, I can really only assume that the people they're interviewing are also untrustworthy or will be taken out of context in what they say/write.  It's how things work.  If you want to be taken seriously, you must make every effort to build your resume with reasons to take you serious.  Most conspiracy theorists don't and thus they're treated as if they have no credentials (rightfully so).
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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 06:20:06 pm »
Actually Disney owns the History Channel etc. So I guess you discredit anything on History Channel without looking? Again it's pointless to judge a documentary based on the host or channel and not on its content, that's the point. 

Nobody is asking you to trust everything any say, they have a series of guests, scientists and even just average people on the corner. Of course you don't trust them without research, but the same goes from ANY source, and immediately discrediting the info based on the corporation or host is pretty pointless.

Also being a wrestler, governor, and navy seal, is hardly discrediting.  As for fluoride, the people pushing the idea it's safe in water, are those selling it.. It's actually illegal/banned in many countries from being added to the water due to the health factors. Plenty of natural fluoride comes from your food and anything you drink, adding more into drinking water toothpaste etc. only adds to the quantity and it can easily reach beyond safe levels, specifically in children.

BTW Disney also owns ABC and its affiliates, The History Channel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_Channel> The Biography Channel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Biography_Channel> History Channel International <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_International> Military History Channel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_History_Channel>, Lifetime <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifetime_%28TV_network%29>, Buena Vista Productions, HBO, ESPN, etc. etc. etc. So if you start elimnating your sources based on the company, in specific Disney, your options will become very few very quick... only about 5 companies own all media channels (arguably 6)

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 06:35:40 pm »
only about 5 companies own all media channels (arguably 6)


apologies for the distraction, but the same applies to

water
food
automotive
etc

it still amazes me

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Re: Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory(HAARP)
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 11:03:27 pm »
only about 5 companies own all media channels (arguably 6)


apologies for the distraction, but the same applies to

water
food
automotive
etc

it still amazes me

Well that's not true at all... there are plenty more than 5 or 6 automobile companies, food distributors/farming companies, water sources/distributors etc.  Although even if there was only 1, it still just shows that you cannot decide the contents value by the distributor alone. The television itself I of course don't feel is the best source of information anyways, but the Jesse's new show is actually a lot let biased, and better 'investigative' journalism than you find on any other news show even from what I see. I think it serves a good purpose of waking people up to the truth about technology such as HAARP and Mind Control, which many people believe does not even exist or is not possible. It don't matter who the host is if they are bringing facts about these topics which are otherwise completely ignored by media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsSs2he6tX4
« Last Edit: December 06, 2009, 11:06:23 pm by eSineM »

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