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angel379227

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2010, 07:44:48 am »
As for having "proof" that god does not exist, no, you can not 100% prove that, but it is akin to my saying that there is an invisible three-headed purple dragon in my garage.  You cannot prove that there isn't!  That may sound silly, but it's true. 

No, no it's not. You can't give me an analogy accurate enough, I'm afraid. You claiming there's a purple dragon in your garage can very easily be disproved if someone were to simply look in there. Your "proof" that God does not exists is based entirely on supposition. You speak of others being brainwashed, but really, you're the one sounding desperate to grasp at any straw that will keep your imagery alive. Purple dragon? No. Just admit you were wrong.
Abash'd the Devil stood, and he felt how awful goodness is

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2010, 03:19:52 pm »
Guess I threw in too many adjectives when I described the dragon, because you skipped over the key word "invisible", which makes your reply to what I said lose any sting you were trying to impose.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
-- Carl Sagan

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2010, 03:23:47 pm »
P.S.  The whole dragon thing actually comes from Carl Sagan, not me.  http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2010, 03:31:07 pm »
Your "proof" that God does not exists is based entirely on supposition. You speak of others being brainwashed, but really, you're the one sounding desperate to grasp at any straw that will keep your imagery alive. Purple dragon? No. Just admit you were wrong.

Eh, don't you know this is exactly what the skeptics say about the Christians?  So frustrating.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
-- Carl Sagan

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2010, 03:40:59 pm »
I can see you chose not to be better than that. Funny that you denounce others for shoving their beliefs in people's faces, yet here you're doing the same thing in defense of your own beliefs. If you really feel people should just live and let live then you wouldn't have made this topic. This is a public forum and if you're displeased with what's being discussed you should just consider moving along to other topics rather than trying to throw dirt in people's eyes. Again, you're acting no better than the people you condemn.

Exactly how am I shoving anything in anyone's face?  I'd really like you to point out where I have said anything against anyone else and their faith.
Also, you seem a bit hypocritical....You say that if I'm displeased I should just move on...why haven't you moved on from this topic?  You're so displeased with what I have to say you feel the need to come on and tell me how wrong.  Again, throw dirt in people's eyes?  I have never nor would I ever tell anyone what to believe or that what they believe is wrong...I was merely stating my beliefs as numerous other people here have done, perhaps you should go back and read my original post.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2010, 03:41:51 pm »
Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Examine what your initial reaction was to the proof of God's existence offered on this website. Did you think that you could continue to deny God because you are not a scientist, or philosopher but 'Surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own? OR Did you even consider that the proof was valid?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His forgiving love, and come to know the peace which passes all understanding

FYI youre the reason I feel this way, well people like you.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2010, 03:53:02 pm »
P.S.  The whole dragon thing actually comes from Carl Sagan, not me.  http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm
Honestly, I'm with you but I give up.

It was never my intention to 'throw dirt' in anyone's eyes nor did I ever tell anyone they were wrong for believing what they choose to believe.  I haven't bashed anyone or any faith in anything I've said as is the case if you read what I originally posted about everyone being equal, it's ashame others don't feel that way as well but do feel the need to defend themselves and their faith by bashing me because I choose not to believe and have stated that I base that fact on being a past believer.
Christians all over the board get their numerous topics, why should I not get mine.  I don't go into anyone elses topics and bash them, as I've been reminded I feel I should remind all those here that this is a public forum.  I have held my tongue and stayed away from all the topics revolving around anything that has anything to do with religion but when A. People start bringing god into every single topic, not matter the original content, it gets rather annoying as the attention is taken away from anything that holds any semblance to what the poster wanted to talk about.  B. When there are 50 topics relating to religion, isn't it fair that all us non-believers as we are called get our own post?  Also, coming into this topic telling me how wrong I am, or that you're praying for me, or that I'm going to hell...Thanks for proving what I was saying.

I respect every and all religion or faith there is out there, I just wish those religious people here could respect others who don't share their belief...or actually read what I posted because I never said you were wrong, did I?... :wave:

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2010, 04:51:40 pm »
Yeah you got mine too. Thanks for making this thread-- having it at the top near "Proof that God exists" makes it look like a decent forum that's willing to see the other side and not a Christian-superiority get-together.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2010, 08:40:54 pm »
Exactly how am I shoving anything in anyone's face?  I'd really like you to point out where I have said anything against anyone else and their faith.
Also, you seem a bit hypocritical....You say that if I'm displeased I should just move on...why haven't you moved on from this topic?  You're so displeased with what I have to say you feel the need to come on and tell me how wrong.  Again, throw dirt in people's eyes?  I have never nor would I ever tell anyone what to believe or that what they believe is wrong...I was merely stating my beliefs as numerous other people here have done, perhaps you should go back and read my original post.

You keep saying to read your original post, but that's the only thing I am referencing:

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before we give respect to some statue who we 'think' died on a piece of wood.  Doesn't the bible tell you not to worship man-made idols?  Well, were you there at the time of christ?  Isn't the bible a tool of a man-made idol IE the cross?  Isn't the figure of your christ on a cross in churches an idol?  Furthermore, how do christians believe so differently amongst themselves...IE..Baptists, Catholics, Etc....... They all condemn each other because they all interpret the bible differently.

My problem is this. You have an issue with people rubbing these religous issues in your face, telling you that what you believe is wrong, "blah, blah, blah", yet right there you do the exact same thing. If you had come in here, explaining your beliefs without belittling other people's beliefs, I would have applauded and encouraged you for your courage and dignity. Instead, you stepped on Christians in order to declare your beliefs, and that I can never condone.

And I've never bashed you for your beliefs, but you should consider presenting them in a less offensive manner if you expect others to do the same. I know you don't care what I think, and you think I'm an *bleep* looking to pick a fight, but I would feel I'd lessen myself if I called Christians down for bashing other faiths to validate their own and didn't do the same to you. Truth be told, I actually think you're remarkably intelligent, just misguided.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2010, 08:55:17 pm »
Nice to see people have so much free time on their hands :angel11:

Didn't you say you're unemployed?
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2010, 09:03:55 pm »
To go to the beginning of this post - I was raised Catholic as well and remained a catholic until my sophomore year in college.  Since then (about 9 years) I've removed myself further from religion because I truly believe that there is no way one form of religion can be right and I'm tired of all the fighting over who is right.  IF there is a GOD then he or she wouldnt want people fighting to the death over their existence and if they did then I would be happy to not be a believer.  However, there are thousands of off-shoots of religion - those who believe in god, those who have multiple gods, those who believe that Jesus is equal to god, those who believe in land spirits, on and on and so on - so who's right?  
I'm happier atheist because I embrace everyone as equal and an open to everyone's beliefs, I just dont want religion crammed in my face.  I do agree that education doesnt mean you're not religious or better able to argue against the reality of it, but I cannot stand those who are religious and do not research their beliefs.  Blind faith is the worse disease - be open minded, question your beliefs and decide if there is enough in your life to justify your beliefs and religion before you call yourself a christian, muslim, jewish, wiccan what have you.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2010, 10:13:10 pm »
Jesus gave us the only gift we need to be with Our Creator

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2010, 10:24:43 pm »
When I see folks refer to other faiths as a "scam" of "fairytales", it shows a lack of consideration and sets me off, but when I confront someone who claims they have "proof" either way that God exists or does not, then I really can't take anything they say seriously. C'mon now, Queen, you know that if such proof existed this matter would not be in contention. Please tell me you have another source other than that godisimaginary.com link, cause I perused that and it's just as one-sided and idiotic as any Christian site I've visited proclaiming they have definitive proof that the lawd does indeed exist.
The case that God doesn't exist is indeed where the default lies. You must prove God exists or have evidence, not the other way around.
Bertrand Russel argued that it is impossible for mankind to argue logically against a teapot orbiting around the earth at incredible speeds if the teapot is so small that it is undetectable even by the most powerful telescopes and machines we have on earth.

He also went on to say that although we cannot argue against such a tea pot it would be completely silly to argue that it exists, it is, after all, an incredibly small tea pot that we cannot see.

I for one, see no reason why I cannot claim that there is in fact, no omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being that is somehow listening to all the prayers of all the people in the world, and is capable of fathering human beings and making snakes talk.

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No, no it's not. You can't give me an analogy accurate enough, I'm afraid. You claiming there's a purple dragon in your garage can very easily be disproved if someone were to simply look in there. Your "proof" that God does not exists is based entirely on supposition. You speak of others being brainwashed, but really, you're the one sounding desperate to grasp at any straw that will keep your imagery alive. Purple dragon? No. Just admit you were wrong.
Well, I just did it(or Betrand Russel). So why don't you just admit you're wrong?

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While I applaud you for your conviction, I have to say that growing up Catholic and then studying branches of Christianity does not mean you understand the religion. You're judging the faith by some of its misguided followers, when the message is one of piousness and love. Bear in mind that I find the beliefs of Christianity positively absurd, but I've seen the results that have come from genuine understanding of the words of Jesus Christ, and I gotta say he deserves better than to have some whelp like you goin around acting like you understand. Go study some more and put that fiery spirit of yours to good use, cause as it is now, your tirade is just as bad as I've seen from many a bible-thumper. Be better than that.
You fail to understand that *whatever* Jesus believed and taught Christianity is defined by it's followers not by Christ.

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Hitler was a Catholic. He didn't believe in evolution. He thought the Earth was 6,000 years old and he said "We must defend Christianity from the Jew". You shame Jesus by lying in His name.

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Well I do hope you speak to your children like you speak to any person who believes in God (assuming your kids believe, since they usually do) and I do hope you don't hold back and really lay it on them. I also hope when a Loved one dies you really tell them what happens and not make it all sweet like you will see them in Heaven one day. hahahahahaha they should screw them up. :p
I wonder why you think children need to be condescended and lied to.
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2010, 09:34:46 am »
I think anybody that doesn't  believe better wake up,I think our time of reckoning is close at hand!

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2010, 09:37:00 am »
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I think anybody that doesn't  believe better wake up,I think our time of reckoning is close at hand!

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...ALL THROUGHOUT MANKINDS HISTORY.

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