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ablengata

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #210 on: March 03, 2010, 03:49:06 am »
i don't believe in organized religions.  they only cause problems.  I believe in my own personal relationship with the stellar intelligence that created me.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #211 on: March 03, 2010, 08:47:17 am »
On the other hand, it can't be ignored how much we are holding ourselves back as a species, believing things that aren't true.  Also, many people deprive or hold themselves back in life in the name of god, believing that a hard life today is okay because they'll get a heaven for eternity.  Lastly, stopping all of the crimes done in the name of religion, both small and big, shouldn't be seen as a mute point because it's assumed or feared that something might replace those crimes.

This whole paragraph is pure supposition. It's impossible to claim that the world would be less violent, less deprived, without religion. The closest case study we have of this is China, where over 90% of the population do not believe in any form of higher power whatsoever. Can you honestly say this country is more progressive than ours for it?

Let's not pretend we know what's best for the world just because we've found what's best for us individually. As many reasons as you can come up with for why religion damages society, I can whip out equal reasoning for why it's beneficial. Mind you, I do in my heart feel our species would be better off without organized religion, but I'm not going to profess I know that for certain.

Also, it can't be denied that while a lot of evil has been done in the world as a direct result of the belief in a higher power, there's also been a great many good deed performed as well, so it would be reasonable to assume that without religion both sides of the spectrum would be reduced. Either this or, as I believe, we would continue to find both cases of extreme cruelty and extreme compassion, commuted for our ideals, which we are now free to define as we see fit, rather than by our god.

Again, we just don't know if the world would in fact be a better place without religion, any more than we can assume that some higher power truly doesn't exist, so to presume you know otherwise is placing yourself on a pedestal of wisdom that none here on earth should mount so exuberantly.

To me, a greater hindrance to humanity than religion is this inability we as a species have to "live and let live". I'm of the firm belief that, no matter the faith or lack thereof you have, if we held firm to this ideal above all others, we would have far less atrocities committed in the world, and so less reason to cast blame for them, using their occurrences as ammunition against every other person with whom the perpetrators share a common belief.
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #212 on: March 03, 2010, 08:57:40 am »
For your information I know Atheism is not a religion. But whatever forcing your beliefs (if that makes you feel so much better.) down our throats. I told you already that I am not your "average" christian. I do not go to church.......some I think men threw in there. I think you sound so bitter towards the Christian religion. Like you're trying to get payback for something..

I don't have beliefs...I have facts.  And I'm interpreting your first two sentences as being said in a childish tone (I could be wrong, though).

You're not an "average" Christian?  So you're the other kind?  The kind that thinks god is a free-for-all buffet that you can pick through to suit your individual taste?  Oh goodie!

That kind of believer is perhaps even more infuriating than the strict Bible thumper.  They are the people who feel that as long as a person believes in *something*, they're good.  They're practically starting their own religion when it comes to their stances on the various issues, because these stances tend to be very loose and invented and based solely on whatever thoughts suit them personally.  

If you claim to believe in the god of the Bible, who are you to go against the grain of what your religion requires?  You're supposed to think of the Bible as a holy and sacred book, completely inspired by god, and you're supposed to go to church!  To act like you are better than these requirements is to fall in the wishy-washy category of "As long as I say I believe in god, I'm set.  I can do anything I want, as I long as I believe."

So which parts did god write in the bible, and which parts were made up by scared, Bronze Age humans?  Wait, I think I know what you're going to say...anything that goes along with society's current laws on human decency was spoken by god, and anything that's obviously barbaric and cuckoo was written by those silly, god-chosen prophets!

I'm not bitter and I'm certainly not getting "payback".  I was fortunate enough not to be raised religiously; I never saw any evidence for this god that some believed in, and god/Christians certainly never approached me like he's/they are supposed to have!  I CHOSE to give god a try at an age of consent due to "a traumatic life experience" (that's how so many people get sucked in!).  It was a point-blank choice made without evidence, and before you know it, I was brainwashed like the next guy.  Fortunately that intelligent part of me didn't die, it was just covered up for awhile, and I had the courage after 5 years to gather my evidence once and for all if there was a god or not.  Didn't want to live the rest of my life based on a lie if there wasn't a god; didn't want to burn in hell and yadda yadda if there was!
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #213 on: March 03, 2010, 09:09:23 am »
To me, a greater hindrance to humanity than religion is this inability we as a species have to "live and let live". I'm of the firm belief that, no matter the faith or lack thereof you have, if we held firm to this ideal above all others, we would have far less atrocities committed in the world, and so less reason to cast blame for them, using their occurrences as ammunition against every other person with whom the perpetrators share a common belief.

Being reasonable with the current state of the world, I think "live and let live" is a good policy.  However, it is problematic when you throw in the part about Christians being called to save people like me from hell.  Christians *are* supposed to be doing that, but many give up way too easily or don't try at all.  They don't want to ruffle feathers or be put in an uncomfortable situation, but that's exactly what god says they are supposed to be doing.  It seems pretty selfish and un-godly to let so many people perish without a strong, solid fight.  Unless that's what god wanted and designed; some of us are born destined for heaven, others for hell.  Thanks god.
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #214 on: March 03, 2010, 09:12:43 am »
Well considering she seems to always be in this forum ragging on Christianity that is atleast one of her hobbys.
Oh and have you not been following my posts? I mean seriously of course I see the irony in that I was stating why I do not believe every single word in the entire bible. I mean I think maybe the original bible was perfect and told the entire truth but when people got a hold of it they changed it. They added things and took stuff out. I don't care what any bible claims it's not the original.  I love God and I know he is there and I praise him when I am at home I do not go to church... I don't feel that I need to go there to praise him. I am FAR from close minded. My brother is a college professor in ancient religions. He has told me about every  religion  you can think of and I've looked into so many religions and beliefs. Christianity is the only thing that makes since to me. But I never tried to force my beliefs on my brother or anyone for that matter. I think everyone has their own opinion. Basically all I've been trying to say throughout all these posts is all of you Atheists need to seriously  respect other peoples rligion. You wouldn't like it if I were to say "You're going to hell and you need Jesus." now would you? Okay then I don't wanna hear how you keep saying my beliefs are BS. Just seriously keep that to yourself.

And for Queenofnines: No I do not think I'm better than anyone else and I don't pick and chose anything. As I said above people have changed so much of the bible it's hard to follow it. I believe a lot is very true but seriously how much have men taken out or added over the years? Why is there so many versions of the bible? Shouldn't there only be one? If I could find the real original bible I would follow everything in it. Hmm  oh and is that a childish tone I hear in your second sentence?
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #215 on: March 03, 2010, 09:45:24 am »
I believe that each person has a right to his or her own opinion and should not try to force it down anyones throat. I do think however that you need to do a full and complete research on both subjects before you make a final decision.  I shudder to think what if youve made the wrong  :( :o :-[choice.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #216 on: March 03, 2010, 09:51:49 am »
it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing  :peace: :heart: :wave:

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #217 on: March 03, 2010, 09:55:31 am »
it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing  :peace: :heart: :wave:
Lol so they say... I doubt they left everyting. I have also heard they added stuff but I guess we will never know unfortunately.    :-[
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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #218 on: March 03, 2010, 10:05:48 am »
it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing  :peace: :heart: :wave:

Amen brother and from that they have proven the bible. It doesn't matter what people believe it mattes what is true. If they don't believe in gravity they are still going to be affected by it wither they believe in it or not. There is too much proof for God and if they ignore it just as Romans 1 says they are without excuse! They want proof they can look here www.wayofthemaster.com www.av1611.org/hell.html www.av1611.org/amazing.html www.biblebelievers.org www.AnswersinGenesis.com (excelent Creation Science website)

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #219 on: March 03, 2010, 10:09:24 am »
it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing  :peace: :heart: :wave:

Amen brother and from that they have proven the bible. It doesn't matter what people believe it mattes what is true. If they don't believe in gravity they are still going to be affected by it wither they believe in it or not. There is too much proof for God and if they ignore it just as Romans 1 says they are without excuse! They want proof they can look here www.wayofthemaster.com www.av1611.org/hell.html www.av1611.org/amazing.html www.biblebelievers.org www.AnswersinGenesis.com (excelent Creation Science website)

That is a great way to put it.  :)

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #220 on: March 03, 2010, 10:31:30 am »
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it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing

They did that in the King James version plenty of times.

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Amen brother and from that they have proven the bible. It doesn't matter what people believe it mattes what is true. If they don't believe in gravity they are still going to be affected by it wither they believe in it or not. There is too much proof for God and if they ignore it just as Romans 1 says they are without excuse! They want proof they can look here www.wayofthemaster.com www.av1611.org/hell.html www.av1611.org/amazing.html www.biblebelievers.org www.AnswersinGenesis.com (excelent Creation Science website)

This is coming from one of the worst extremists on this forum. Everything in your post is illogical or false. You cannot put the belief of gravity on the same shelf as the belief in god. One you can actually interact with and can be easily test- it is a belief. It stands within the confines of reality. Believing in god is faith-based and is not scientific in the least. How your sources are from creation-science websites (especially AnswersinGenesis-- the WORST misinformed site on science) further proves your ignorance and naivety on the subject.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #221 on: March 03, 2010, 10:34:47 am »
What I got out of that was everyone is affected by gravity wheather they want to be or not. Just like everyone will be affected by God in the end.

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #222 on: March 03, 2010, 10:41:03 am »
Amen brother and from that they have proven the bible. It doesn't matter what people believe it mattes what is true. If they don't believe in gravity they are still going to be affected by it wither they believe in it or not. There is too much proof for God and if they ignore it just as Romans 1 says they are without excuse! They want proof they can look here www.wayofthemaster.com www.av1611.org/hell.html www.av1611.org/amazing.html www.biblebelievers.org www.AnswersinGenesis.com (excelent Creation Science website)

I perused each of those links carefully and found not one shred of this "proof" you speak of.

And Queen of Nines, you're a pretty awesome person to converse with on this matter. I think we're on the same level on a lot of issues, we just approach and execute in different ways. I've yet to respond to your last post, but I'm trying to locate any evidence to support your claim that Christ told his followers to save us all from hell. I do understand how you can reach that conclusion, as many of the sects which sprang up after the death of Jesus preached this message, but to me that's no evidence that it's the way he meant for his subjugates. Again, I think you're confusing the way Christianity should be represented and the way that it is currently.

I do agree that most of the books gathered together to become the New Testament point towards this type of thinking and practice, but neither you nor I believe for a second that what man has written or created is in any way divine, so we can't claim that what spurns from these are the supposed will of any deity that may or may not exist.

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The King James Version is Real Thing

See Queen, this is when it's appropriate to call someone an idiot.
Abash'd the Devil stood, and he felt how awful goodness is

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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #223 on: March 03, 2010, 10:43:44 am »
it is wrong 2 take away and add to the Bible. The King James Version is Real Thing  :peace: :heart: :wave:

Amen brother and from that they have proven the bible. It doesn't matter what people believe it mattes what is true. If they don't believe in gravity they are still going to be affected by it wither they believe in it or not. There is too much proof for God and if they ignore it just as Romans 1 says they are without excuse! They want proof they can look here www.wayofthemaster.com www.av1611.org/hell.html www.av1611.org/amazing.html www.biblebelievers.org www.AnswersinGenesis.com (excelent Creation Science website)

That is a great way to put it.  :)


If the king james version is the real thing why does it mistranslate the word paska to the pagan celtic holiday easter at Acts 12:4?

Also almost every bible including king james mistranslates the words sheol, hades and gehenna to the word hell, thus causing much confusion.

Even king james has god's name, Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4, Genesis 22:14, Exodus 17:15, Judges 6:24


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Re: I do NOT believe in god
« Reply #224 on: March 03, 2010, 10:51:21 am »
Figured all these people are posting about how they think god exists and blah, blah, blah.......so I thought I'd create my own topic.
I do not believe nor will I ever.  You can preach and testimony all you want, I grew up a Catholic, and was one until about two years ago.  I have researched, studied, and believed until that point.  I know alllll about being a christian, faith, god, etc.
Personally, I don't believe anyone should rub it into anyone's face that they are goin to hell for not believing...
That they are wrong for not believing...
That the person preaching is better than the non-believers or feels sorry for the non-believers because they don't believe...



Everyone is equal.  We need to respect ourselves, respect our fellow man, and respect our earth before we give respect to some statue who we 'think' died on a piece of wood.  Doesn't the bible tell you not to worship man-made idols?  Well, were you there at the time of christ?  Isn't the bible a tool of a man-made idol IE the cross?  Isn't the figure of your christ on a cross in churches an idol?  Furthermore, how do christians believe so differently amongst themselves...IE..Baptists, Catholics, Etc....... They all condemn each other because they all interpret the bible differently.  It's all very silly to me.  I believe in equality, I belive in peace and justice and love.  I don't believe there is some evil(my definition) person waiting for me at some pearly gates telling me that I lived badly so he can send me to hell.  Too many evil doers, injustices, and just plain nastyness in this would to suggest to me that someone is watching over us. 

Everyone is equal under God and equally sinful and corrupt and need a savior. We who are true worshippers of Jesus Christ do not bow down to statues those are catholics and they are lost! We worship God who is spirit and became flesh anddied for our sins who is omnipotent omnitient omnipresent. The creato of this earth who is existant in his very creation. His Tri unity is even shown in space (time space matter) the atom (celerons nuetrons electrons) and the human body (body soul spirit) We worship the creator who are truly saved. Problem is most are fools and either don't believe in the true God or create a false god to worship! Puppets of satan. So if you don't believe your just like most of the world who is lost and dead in sin and are a fool!

Psalms 14:1 (KJV)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Your blinded by the things of this world so you do have a god. Everyone does they just don't realize they worship a false idol and in essence they are worshipping satan the ruler of this earth. They are like their father the devil rebelling against the creator and Father God by hating his word and abiding in unbelief and its going to end in death.


2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But the beautiful thing is this that even though you are a fool dead in your sin cut off from God by your wicked transgressions of his law as all men are from birth. Even though you are an enemy of God as scriptures saith a child of wrath Christ Jesus still died for you to be reconciled. For whosoever would turn from their sins to God they would be saved! He is drawing all men unto him!

John 12:32 (KJV)
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

This is the gospel friend all have sinned

Romans 3:23 (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

In fact you were born in sin!
Psalm 53 (King James Version)

Psalms 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 53

 1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

 2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

 3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 4Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

 5There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

 6Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

So your so cut off from God in your sin blinded by satan the god of this earth you cannot see the light. Yet God is still drawing you unto him. By his word because

Romans 10:17(KJV)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

For one you must understand that faith is not having hope in a statue or something you can see on this earth to put your trust into or else it is not faith!

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

In order to receive this salvation there must be this faith. This hope for what we cannot see the God who has made all things.

Romans 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

See God wants faith. He wants faithful people. If God were standing in front of everyone doing miracles as he did in the old testament on the mountain with his miracles and extravagant happenings it would be easy to believe. In fact his evidence is all around even from our conscience and so there eally is no excuse to ignore him. I have seen miracles but you don't need a healing miracle to know God is here the miracle of birth is divine proof of God. Even doctors admit every birth is a miracle. It's also an evidence of his creation he creates the child a living soul inside the womb. The bible says people who don't believe are wilfully ignoring God's sings and his warnings just like when Noah built the ark (yes they have found parts of the ark and have proven it's existence and the global flood) Even when God was doing those miracles in the Old Testament days there were still wicked complainers and men who perished from God's wrath because of their wickedness. Prime example is Pharoah who saw the plagues and miracles but his heart was hardened against God! So it's not evidence of God that is going to save you it is knowing God and surrendering to who he is and his will! The reason you and the world denies Christ is because he is HOLY and JUST and they are WICKED and SELFISH! You have a self centered creation rebellion against a sovereign God who gave them their free will to do so.

2 Peter 3:1-6
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

See this is God's word which armies have tried to destroy and yet is till the number 1 seller ever! All men are dawn to it yet many reject it refuse it and to their own destruction corrupt it! Jesus already in his word refuted all these liars and you included. He also made the way for your salvation should you choose to change your mind to turn from your sin to his mecy to his holiness to his sovereignty. Many today who call themselves Christians and I tell you most just as Jesus did he said the way is narrow and few be there that go by it. Because these crooks are trying to get in the back door of heaven or a window or some other way then total submission to God! Some other way then the blood that Jesus Christ shed on the cross which is our atonement. Some other way then the rising again of Jesus Christ on the third day showing he is Lord and that we too can rise from this death that sin brought forth! They will go to hell right along with you and anyone else who turns from God's word and his salvation and lives after satan the prince of this world. Who lives after their own temporary selfish desires! Churchs as well as utter dejectors of religion. You need to be made alive by Christ your dead already friend! You cannot see the light. But thanks be to God (and I am going to let you read this your self!) that if you believe Jesus has come in the flesh to save you from your sins to light up your darkened soul you can and will be saved! John 1 Explains how God became man to light men and as you read through his word by faith(Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.) then he too will seethe light and receive this amazing grace. Once you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you shall be saved! All that call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved!

Romans 5:5-21(KJV)
 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

 12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

But if you do not you are going to pay the consequence of your own sins!

Revelation 20:10-15
 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1-8 (KJV)
 1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

THEY HAVE FOUND HELL! ITS NOT A MYTH FRIEND DON'T DEJECT CHRIST ITS NOT WORTH IT FOR YOUR TEMPORARY SIN!
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