I do NOT believe in god

[queenofnines]

Interestingly enough, the naturalistic atheists/agnostics have claimed that laws of logic do govern reality. However, the problem is when asked how they know that these laws of logic exist or that they are absolute, we get answers like "Supposition" or "I don't know." They claim to have knowledge but won't substantiate it. Do I care whether or not the atheist knows the color of my eyes? No; it doesn't matter because the atheist has made no statement based on the color of my eyes. However, the atheists/agnostics have made statements based on logic. In accordance with that, I would ask them to account for said proposition.

Also interesting is the fact that in the debate that a gal named Lacey recommended we watch, a Christian in the audience also said this.  My reaction was along the lines of, "Seriously?  What an idiot!"  Not saying that you are an idiot, but it is really dumb to taunt, "How do you know logic is true?  Hahaha!"

Um, we know logic is true because our world would be chaos without it.  We wouldn't be able to make sense of anything, get anything done, or survive very long.  You use logic and rationale in your everyday life, in everyday things, and you know it.  You even have thrown terms like "logical fallacy" at me, so what do you mean, you doubt logic?

[queenofnines]

It basically comes across as saying that everyone who isn't an atheist is a moron, which is not only rude and annoying, but pointless to keep repeating

No, I do not think non-atheist = 100% moron.  That would be arrogant and incorrect of me.  However, the part of the brain where they hold these religious beliefs IS immature and faulty.  There are plenty of brilliant people that use logic and rationale in every aspect of their lives except for the god bit.  On the other hand, there are many people who allow the immature and faulty part of their brain to rule the majority of their lives.  These are the people that murder gays, blow up abortion clinics, and fly planes into buildings.  I do not feel wrong at all for referring to that lot as morons.

[queenofnines]

My question is simple: Why? Why can emotion and other subjective influences be admitted?

Because that's like saying, "Judge, forgive me, I murdered my husband because he called me names and didn't put the toilet seat down when he knows I don't like that and wore a shirt I thought was ugly."  Sorry, feelings don't mean sh*t ultimately when it comes to justifying important matters.

May I ask why you are mainly quoting all of my posts?  Your onslaught of messages comes across as uninformed ramblings...

[VyHazelE]

I agree with you.  I also attended church on a regular basis, sang in the church choir and had even made up songs for the church.
Then as a got older I realized "What a minute I see people going out drinking-gambling-molesting-etc and they call themselves a Christian".

Next I started having my daughter's ask me "Mommy why did grandpa or daddy do that and they aren't being punished for what they did wrong?   Mommy, where did God live if he made everything?   Mommy how come our country isn't shown in this Bible?"   So I stated asking the preacher or decon at the church we were attending.  Needless to stay within 3 months my daughter's and I were asked to leave the church and not come back.  When I asked "WHY?"   I was told "You are putting doubt in the minds of the others."   OK so  in other words
because the preacher/decon didn't know the answer to our questions nor wanted to admit they didn't have the answer it was better to dismiss my daughter's and I.

So my theory is simple. Believe in the Spirits that surround you. Believe in yourself and question the things you do not understand.  When you are not sure ask yourself the question and then wait for the answer to come to you.  You will be surprised at what appears before you.

EXAMPLE:  OMG where in the world did I put those keys at?    Then stop and not do anything and see what happens.

Hell is mentioned in my bible

That's because the translators but the word hell where Sheol(hebrew) and Hades(Greek) is supposed to be. As for hellfire the Greek word for that is Gehenna. None of these words have the Greek meaning for hell so essentially if you take out the Greek meaning for hell you get common grave of mankind.

Bait and switch exegesis. The word for Hell has been translated variously dependant on the language in which it was translated into.

[queenofnines]

Edit: Oh btw Queen-- I remember you saying you chose not to have kids. I think you'd be a prime example of why people should have kids with how you practice your logic and rationale. We need more of that in this world if we're ever going to get passed the old superstitions of yesterday. I imagine there's more reasons to it but consider it! For the sake of humanityyyyyyy!

Aww, that's sweet!  And yes, I've thought that myself...that humanity will suffer if scientists/atheists/freethinkers continue to be out-numbered.  Bringing more reality soldiers into the world would be the best reason to have kids.

My reasons for not wanting them are what people label as "selfish"...which is really ironic, because in my opinion, the vast majority of people HAVE kids for selfish reasons (to give their lives "purpose", to have a cute mini-me, to get joy from watching their offspring experience things).  You rarely hear people saying, "Oh, I want to give some of the sperm/eggs I'm carrying around a shot at life" or for the mentioned reason of needing more intelligent genes in the world.

I'm still young, though (b.1985), so maybe my evolutionary maternal instinct will finally kick in in a few years.  

[detorahbatie]

There is a god cause it wouldn't be me or a you......

[Falconer02]

I'm still young, though (b.1985), so maybe my evolutionary maternal instinct will finally kick in in a few years

Yeah I'm '84. We must progress! Idiocracy! We must not allow this to happen!
http://www.spike.com/video/first-10-minutes-of/2811209
(other clips on side)

[queenofnines]

Yeah I'm '84. We must progress! Idiocracy! We must not allow this to happen!
http://www.spike.com/video/first-10-minutes-of/2811209
(other clips on side)

Hey!  I've seen that movie!  I was a Christian then when I first saw it, I believe!  And I can remember agreeing with the intro on the side of the intelligent people...first embers of theistic doubt, anyone? 

Thanks for the refresh!  Have you seen The Invention of Lying?  I highly recommend it.

[queenofnines]

I often like to read my favorite posts on here to my husband (it garners lots of lols), and today he was so inspired by one of you, he personally wrote this response:

Regarding "Stealth3si":  This person's ostentatious efforts at maintaining a pseudo-intellectual veneer is undermined by their frequent lapses into hypocritical quackery.  They start off trying (very hard) to seem fluent in philosophy -- at this point, it seems that they are a solipsistic, nihilistic, anti-empiricist Philosophy 101 student.  And then, suddenly, in a flash of DID, they begin making strange claims to knowledge about Christian ethics, the Bible, and the very mind of god -- all the while providing no support whatsoever.  It's as if their interpretation is the obvious one, and should require no evidence.  Logical terms are thrown about spasmodically in a flailing attempt to justify what it is that they already believe.  The levels of intellectual dishonesty here amazes me -- my brain could not handle such high levels of doublethink.

Some of my favorites:
-"I don't deny "proof" in the traditional sense. I deny "proof" in the Modernist sense. Of course, so did all the greatest secular philosophers of the second half of the 20th century..." (Does he drive a Prius too?)
-"Christians didn't invent God. The credibility of your argument falls as the IPD does not share this commonality with God. Your thinking fails when you debate using a false "given"." (Self-contradiction within the same breath, excellent!)
-"However, such looking is irrelevant when it comes to the existence of God, because He is not a space-time entity." (Hahahaha, no comment necessary!!!)
-"God has not been proven false. The IPD was false before it was invented."  (Intentionally misconstruing the point of the analogy.  Ugh, disgusting.)
-"All this I am doing is asking you to give "proof" for any of your claims." (This person values proof, if I am reading this correctly.)
-"Anyone attempting to put forth any worldview has the burden of proof." (Again, proof.)
-"Christian ethics is not and cannot be based on isolated appeals to scriptural commandments because the bible is not a list of do's and dont's."  (Oh!  Wow, I guess I was just mislead by the hundreds of sects of Christianity that state the exact opposite.  They don't have any evidence for their claims, but I bet you do, since you value proof so much.)
-"The question isn't whether we hold to the Old Testament or not, but rather, which parts are still applicable today." (And there is no criterion to determine which parts still apply and which don't.  The Bible is such a massive, ambiguous, contradictory text that you can simply interpret it however you like.)

I can't go on.  There is no honest search for knowledge here, and no true valuing of proof or evidence.

[jordandog]

@marieelissa:
IF you are going to cite the writings of someone, you really should give them the credit for it. I for one am not 'suddenly braindead', so I know YOU did not write that even though you framed it as if you did. It is simply standard to do so, thanks.

@queenofnines:
Valiant attempt at replying to Stealth3si. Much of what you said was along the lines of my thinking. I have been gone all day and just saw the new postings. I immediately decided it was not worth covering what you already had and truthfully, by the time I read it all, I wasn't sure what point had even been made since every other sentence contradicted the one before it. I am fairly sure your posts will be cited again (yes, that was very blatant, but perhaps a compliment) in lengthy, obtuse, and vague preponderance on his/her part in order to sound superior as far as knowledge. It all reminded me of 'politician-speak'. Use 10,000 words to say what could have been said in 100 and by the time you get done, no one will even know what you said or what your stance is. I heartily agree that God should be able to withstand tough scrutiny from any and all who question his existence. By the way, why IS it always assumed God is male?

[Falconer02]

I just wish you Atheists and Agnostics would stop being so FREAKING rude to people that don't share your opinion. Someone will come on here and say, I believe in God, and it is like you are ready to sit back and try and make fun of them. It is unnessasary and mean. Maybe the reason your so FREAKIN cold and hateful to others is the reality your in, and how you think of life.

Is believing in God really that bad, does it make me and others bad people? Yeah, I understand the past and what happend but that is a sterotype. As in ALL WHITE PEOPLE are responsible for blacks being slaves?!? I am not responsible for what other people do, so my belief in God is just like...

But whatever you believe what you want, do what you want, think of the believers how you choose...whatever helps you sleep at night. I just wish and pray that you people, every single one of you could one day just be a little nicer and not come down so hard on people.

I just wish you would Evolve in a big Giant JUMP and stop being so Mammal in behavior and more HUMAN-LIKE. 

I copied this just incase you delete it.

A.) This is a thread about how people don't believe in god. And uneducated people (unable to be rational and lack of biblical knowledge) come in here all yippy-skippy thinking they can disprove those beliefs with...well...nothing but superstitions and creationist science junk. That is funny. We aren't cold. If you stood on a different side of the fence or saw it from an aerial viewpoint, you would understand. But with your post history, I know that will never happen.

B.) No. Not all whites or their great great grandfathers are slave-makers. But racism still runs rampant and we've got to do away with it. Just like superstitions that control peoples every move and thought.

C.) Humans are mammals. But if you mean we would be less primitive in nature, many religious stories that people will kill themselves over-- they should not be taken seriously and instead just be taken as either outdated myths or good moral stories. This includes massive crowds believing in a personalized god or gods, cloud-heaven, rape-me-in-the-butt hell, talking snake, etc.

[HoboMonkey]

guys, cant we all just have our own beliefs and be satisfied with that, respected the beliefs of other people as well?

[queenofnines]

All I was trying to get across is Einstein believed in God.

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."  -- Albert Einstein in a letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."  -- Letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."  -- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."  -- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being."  -- Albert Einstein in 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray; quoted in: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffmann

Oh yeah marieelissa, and like, Charles Darwin recanted on his deathbed, psh!  

Seriously, do some freaking RESEARCH before you toss around rumors as if they are fact.

** Sources: About.com

[Graeth]

I do believe in God, but I'm questionable about the Bible.
It's supposed to be God's word, but it was still written by man.

[jordandog]

@marielissa:
Walter Isaacson, the author in your link, also got taken to task and laughed at by most literary and scientific critics for using all those (supposed) quotes from Einstein in such a way as to be completely out of context. The author misrepresented Einstein's views by failing to describe exactly what he meant by "religion" ie the mysteries of the Universe itself. Not a theistic God and he certainly did not believe that Jews (his 'people') were the chosen people of God. I'll repeat it, do some research before you put something out there!