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ro901

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2010, 01:33:23 pm »
Here ya go. The end.
http://www.endofworld.net/

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2010, 11:11:00 pm »
ARE THE EARTHQUAKES AND OTHER NATURAL DIASTERS A SIGN THAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END?

No! Here is a quote from the USGS:

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Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2010, 08:13:29 am »
Yes. Believe everything you hear and take appropriate action for the end of the world.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2010, 09:23:42 am »
Of course the world is coming to an end. It's just that we don't know when. Here's a new way of looking at the world now and seems pretty right on to me. Oh yeah...it's not for virgin eyes...are there any virgin eyes here? I don't know what PG means anymore...as soon as your baby can see/hear the TV, he starts to learn about erectile dysfunction and by the time he gets to kindergarten he will be instructed on how to use a condom and has already had to decide whether he's gay or not...I don't think I had any idea what gay meant before I was about 14 years old....but there's not much time left..so kids have to grow up REAL FAST THESE DAYS.....so hey....what's the point of PG?
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/17596

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2010, 10:04:11 am »
Jesse ventura's last conspiracy show was about the government making bunkers 0_0!!!!! The denver airport is way too big something is definitely going on there, oh btw his show WHICH WAS POPULAR, got canceled in 2 months!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still find this very interesting and mysterious. I've done a lot of reading on it. I can't help but wonder what is it that the gov. knows that they are not telling us. There is a WHOLE LOTTA MOOLA in this structure. The whole issue of UFOs is something that needs to be dealt with in an honest and forthright way. I've seen at least 1 fly directly overhead here where I live at 4500 ft elevation. It was so big you could not see the edges of it (this was at night) and it was just above tree level...was very slowly moving for about a minute and then simply vanished! I tried to get on Internet immediately afterward but my satellite signal was not available even though it was a clear night. Our electricity went out for a few seconds as the microwave clock had to be reset. I just wish 'they' would tell us what they know and they obviously know something we don't.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2010, 11:44:11 am »
maybe in 2012 :/

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2010, 12:22:08 pm »
I think it is all a matter of what you belive and how you belive it!!! :)

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2010, 04:46:51 am »
Well from a thermodynamic viewpoint: the whole universe is spiraling towards a complete death as we near maximum entropy.
So yeah, everything will die eventually; no question.

In the words of my favorite news monster, Morbo: GRUESOME DEATH AWAITS US ALL!!

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2010, 05:26:18 pm »
Actually rexyrexerton has his finger on the Truth.  Wildinero and ro901 had good posts also.  There's someone else's posts that were good too, but I forgot who you were.

For those who believe the Bible:  let me say it again.....for those who believe the Bible:

Matthew chapters 24 and 25 talk about the signs pointing to the time of the rapture, AND the signs of the end of the world.  The rapture will take place, and then there will be a 1,000 years of peace where those raptured will rule and reign with Christ on the earth.  The Devil is chained in the bottomless pit for these 1,000 years, after the battle of Armageddon.  This is the battle of the end of the 7 years of Tribulation, where the beast and his minions are destroyed.  The only ones saved after this 7 year Tribulation will be those who would not worship the beast or take his mark (the beast is a man in great power over the world during this time......the antichrist).

After that, there is war with the enemy, as he is released (devil), after the 1,000 years peace, which brings about the demise of the old earth and the old Heaven.  Revelation Chapters 20 and 21 talk about the destruction of the earth and Heaven and what brought it about.  There will be a new Earth and Heaven for the redeemed to enjoy.  The White Throne Judgement also takes place around this time, where all the people that have lived are judged.  Then we take our places in eternity.

 

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2010, 08:03:27 pm »
Actually rexyrexerton has his finger on the Truth.  Wildinero and ro901 had good posts also.  There's someone else's posts that were good too, but I forgot who you were.

For those who believe the Bible:  let me say it again.....for those who believe the Bible:

Matthew chapters 24 and 25 talk about the signs pointing to the time of the rapture, AND the signs of the end of the world.  The rapture will take place, and then there will be a 1,000 years of peace where those raptured will rule and reign with Christ on the earth.  The Devil is chained in the bottomless pit for these 1,000 years, after the battle of Armageddon.  This is the battle of the end of the 7 years of Tribulation, where the beast and his minions are destroyed.  The only ones saved after this 7 year Tribulation will be those who would not worship the beast or take his mark (the beast is a man in great power over the world during this time......the antichrist).

After that, there is war with the enemy, as he is released (devil), after the 1,000 years peace, which brings about the demise of the old earth and the old Heaven.  Revelation Chapters 20 and 21 talk about the destruction of the earth and Heaven and what brought it about.  There will be a new Earth and Heaven for the redeemed to enjoy.  The White Throne Judgement also takes place around this time, where all the people that have lived are judged.  Then we take our places in eternity.


For some of us, Mattthew 24 has already been completed. I simple look at all the pronouns throughout the chapter will demonstrate that the context never changes. In order for that chpater to be about our future, one would need to violate the context principle of interpretation.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2010, 09:40:34 pm »
rwdeese, sometimes scripture will have the past, present and future in the same chapter.  The Word will reveal the Word.  I've studied prophecy, and the end time extensively, and if I've learned one thing.....no one knows everything, but God does reveal His plans to His servants.   

As far as Matthew 24, I see past, present and future.  Because God's thinking and words are not ours (He's not bound by linear time).  His Word speaks at times as though things that have not happened to us, have already to Him.  Example: we are already redeemed, and dancing around the throne.....to Him.  He is not bound by time.  Christ spoke a lot of past, present, and future a lot of the time, all at once.  The book of Revelation is a real good example of this.  The book of Daniel also.

He does tell us what we may expect to face in our lifetime, and what we will face for judgement or eternity.  Are we the rapture generation?  I really don't know.  My Grandma thought she was, but she died in the Lord.  I have a pretty good understanding of what future events hold, but not the exact "when" of them. 

Also, The Bible is broke down in different dispensations.  What is the plan of salvation for us today (dispensation of Grace), will not be applicable after the rapture.

On a more personal note:  You seem to be familiar with what I believe (previous posts), and to have some understanding about UPC doctrine, and our Articles of Faith.  I do understand there are a lot of interpretations of the Word by different denominations, but the Word tells us there is no private interpretation.  God does tell us to study to show ourselves approved, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of God.  I'm very careful what I teach and preach.  I therefore make sure what the Word of God says, and if I don't know, I study it until I do, or I don't teach it.  My #1 message is Jesus Christ died (God in flesh) for our sins to redeem us back to Himself, and the plan of salvation....Acts 2:38.  That right now is the most important teaching for present time.  Prophecy is great to study, but it's only given to us to let us discern the signs of the times to get ourselves ready.

I know there are movements that believe that happenings in the 24th Chapter of Matthew have happened already.  Also, that the rapture has already happened,  Is this you? 

We do not.  You and I have been here before, and like I said before, I have no desire to debate it, because you have a different interpretation of scripture.

However, in the 3rd verse of Matthew 24, the disciples asked Jesus what would be the sign of His coming, and the end of the world?  Then Jesus began to tell them.  It's impossible for some of the things that Jesus talked about, to have happened already.  For one thing, the mention of His coming.  If these things have already happened in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, why isn't the world ended yet? 

Just what is your definition of the "context principle of interpretation"?  Revelation comes from God, the Word never contradicts itself, and I've found that scripture interprets scripture.  The Bible has to be taken as a whole.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2010, 09:51:24 pm »
I don't think so. Science has shown that Earth tends to repair itself. Therefore, all these earthquakes and natural disasters won't really impact the Earth in the long run.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2010, 12:47:05 am »
In my opinion, only God knows when the world is truly coming to an end.

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Re: IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2010, 01:05:44 am »
eaustin92, of course He's the only one who knows, but He gave us signs and writings in His Word to help us understand the seasons of why things are going the way they are.  Nobody here put in a date when the world was going to end. :dontknow:

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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2010, 04:12:54 am »
rwdeese, sometimes scripture will have the past, present and future in the same chapter.

This is true, but it isn't a guessing game. If the Scripture does not say it, then one may be guilty of adding to the word.

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The Word will reveal the Word.  I've studied prophecy, and the end time extensively, and if I've learned one thing.....no one knows everything, but God does reveal His plans to His servants.

The context principle is the most sound principle of hermeneutics.

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As far as Matthew 24, I see past, present and future.  Because God's thinking and words are not ours (He's not bound by linear time).  His Word speaks at times as though things that have not happened to us, have already to Him.  Example: we are already redeemed, and dancing around the throne.....to Him.  He is not bound by time.  Christ spoke a lot of past, present, and future a lot of the time, all at once.  The book of Revelation is a real good example of this.  The book of Daniel also.

1. It is nice that YOU SEE it that way, but the Scriptures nowhere indicate that it as past, present and future.
2. God isn't trying to confuse people. One should never guess at the word.

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He does tell us what we may expect to face in our lifetime, and what we will face for judgement or eternity.  Are we the rapture generation?  I really don't know.  My Grandma thought she was, but she died in the Lord.  I have a pretty good understanding of what future events hold, but not the exact "when" of them.

No He doesn't. All those things have already taken place. They were futrue to the disciples, but not to us. You might want to look carefully at Matthew 24 and ask this question: Who is Jesus speaking disciples or us? The Scripture tells us plainly!

[qutoe]Also, The Bible is broke down in different dispensations.  What is the plan of salvation for us today (dispensation of Grace), will not be applicable after the rapture. [/quote]

Interesting! What passages mentions the "dispensation of grace?"

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On a more personal note:  You seem to be familiar with what I believe (previous posts), and to have some understanding about UPC doctrine, and our Articles of Faith.  I do understand there are a lot of interpretations of the Word by different denominations, but the Word tells us there is no private interpretation.

In some ways this is a little funny - especially the part about "no private interpretation."

This isn't saying what you think it is saying. The verb in verse 20 of 2 Peter 1 is "ginomai" which means "to cause to be, to become, come into being." Peter is merely speaking about the process by which the Scriptures came into being - their origin, not their understanding. In other words, this passage is communicating the idea that the Scriptures did not originate in the mind of any prophet.The apostle Peter is here speaking about the process by which the Scriptures came into being, namely, their origin, and not about the understanding of Scripture already given. Verse 22 confirms this idea by saying prophecy never came by the will of man but through the Holy Spirit.

Yes, I am very familiar with UPC doctrine.

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God does tell us to study to show ourselves approved, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of God.  I'm very careful what I teach and preach.  I therefore make sure what the Word of God says, and if I don't know, I study it until I do, or I don't teach it.  My #1 message is Jesus Christ died (God in flesh) for our sins to redeem us back to Himself, and the plan of salvation....Acts 2:38.  That right now is the most important teaching for present time.  Prophecy is great to study, but it's only given to us to let us discern the signs of the times to get ourselves ready.

It wouldn't matter if all those thing were in our future anyway. Scripture tells us to always be ready.

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I know there are movements that believe that happenings in the 24th Chapter of Matthew have happened already.  Also, that the rapture has already happened,  Is this you? 

Yes... I used to teach what you are teaching, but the more I read the contexts for each passage, the more I realized it was made up. In fact, I have the copy of the second book in history that ever taught the rapture doctrine - cuz it was not taught in the early church - period!

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We do not.  You and I have been here before, and like I said before, I have no desire to debate it, because you have a different interpretation of scripture.

Actually, I know some UPC pastors who do not teach it. If you would like their websites, I can provide them.

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However, in the 3rd verse of Matthew 24, the disciples asked Jesus what would be the sign of His coming, and the end of the world?  Then Jesus began to tell them.  It's impossible for some of the things that Jesus talked about, to have happened already.  For one thing, the mention of His coming.  If these things have already happened in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, why isn't the world ended yet?

Well, if one studies Hebraisms, one will know that the Jews of that day believed that a new world would begin when the Messiah arrived. They believed in two ages - the one they lived in, and the Messianic age. You will discover if you look to the Greek that the word for world can be translated "age". The disciples knew nothing about the "end of the earth." However, they were taught from youth about the "Messianic Age," so they were asking Jesus to tell them when the end of their age would take place. A careful reading of the parallels passages in Mark and Luke confirm this truth. To read into the text a 21st century mindset that says that they were talking about the end of the planet would be foreign to a Jew in that day.
 
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Just what is your definition of the "context principle of interpretation"?  Revelation comes from God, the Word never contradicts itself, and I've found that scripture interprets scripture.  The Bible has to be taken as a whole.

When one reads Scriptures in context they are clear. When one tries to arbitrarily enter other passages into a context without any rhyme or reason, this confuses truth.

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