Dispute in Arizona

[stokeman455]

        Who agrees or disagrees 

[stokeman455]

    I believe in the freedom in America. I think you have to earn citizenship first I cannot condone the border croossings in California, Arizona and Texas. Did the Governor of Arizona do the right thing?  Its causing an issue on racism, employment and the drug problem. Will other states do the same    

[Falconer02]

There's a major crime problem with illegals in AZ. It's spreading into OH. I am for putting a stop to that obviously. But by what means? These laws are a mild form of racial profiling. I work with a hispanic guy and we were discussing this at work today. He suggested that if you have to show proof of citizenship, everyone should have to do it. So why not just put it on everyones license? Have the cop scan it thru the computer. Make them do a little research to see if it's fake?

[hwilliams591]

There's a major crime problem with illegals in AZ. It's spreading into OH. I am for putting a stop to that obviously. But by what means? These laws are a mild form of racial profiling. I work with a hispanic guy and we were discussing this at work today. He suggested that if you have to show proof of citizenship, everyone should have to do it. So why not just put it on everyones license? Have the cop scan it thru the computer. Make them do a little research to see if it's fake?

Everyone is crying and acting like the police is just going to pull over each and every hispanic looking person and ask for proof of citizenship. Racial profiling...LOL

They will only be asked to provide proof IF they act suspicious.

IMO they are taking it too far with the racial profiling and even then if you have the proper ID whats the big deal!

[Falconer02]

They will only be asked to provide proof IF they act suspicious.

Cops are notorious for labelling the littlest and stupidly-bogus things as suspicious which gives them the right to do whatever they want to your name and what you're carrying on yourself or in your car. You should never give them opportunities to put you in a position where they can screw you over-- that's why people are pissed about this.
"Can I search your vehicle?"
"No I really need to get going"
*sniff* *sniff* "I smell marijuana. Please step out of the vehicle"
"That's a hotdog, sir."
"Step out of the vehicle now."

IMO they are taking it too far with the racial profiling and even then if you have the proper ID whats the big deal!

Unnecessary stops/questioning. They're just worried about racial profiling-- I'm german-irish and they probably won't stop me. My friend is hispanic and they'll stop him and give him a hard time-- stressing and scaring him. That's all the legals are worried about which I think is legit. At the same time I think it is a good thing to attempt and see how it goes down. But if a lot of people are being harassed by it and they aren't finding a lot of crime by doing it, it's completely pointless and a lot of people may have had their rights trampelled over in the process.

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

This is going to make a bad situation even worse.  I sure as hades won't be going to Arizona.  Not that I ever had a reason to visit that desolate rock pile anyway.   

[fredlee1]

I think it is a legal way of discrimination.

[VyHazelE]

Will when you go to another country you need a passport.

My viewpoint is:  if you want to be a part of another country then that person needs to abide by that countries by-laws regardless of where it is at.

What annoy's me is I live in Ohio.  I've seen people live 6 in a motel room and work under the counter for cash. 

As a Home Health Aide I seen people living in the same home and collecting welfare. Later I came to find out they were illegal immigrants and were not suppose to be in the home in the first place.

Here I am a 55 year old woman, trying to take college classes to better myself so I can get a job and living on grant money that I have to pay back.  I've been looking for a job for a month now and what job's that are available are being giving to the people who's unemployment is running out the end of their 26 weeks.  Ohio is not extending the unemployment period.  What am I suppose to do when the grant money runs out?  Yet here are people who are not even with legal documentation collecting welfare.  What's wrong with this picture?

[Falconer02]

What annoy's me is I live in Ohio.  I've seen people live 6 in a motel room and work under the counter for cash

Okay here's some broad questions...were they trying to better themselves? Learn engrish? Study things? Assimilate? Or were they just trying to live as they did in Meheeko? I imagine some come to better their lives slowly and as best they can but I do see many not moving up from their 'previous life'. Maybe a few generations from now they'll be just like you and I-- I'm totally fine with that. But if they're breaking this country down slowly through each generation, get them out of here.

What's wrong with this picture?

You're a smart woman who's trying to better herself but can't find a job.

[Graeth]

Totally agree.
I live in AZ, and I totally agree; and yes, I am part of that minority affected and I still agree with it.

[Falconer02]

Do tell, Graeth! I wanna hear your stories!

[hwilliams591]

They will only be asked to provide proof IF they act suspicious.

Cops are notorious for labelling the littlest and stupidly-bogus things as suspicious which gives them the right to do whatever they want to your name and what you're carrying on yourself or in your car. You should never give them opportunities to put you in a position where they can screw you over-- that's why people are pissed about this.
"Can I search your vehicle?"
"No I really need to get going"
*sniff* *sniff* "I smell marijuana. Please step out of the vehicle"
"That's a hotdog, sir."
"Step out of the vehicle now."

IMO they are taking it too far with the racial profiling and even then if you have the proper ID whats the big deal!

Unnecessary stops/questioning. They're just worried about racial profiling-- I'm german-irish and they probably won't stop me. My friend is hispanic and they'll stop him and give him a hard time-- stressing and scaring him. That's all the legals are worried about which I think is legit. At the same time I think it is a good thing to attempt and see how it goes down. But if a lot of people are being harassed by it and they aren't finding a lot of crime by doing it, it's completely pointless and a lot of people may have had their rights trampelled over in the process.

You assumptions are exacty what they are crying about...and are just that ASSUMPTIONS.

I'm sure there will be a case here and there of it but so what, have the proper credentials and move on with your life.

It is real fun to be around Mexicans that can't stand illegals and then when something is done they are crying big time about it.
Racial Profiling...LOL Welcome to the club if it happens. Been there done that and is not a everyday thing or even a huge issue.

[hwilliams591]

This is already shown good as many illegals are leaving.

It is not hard to become a citizen and if that is not part of their "bettering themselves" then they should not be here.

There is more racial profiling from the people that are against this then there ever will be from the police or any other law enforcement agency.

I think it is a good thing and will help out the state tremdously.

I just can't see how these poeple that are against it can't see there are more good things from this then bad. Worst case they ask a few for ID...

[Falconer02]

You assumptions are exacty what they are crying about...and are just that ASSUMPTIONS

I know it's fallible to believe since A happened that B will happen too...but they're cops. It's their job to assume too much.

It is not hard to become a citizen and if that is not part of their "bettering themselves" then they should not be here.

If it wasn't hard, there would be no illegals. The civ centers are so backed up too that it takes forever for one person to be processed.

I think it is a good thing and will help out the state tremdously.

Don't forget I said this-- I do too. I'm just skeptical at the same time for reasons I've already stated.

Worst case they ask a few for ID...

Far from. Cops have charismatic tactics that can make yourself look like a criminal. This happens all the time to people.
"Where were you when Bill was found dead?"
"Oh yeah I heard about that. I was at home watching tv. Do you think I killed Bill or something?"
"Who said anything about KILLING anyone, huh? You seem SUSPICIOUS!"
This is why people are told to only answer yes or no questions or just shutup around cops. People get nervous and incriminate themselves. And if they can't speak english very decently, it may be a lot easier to do so even if they are a civilian. This leads to a snowball-effect of unnecessary problems. IDs can be fake too.

[hwilliams591]

You assumptions are exacty what they are crying about...and are just that ASSUMPTIONS

I know it's fallible to believe since A happened that B will happen too...but they're cops. It's their job to assume too much.

It is not hard to become a citizen and if that is not part of their "bettering themselves" then they should not be here.

If it wasn't hard, there would be no illegals. The civ centers are so backed up too that it takes forever for one person to be processed.

I think it is a good thing and will help out the state tremdously.

Don't forget I said this-- I do too. I'm just skeptical at the same time for reasons I've already stated.

Worst case they ask a few for ID...

Far from. Cops have charismatic tactics that can make yourself look like a criminal. This happens all the time to people.
"Where were you when Bill was found dead?"
"Oh yeah I heard about that. I was at home watching tv. Do you think I killed Bill or something?"
"Who said anything about KILLING anyone, huh? You seem SUSPICIOUS!"
This is why people are told to only answer yes or no questions or just shutup around cops. People get nervous and incriminate themselves. And if they can't speak english very decently, it may be a lot easier to do so even if they are a civilian. This leads to a snowball-effect of unnecessary problems. IDs can be fake too.

As I said you are assuming way too much just like many that are against this law. You examples are silly and are exactly what those with little commonsense will argue. Anyone with alittle commonsense can see all the holes in your silly examples.

It is not hard to become a citizen.
Not all cops are as you are "PROFILING" them to be!
Fakes ID's is just as silly as all your other examples.