Dispute in Arizona

[stokeman455]

      Boy oh Boy did I -iss-off the Hornets in this nest! When I post a new topic most of the time, all HELL breaks loose. Well I asked for your guys opinions  WOW THANKX

[Falconer02]

As I said you are assuming way too much just like many that are against this law. You examples are silly and are exactly what those with little commonsense will argue. Anyone with alittle commonsense can see all the holes in your silly examples.

Such as? Explain yourself before you go into petty personal attacks. It makes you look mean, naive, and ignorant of all views but your own. Example?

It is not hard to become a citizen.
Not all cops are as you are "PROFILING" them to be!
Fakes ID's is just as silly as all your other examples.

Thanks for the proof.

Edit: 666TH POST! OMG!

[hwilliams591]

As I said you are assuming way too much just like many that are against this law. You examples are silly and are exactly what those with little commonsense will argue. Anyone with alittle commonsense can see all the holes in your silly examples.

Such as? Explain yourself before you go into petty personal attacks. It makes you look mean, naive, and ignorant of all views but your own. Example?

It is not hard to become a citizen.
Not all cops are as you are "PROFILING" them to be!
Fakes ID's is just as silly as all your other examples.

Thanks for the proof.

Edit: 666TH POST! OMG!

I know quite a few that have become us citizens, I have worked at a few immagration facilities.

And yes you little examples are silly and way off from what any competent LEO would do.
 
As I have also said there is NO reason that makes any sense that this law is bad. Racial Profiling is an assumption from people that have nothing better to do....need some attention.

If you are not against it then why do you spat the same nonsense of those that are against it?

Think about it there are races that have been racial profiled all their life and you know what we just deal with it.

[Falconer02]

Sounds like you have some stories to share! Please do! I'M INTERESTED!   

If you are not against it then why do you spat the same nonsense of those that are against it?

I'm hearing it from both sides. Just trying to get a whole map of the situation. Your opinion counts, so type away if you want.

[bschumacher]

Actually, it is. It can take up to a decade for a Mexican to be admitted to the U.S. as a Permanent Resident. After that, he must wait for 5 years to apply for citizenship. I learned this in a class on immigration law.

[walksalone11]

First Nations United
3044 Longfellow Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55407
www.firstnationsuni ted.com <http://www.firstnat ionsunited. com>
<http://www.firstnat ionsunited. com/>

PRESS RELEASE

April 26, 2010

“While the power of the Europeans has continued, I see the other part of
the Ghost Dance prophecy coming true today. So-called ‘Hispanics,’ with
faces that sure look like Indians to me, are returning to repopulate North
America. We cannot always speak to each other because we have learned the
languages of different colonial powers. But these Indians have as much
right to come and go on our land as the geese when they migrate north and
south. No one would dare to ask them for their passports and visas as they
cross manmade borders.

Instead of seeing ‘Hispanics’ as outsiders who do not belong here, we need
to start seeing them as ancestors of the original inhabitants of these
lands. They are the living fulfillment of the Ghost Dance prophecy.”

-Chief Billy Redwing Tayac, Piscataway Nation

First Nations United, an Indigenous organization largely made up of
members of the Red Lake/Ojibwe Nation and the Dakota/Crow Creek Nation,
would like to formally express its outrage and disagreement with the SB
1070 (“Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods” ) Bill passed
last week by the state of Arizona. This bill is extremely detrimental to
the indigenous communities (including indigenous peoples of Latin American
origin), which reside in the state of Arizona as well as those who live
throughout the country. The language of the bill states that if there is
"reasonable suspicion" that a person is an illegal immigrant, a
"reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable" to check for
documents. Such language purposefully promotes the racial profiling of
brown-skinned people, and in particular, of people of American indigenous
background. As an indigenous organization, which stands for the civil and
human rights of indigenous peoples throughout the continent, we are
concerned that this bill will promote the unfair and discriminatory
arrests, prosecution, and deportation of people of American indigenous
descent—not only of those who belong to federally recognized tribes, but
also of the hundreds of thousands of indigenous people who have migrated
from South/Central America and Mexico to what is now called “the United
States.” Indigenous peoples across the continent do not recognize the
borders established by the settler colonialist state on our lands, and, we
do not agree with the malicious and dehumanizing way in which the settler
colonialist government wants to enforce them.

As an Indigenous organization, we recognize that indigenous peoples from
Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as
they please and as they have done through trade and communication routes
since time immemorial. The native peoples of the continent should be the
ones establishing immigration laws and enforcing them. However, because we
were disempowered through genocide and colonization, and because we have
consistently treated “foreigners” in a more humane and hospitable way, we
respect peoples’ rights to migrate. If we did enforce such power, only
tribal identifications from throughout the continent (including
documentation identifying peoples from Latin American indigenous ancestry)
would be recognized as legitimate, and we could very well racially profile
people of Caucasian descent as the true and eternal foreigners.

As the first peoples of this continent, we pose this question to Governor
Brewer, Senator Russell Pearce, and law enforcement in the state of
Arizona, “Who are you to check for documents?” We remind them that the
power they have taken to legislate was established by an immigrant and
illegal settler colonialist government, which has consistently relied on
the genocide and mistreatment of the original peoples of this continent.

First Nations United greatly objects to SB 1070 and denounces Governor
Brewer, Senator Pearce, and the State of Arizona as anti-Indigenous,
cruel, and racist. We call for an Indigenous boycott of the State of
Arizona until this bill is repealed or found unconstitutional as it will
gravely violate the civil and human rights of indigenous people in the
state and throughout the country.

FIRST NATIONS UNITED

--
Gabriela Spears-Rico
Doctoral Candidate
Dep't of Comparative Ethnic Studies
University of California, Berkeley
506 Barrows Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 643-0796 [Tel]
(510) 642-6456 [Fax]

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

First Nations United
3044 Longfellow Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55407
www.firstnationsuni ted.com <http://www.firstnat ionsunited. com>
<http://www.firstnat ionsunited. com/>

PRESS RELEASE

April 26, 2010

“While the power of the Europeans has continued, I see the other part of
the Ghost Dance prophecy coming true today. So-called ‘Hispanics,’ with
faces that sure look like Indians to me, are returning to repopulate North
America. We cannot always speak to each other because we have learned the
languages of different colonial powers. But these Indians have as much
right to come and go on our land as the geese when they migrate north and
south. No one would dare to ask them for their passports and visas as they
cross manmade borders.

Instead of seeing ‘Hispanics’ as outsiders who do not belong here, we need
to start seeing them as ancestors of the original inhabitants of these
lands. They are the living fulfillment of the Ghost Dance prophecy.”

-Chief Billy Redwing Tayac, Piscataway Nation

First Nations United, an Indigenous organization largely made up of
members of the Red Lake/Ojibwe Nation and the Dakota/Crow Creek Nation,
would like to formally express its outrage and disagreement with the SB
1070 (“Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods” ) Bill passed
last week by the state of Arizona. This bill is extremely detrimental to
the indigenous communities (including indigenous peoples of Latin American
origin), which reside in the state of Arizona as well as those who live
throughout the country. The language of the bill states that if there is
"reasonable suspicion" that a person is an illegal immigrant, a
"reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable" to check for
documents. Such language purposefully promotes the racial profiling of
brown-skinned people, and in particular, of people of American indigenous
background. As an indigenous organization, which stands for the civil and
human rights of indigenous peoples throughout the continent, we are
concerned that this bill will promote the unfair and discriminatory
arrests, prosecution, and deportation of people of American indigenous
descent—not only of those who belong to federally recognized tribes, but
also of the hundreds of thousands of indigenous people who have migrated
from South/Central America and Mexico to what is now called “the United
States.” Indigenous peoples across the continent do not recognize the
borders established by the settler colonialist state on our lands, and, we
do not agree with the malicious and dehumanizing way in which the settler
colonialist government wants to enforce them.

As an Indigenous organization, we recognize that indigenous peoples from
Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as
they please and as they have done through trade and communication routes
since time immemorial. The native peoples of the continent should be the
ones establishing immigration laws and enforcing them. However, because we
were disempowered through genocide and colonization, and because we have
consistently treated “foreigners” in a more humane and hospitable way, we
respect peoples’ rights to migrate. If we did enforce such power, only
tribal identifications from throughout the continent (including
documentation identifying peoples from Latin American indigenous ancestry)
would be recognized as legitimate, and we could very well racially profile
people of Caucasian descent as the true and eternal foreigners.

As the first peoples of this continent, we pose this question to Governor
Brewer, Senator Russell Pearce, and law enforcement in the state of
Arizona, “Who are you to check for documents?” We remind them that the
power they have taken to legislate was established by an immigrant and
illegal settler colonialist government, which has consistently relied on
the genocide and mistreatment of the original peoples of this continent.

First Nations United greatly objects to SB 1070 and denounces Governor
Brewer, Senator Pearce, and the State of Arizona as anti-Indigenous,
cruel, and racist. We call for an Indigenous boycott of the State of
Arizona until this bill is repealed or found unconstitutional as it will
gravely violate the civil and human rights of indigenous people in the
state and throughout the country.

FIRST NATIONS UNITED

--
Gabriela Spears-Rico
Doctoral Candidate
Dep't of Comparative Ethnic Studies
University of California, Berkeley
506 Barrows Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510) 643-0796 [Tel]
(510) 642-6456 [Fax]

This fascinates me...  I must do research.  Thank you for posting.

[jordandog]

I fail to see any correlation between illegals invading from Mexico and the plight of indigenous American Indians. Perhaps First Nations United would like to pay for all the services and tax dollars spent in states with huge numbers of illegals crossing their borders? I completely disagree with this from that statement:
"we recognize that indigenous peoples from Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as they please "
No, they do not. Not anymore than I have every right to migrate into other countries without a passport and documentation. It is a very noble sounding declaration, but not one that I feel holds up in this situation.

[walksalone11]

I fail to see any correlation between illegals invading from Mexico and the plight of indigenous American Indians. Perhaps First Nations United would like to pay for all the services and tax dollars spent in states with huge numbers of illegals crossing their borders? I completely disagree with this from that statement:
"we recognize that indigenous peoples from Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as they please "
No, they do not. Not anymore than I have every right to migrate into other countries without a passport and documentation. It is a very noble sounding declaration, but not one that I feel holds up in this situation.

By : Russell Means
In answer to today’s United States Government and its Colonial Corporation, the Oglala Sioux Tribal Govenment’s press conference:
“We the Lakotah People, do not want our massacred dead bodies of Men, Women and Children at the mass grave at Wounded Knee used for publicity by the United States Government nor their colonial corporation, the Oglala Sioux Tribal Government.”

On May 1, 2010, two young men, the Camp brothers counted coup on the first 7th Cavalry helicopter and Debbie White Plume, an elder and grandmother who charged the second helicopter preventing it from landing. By running under the blades and touching them without harming the enemy and getting away is how the Lakotah counted coup on this eventful day.

May 2, 2010 at 9:35am
Dakota.
To the Original Peoples of the Fourth World and all International Press Services:

At high noon today US Army helicopters of the US Seventh Cavalry air division attempted to land their Blackhawk aircraft upon Lakota Sacred Burial grounds in South Dakota. The presence of military aircraft from this unit is a sad and insulting reminder of the slaughter of more than 300 American Aboriginals on December 29, 1890 when soldiers of the US 7th Cavalry gunned down more than 300 Aboriginal Minneconjou Lakota refugee children, women, infants and the elderly at what is now called Wounded Knee in South Dakota Indian Country. The military then left the bodies of their victims to decay unburied in the driving snow.

According to reports from Indigenous Rights Movement Radio host Wanblee this afternoon, Lakota resident Theresa TwoBulls was given less than 24 hrs notice that three US Army 7th Cavalry helicopters would make a landing on the sacred burial grounds at Wounded Knee. As of this writing, the US military was confronted by angry but peaceful and steadfast community resistance as the Aboriginal people of the area have so far, according to reports from Lakota people on the ground, managed to prevent the aircraft from touching Indigenous ground.

For all American Aboriginals of the Americas, this is a sacred area. This is the place where the promise of a people died while fleeing from a genocidal US military unit hell-bent on liquidating the continent of its Indigenous population. There has never been any official apology offered for this massacre and the military awards bestowed upon the genocidal aggressors involved in this conflict still stand, as does a physical monument in honour of the US Army killed during Custer’s “last stand” against a defiant and united Indigenous resistance to their own demise.

The history of the US Army 7th Cavalry is important to understanding the level of violence used against Indigenous peoples. It is important to remember that after the US Seventh Cavalry officially ended the “Indian Wars” at home, they were then dispatched to do battle against Indigenous Filipinos struggling to maintain their hard-won national independence from the colonialist Spanish. In other words, the US War Department sent this very same unit to do overseas what was done here to the Indigenous peoples of the Americas. In this historical light, it is only logical for Indigenous peoples to assume that the Obama administration is attempting to make a political point out of this spectacle. Only, what sort of message are you sending by insulting and humiliating a people already suffering from five centuries of continuous pro-Europocentric, anti-Indigenous genocide?

This domestic military action is a deliberate insult and an obvious message of ongoing colonialism, state-sponsored racism and apathetic Indigenous genocide to all Indigenous peoples across the Fourth World; to the whole of the Lakota/Dakota Nation; and to the Indigenous residents of Pine Ridge and Wounded Knee. The symbolism of dispatching the Seventh Cavalry to Wounded Knee in an attempt to land weapons of mass destruction on Aboriginal sacred ground tells us how little this government, and this particular administration, respects the people of Indian Country and our significant historical perspective as survivors of the racist Euro-settler xenophobic purges waged against the Indian in the Americas.

To make matters worse, this action comes on the heels of newly-passed legislation in Arizona state that requires law officers to racially-profile anyone they believe “looks”, “sounds” or “dresses” like an illegal immigrant, a thinly veiled “race law” that directly effects both our Indigenous sisters and brothers native to Occupied Mexico as well as the Native American population of Arizona in the United States. Given that most Indigenous peoples of the Americas share the same general physiotype and more often than not, similar Spanish last names, the passage of this guideline will without a doubt lead to widespread abuses against that state’s brown-skinned population. The legal door now opened, Texas and other states led by neo-confederate constituencies are moving to pass their own anti-immigrant/anti-Indigenous directives that will broadly effect anyone and everyone who could be perceived by the colonial European majority as a “foreign invader”.

The Obama administration has shown America and the world that they are no different than any other previous US government in their view that the American Indian on both sides of the US border is nothing more than a prop or a tool to be displayed only when it is useful to promote the “contemporary” 21st century neo-colonialist capitalist agenda. The Obama administration, an office headed by a man of African descent, has shamed itself and all those who have supported his candidacy in arrogantly dismissing the memory of our people interred at Wounded Knee by rubbing the military might of the historically anti-Indigenous 7th Cavalry in our faces by forcibly entering Indian Country in an attempt to land their machines of war on top of the bodies of our ancestral dead.

Clearly, the culture war against the American Indian is not over. Welcome to the new American century.

Pass this on We must get the word out…..Let everyone know..Contact the your local media….Tell them the the Local Media in (Rapid City, SD) haven’t even mentioned this in the news…So typical for rapid city SD media…and if they did post it, it would not be the truth..I tried to contact the Rapid City Urinal….LOL. They wont return my calls or post any of the comments I have made in defense of our people.
James ( Magaska) Swan AIM Black Hills South Dakota

[jordandog]

I fail to see how your above post answers mine in respect to my disagreement with the statement "we recognize that indigenous peoples from Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as they please ". I say that because you quoted me and then put your post down. I don't see anything that has to do with my statement and I stand by what I said.

[walksalone11]

I fail to see how your above post answers mine in respect to my disagreement with the statement "we recognize that indigenous peoples from Latin America have every right to migrate up and down the continent as they please ". I say that because you quoted me and then put your post down. I don't see anything that has to do with my statement and I stand by what I said.

If you actually read my reply, and still don't comprehend how Arizonas bill relates to Indians in north of the supposed border, then it is beyond hope that I could make you understand.

If you didn't read my reply then you simply don't have a desire to understand nor entertain an opposing view and therefor, again...hopeless.

Next?

[hwilliams591]

The answer to why they are against this bill/law is they are attention wanting whores...plan and simple. Or they are just sheep that can't think on their own and want to jump on the first banwagon they see as they don't have the commonsense to determin what good this will do for the state or Az.

It is obvious when they are ignorantly boycotting something that has nothing to do with Az and when you have attention seeking whores like Al Sharpen leading the way.

They *bleep* and *bleep* but when something takes effect they still have to *bleep*.

It is turning into a money thing with alot of the corporations backing the ban.

[JHNSONLEEANN]

There is a problem with illegals everywhere.  I live in California and when I worked at Carls Jr, 80percent of the employees where illegals.

[showbert22]

I've lived in Arizona since 1963. Second generation on my mother's side an My fathers family is traceable to before 1800I read and write English, Spanish And French. When I go to Mexico I pass as a light skinned Mexican. I know several Mexicans with red hair, green eyes, skin lighter than mine and more freckles than face. I know a lot of full blooded Americans with skin darker than mine. Does that make them Illegal?. A good friend of mine from the San Carlos Apache Tribe was stopped the other week and asked for his 'papers'. by some white boy with less brains than bullets. I don't drink, I don't drive, I don't use tobacco. I don't pack ID unless I'm going to the bank and then its a card with my picture and date of birth that I opened my account with. I'm just waiting for some idiot to stop me walking down the street and demand Id. He's gonna get 1) a hard time, 2) an earful and 3)a lawsuit. I'M AN AMERICAN.

[fritzgerald]

I agree