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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2010, 09:45:47 am »
This is my opionion, since you asked, I don't hate anyone, however I strongly believe in marriage, and what it stands for. I don't believe in same sex marriages, This is my opionion. I respect yours, just like you would respect mine.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2010, 10:50:14 am »
I am a Christian and not gay. I do believe being gay is wrong. Just like lying, cheating, stealing, etc are wrong. Since everyone has lied, cheated, stole, etc, everyone needs Jesus. Being gay is no worse than anyone of these other things. We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2010, 09:40:01 pm »
I am a Christian and not gay. I do believe being gay is wrong. Just like lying, cheating, stealing, etc are wrong. Since everyone has lied, cheated, stole, etc, everyone needs Jesus. Being gay is no worse than anyone of these other things. We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.
This is just stupid. Comparing gay people to thieves and murderers??? Seriously??? People don't choose to be gay, people do however choose to cheat, steal, lie and murder. This is just ludicrous.

On another note...what kind of religion are you practicing? Because from what you posted it seems that I can go out and murder anyone I want, steal anything I want and so on and so forth and be able to stroll up to heaven and walk right in. As long as I accept this "Jesus." Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this ALONG with comparing a person's sexual orientation with illegal wrong acts.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2010, 10:13:15 pm »
I am not gay but my sister is, so I definitelly don't think there is anything wrong with that!

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2010, 11:34:13 pm »
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This is my opionion, since you asked, I don't hate anyone, however I strongly believe in marriage, and what it stands for. I don't believe in same sex marriages, This is my opionion. I respect yours, just like you would respect mine.

Hey that's cool. What is the basis of the opinion though? What sparked this train of thought for you? Just curious.

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I am a Christian and not gay. I do believe being gay is wrong. Just like lying, cheating, stealing, etc are wrong. Since everyone has lied, cheated, stole, etc, everyone needs Jesus. Being gay is no worse than anyone of these other things.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely horrendous moronic reasoning. You are either a very hateful person or a very naive person. Sadly both tie well with christians so I can't tell if it's 1 or both.

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We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.

Well apparently you are naive! We got that one down. Let me ask you this well-known question--
6 million Jews died horrible torturous deaths at the hands of the Nazis. They didn't accept Jesus due to their beliefs. Therefore they went to hell.
1 evil man shot himself that caused those 6 million deaths. If he accepted Jesus before he shot himself, does he get to go to heaven?

This is just incredibly evil to think this is legit love-filled reasoning. You really need to sit down and gather your thoughts on the subject and get some facts in that closed-off mind of yours. Putting a nice gay dude on par with a cold-blooded murderer? Yeesh.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 04:05:18 am »
to gogo

That's good but I just don't understand why some people feel that it's wrong

I have always believed that life is tough enough, sooooo just be who you are do not need all the negative crap that goes around and around Love is Love with whoever be thankful that you have found someone to share life with it is no fun cooking for one

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2010, 08:14:05 am »
I am a Christian and not gay. I do believe being gay is wrong. Just like lying, cheating, stealing, etc are wrong. Since everyone has lied, cheated, stole, etc, everyone needs Jesus. Being gay is no worse than anyone of these other things. We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.
This is just stupid. Comparing gay people to thieves and murderers??? Seriously??? People don't choose to be gay, people do however choose to cheat, steal, lie and murder. This is just ludicrous.

On another note...what kind of religion are you practicing? Because from what you posted it seems that I can go out and murder anyone I want, steal anything I want and so on and so forth and be able to stroll up to heaven and walk right in. As long as I accept this "Jesus." Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this ALONG with comparing a person's sexual orientation with illegal wrong acts.

Well the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)
 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

So according to the Bible homosexuality is a sin. But everyone sins.
Romans 3:23 (New International Version)
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

But the good news is that all our sins can be cleansed by Jesus:
John 3:16 (New International Version)
 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

But we have to be sincere in our belief. We can't just "believe" so we don't go to hell.
Romans 10:9 (New International Version)
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is regular Evangelical Christianity. I know there are a lot of idiots out there who use the Bible as an excuse to hate homosexuals, but they are just that, idiots.
The bottom line is that people are sinners and they need Jesus. Even if you are right and homosexuality is not a sin, they still need Jesus for their sins.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2010, 08:25:03 am »
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We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.

Well apparently you are naive! We got that one down. Let me ask you this well-known question--
6 million Jews died horrible torturous deaths at the hands of the Nazis. They didn't accept Jesus due to their beliefs. Therefore they went to hell.
1 evil man shot himself that caused those 6 million deaths. If he accepted Jesus before he shot himself, does he get to go to heaven?

This is just incredibly evil to think this is legit love-filled reasoning. You really need to sit down and gather your thoughts on the subject and get some facts in that closed-off mind of yours. Putting a nice gay dude on par with a cold-blooded murderer? Yeesh.
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The Bible puts everyone on par with each other.
Romans 3:23 (New International Version)
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

 I am on par with a cold-blooded murderer. That is why I accepted Jesus. Because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice to clear EVERYONE who accepts him of their sins.
Romans 10:9 (New International Version)
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Jesus doesn't care what you have done or are doing, he loves everyone equally, and gives everyone the opportunity to accept him and love him back.

If a murderer accepts Jesus and continues to murder, the question has to be asked whether he really believed it in his heart. I would say no he didn't, and he is still going to hell.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 08:29:56 am by txsnb3 »

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2010, 10:12:34 am »
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Well the Bible says:

This is your problem right here. You lack the power to think for yourself. Don't let an enslaved philosophy esnare your free will by guilt tripping you into believing you can point out who's bad and who's good including yourself.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
- Oscar Wilde

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I am on par with a cold-blooded murderer. That is why I accepted Jesus. Because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice to clear EVERYONE who accepts him of their sins.

To say such a thing is an unnecessary burden and you're living with something that makes no sense. You aren't on par with a murderer.  You need to realize what you're saying.
-A murderer chooses to kill someone whereas homosexuality isn't a choice. In your terms, god made them that way. If it's a sin to be homosexual, god is evil for that installation. God would also be evil to say that this is a test-- to abstain from a natural attraction.
-Sometimes it is inevitable to fall into a lie. Lies can be beneficial to society despite it being naturally wrong. Take for instance the cop who arrests the violent armed drunk. He forgets to read him his rights before he subdues him. By our laws, the drunk has a free-ticket out of jail. If the cop lies and says he did read them, the man goes to prison and society is away with one less problem. Homosexuality can be beneficial to society (as I stated in an earlier post) despite it being wrong due to old outdated laws in little black books. Referring to your leviticus quotation--

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"Even if a biblical narrative is deemed historically true , can we base our ethics on such narratives and their moral injunctions? Fundamentalists frequently use the codes of sexual ethics from Leviticus and Deuteronomy as a club with which to beat others. Since these codes include prohibitions against adultry(Lev.18:20, 20:10;Deut.22:22), incest(Lev.18:6-18, 20:11, 12, 14, 17, 19-21; Deut22:30), rape(Deut22:25), prostitution(Deut. 23:17), and bestiality(Lev.18:23, 20:15,16), the codes seem to relate to acts universally condemned by all societies, which gives them a certain validity. Of course, the main prohibition stressed by fundamentalists is that against homosexuality(Lev. 18:22, 20:13).Assuming that the penalties are moderated a bit(most of these offenses carried the death penalty)many people might be swayed by their seeming reasonableness.

  However, this same code also prohibits a couple from having sex during the wife's menstrual period(Lev.18:19, 20:18), with the penalty that the offenders will be "cut off from among their people." The Hebrew word translated as "cut off" is karath, which also means to destroy. Thus, a couple having sexual relations during the wife's menstrual period would be put to death if the act was discovered. Most of us would consider our decision as to whether to have sex with our wives during menstruationto be our own business. In fact, the prohibition against sex during menstruation has to do with another Levitical code, that of ritual impurity. Leviticus 15:19-30 goes into great detail about how a woman is unclean during her period, how anything she touches becomes unclean, how anyone who touches her or any thing she has touched is unclean for a day and must bathe to be cleansed, and how at the end of her period she is to offer two pigeons or doves to be sacrificed, one as a sin offering, so that the priest can "make atonement for her before the Lord for her unclean discharge"(Lev.15:30).

Most of us today do not see menstruation as a sin or consider this quite natural funtion either unclean or a "sickness"(see Lev.20:18). I wonder if those state legislators who quoted Leviticus while fighting against the passage of California's law legalizing all private, voluntary sexual behavior between consenting adults(1972) kept their wives locked in menstrual huts during their periods, or if any fundamentalist congregations still ask a sacrifice of pigeons for the "sin" of menstruation.
  
   That the Levitical sexual prohibitions were based on a psychology far different from our own can be seen not only in the exaggerated fear of menstrual blood, but in a verse just preceeding the list of penalties for sexual offences. Leviticus 20:9 says:
For every one who curses his father or his mother shall be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his blood is upon him.

  Are we to read this to mean that if, in a fit of rage, your teenage son or daughter yells, "GD you!" it's curtains for them? To understand the harshness of this penalty we must remember that in ancient times words were thought to have power. To curse someone was to literally call down a supernatural force on the cursed, hence the injuction in the Ten Commandments not to take the Lord's name in vain. Cursing one's parents was tantamount to physically assaulting them. The prohibition against swearing is based on magical thinking has not blunted its force among some believers.

  A fundamentalist, however, might say that even though we today do not indulge in either sacrificing pigeons, putting women in menstrual huts, or stoning people to death for sexual offences, he and his wife do not have sex during her period and that he believes sexual relations condemned in the Levitical and Deuteronomic codes should be against the law.This would not only make homosexuality illegal but transvestitism (Deut22:5)and heterosexual premarital sex (Deut22:20, 21, 23, 24)as well.Is the fundamentalist justified in thinking that this view is consistent with what he considers the word of God? Not unless he is prepared to make it against the law to wear wool and linen(or any other two cloths) at the same time, since this is prohibited in Lev.19:19 and Deut.22:11. This is part of a series of prohibitions against mingling, and thus "contaminating" just about any thing> Deuteronomy 22:9 prohibits planting different seeds in the same orchard, and Deut.22:10 prohibits plowing with an *bleep* and an ox yoked together. (This last practice sounds a bit unworkable in any case.)

I stole this from a christian website a while back. Sorry about the length of it. Anyways, if there is any reasonable qualities to you, you must admit that some of these laws are ridiculously outdated and should be disregarded despite them being in your holy text. If you do any basic research that is not within your bible, you will see that homosexuality isn't a sinful existance. It may be odd due to hetero standards, but it isn't bad.

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I would say no he didn't, and he is still going to hell.

What if he did? All of those innocent jews go to hell and the person who killed them goes to heaven? This is indescribable evil and I would think believing in such a god is --without a shred of doubt-- wrong.
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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2010, 10:54:08 am »
im not gay....hey do whatever make u happy. gay men or women dont bother me

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2010, 12:28:16 am »
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If you do any basic research that is not within your bible, you will see that homosexuality isn't a sinful existance.

What basic research is there to do to prove or disprove whether something is sinful or not?

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2010, 12:40:47 am »
I look to the Bible for ultimate truth. You look to society for it. Why does that make me naïve or close-minded? If you call me ignorant for listening to the Bible, I call you ignorant for listening to society.

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2010, 01:11:02 am »
I am a Christian and not gay. I do believe being gay is wrong. Just like lying, cheating, stealing, etc are wrong. Since everyone has lied, cheated, stole, etc, everyone needs Jesus. Being gay is no worse than anyone of these other things. We have to love everyone for being God's creation because everyone does things that are wrong. Just because people do wrong things doesn't mean they are going to hell. The ONLY way to heaven is through Jesus. There will be liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, and gays in heaven. All they have to do is accept Jesus.
This is just stupid. Comparing gay people to thieves and murderers??? Seriously??? People don't choose to be gay, people do however choose to cheat, steal, lie and murder. This is just ludicrous.

On another note...what kind of religion are you practicing? Because from what you posted it seems that I can go out and murder anyone I want, steal anything I want and so on and so forth and be able to stroll up to heaven and walk right in. As long as I accept this "Jesus." Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this ALONG with comparing a person's sexual orientation with illegal wrong acts.

Well the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)
 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

So according to the Bible homosexuality is a sin. But everyone sins.
Romans 3:23 (New International Version)
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

But the good news is that all our sins can be cleansed by Jesus:
John 3:16 (New International Version)
 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

But we have to be sincere in our belief. We can't just "believe" so we don't go to hell.
Romans 10:9 (New International Version)
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is regular Evangelical Christianity. I know there are a lot of idiots out there who use the Bible as an excuse to hate homosexuals, but they are just that, idiots.
The bottom line is that people are sinners and they need Jesus. Even if you are right and homosexuality is not a sin, they still need Jesus for their sins.
Well, you call jesus and have him/her prove that they really exist and I'll make sure to use him/her as my main sin absolution provider. Until then I refuse to use some old *bleep* book to tell me whether someone's sexual identity is wrong or not. I don't want to be mean but I'm tired of people using the same line over and over again "don't lie with other men" blah blah blah.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 01:13:06 am by GoGoKokiGo »

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2010, 05:47:39 am »
I'm bi-sexual, there is absolutely and completely NOTHING wrong with it!

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Re: okay I'm gay who else is gay and is there a problem with it
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2010, 03:01:42 pm »
The title makes it sound like a troll post.

In my opinion, I think that any laws even acknowledging a potential difference of treatment are saddening. I like the poster campaign of "When do we get to vote on your marriage?"

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