Atheistic Evolutionists, Logic, and Faith

[ro901]

Too many anti-Christian Liberals have either forgotten or never learned where many of the concepts of tolerance and respect for human rights and dignity which they supposedly hold as virtues come from.

And to that I say this is *just* a forum; persons or statements within it are not necessarily 100% how they would be offline.  A reader doesn't know the user's full background, tone, motives, etc. for writing whatever they did.  Try not to take it too personally.

Gee. I couldn't have said it better myself!

[liljp617]

Too many anti-Christian Liberals have either forgotten or never learned where many of the concepts of tolerance and respect for human rights and dignity which they supposedly hold as virtues come from.

And many Christians forget or never learned where those concepts and virtues came from. They certainly didn't begin with the New Testament. I'm sorry if that's what you've convinced yourself to believe.  Please don't talk about "human rights and dignity" while implying Christianity has relentlessly promoted it in the past...history tells quite the opposite story.

Morality has the same origins for "anti-Christian Liberals" as it does for "Christian Conservatives."  Morality has natural origins.

[jordandog]

Too many anti-Christian Liberals have either forgotten or never learned where many of the concepts of tolerance and respect for human rights and dignity which they supposedly hold as virtues come from.

I don't think anyone can honestly state that tolerance, respect, or any other virtue/aspect of morality came strictly out of the Bible or from Christianity. I am not a Liberal per se, but speaking as an atheist, I do not "supposedly hold" them as virtues either. That is yet another lumping of atheists into the 'non-moral and evil' pile. Since a political point was brought up here, I am commenting on it - even though we all know not to mix religion and politics. Something that really irritates me is the (mis)use of the Christian religion by many 'pro-Christian' Conservatives to justify their position in a political situation that often ends up affecting many or all of us. It seems almost as if it is a party line strategy to portray themselves as 'uber-religious' and 'godlike/godly' as opposed to even those Christian Liberals who are portrayed as 'ungodly' or 'non-religious'. I am not even talking about Atheist Liberals here. There is enough devisiveness within Christianity and politics to even start pointing fingers.

Maybe it is because liberals, like atheists, tend to question and pull things apart to find answers instead of being followers of the map drawn out for them by most of society? Has anyone seen or remember the movie "Inherit the Wind" about the science teacher accused of a crime for teaching evolution? It has one of my favorite lines/scenes in it. William Jennings Bryan (prosecutor against the teacher) asks Clarence Darrow (the teacher's lawyer):
"Does right have no meaning to you?" to which Darrow responds, "No! Right has no meaning to me, but truth does."

I am not saying atheists are right and Christians are wrong, that is not my call, but I cannot look at the Bible as truth and Christianity as the only way to be a decent, compassionate, and moral human being.

(I realize I am very late jumping in here, but I have had NO time to be on the Forums for days. Lots of catching up to do, but some interesting reading so far.)

[queenofnines]

I just saw another very good video that brings up more problems with Noah's Ark: http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525#p/u/2/I225Vcs3X0g (warning: some "naughty" language)

What I wrote about Noah's Ark earlier in this thread: http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=16759.msg209572#msg209572

[jordandog]

I know that vid would offend so many, but I LOL'd! So many realistic points in it. Magic, magic, magic and the the "Why not give them all 'magic heart attacks?" Funny stuff there, queen! How about the dinosaur pic hanging on the wall.....