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[amyrouse]

Well, this is not about personal interpretation.  I've studied it just like you say you did.  I gave scriptural reference, but see none from you to prove YOUR point.  Just your own interpretation.  I would like to see the paper you prepared with your Rabbi's help in 2006, can you post it?

Religion is personal to me...that is where we differ.  I'm sorry if you don't see individual interpretation as valid as what can be read in a book.  And I recall saying that it was a presentation, not a paper.  I prepared the information and led a discussion; not something I could post here.  In fact, part of the discussion we've had (not all, interpretation is ever-evolving) was what was discussed.  Do you need to see a written paper to believe this?  I can't help but feel like I've been attacked here.

Okay, you made the statement that Conservative and Reform Rabbi's don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but the older Orthodox and Chasidic Rabbi's do.  This explains a lot to me.  I know there are a lot of religious movements that are embracing this way of life as normal.  We aren't one of them......I think this is where the debate lies.  Not actually what the Bible says or doesn't say.  I mean the debate between you and I.  I do know what the Bible says about this.

I gave you Hebrew interpretation of a Sodomite, plus scripture explaining homosexuality from the Bible.  I see you left those out posting in your answer.  I was under the impression that you believed the Bible.  Maybe you use another book or something.  If this is the case, that you don't believe the Bible, then I've wasted my time trying to use it as reference material and Hebrew translations of it.

You gave me one Hebrew interpretation.  The Tanakh was written without vowels. 

You know what your interpretation and the interpretation of those who agree with you say about this.

I've stated before that I believe the Bible is a book written by men that serves as a good moral compass; not as fact.

I know now I've wasted my time on this.  I'm not upset, just confused about where you stood on the scriptures.
Now I know, that's all.

I'm sorry if you feel like you've wasted your time.  I'm here for lively discussion that encourages me to dig deeper within my beliefs, not to convert or agree or to seek someone to tell me what I should believe.  I don't feel any of this time has been wasted.  I've learned more about what I believe.  Education and study should never end because an expert has given their interpretation...rather, it should inspire me to read, learn, and interpret more.  I believe this is where our disagreement lies.

 

[Annella]

Well, this is not about personal interpretation.  I've studied it just like you say you did.  I gave scriptural reference, but see none from you to prove YOUR point.  Just your own interpretation.  I would like to see the paper you prepared with your Rabbi's help in 2006, can you post it?

Religion is personal to me...that is where we differ.  I'm sorry if you don't see individual interpretation as valid as what can be read in a book.  And I recall saying that it was a presentation, not a paper.  I prepared the information and led a discussion; not something I could post here.  In fact, part of the discussion we've had (not all, interpretation is ever-evolving) was what was discussed.  Do you need to see a written paper to believe this?  I can't help but feel like I've been attacked here.

Okay, you made the statement that Conservative and Reform Rabbi's don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but the older Orthodox and Chasidic Rabbi's do.  This explains a lot to me.  I know there are a lot of religious movements that are embracing this way of life as normal.  We aren't one of them......I think this is where the debate lies.  Not actually what the Bible says or doesn't say.  I mean the debate between you and I.  I do know what the Bible says about this.

I gave you Hebrew interpretation of a Sodomite, plus scripture explaining homosexuality from the Bible.  I see you left those out posting in your answer.  I was under the impression that you believed the Bible.  Maybe you use another book or something.  If this is the case, that you don't believe the Bible, then I've wasted my time trying to use it as reference material and Hebrew translations of it.

You gave me one Hebrew interpretation.  The Tanakh was written without vowels. 

You know what your interpretation and the interpretation of those who agree with you say about this.

I've stated before that I believe the Bible is a book written by men that serves as a good moral compass; not as fact.

I know now I've wasted my time on this.  I'm not upset, just confused about where you stood on the scriptures.
Now I know, that's all.

I'm sorry if you feel like you've wasted your time.  I'm here for lively discussion that encourages me to dig deeper within my beliefs, not to convert or agree or to seek someone to tell me what I should believe.  I don't feel any of this time has been wasted.  I've learned more about what I believe.  Education and study should never end because an expert has given their interpretation...rather, it should inspire me to read, learn, and interpret more.  I believe this is where our disagreement lies.

 

Religion is personal to you?  Okay, Bible Salvation is personal to me.  That's where we differ.  I assumed some things, and misunderstood what you relied on as Truth.  I didn't know you didn't believe the Bible as fact.  You may have posted that somewhere, but I missed it.

Now I do take offense implying I'm trying to convert, or make you agree, or tell you what to believe.  Since I DO use the Bible as my main reference for Truth, I will naturally point to it as MY focus for MY faith.  There's no way I'm going to shove it on you.  I wouldn't do that to anyone.  However, it's what I point to as my "Constant".

No, I don't need to see any paper, just thought it would be interesting to see what your Rabbi was using for references to make the point......just an interest from someone who likes to "study".  Attacked?  Never!

I only gave you one Hebrew interpretation for "Sodomite", because there was only one in the Strongs Concordance.  I also gave you other definitions from Unger's Bible Dictionary, and Matthew Henry's Commentary (Vol I) which pointed me to scriptures in the Bible (which are moot to someone who doesn't take it as infallible Truth).  That, I think is where we differ.  Not on our own "personal" religion or beliefs.

I love ya

[amyrouse]

I'm sorry if you feel like you've wasted your time.  I'm here for lively discussion that encourages me to dig deeper within my beliefs, not to convert or agree or to seek someone to tell me what I should believe.  I don't feel any of this time has been wasted.  I've learned more about what I believe.  Education and study should never end because an expert has given their interpretation...rather, it should inspire me to read, learn, and interpret more.  I believe this is where our disagreement lies.

Now I do take offense implying I'm trying to convert, or make you agree, or tell you what to believe.  Since I DO use the Bible as my main reference for Truth, I will naturally point to it as MY focus for MY faith.  There's no way I'm going to shove it on you.  I wouldn't do that to anyone.  However, it's what I point to as my "Constant".

Did you think I was implying you were trying to convert?  I said that I'm not here to convert or agree, etc. etc.  I've said before I don't see you actively trying to convert anyone here.  I stand by that statement.  I'm sorry if that was unclear.

Yes, religion is very personal to me.  The bible is a moral compass to me that is open to interpretation.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing on this.  If I were to venture a guess, I would say that you are a good person who leads a good, moral life.  I would hope you feel the same about me, even though I tend to be more liberal with my interpretation.  I have studied with my Rabbi, and I am open to reading scripture and studying with others...I enjoy a lively civil debate...as long as we both can walk away feeling the same affection for each other that we did before the debate.  That is the beauty of life; we're all different.  I just don't believe that my Rabbi is the end all of religious interpretation (even though we have yet to disagree  ), and he probably would be disappointed in me if I did.   

[Annella]

Okay, things get messed up on this venue.  I thought you were saying I was trying to convert.....you weren't.

Okay, No harm on this end.

[amyrouse]

Okay, things get messed up on this venue.  I thought you were saying I was trying to convert.....you weren't.

Okay, No harm on this end.

I'm trying to figure out where you keep finding all your offers, Annella!  Every time I see you on here, you've earned a nice little slab of money...I'm doing pitifully compared to you!  LOL

[Annella]

I check everyday.  I go through all the offers everyday, whether they are the same ones or not.  I have found some new ones hidden among the "regular" ones....main page, and the page where the daily tasks are on.  

I also take surveys.  The secret to the surveys, are to keep trying, even though they say there are no more available surveys.  Keep checking back in the same day.  Just working at it I guess.  Every time I have a little time, I sit down and go through my formula (I've made for myself to get around FC).  Doesn't take long to check everything.

However, as much time I spend on this forum, I should get $100 a month......lol   I'm not that much ahead of you.

Actually, it's because God loves me more   Kidding

[sflynt]

I'm really torn between the inevitable suffering of the child if born and the killing of the child to prevent the suffering. Either way it is very sad to me. 

Definitely agree.

I believe that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her body. But I don't agree with abortion to an extent, if that makes sense. I would never criticize or look down on someone who has had one either. My mother had one before she had me.  but I haven't been put in a situatiton where abortion could be considered. like if you were raped by someone with a disease, like aids, or your just 12yrs old... I dunno, Its a very difficult subject... I think if you dont want kids, dont have sex till your ready. but no matter what, a woman has the ultimate say in what she does with her body

[raven1114]

i think that a person should abstain from sex untill they are physically and emotionally ready to handle the situation and anything that may come along with it.

[Niarobi1010]

love the babies!!!