Fallout of Hate Is Spreading Across America from 9/11 Site

[cherrington17]

Is it not natural for Americans to fear Muslims after we watched them destroy two huge towers and countless lives on national television?

Should we not get to know, for our own safety and security, who Rauf is and what his intentions are?
 

if you consider the terrorists in the same category as your normal muslim, then every christian should be imprisoned for being a murderer, because Tim McVeigh and the KKK are christians.  Which... by association... means the Pope, is actually the Emperor of the Sith, who is bent on galactic domination.

LOL...I love Star Wars references. 

But, hey...much anti-Semitism stems from the belief that it was the Jews who killed Jesus.  So, I'm a de facto killer, too, I guess.  I hope no one here is afraid of me and wishes my temple burned to the ground... 

Wasn't Jebus 'sposed to have been Jewish, as well?

Yes, he was a Jewish carpenter.

apparently not a good one.  there is no word ever about him building anything phenomenal.  Good thing that savior thing worked out for him. lol

[loulizlee]

The fallout of hate has been here long before the proposed mosque near Ground Zero.  You can see it everywhere, even in the posts in this forum.  I hope someday we can have discussions and debates at all levels - politically, socially, whatever - where people can be civil to one another and not need to have the last word by resorting to put-downs and profanity and hurting other people.

[SurveyMack10]

Is it not natural for Americans to fear Muslims after we watched them destroy two huge towers and countless lives on national television?

Should we not get to know, for our own safety and security, who Rauf is and what his intentions are?

Of course it's only Republicans that oppose this right? WRONG.

Should America have rolled over and let Al Qaeda continue to attack and bring the war to our land?

Why is it that when it comes to anything considered a "minority" any question about anything they do is considered racism? It's crap. There's so much more reverse racism in this country than anything else. There's been places of worship DESTROYED in 9/11 that haven't been rebuilt. Why not? And why the urgency to put up the mosque?

Consider the strawman beaten.

In no way did I make the issue into something it's not, you just simply don't want to have to answer any questions you can't answer. In no way was my post built on lies or misrepresentations. Maybe you should find something useful to say instead of wasting space trying to offend people. You're not going to offend me, just because you disagree with me in no way makes me wrong. If you can't defend your position then expect to lose the argument. Period.

In actuality, the space that it takes to post and store a reply on this one out of thousands of topics on this site, out of the millions of message boards on the world-wide interwebs, it is comparatively very small. Think less than 1/10 of a MegaByte or so.
So if it's my "wasting space" that you are concerned about, I urge you to find something better to be E-angry with. 
I believe Carl Champly is allready all over that whole Wasted Spaces thing on DIY...

If I was "E-angry" you would know, but if you can't give an intelligent response I'd rather not have to see that you responded at all, waste of time.

[SurveyMack10]

Is it not natural for Americans to fear Muslims after we watched them destroy two huge towers and countless lives on national television?

Should we not get to know, for our own safety and security, who Rauf is and what his intentions are?
 

if you consider the terrorists in the same category as your normal muslim, then every christian should be imprisoned for being a murderer, because Tim McVeigh and the KKK are christians.  Which... by association... means the Pope, is actually the Emperor of the Sith, who is bent on galactic domination.

In no way am I saying every Muslim is evil and an Islamic extremist, just that we are only human. And that Rauf has a past history of feeling "hate" from America and his intentions should be investigated.

[SurveyMack10]

Is it not natural for Americans to fear Muslims after we watched them destroy two huge towers and countless lives on national television?

It is natural for Americans to fear terrorism...hate the sin, not the sinner, right?  It wasn't Islam that brought down the towers; it was a whack job named Osama bin Laden...who (I am no way insinuating that this is your opinion, but the misconception runs rampant in this country) is being sheltered by Afghanistan, not Iraq.  http://www.gwjokes.com/cartoons/clearlink.php

The more this country "fears Muslims" the more we add fuel to the fire of hatred toward our country, and the more we "prove" what they already know, i.e. we want to destroy Islam.  Al-Qaeda ideologues envision a complete break from the foreign influences in Muslim countries, and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. Reported beliefs include that a Christian-Jewish alliance is conspiring to destroy Islam,[11] which is largely embodied in the U.S.-Israel alliance, and that the killing of bystanders and civilians is religiously justified in jihad.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Should we not get to know, for our own safety and security, who Rauf is and what his intentions are?

Is this because he is Muslim?  If he was any other religion, would this worry be as valid?

Of course it's only Republicans that oppose this right? WRONG.

Of course, it is not only Republicans that oppose this...but they are the most vocal in their opposition.  I think it is vital to start the healing process in this country to do something of this sort.  Of course, if the decision were mine, we would have in place a religious/historical/multi-cultural center that was dedicated to educating about ALL religions and any historical inaccuracies (such as the way we gloss over what happened to the indigenous in this country when it was settled) because this is the land of the free, but to be truly free, you must know your history.

Should America have rolled over and let Al Qaeda continue to attack and bring the war to our land?

I view this as extreme.  We have a right to defend ourselves and to search out the ones that attacked us...but...the ones that attacked us were militant extremists...not all Muslims.

Why is it that when it comes to anything considered a "minority" any question about anything they do is considered racism? It's crap. There's so much more reverse racism in this country than anything else. There's been places of worship DESTROYED in 9/11 that haven't been rebuilt. Why not? And why the urgency to put up the mosque?

Here is the link for the Cordoba Initiative and Park 51.  On there you will find statements in favor of the Community Center (note...it isn't Just.A.Mosque) and videos regarding it.  http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

Anti-Muslim sentiment is rampant in this country.  If Park 51 isn't a good place to start that healing process, then I am not sure what is going to happen in this country...at this rate, we are just inviting al Qaeda to attack again. 

Feds investigate fire at site of future Tennessee mosque

A fire at the future site of a mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, is under investigation but "you can reasonably make the assumption" that it was arson, an FBI spokesman told CNN Sunday. "The evidence is being analyzed to see what the origin of the fire was," Keith Moses, an assistant special agent with the FBI in Nashville, told CNN Sunday. "We have to follow the facts." The fire, which struck early Saturday morning at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is under investigation by the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Rutherford County Sheriff's Office. The fire consumed an earth mover and damaged three other vehicles, according to Camie Ayash, a spokesperson for the mosque. Ayash said that the Mufreesboro Fire Department told her that the vehicles had been doused with an accelerant.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/29/feds-investigate-fire-at-site-of-future-tennessee-mosque/

I absolutely do not think that every muslim is evil and has plans to terrorize our country, just think that a Muslim center so close to a place attacked by muslims is going to make people nervous, that's common sense.

We don't deserve to know who Rauf is because he's Muslim, but because he and his family have a history of making Anti-American remarks. It doesn't help that he comes from a religion that has a history of a FEW, not all, but a FEW extremists who have attacked our country. We remember the FEW because it is recent and still effects lives today. What's more is that it is so near to the site that it happened, to remind those families of those victims...It's a bit disrespectful. It just seems that it is causing unnecessary nervousness and hurt.

I made the statement about not rolling over and letting Al Qaeda not walk all over us in regard to a post before...And I must add that we still haven't found them all, so there IS still reason to be worried and to have high security...what is there IS an attack coming from that mosque...then Al Qaeda will be laughing in our faces and the war we are already in will go on for longer and longer.


I'll ask again.

Why is it that when it comes to anything considered a "minority" any question about anything they do is considered racism? It's crap. There's so much more reverse racism in this country than anything else. There's been places of worship DESTROYED in 9/11 that haven't been rebuilt. Why not? And why the urgency to put up the mosque?

[Annella]

We are not talking about some peaceful religion here...........  Islam has passed it's self off as some peaceful gathering, and they have nothing to do with their extreme brothers.  I beg to differ.  Have you read the Koran?  I mean really read it?  There's another book that goes with it, but for the life of me, I can remember what it's called. Can someone help me out here?  If your not Muslim, your an infidel, and worthy of death.  Even their own people. They think nothing of putting their own people to death for not following Islam, and becoming Muslim.  That's you and me folks, we are the infidel, no matter what we do, or don't believe.  Mackenzie brought up some very good points. This is NOT a fallout of hate, it's a careful investigation of why and what.  This is a careful scrutiny why they want that exact location to build their center.  Surely they know the wound that is still raw for the families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 disaster.  Why would they ignore the intense feelings of loss that is still prevalent with the American people?  When were these plans even created?  Was it before 9/11?  There's a lot to question than just "oh, this is a fallout of hate".  Not so.

Do you know that this teaching of the Koran is taught in the schools from the time children can speak?  So we have a whole next generation of this coming up.  No one here has seen our flag being burned by Muslims, or Amreican hate slogans being chanted in their festivals and gatherings?

When we travel into a foreign country, we are asked all sorts of questions.  When I was in China, I was ALWAYS stopped by the Communist Police, and asked for my Passport.  Asked why was I there?  Who did I know?  Where was I staying?  Even when I went to cash a big Hong Kong bill into smaller increments, I was asked the same questions over and over.  This was in the Bank of America building no less.  Did I get all mad and say "they just hate Americans, that's why they are doing this"?  No, I was in their country, they had every right to know what I was doing there.

Any time you go to a foreign land.  Everybody goes through Immigration and is asked why and what your going to their country for.  You better answer them, because they can bar you from entering.  Since 9/11, believe me, it's gotten a lot stricter to enter ANY country.  EVERYBODY is on high alert.  Not just the United States.  We are not the only one who have suffered terrorist attacks.  Coming from China during Ramadan (Muslim month of fasting), there were Muslims boarding the plane.  We were stuck on the Tarmac for over an hour as people disembarked, because they were not going to fly with them.  That sounds extreme, but you had to see these people's attitude and how they "pushed" themselves and glared at everybody.  Some sneered like they were thumbing their noses at us. They WANTED us to fear them.  We stayed on the plane because we were not afraid of them.  This flight took 14 hours. We were all together a long time.  If you had been there and observed the behavior, you might want some investigation done too.  No, I don't hate them, but I'd like my Nation to be a bit cautious in why they're in such a rush to build near ground zero?  Has anybody else here been in that close proximity to observe their disrespect for anyone?  Sure, they're going to tone it down while they're in the US, but observe them on their own soil.  Or even in Israel where they think Israel is actually theirs.  You might have a different opinion and want some investigation done also.

All that is being asked is....please investigate this a bit further, and is it possible that someone behind this couple pulling the strings?  Where is the funding coming from?  Why is this couple screaming that Americans hate them? Maybe to garner sympathy?  Why haven't the other churches destroyed in the vicinity not been given permission to rebuild, but this Mosque is being pushed through?  These are all viable questions that have no hate to them.  Just questions.

Now before you judge me about where I stand.  Not all Arabs or Arab people are Muslims.  I met very nice people in Israel that were Arabs, Jordan also.  The nicest people.  There was an Arab cab driver that toured me and my friend all over Bethlehem, and then when the borders closed at night (we had no idea it would happen), got us back to Jerusalem safe and sound to our house through some back roads.  It's not the race, it's the religion, and the extreme teaching of destroying anyone that's not Muslim.  They have no value for human life....none.  How about brain washing the youth into suicide bombing?  No hate, just some questions.


You need to view it ASAP as it's been taken down once.

www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=109277652456420&ref=mf

WARNING DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN WATCH THIS OR HAVE THEM IN THE ROOM.  IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE IN ANY WAY, DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO!!

I wanted to post this earlier, but knew it was time consuming.  Please....this is not a hate post.  Just some questions, and to show you some proof to back up what is common knowledge in other countries.


To my Christian friends....do you know that the word "Islam" means peace and safety?  If you know your Word, you will make the connection.

[carebearmafia]

Is it not natural for Americans to fear Muslims after we watched them destroy two huge towers and countless lives on national television?

Should we not get to know, for our own safety and security, who Rauf is and what his intentions are?

Of course it's only Republicans that oppose this right? WRONG.

Should America have rolled over and let Al Qaeda continue to attack and bring the war to our land?

Why is it that when it comes to anything considered a "minority" any question about anything they do is considered racism? It's crap. There's so much more reverse racism in this country than anything else. There's been places of worship DESTROYED in 9/11 that haven't been rebuilt. Why not? And why the urgency to put up the mosque?

Consider the strawman beaten.

In no way did I make the issue into something it's not, you just simply don't want to have to answer any questions you can't answer. In no way was my post built on lies or misrepresentations. Maybe you should find something useful to say instead of wasting space trying to offend people. You're not going to offend me, just because you disagree with me in no way makes me wrong. If you can't defend your position then expect to lose the argument. Period.

In actuality, the space that it takes to post and store a reply on this one out of thousands of topics on this site, out of the millions of message boards on the world-wide interwebs, it is comparatively very small. Think less than 1/10 of a MegaByte or so.
So if it's my "wasting space" that you are concerned about, I urge you to find something better to be E-angry with. 
I believe Carl Champly is allready all over that whole Wasted Spaces thing on DIY...

If I was "E-angry" you would know, but if you can't give an intelligent response I'd rather not have to see that you responded at all, waste of time.

Fine.....you win for two reasons.

1. Intelligent response is not within my programming; much like humanity or the Turing Test.
2. And anybody that can't give intelligent response and disagrees is in fact, a waste of time.

 
lol-fro

[jordandog]

To my Christian friends....do you know that the word "Islam" means peace and safety?  If you know your Word, you will make the connection.

That is not correct, but is a common mistake. The word Salam is a noun and means peace. Islam is an Arabic verb, not a noun, and means submission, surrendering, and obeying in order to achieve Salam or 'peace'.

[Annella]

To my Christian friends....do you know that the word "Islam" means peace and safety?  If you know your Word, you will make the connection.

That is not correct, but is a common mistake. The word Salam is a noun and means peace. Islam is an Arabic verb, not a noun, and means submission, surrendering, and obeying in order to achieve Salam or 'peace'.

Definition:

wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Islam_and_Muslim_the_same


Answer

The word "Islam" comes from an Arabic root word meaning "peace", "safety". "Islam" means "peace and security through submission to God." In Arabic, you convert a general noun to a personal noun by preceding it with "M", so a Muslim (M+Islam) is a person who has found peace and security through submission to God.
The religion is Islam. The person who believes in Islam is Muslim.
ANSWER:

The followers of Islam are called Muslims. For example who follow christianity are called Christian and who follows Buddhism are called Buddhists.

[amyrouse]

from Wikipedia...

Park51, originally named Cordoba House, is a planned $100 million, 13-story, glass and steel Islamic community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan.  The facility's design includes a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court, September 11 memorial, and prayer space that could accommodate 1,000–2,000 people. The center would replace an existing 1850s Italianate-style building that was damaged in the September 11 attacks, located two blocks (about 600 feet, or 180 meters) from the former World Trade Center site, although it would not be visible from the future memorial.

In July 2009, the real estate company and developer Soho Properties, led by Sharif El-Gamal, purchased the building, initially planning to build a condominium complex at the site. In partnership with Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf's Cordoba Initiative, the owners instead decided to pursue the idea of an Islamic community center to be headed by Rauf.

Plans to build Cordoba House were noted in December 2009, at a location that was already in use for Muslim worship. The plans were reviewed by the local community board in May 2010, at which time they attracted some national media attention. The project's organizers state that it is intended to be "a platform for multi-faith dialogue. It will strive to promote inter-community peace, tolerance and understanding locally in New York City, nationally in America, and globally," and have stated that it is modeled on the noted Manhattan Jewish community and cultural center, the 92nd Street Y. The project's sponsors explained that the original name of the center was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, which they call a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews. The proposal triggered an intense nationwide controversy, with opponents of the project objecting to its proximity to the site of the September 11 attacks, its scale, sources of funding, or expressing concern that the project's name was intended as a reference to the Islamic conquest of the Christian city of Córdoba, Spain. Supporters have appealed to the First Amendment as well as the opportunity for Muslims to demonstrate peaceful Islamic values and for Americans to reassert their commitment to tolerance and diversity.

Protests were initially sparked by a campaign launched by bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, critics of Islam and founders of the group Stop Islamization of America. Controversial postings on Geller's blog "Atlas Shrugs" have included a number of false claims, including that Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan (who is Jewish) supports *bleep* ideology (accompanied by a fake picture of her in a *bleep* uniform), a video suggesting that Muslims have sex with goats, a doctored photo showing President Obama urinating on an American flag and false claims that Obama's mother was involved in pornography and that Obama "was involved with a crack *bleep* in his youth". Geller has also used her site to accuse President Obama of anti-Semitism and doing the bidding of "Islamic overlords," while posting an essay suggesting, without any evidence, that the President is the "love child" of Malcolm X.

Before Geller's campaign, response to the Park51 project was not pronounced, and even conservative commentators provided largely positive coverage. But the project quickly attracted national attention, with local politicians including New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Mayor Rudolph Guiliani voicing their opinions for and against alongside national figures such as President Barack Obama, former Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Polling has demonstrated that a majority of both Americans and New York State and New York City residents oppose the construction of the building near Ground Zero, while a majority of Manhattan residents support the project. Prominent supporters and opponents of the project can be found among the families of the 9/11 victims, the domestic and international Muslim community, and local and national politicians, making it a divisive political campaign issue in the 2010 midterm elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

Just a little food for thought.  A majority of Manhattan residents support the project...hmm...

[amyrouse]

To my Christian friends....do you know that the word "Islam" means peace and safety?  If you know your Word, you will make the connection.

That is not correct, but is a common mistake. The word Salam is a noun and means peace. Islam is an Arabic verb, not a noun, and means submission, surrendering, and obeying in order to achieve Salam or 'peace'.

Definition:

wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Islam_and_Muslim_the_same

Annella...it says it comes from an Arabic root word meaning peace.  Islam...Salam...the two words sound similar.

[jordandog]

wiki answers is not the best place to find accurate info. What I posted was from a Muslim's page, so would tend to think it was more accurate, but will not argue with you about it. I have seen the Islam=peace so many times and it is always refuted by Muslims themselves, but what do I know.

[Annella]

wiki answers is not the best place to find accurate info. What I posted was from a Muslim's page, so would tend to think it was more accurate, but will not argue with you about it. I have seen the Islam=peace so many times and it is always refuted by Muslims themselves, but what do I know.

I use wiki alot and have found them to be pretty accurate.  I'll ask my Muslim neighbor.  What Muslim page are you referring to?

Manhattan is only a part of New York, and New York is just one city in the Nation.  A lot of people died on 9/11 that were not native New Yorkers.  I'm curious, did you watch the vid?  I don't put to much stock in polls, as they have a tendency to become manipulated.  Hmmmm

[jordandog]

Here is one of about 10 I went to, just to double check myself, before posting that. As I said, I have heard it used many times in that way over the years. I have also studied the Hindu and Muslim practices and beliefs for my own education because I wanted to know. Here is the easiest to understand, most clearly written:
http://tinyurl.com/25ntbc4

[Annella]

Here is one of about 10 I went to, just to double check myself, before posting that. As I said, I have heard it used many times in that way over the years. I have also studied the Hindu and Muslim practices and beliefs for my own education because I wanted to know. Here is the easiest to understand, most clearly written:
http://tinyurl.com/25ntbc4

So actually it encumbers peace, is what I'm reading. Or a part of the "step" process.  I guess you could get the meaning peace and safety out of it.  Since according to the Muslim page, it means so many things apparently.  Is it possible to give me the other 9 your referring to (Muslim Pages).  Only because I take everything and evaluate it all. Everything I've researched has the words Peace and Security or Safety.