To the Christian who thinks only those who accept Christ will go to heaven....

[Falconer02]

Those aren't "myths", they are miracles and they are fact--- they were witnessed by others and the Bible has FOUR different people writing about them happening instead of just one.

They are myths by the definition. Unless you can prove that they were fact? Only 4 people?

The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.'

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts

[SherylsShado]

Those aren't "myths", they are miracles and they are fact--- they were witnessed by others and the Bible has FOUR different people writing about them happening instead of just one.

They are myths by the definition. Unless you can prove that they were fact? Only 4 people?

I can't prove they were fact, I wasn't there.  You can't prove they aren't fact because you weren't there either.  Someday (and probably not that far into the future) everyone will have all the proof they need to know there were no "myths" in the Bible...  (More than 4 people writing about the same events would have been a total random bore---don't you think?) 

[seventh1]

So your telling me... that anyone who does not accept christ will be doomed to eternal suffering???
ok.
so what if...... i cured cancer. ended world hunger and made sure every child in the world got and education?... but heres the catch. i was an outspoken athiest who mocked religion and denied it completely. would your god send me to suffer for eternity, despite the fact of all the good i had done?

I believe only those who accept christ will go to heaven because if you don't accept him who will you accept in the bible he said he is a jealous God none before him It doesn't matter how good you are living right and believeing he died for your sins is what counts.

[Falconer02]

I can't prove they were fact, I wasn't there.  You can't prove they aren't fact because you weren't there either.

Considering Lord Raglan's Hero Scale, it's highly likely that it's a heavily romanticized story with a lot of stolen elements of other heroes that came before the story of Jesus. I really don't see how anyone could argue with that unless they're intentionally being irrational.

everyone will have all the proof they need to know there were no "myths" in the Bible...  (More than 4 people writing about the same events would have been a total random bore---don't you think?)  

I highly doubt this too. They are myths even on a worldly scale- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

And 4 people is furthest from enough to make something legit. If 4 people told you they saw a UFO and each had a different take on the finer details, you'd be a lil skeptical, right? But if 3,000+ different people --including scientists, historians, engineers, etc. etc.) came to you and said they saw the same thing and described it very well with no contradictions, you'd be a little more maleable in believing them.

[thedementedpianist]

This video is, granted, a bit extreme and offensive, but it raises a good point: Accountability is a good thing.  There are far too few people who take responsibility for their own actions in this world, and can you think of any reasons why?  If nothing I do will ever be good enough, why should I waste my time being good?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk&feature=related

I like this video.

the bible clearly says the only way to get to heaven is throught the son (Jesus). If you choose not to believe, then you go to hell, its very simple. It does not matter how nice you are, if you dont believe you go to hell

That sounds like a pretty crappy heaven then because I know a lot of nice people who aren't Christians. I'll take hell.

[ricky981]

So your telling me... that anyone who does not accept christ will be doomed to eternal suffering???
ok.
so what if...... i cured cancer. ended world hunger and made sure every child in the world got and education?... but heres the catch. i was an outspoken athiest who mocked religion and denied it completely. would your god send me to suffer for eternity, despite the fact of all the good i had done?

  well hear we go again this is a never ending process. first of all am not anthiest i do be live their is a god and by his will and his will only should i accept christ am not saying that you have to attend church to accept him just be live in him and do his wil and do right then you'll be okay.

[hagancouple]

Only God knows and God witness everything we do each day so when the time come God will judge and only him nothing else

[sflynt]

Only God knows and God witness everything we do each day so when the time come God will judge and only him nothing else

How do you know?

[seventh1]

So your telling me... that anyone who does not accept christ will be doomed to eternal suffering???
ok.
so what if...... i cured cancer. ended world hunger and made sure every child in the world got and education?... but heres the catch. i was an outspoken athiest who mocked religion and denied it completely. would your god send me to suffer for eternity, despite the fact of all the good i had done?

[HuffmanFamilyof4]

the bible clearly says the only way to get to heaven is throught the son (Jesus). If you choose not to believe, then you go to hell, its very simple. It does not matter how nice you are, if you dont believe you go to hell

like i have said before the bible was written by man thats why the name KING JAMES is on the bible. there are so many version of that book it's sickning, and as for going to hell..well yeah i live near HELL,Michigan...LMFAO

[dbower]

502mania, I agree completely. Heaven is not for good people. It is for manipulated people, in my opinion.  Say you did cure case. It is not because god popped a thought in your head. It is because your research and education led you to deduce a solution that can prevent and stop cancer.
A serial murderer and rapist can get into heaven if he says at the end of his life "forgive me god for i have sinned" (basically), but an entire life searching for peace and helping people is not enough. This is why I would refuse to worship a god if i believed in one.
This is one of my problems with chrisitianity. It excuses immorality.  People will immediately say that somebody who goes to church every sunday is a good person.  Well what if me, as an atheist, spent every second a christian spends in church at a charity or helping the hungry and the sick and the poor. I would not be rewarded for it.

[jordandog]

This is one of my problems with chrisitianity. It excuses immorality.  People will immediately say that somebody who goes to church every sunday is a good person.  Well what if me, as an atheist, spent every second a christian spends in church at a charity or helping the hungry and the sick and the poor. I would not be rewarded for it.

From one atheist to another, welcome to FC. Excellent point made above, that's why I quoted it. I don't know how many things you have had a chance to read here in the forum, especially under Debate/Discuss, but don't be surprised to find out we are def the minority around here and often get some very testy remarks as a result. Don't let that run you off. There are a small group of very respectful, likeable, intelligent, and open-minded 'believers' as I'm sure you will find out and they make all the "You atheists will burn in hell after you get done ruining our country." somewhat palatable. 

[jcribb16]

the bible clearly says the only way to get to heaven is throught the son (Jesus). If you choose not to believe, then you go to hell, its very simple. It does not matter how nice you are, if you dont believe you go to hell

like i have said before the bible was written by man thats why the name KING JAMES is on the bible. there are so many version of that book it's sickning, and as for going to hell..well yeah i live near HELL,Michigan...LMFAO

I just want to clarify here that King James didn't write the Bible.  The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, and some Greek.  Then it was translated into Latin.  Afterwards, the Puritans went to King James and asked him if he would authorize the translation into English, for understanding.  No one was allowed to change anything of the Bible without special authorization or risked being put to death.  He appointed approximately 100 scholars (who were all fluent in all of these languages) to translate the Bible.  That's why it's considered the King James Version.  I may be off slightly or blurred on complete history of it, but this is the main reason it was translated.

[ratedroy95]

Does this mean that other religion are fake and does not exist?

[jcribb16]

This is one of my problems with chrisitianity. It excuses immorality.  People will immediately say that somebody who goes to church every sunday is a good person.  Well what if me, as an atheist, spent every second a christian spends in church at a charity or helping the hungry and the sick and the poor. I would not be rewarded for it.

From one atheist to another, welcome to FC. Excellent point made above, that's why I quoted it. I don't know how many things you have had a chance to read here in the forum, especially under Debate/Discuss, but don't be surprised to find out we are def the minority around here and often get some very testy remarks as a result. Don't let that run you off. There are a small group of very respectful, likeable, intelligent, and open-minded 'believers' as I'm sure you will find out and they make all the "You atheists will burn in hell after you get done ruining our country." somewhat palatable. 

I am a Christian.  But being a Christian doesn't excuse immorality.  I agree with you, too, that some people say that and I'm with you, here.  Just because someone goes to church every Sunday doesn't mean they are a good person.  There are all kinds of people who go to church for different reasons.  Good works, whether done by Christians or non-christians, aren't the ticket to Heaven and rewards - faith is.  No matter who gets out there and helps a charity, the hungry, sick, poor, etc., those people are wonderful for doing that, and I feel, need recognition for their efforts.  But, there are just as many who are "active" in church and yet they can't be bothered to help with charities, etc.

 I feel I'm rambling in a circle.  I guess I'm just trying to say is that Christianity should never be used as an excuse to cover immorality or call someone good just because they go to church.  Yes, Christians receive forgiveness for sin, but I don't believe they should spitefully be out there doing things like that, thinking, "Oh, it's okay, I'll just ask forgiveness and it'll be okay." We are all accountable for our actions.  You made an excellent point, for sure!