daily Bible verse

[falcon9]

"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." -
- Arthur C. Clarke

http://www.ravenhill.org/johnbaptist.htm

[Cuppycake]

"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." -
- Arthur C. Clarke

http://www.ravenhill.org/johnbaptist.htm

I couldn't agree more. I told a long time friend yesterday that I chose as a child not to buy into the  of religion and "god" and this was the responce I got " (rollseyes) Kind of a BIG decision to make for a child but okay. I'm not going to debate it, I don't do that. I just think that picture is ignorant because whoever did it must not be capable of understanding God and has a narrow view of the world and purpose. But on the other side of it, I know just as many "Religious" people don't really understand themselves so.... More of the blind leading the blind (shrug). Peace!"

[remediagirl]

Be truly glad.  There is wonderful joy ahead!"

                                                                  - I Peter 1:6

[remediagirl]

The fruit of the spirit is love, joy and peace.
                                                                                    - Galatians 5:22

[falcon9]

"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses."
-- Arthur C. Clarke

I couldn't agree more. I told a long time friend yesterday that I chose as a child not to buy into the  of religion and "god" and this was the responce I got " (rollseyes) Kind of a BIG decision to make for a child but okay. I'm not going to debate it, I don't do that. I just think that picture is ignorant because whoever did it must not be capable of understanding God and has a narrow view of the world and purpose. But on the other side of it, I know just as many "Religious" people don't really understand themselves so.... More of the blind leading the blind (shrug). Peace!"

It may very well be that those who were 'forced' to attend 'church' against their will, (due to parental pressure/propagandizing the young), are the most mind-blinded by religious blind faith.

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful g-d, who creates faulty humans, and then
blames them for his own mistakes."
-- Gene Roddenberry

[hitch0403]

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful g-d, who creates faulty humans, and then
blames them for his own mistakes."


This has to be one of the dumbest quotes ever made.An all knowing God has control of when to know something and NOT.Faulty humans sinned on their own after being warned of consequence of dis-obedience.A Just God  held up his discipline rather then turn the universe into a chaotic place but out of love have given their off-spring a chance to still live.

Freedom of choice was prevalent here otherwise LOVE wouldnt exist.

[falcon9]

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful g-d, who creates faulty humans, and then
blames them for his own mistakes."
-- Gene Roddenberry

This has to be one of the dumbest quotes ever made.

On the contrary, the 'bible' is chalk-full of even dumber quotes.

An all knowing God has control of when to know something and NOT.

Speaking of "dumb" things to say, if the posited entity is "all-knowing" then it already knows all and has no "control of when to know something or not" since that is an illogical, (makes a mutually-contradictory), assertion.  Such specious religious beliefs are based entirely on faulty, irrational assertions of blind faith.

[hitch0403]

You can be all knowing and still be in control.Thats the part many dont understand.

EX:If God knew A&E would sin why did HE bother to warn them of consequence if they dis-obeyed?

Of course many would say God was playing a game with them then.

In this case God chose NOT to know if A&E would sin.

[falcon9]

Your load of irrationality under the guise of proselytizing illogic is unconvincing, (and of no consequence as propaganda).

You can be all knowing and still be in control.Thats the part many dont understand.

EX:If God knew A&E would sin why did HE bother to warn them of consequence if they dis-obeyed?

Of course many would say God was playing a game with them then.

In this case God chose NOT to know if A&E would sin.

[hitch0403]

Its like the dumb question...can God make a rock so heavy he cant lift it?

Its a trap question for those that have no use for God and because Hes all powerful how would he be able to do that.

The answer......If he wants to

[hitch0403]

Chooses to would be better put.

[falcon9]

Either way, the illogical 'conclusion' is an example of irrational religious beliefs.  If such a rock were 'made' and the hypothetical 'maker' couldn't lift it, then that hypothetical 'maker' isn't "all-powerful".  If such a hypothetical 'maker' could lift such a rock, then that hypothetical 'maker' did not 'make' an unliftable rock.  There is no choice involved since either is mutually-exclusive.

Its like the dumb question...can God make a rock so heavy he cant lift it?

Its a trap question for those that have no use for God and because Hes all powerful how would he be able to do that.

The answer......If he wants to

Chooses to would be better put.

[hitch0403]

But He can choose to NOT BE all powerful for that time.

Lets examine something here.The bible says right before the flood Gods heart was hurt because of the badness in the earth.So we see then that this all powerfull,knowing God has feelings.Man is created is Gods image so we actually are like HIM.....intelligence,conscience,love etc.

Being in control and always making the right calls in perfection i guess can also be added.

The name Jehovah means he causes to become.HIs original purpose of the earth being populated worshipping him was thwarted by rebellion in Eden.But He made a way where it will still happen.

[falcon9]

But He can choose to NOT BE all powerful for that time.

That's an illogical religious belief/conclusion based upon blind faith.  If such a hypothetical entity 'chooses' not to be "all-powerful" then it precludes being all-powerful according to that 'choice'.  The conclusion is that, if such a choice can be made, the one making it isn't "all-powerful" after all and not the hypothetical entity its believers bargained-away their ability to reason for.

The name Jehovah means he causes to become.

No. "Jivah - Sanskrit, 'sky god', (u=yava/java), same as Jihvah, a pagan 'g-d' preceding the judiac plagiarismm. Jove - Hebrew/YHVH (Yahweh):

The tetragrammaton YHVH would then be "e-ah-va-ah."  With the Greek/Roman Jove we can see it would be pronounced as "J-ah-va-ah."  And taking the "Jah" and converting the "J" to a "Y" we would then have "Yah" and finally "Yah-va-ah."  If we convert the "v" into a "w" as is done between YHVH and YHWH the name would be "Yah-wa-ah" or "Yahwaah."

Jove is then none other than Yahwah or Yahweh."

The Aegyptian neteru "Xeper", which preceded judeo-xtianity by thousands of years, means "to become/to come into being", and was symbolized by the scarab beetle.  It has nothing to do with the, (much later), attempt to assimulate a pagan mythology into a jw cult's beliefs.

[hitch0403]

1 last thing RE the self control of knowing.....

When God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son,if he already knew Abraham would why would HE bother to go thru all of that?So it shows again in this case he chose NOT to know what Abraham would do and then when Abraham proved his love for God of course God stopped him.