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joannaingram84

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Bible Verse
« on: September 01, 2011, 08:58:23 pm »
When God began creating the heavens and the earth, the earth was at first a shapeless, chaotic mass, with the Spirit of God brooding over the dark vapors. Genesis 1:1-2 (The Living Bible)

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 12:13:38 am »
Then God said, "Let there be light." And light appeared. And God was pleased with it, and divided the light from the darkness. So he let it shine for awhile, and then there was darkness again. He called the light "daytime", and the darkness "nighttime." Together they formed the first day. Genesis 1:3-5 (The Living Bible)

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 10:01:46 am »
Let's not forget that it claims there was "light" before the sun and moon were created (?!).  And that plants were made before the sun, photosynthesis be damned!  Hmmmmm......
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 10:11:44 am »
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 11:15:34 am »
 “What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you—guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.” 2 Timothy 1:13-14 NIV
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 11:50:28 am »
"Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness."

Romans 12:6-8 KJV
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 04:06:30 pm »
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2011, 07:03:37 pm »
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

You have inaccuracies in your assumptions of what things are described and the variations in the words from Hebrew to Greek, etc.  It is best to use a concordance and other such references for these purposes.  Calling a bat a bird matters very little when the modern term of bat didn't exist so I wouldn't concern myself too much with that.  Similarly the unicorn mentioned is not this mythical beast you might be thinking but perhaps it is what we call a rhinoceros or possibly even something else and maybe something that could be extinct.  The bible doesn't say the earth is flat.  The bible doesn't say that the value of Pi is 3.  In fact if you read Kings 7 you will see what it does say and you can make your own determinations from this.

Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it and therefore those who would believe in it.  People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

There are only 10 types of people in the world:  those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2011, 07:09:46 pm »
The fact that plants were made before the sun is pretty good evidence for a literal 6 day creation because plants couldn't survive without the sun for very long.

Heh, this made me chuckle.  So I take it you're down with the myriad of other scientific inaccuracies described in the Bible, such as bats being birds, the existence of unicorns, a flat earth, and a wrong figure for Pi?

The only thing that the Genesis account is "pretty good evidence" for is that it was written by primitive, superstitious goat herders.

Good read: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

You have inaccuracies in your assumptions of what things are described and the variations in the words from Hebrew to Greek, etc.  It is best to use a concordance and other such references for these purposes.  Calling a bat a bird matters very little when the modern term of bat didn't exist so I wouldn't concern myself too much with that.  Similarly the unicorn mentioned is not this mythical beast you might be thinking but perhaps it is what we call a rhinoceros or possibly even something else and maybe something that could be extinct.  The bible doesn't say the earth is flat.  The bible doesn't say that the value of Pi is 3.  In fact if you read Kings 7 you will see what it does say and you can make your own determinations from this.

Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it and therefore those who would believe in it.  People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.


Well said!

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 06:56:40 am »
Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it

Because apparently I've read it and you haven't.  You want to get into the real nasty stuff about the Bible, eh?  How about killing a rape victim because she did not cry out loud enough, or commanding the raper to marry her? (Deuteronomy)  How about death to all homosexuals, followers of other religions, nonbelievers, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, people who disrespect their parents, people who work on the Sabbath?  (Leviticus, Exodus, 2 Chronicles, Deuteronomy)  You cool with slavery, as god is?  (Leviticus, Exodus, Ephesians, Luke)

God is responsible for the death of millions in the Bible.  Pretty much every other page in the OT he is murdering off entire tribes of people.  On the other hand, Satan only killed 10 people in the Bible (Job's family)...and that's only because god allowed him to as part of a sick bet!!


Ugh, all these cliched questions show me how uneducated people are.   ::)  What is "antipathetic"?  lol

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People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

Wot?  This makes no sense...
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 07:13:14 am »
"Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" - 1 Corinthians 10:31
I was lying in bed the other night, looking up at the stars, and thinking, "Where in the heck is my roof?"

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 07:24:51 am »
"A generation comes and a generation goes but the earth remains forever."

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 08:03:04 am »
That is some scary picture isn't it? It makes me want to stand up straight and not be naughty. God created this world from nothing. We on the other hand can create nothing and depend on God for our very breath. Scary stuff if you really think about it. I feel we should do our best to honor Him and how Him by our treatment of our fellow humans our gratitude for his gifts.

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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 10:23:31 am »
Whatever your views of the Bible might be, you should first ask yourself why you have such an insulting and antipathetic view of it

Because apparently I've read it and you haven't.  You want to get into the real nasty stuff about the Bible, eh?  How about killing a rape victim because she did not cry out loud enough, or commanding the raper to marry her? (Deuteronomy)  How about death to all homosexuals, followers of other religions, nonbelievers, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, people who disrespect their parents, people who work on the Sabbath?  (Leviticus, Exodus, 2 Chronicles, Deuteronomy)  You cool with slavery, as god is?  (Leviticus, Exodus, Ephesians, Luke)

God is responsible for the death of millions in the Bible.  Pretty much every other page in the OT he is murdering off entire tribes of people.  On the other hand, Satan only killed 10 people in the Bible (Job's family)...and that's only because god allowed him to as part of a sick bet!!


Ugh, all these cliched questions show me how uneducated people are.   ::)  What is "antipathetic"?  lol

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People should not so hastily dismiss it, if not simply for the fact that yet for this book my true nature (as well as those like me) as that of a wolf would put all around me in grave danger at my simplest leisure.

Wot?  This makes no sense...


I haven't simply just 'read' it, I have studied it and you certainly have not as your confusion so readily reveals.  I feel no reason to discuss the OT with you as there would be no reason for it since you illustrate so clearly in your second paragraph that instead of addressing the original point you instead resort to not just one, but two logical fallacies (these being a false dilemma and a straw man).

I cannot see how my question can be considered a cliche, and regardless how would such commonality lead to any conclusions about my education?  Should I feel the need to counter you with your admitted ignorance of the word 'antipathetic' and your inept ability to even search for the word (it would take you 5 seconds or less surely).  Honestly I don't feel such a pull and I don't judge people in such ways as I have both learned from fools and taught the brilliant in my life.

Granted the last point you make has some merit as I may have been a little too poetic in what I was trying to say and my meaning wasn't quite clear.  I will explain.  Without my faith, I am left as nothing more than a man of logic, impulse, and desire.  If say, I were an atheist, it would not be safe for anyone to have any dealings with me.  I would take what I wanted as I wanted and no laws of men would protect people from me.  There could be no 'good' atheist in me.  For good to me would be whatever I wanted and doing good for others would only come to be if there were an even greater 'good' or advantage that I would net from such an action.  I don't trust an atheist because I know quite well what I would be if I were one (and that there could be no 'good' atheist as they would simply only be idiotic atheists who haven't even investigated their own disbelief).  Honestly if you were my neighbor you should be quite thankful that I have my faith.

I didn't post this or my original reply to you with the intentions of being insulting or rude.  I do come off that way a bit in this post but your reply warranted such as twice you have been insulting and my tolerance goes only so far.  I don't wish to trade snipes back and forth with you and I bear no ill feelings towards you either, but I caution you that your views on things are rather naive and simplistic.  There are vile and bad people such as myself whom, by whatever grace was given, don't follow the impulse to do such things.  In my case you can thank the word of this book that I am the man I am and not the man of the nature that I am.
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Re: Bible Verse
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 10:33:19 am »
I myself believe in a "Loving" God. Well above all the human emotions that the Bible claims God feels. (Anger, wrath, vengeance)   :heart:

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