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teflonfanatic

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2011, 08:03:15 pm »
The pledge of allegiance has absolutely nothing to do with religion.  It is to show patriotism to our country and respect for it.  Those that are so against religion and that want to come up with their own beliefs have lost sense of what should or should not be so as long as they can stand up and only believe as they believe.  Under God is in the pledge because that was what our country was built upon.  Where do you think that our judicial system came from?  Honestly think, where would we have gotten understanding of or basic rights and wrongs if it were not from the ten commandments?  But, off my rant, as far as he pledge of allegiance goes, I believe that there should be an option that if people do not believe in the USA then don't restate the pledge if you do then say it proudly!

Patriotism is considered a religion by many learnt people(Falc's clique  ;D) but don't take my word for it research yourself!!

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2011, 08:30:28 pm »
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Patriotism is considered a religion by many learnt people(Falc's clique  ) but don't take my word for it research yourself!!

If that's true, then by living in this country, taking in education from this country, taking a job in this country, paying taxes, watching/listening to our entertainment and news, adopting american values, being christian, etc. you technically belong to 2 religions. Congrats.
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2011, 08:57:49 pm »
I always considered it an honor to my country to say the pledge of allegiance. In fact, it made and still makes me feel darn proud!!!!! We also were taught to say it in school and if children don't learn the respect for our country and our flag when young, what is to happen when they get older?

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2011, 12:38:29 pm »
Thats How I Feel!We Can Teach Our Children ,Then Hope It Sticks!
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2011, 08:54:54 pm »
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Patriotism is considered a religion by many learnt people(Falc's clique  ) but don't take my word for it research yourself!!

If that's true, then by living in this country, taking in education from this country, taking a job in this country, paying taxes, watching/listening to our entertainment and news, adopting american values, being christian, etc. you technically belong to 2 religions. Congrats.

I don't sing songs about my country, carry a flag of my country, pray for the well being of my country, preach about my country and exclude my country from others as being the one true county or best.  If your argument was applied everyone has followed 2 religions.

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2011, 11:28:44 pm »
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I don't sing songs about my country, carry a flag of my country, pray for the well being of my country, preach about my country and exclude my country from others as being the one true county or best.

I don't do much of those either. Hell, I just hung out with 2 germans for an entire week and we talked about the pros and cons of both countries the majority of the time. It was fantastic! But we both live in this country. I appreciate it immensily and would fight for others to live the same way if need be. You, on the other hand, speak down upon it because it's not up to your religion's "Disney" standards.

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If your argument was applied everyone has followed 2 religions

That was my point.

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2011, 08:36:52 pm »
I Have One True Religion and even though im not a church going person im not going to commit blasphemy either(sorry if i spelled it wrong) i love my country but do not worship it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2011, 08:54:34 pm »
Under God is in the pledge because that was what our country was built upon.  Where do you think that our judicial system came from?  Honestly think, where would we have gotten understanding of or basic rights and wrongs if it were not from the ten commandments? 

The original pledge of allegiance never had the "Under God" part in it. That was added by President Eisenhower, along with the "In god we trust" printed on the bills. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
Our country was founded on freedom of religion. One of the hugest reasons why we had 13 colonies was because people branched out all over the new world because they were being KILLED in certain places for wanting to practice a different religion. We were not founded on Christianity and in fact, that annoys me greatly because it seems that nobody knows history anymore. If you look into it almost all of the founding fathers were DIESTS or ATHEISTS. The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson himself, made many a quotes about atheism and how he didn't like religion.
And also, people were around before Jesus and where do you think they got their ideas of right and wrong then? As society grows, it becomes common sense to do certain things and we don't need 10 commandments on stones to tell us. As we evolved we would have learned killing our own people was detrimental, that stealing from ourselves was detrimental, that fighting with ourselves was detrimental. All these things that we supposedly learned from religion, are just things our brains learned for themselves as they involved. In fact, even most lion prides, and other animal species, don't harm one another (unless it's for self defense) because they know that killing their own is not good for their species. And I don't think that they have a religion or a God that they talk to. It's called natural instinct.


Well said.
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2011, 08:11:26 pm »
People believe the "under god" part is no longer appropriate but yet money still says "in god we trust". I dont believe in god but I think the pledge should still be said or at least changed. We need patriotism!

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2011, 10:05:13 pm »
People believe the "under god" part is no longer appropriate but yet money still says "in god we trust". I dont believe in god but I think the pledge should still be said or at least changed. We need patriotism!


There are some who hold that there is circumstantial evidence of the "in god we trust" imprint on money being an insider Freemasonry jest. Others point to the phrase being conceived by Salmon P. Chase, the U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln, under a mistaken belief that no "nation can be strong unless it is a Christian nation." Since the Act of 1837 proscribed any mottoes other than those enacted, Pollock, (who became Director of the Mint), and his pals slipped in a seemingly innocuous amendment to the Act in the form of "An Act in Amendment of an Act entitled, 'An Act Relating to Foreign Coins and the Coinage of Cents at the Mint of the United States,' approved February twenty-one, eighteen hundred and fifty-seven," was passed by Congress on April 22, 1864.

That said, there remain many more Freemason symbols on U.S. currency than the ambiguous one-liner, (after all, it doesn't specify which "god" trust is placed in and only xtian hubris assumes it intends the xtian one).
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2011, 09:42:07 pm »
Sorry You Feel I Speak Down On My Country,Not My Intention At All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Was Only Saying I`m Not Going To Worship It ! Or Anything Else!  WOW! Talk About Putting Words In Ones Mouth! This Will Be My Last Post On This Subject!
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2011, 02:43:45 am »
Why not go back to the right one? Then maybe everyone could be happy. Probally not though.
Agreed! It should be optional. After all a lot of people have died to give us this right. Should we as a nation disregard them as well?

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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2011, 02:34:43 pm »
Little by little lets take everything away from this country that elicits pride, bravery, love, etc., for our country. Lets be like the nations that spit, march, burn, and dirty the American flag. Lets defame everything that made this country great and join those with a voice who want to destroy her. Destroying a country from within is so much more effective than waiting for someone to destroy from outside. Lets take away her citizens rights one by one.

Lets let other nationalities take over our cities and towns one by one and sit back and claim their right to do so. Lets hate all those who love this country and love God, because after all they are the enemy right? How dare they pray for God to heal America and make her fruitful, how dare they pray for the peace and wisdom for her leadership to lead with wisdom. Lets make sure that those same Christians are verbally assaulted when we get every chance and opportunity. Lets blaspheme the very God they serve, and poke fun at their faith. How dare they have something called "Faith" that they can't explain because it's supernatural and personal between them and their Creator. Lets make sure they are ridiculed for their belief in God and His Word, knowing that they will not ridicule back, but only stand up for the love they have for their Savior. How dare they!

Lets make sure that we throw our Nations morals out the window and adopt an "anything goes" attitude. Lets kill our unborn, take from the poor, give to the rich, call right wrong, and wrong right, lets oppress the innocent and pure in heart, Lets take prayer out of the schools, no Bibles either, lets take everything we can about God off our money, our Pledge, and anything else we can think of. In fact, lets start a movement that God does not even exist, and the Bible is nonsense. Lets argue every point of life, and explain away every miracle or call it a lie.

Then......when God turns His back on this Nation, lets blame everybody but ourselves when America falls.
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2011, 03:21:17 pm »
Little by little lets take everything away from this country that elicits pride, bravery, love, etc., for our country.


Or, we could just omit the inaccurate "under god" part of the pledge and retain any pride, bravery or love for our country.


Lets take away her citizens rights one by one.


What rights are being taken away by separating church and state?  The "right" to believe any superstitious nonsense one desires remains.


Lets let other nationalities take over our cities and towns one by one and sit back and claim their right to do so.


Is this passive-aggressive racism rearing it's superficial head?


Lets hate all those who love this country and love God, because after all they are the enemy right?


The two are not synonymous; its entirely possible to love this country without including superstitious beliefs.



Lets make sure that those same Christians are verbally assaulted when we get every chance and opportunity.


While we're at that sort of thing, let's make sure envangelical fundies spew lies, hatred and false claims while whining when these are challenged.


Lets blaspheme the very God they serve, and poke fun at their faith. How dare they have something called "Faith" that they can't explain because it's supernatural and personal between them and their Creator. Lets make sure they are ridiculed for their belief in God and His Word, knowing that they will not ridicule back, but only stand up for the love they have for their Savior.


What a load of disengenuous bunk that is.  If someone doesn't have the courage of their convictions to back them up with something other than "supernatural" "faith" and take a cowardly passive-aggressive stance in a public forum, consequences should be expected.  If not, they can always bury their heads in the metaphorical sand and keep posting to a public forum, (or, keep it to themselves).


Lets take prayer out of the schools, no Bibles either, lets take everything we can about God off our money, our Pledge, and anything else we can think of.


Those are excellent ideas; even if offered sarcastically. The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.


In fact, lets start a movement that God does not even exist ...


Alternatively, how about any movement from those who claim "god" does exist, sans evidence, to provide some directly-attributible evidence?


and the Bible is nonsense. Lets argue every point of life, and explain away every miracle or call it a lie.


Several people have been doing that for years, despite the lack of reasoning abilities in 'true believers'.

 
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Re: Pledge Of Alegiance !{Sorry If I Spelled It Wrong}
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2011, 03:24:42 pm »
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Little by little lets take everything away from this country that elicits pride, bravery, love, etc., for our country. Lets be like the nations that spit, march, burn, and dirty the American flag. Lets defame everything that made this country great and join those with a voice who want to destroy her. Destroying a country from within is so much more effective than waiting for someone to destroy from outside. Lets take away her citizens rights one by one.

Pride, bravery, and love should never be forced into an individuals mindset as it interferes highly with liberty. Education should be strongly encouraged as to why one should have love and respect for ones country, and arguably the PoA makes this education seem dull and mandatory. Not to mention the PoA can also be argued to be interfering with citizens rights, so your statement is sort of hypocritical.

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Lets let other nationalities take over our cities and towns one by one and sit back and claim their right to do so.

What are you? A white supremacist? This sounds extremely racist...and now I recall that you have been known to sport extreme racially-charged claims. What I quoted here has been happening since the founding of our country and yet here we are retaining pretty much the same rights (though far more technical than originally). Btw if you're an ounce Irish or Polish, you're being laughably hypocritical.

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Lets hate all those who love this country and love God, because after all they are the enemy right?

Uhhh...no? You have every right to believe what you want to believe. But if you're going to parade it and preach it as truth when you really have no foundation of proving it, expect flak.

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How dare they pray for God to heal America and make her fruitful, how dare they pray for the peace and wisdom for her leadership to lead with wisdom. Lets make sure that those same Christians are verbally assaulted when we get every chance and opportunity. Lets blaspheme the very God they serve, and poke fun at their faith. How dare they have something called "Faith" that they can't explain because it's supernatural and personal between them and their Creator. Lets make sure they are ridiculed for their belief in God and His Word, knowing that they will not ridicule back, but only stand up for the love they have for their Savior. How dare they!

Nice try trying to say the problem is with the people who aren't of your religion, when the very problem of why people disrespect your religion is because of snakes like you boasting and trying to slither your way into the government. What a fallacy. Here you are pushing your religion and crying afoul, but yet you do not respect others beliefs and instead make them look like what's ruining the country. How obtuse and contradictory.

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Lets make sure that we throw our Nations morals out the window and adopt an "anything goes" attitude. Lets kill our unborn, take from the poor, give to the rich, call right wrong, and wrong right, lets oppress the innocent and pure in heart, Lets take prayer out of the schools, no Bibles either, lets take everything we can about God off our money, our Pledge, and anything else we can think of. In fact, lets start a movement that God does not even exist, and the Bible is nonsense. Lets argue every point of life, and explain away every miracle or call it a lie.

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

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Then......when God turns His back on this Nation, lets blame everybody but ourselves when America falls.

It will be a great day in history when the ignorant and narrow voices are forgotten and civilization can proceed uninterrupted by uneducated contradictory fanatics like you.
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