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MessiahMews

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2011, 08:38:20 pm »
No way!  Never ever!

Don't do any vaccines for any reason.  Don't care what anyone says, I will REFUSE any and all shots.

Look up vaccine package inserts (Prescribing Information) to find out the ingredients and adverse reactions reported.

The ingredients, the adverse reactions and more are enough for us to run the other way.  Also look up the CDC Pink Book, list of vaccine Excipient.

To Admin:  These are CDC links, not referral links of any kind.

Current 2010 Vaccine List with included Excipients: (Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary, Part 2)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

Current 2006: Excipient Table list:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf

Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info
Compiled by Dawn Winkler
Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference
Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts
This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines


Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum
phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin

Act HIB
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal
medium: semi-synthetic

Attenuvax
Measles Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: chick embryo

DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate,
washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal
medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

Energix-B
Hepatitis B
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal
medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)

Havrix
Hepatitis A
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze),

polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

HibTiter
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal
medium: chemically defined, yeast based

Fluvirin
Influenza Virus Vaccine
Medeva Pharmaceuticals
1-888-MEDEVA
(716)274-5300
produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin,
thimerosal, betapropiolactone
medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)

FluShield
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A&B
Wyeth-Ayerst
1-800-934-5556
produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80,
tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal
medium: chick embryos

IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol
(antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M&M - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)



M-R-Vax
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: Measles - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Menomune
Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using thimerosal, lactose
medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis

Meruvax II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Mumpsvax
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Orimune
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin,
neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol
medium: monkey kidney cell culture

Pneumovax
Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types

Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)



Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium
ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red
medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells

Recombivax
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide
medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)

RotaShield
Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant
viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate,
potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B
medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line

Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)


Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit www.scorecard.org to investigate chemical profiles
Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical Encyclopdia)

Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B: MME definintion - "a drug used to treat fungus
infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects
include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and
fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."

Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists


Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems
On at least 5 federal regulatory lists

Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans

Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
immunotoxicant
neurotoxicant
reproductive toxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists
Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health

Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic

Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle
skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin

Neomycin: an antibiotic

Phenol: aka Carbolic Acid
EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant
developmental toxicant
gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
kidney toxicant
neurotoxicant
respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists

Phenoxyethanol: aka Antifreeze
EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant
reproductive toxicant
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems

Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium

Polymyxin: an antibiotic

Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system

Streptomycin: an antibiotic

Sucrose: refined sugar

Thimerosal: ethyl mercury
EDF Recognized - development toxicant
Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant

neurotoxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems
On at least 1 federal regulatory list



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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2011, 12:50:17 pm »
MessiahMews, you did your homework. There is a reason why we are made the way we are. Our bodies are made to fight off infection with naturally made antibodies. Anything foreign introduced into our bodies are just that....FOREIGN!

What is so disturbing about your list is the common use of human aborted fetal tissue. God forgive us!

I have been ever diligent about going all natural and buy only natural vitamins, etc. Eating as healthy as possible and  naturally detox. It's been expensive, but worth the effort as I find myself "coming back" to health and well being. It's not happening overnight, but each change I make takes me closer to feeling and looking better. It's an individual journey and there is no cookie cutter way for everyone. Each person has to do the homework and choose those natural alternatives for themselves. It's taken me a lot of trial and error, but I'm getting to know what works and what does not (for me).

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2011, 12:59:15 pm »
Nay if you have food allergies you can not get a flu shot.

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2011, 01:22:36 pm »
getting a flu shot for me and my 10 month old. stepdaughter wont be getting one because her grandmother is a little too homeopathic

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2011, 07:35:57 pm »
We never have and don't ever plan on it.

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2011, 07:38:20 pm »
NEVER!!!! :angry7:

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2011, 02:47:24 pm »
MessiahMews, you did your homework. There is a reason why we are made the way we are. Our bodies are made to fight off infection with naturally made antibodies. Anything foreign introduced into our bodies are just that....FOREIGN!

What is so disturbing about your list is the common use of human aborted fetal tissue. God forgive us!

I have been ever diligent about going all natural and buy only natural vitamins, etc. Eating as healthy as possible and  naturally detox. It's been expensive, but worth the effort as I find myself "coming back" to health and well being. It's not happening overnight, but each change I make takes me closer to feeling and looking better. It's an individual journey and there is no cookie cutter way for everyone. Each person has to do the homework and choose those natural alternatives for themselves. It's taken me a lot of trial and error, but I'm getting to know what works and what does not (for me).

Vaccine production is truly disgusting.  These "foreign" cells attach to our own cells and the body starts attacking the whole.  This is where most autoimmune diseases come from.

All one has to do is read the CDC Pink Book and ALL the package inserts of vaccines.  Do a google search on vaccine package inserts aka prescribing information, and you will find them.

Vaccines Grown on Aborted Fetal Tissue
The following vaccines are grown on aborted fetal tissue - rabies, some mumps, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis a, smallpox (some), ipv. One of the single measles vaccines is further attenuated in diploid cells

This can be seen in the package inserts - referred to as diploid cells


This info is from the Nursing 93 Drug Handbook published by the Springhouse Corporation.

"Rubella virus vaccone, live attenuated (RA 27/3)
Meruvax II

How Supplied:
Injection: single-dose vial containing not less than 1,000 TCID (tissue culture infective doses) of the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of rubella (virus propated in human diploid cell culture)"

"Poliovirus vaccine, inactivated (IPV)
Polivax
Polivax employs human diploid cultures."

"Rabies vaccine, human diploid cell (HDCV) Imovax"
From http://www.medaccess.com/cdcimun/Rubella/Rub1_02.htm The live rubella virus vaccine* currently distributed in the United States is prepared human diploid cell culture. In January 1979, this vaccine (RA 27/3) replaced the HPV-77:DE-5 vaccine grown in duck embryo cell culture because it induced higher seroresponse, greater resistance to reinfection, and lower reaction rate. Although both subcutaneous and intranasal administration of the vaccine have been studied, the vaccine is licensed only for subcutaneous administration. The vaccine is produced in monovalent form (rubella only) and in combinations: measles-rubella (MR), rubella-mumps, and measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccines. *Official name: rubella virus vaccine, live.

(3) MERUVAX II (Rubella Virus Vaccine Live, MSD), the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus grown in human diploid cell (W1-38) culture."

Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis;Inactivated Rubella Virus;Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines ; Amer J Dis Child Vol 118 Aug 1969

Dr. K McCarthy: It seems to me that there are two things that we worry about in regards to WI-38 cell substrate.First of all, presence of extraneous viral agents; secondly, the possibility of there being human genetic material passed over into the vaccine. I wonder if there is any information about the reasons for aborting that particular embryo that gave rise to WI-38; and if it was from a family, whether we have any information about siblings from the family and whether they are normal?

Dr.S Plotkin, Philidelphia:
I should like to answer Dr. McCarthy's question. This fetus was chosen by Dr. Sven Gard, specifically for this purpose. Both parents are known, and unfortunately for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, persumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children. There were no familial diseases in the history of either parent, and no history of cancer specifically in the families; I believe this answers Dr. McCarthy's question.

Attenuation Of RA 27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells; Amer J Dis Child vol 118 Aug 1969
Explant cultures were made of the dissected organs of a particular fetus aborted because of rubella, the 27th in our series of fetuses aborted during the 1964 epidemic. The third explant, which happened to be from kidney, was selected arbitrarily for further study.

Studies of Immunization With Living Rubella Virus ; Arch J Dis Child vol 110 Oct 1965 This fetus was from a 25 year old mother exposed to rubella 8 days after last menstrual period. 16 days later she developed rubella. The fetus was surgically aborted 17 days after maternal illness and dissected immediately. Explants from several organs were cultured and successful cell growth was achieved from lung, skin, and kidney. It was then grown on WI-38. This new vaccine was tested on orphans in Philadelphia.

Poliovirus Vaccine Inactivated PolioVax Source: 1996 PHYSICIAN'S DESK REFERENCE
The viruses are grown in human diploid (MRC-5) cell cultures, concentrated purified and inactivated with formaldehyde. Poliovax contains formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, traces of bovine serum and may contain trace amounts of streptomycin and/or polymyxin B and neomycin, the possibility of allergic reactions in individuals sensitive to these substances should be borne in mind when considering the use of this vaccine.

Bivax (Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live, MSD, U.S.P.)
Source: 1996 PHYSICIAN'S DESK REFERENCE
Bivax is a sterile lyophilized preparation of the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus grown in human diploid cell (WI-38) culture; and the Jeryl Lynn (B level) strain of mumps virus grown in cell cultures of chick embryo.



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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2011, 07:08:35 pm »
I've never gotten a flu shot before, and in my 25 years of living, I might have had the flu once. I'm always a little skeptical about vaccinnes, considering that they are putting the virus in you. I know the virus in most vaccinnes are dead, but still, it just creeps me out a bit. As my mom always says....."Don't fix it if it ain't broken", and my immune system seem to be working perfectly fine.  :heart:  :star:

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2011, 07:37:10 pm »
yes, we always get a flu shot

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2011, 07:43:14 pm »
The most revealing is what they have to disclose by law...

I ACTUALLY WALKED INTO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE
Tedd Koren, DC

The other day I walked into a doctor's office that was advertising flu shots and asked for a product insert for the 2011-2012 flu vaccine (Flulaval from GlaxoSmithKline.)

She handed me a CDC one page sheet urging all people to get the flu shot.  I said, 'Thanks, but can I get the actual paper that comes with the vaccines.''  She gave me an odd look (''Why would anyone want to read that?'') but went into the back and got me one.

Before I left I said to the MD, ''Did you know that there is mercury in the shots?''  ''No, I didn't know that,'' she said.  (Why should she know that, she only gives the shots.)

''You know if you vaccinate a pregnant woman the mercury can go through the placenta into the fetus,'' I said to her.

She said nothing.  I might have been speaking Klingon. Then again if we were Klingons the interaction may have involved high explosives and lots of bad language.  (Please forgive me, the other day I watched a Star Trek movie).

OK, back to the flu.  After I left her office I began to engage in an unnatural act, I actually read the product insert. The print was very small but I slogged through it.  These are quotes directly from the product insert.  Read them and be amazed (doesn't anyone actually read these?)

Does the flu shot protect someone from getting the flu?

''There have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FluLaval''

It's given to nursing mothers

''It is not known whether FluLaval is excreted in human milk , safety and effectiveness of FluLaval in pediatric patients have not been established.''

What's in the shot?

The virus is inactivated with ultraviolet light , followed by formaldehyde  disrupted with sodium deoxycholate  45 mcg. Hemagglutinin (HA) ' each dose contains 25 mcg mercury, the vial stopper does not contain latex.'' (Nice to know for those who are concerned about latex reactions).

Can it cause cancer or affect the reproductive system (what about the baby?)

''FluLaval' has not been evaluated for carginogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.''

Adverse events associated with influenza vaccines:  Anaphylaxis ,the 1976 swine flu influenza vaccine was associated with an increased risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS). Evidence of a causal relation of GBS with subsequent [influenza] vaccines is unclear.''

How long were the test subjects observed after vaccination to see if the flu shot caused long-term damage?

Individuals were observed for three days after the flu shot was administered in see if there were adverse reactions.

Postmarketing surveillance From the insert:

''Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size it is not always possible to reliably estimate their incidence rate or to
establish a causal relationship to the vaccine.''

''Lymphodenopasthy, eye pain, photophobia, dysphagia, vomiting, influenza-like symptoms, rhinitis, cellulitis, muscle weakness, arthritis, tremor, syncope, Guillain-Barre syndrome, convulsions, seizures, cranial or facial nerve paralysis (Bell's palsy), encephalopathy, limb paralysis.''

Cost

Fluarix (single dose) for ages 3 years and older. Multidose has Hg, single dose does not. Fluarix: $101.20 for ten single vial doses (approximately $10/shot cost to MD).

No mercury in single vials.

FluLaval Multidose: $70.80 for one vial of ten doses ($7.08 cost of one shot).  (Nice markup.  I bet CVS, Walgreens and the other big purchasers get even better prices).

Gary Krasner, Director
Coalition For Informed Choice



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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2011, 11:10:53 pm »
About half the time I feel like I'm getting a little sick, but I do my flu shot every year still. I've had this years just within the past week.

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2011, 03:18:03 am »
thats a definately NAY, last month i went to my doctor n she gave me the tdap n pneumonia shot. i was sick for two weeks, i had a cold and the flu, my sinus n alergies hit me at once. NAY NO THANX they done gave me the flu so whats the sense..... ???

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2011, 03:48:33 am »
The last time I had a flu shot I got very sick. I haven't had a flu shot for several years and fortunately have been fine. So will not be getting a flu shot anytime soon. :wave: :peace:
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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2011, 04:41:35 am »
Me:  Never get a flu shot, gotten the flu once in the past 10 years.
Other family:  No flu shot, same thing.
My Dad:  Gets the flu shot every year; gets the flu every year.

Enough said.

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Re: Flu Shots...Yea or Nay?
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2011, 07:15:59 am »
i hate shots so i say nah

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