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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2012, 07:07:07 pm »
- both parties hold firm to their belief
Atheist: I don't believe in God
Believer: I believe in God

The significant difference which continues to escape you is that disbelief is a lack of belief, it is not a "belief" itself.

It's not an absence of belief unless you're just a contrarian.

It's an absence of belief according to the definition of atheism, not 'contrarianism'.

This also describes the operations of Satan (Fallen Angel) who seek take Godís (recognition, subservient) glory by contrariwise attempts/means. As stated above with the atheist and the Believer.

However, you stated that "satan is the atheist god", which is false on two counts.  The first being that atheists believe in no "gods", by definition.  The second fallacy being that baseless beliefs, ("operations of satan" et al), derived from other baseless beliefs are merely second-generation nonsense.

Whatís up with your sidekick or as the earlier post stated Jr.

Falc, I shared an argument not my belief so make no assumption.
I expressed a simply reasoning that is viewed differently in your eyes and probably Jr's also.

In certain religions such as Christian and Islam the atheist is seen as the opposition, to sum it up;
One that serves Satan simply because there's no middle there's either one or the other.

Disbelief - is to reject a belief, why?
Because the individualís belief lies elsewhere
(Something has to influence disbelief thereís no absence of belief -that's soothsaying, fallacious)

Like I shared in both Christian and Islam there's no middle it's either A or B; God or Satan.
You likewise the atheist fall in one or the other, you're either hot or cold. It's pitiful to think there's a place for lukewarm.
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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2012, 07:36:15 pm »
Whatís up with your sidekick or as the earlier post stated Jr.



You don't do well responding to the context of a posted reply, do you?  As to your lame attempts at derrogatory remarks; there is no "sidekick" or "Jr." here - there are two separate members of FC who have been successfully challenging your fundie nonsense.



Falc, I shared an argument not my belief so make no assumption.



Your "argument" consisted of making irrational assertions which had no substantiation and stemmed from your religious beliefs.  No assumptions were made as this is based upon your own posted words, (making assumptions unneccessry).



I expressed a simply reasoning that is viewed differently in your eyes and probably Jr's also.



Your remarks were not consistant with "reasoning"; simple or otherwise.  They were merely baseless religious opinions and were challenged as such.  Apparently, you prefer to continue using illogic and nonreasoning instead of refutations using the alternatives.  So be it.



In certain religions such as Christian and Islam the atheist is seen as the opposition, to sum it up;
One that serves Satan simply because there's no middle there's either one or the other.



Since I'm neither xtian nor islamic, the skewed views of these 'religions' do not apply to actual facts.  The cognizant fact in this context is that atheists neither serve nor worship "satan" or any "gods", 'archangels' or stuffed animals.



Disbelief - is to reject a belief, why?



Thos question has already been addressed however, for those who are paying attention: a belief can be rejected, (disbelieved), on the basis of no evidence to support the asserted belief.


Because the individualís belief lies elsewhere



Not necessarily.  It as possible to hold no unfounded 'beliefs' as it is to hold alternative unfounded beliefs.  Your characterization of fallicious non-reasoning as "reasoning" is a false one.


(Something has to influence disbelief thereís no absence of belief -that's soothsaying, fallacious)



The absence of belief results from the absence of evidence to support that belief.  This is termed as "disbelief", not "soothsaying", (which has a completely different meaning).

 

Like I shared in both Christian and Islam there's no middle it's either A or B; God or Satan.



The skewed belief systems do not apply to me since I'm neither xtian nor islamic, (as previously stated).  Therefore, it is not a matter of "A or B"; option 'C' = not believing either mythology.



You likewise the atheist fall in one or the other



That is faulty 'reasoning'; atheism is not a belief and is not a subset of other beliefs - it is a rejection of those belief systems on the basis of a lack of supportive evidence for the claims made under those beliefs.



you're either hot or cold. It's pitiful to think there's a place for lukewarm.



Your critical thinking skills appear to be absent; there is of course, a range of temperatures between "hot" & "cold" which includes "lukewarm".  The analogy therefore fails and with it, your arguement.
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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2012, 10:23:54 pm »
I like how you two report each other, yet still continue posting non-sense in a thread that has nothing to do with your argument. Cut it out or get the ban hammer. Also, if you want to squabble, go make a thread in the Debate and Discuss and you two can continue on without cluttering the off topic board.

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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2012, 10:41:34 pm »
I like how you two report each other, yet still continue posting non-sense in a thread that has nothing to do with your argument. Cut it out or get the ban hammer. Also, if you want to squabble, go make a thread in the Debate and Discuss and you two can continue on without cluttering the off topic board.




Will do and sorry about the clutter.
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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2012, 10:34:26 am »
I like how you two report each other, yet still continue posting non-sense in a thread that has nothing to do with your argument. Cut it out or get the ban hammer. Also, if you want to squabble, go make a thread in the Debate and Discuss and you two can continue on without cluttering the off topic board.

yes staff is here to put there foot down... thank you kohler ^^

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Re: THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS
« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2012, 12:10:10 pm »
yes staff is here to put there foot down... thank you kohler ^^



Even though he didn't refer to you by 'nym, the context makes it clear he was referring to you too; which makes your comment somewhat ironic.
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