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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #180 on: February 26, 2012, 10:18:52 am »
I don't like Fox news because they blatantly lie. Union members protested in Madison, WI. Fox news reported "riots". The footage shown had Palm trees in the background... You know, the kind of trees that grow commonly in Wisconsin.

That was B roll footage regarding union protests and introduced as "all over the country".  It was never presented as being from Madison, WI., there was footage from Madison labeled "Madison, WI." and footage from elsewhere labeled "Union Protests".  This was a segment covering the anger in Union Protests and not simply union protests in Madison.

So, after reviewing all the facts we are left with one conclusion.  Anyone who falsely made the claim that Fox presented this as Madison, WI footage is either really really simple minded or they are lying or they were intentionally deceived by someone else into believing it and are thus gullible for not checking sources.  Take your pick and let me know which fits you and which fits the source you got it from.
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #181 on: February 26, 2012, 10:49:51 am »
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Could we agree that a socialist wouldn't like Fox News because it tends to voice capitalism?

Sure, but they probably wouldn't like it due to the old conservative qualities rather than the capitalist qualities moreover since those are usually first to stick out.

Okay, no argument here.

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Every bit of statistics I see from reliable sources rate Fox News as a very reliable news source.
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Again this is very unlike you to post a claim without supplying a source.

I haven't seen studies showing that Fox is reliable mainly due to the massive amount of flak it gets for the inconsistencies. I had supplied info earlier but it was just directed at Sigi. And I've been trying to cut down on posting links in general just because another member said I post too many :-/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=media-bias-presidential-election
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies

I wasn't aware of complaints about your links and that explains why it seemed unusual to me.

No complaint with the scientificamerican claim, although I would like to see more of the base values it was drawn from because frequency becomes relevant in cases like this when establishing a pattern.  Omitting frequency does raise concerns for suspect presentation.  Also the time frame is somewhat limited in this section and there were still many disappointed and angry Hillary supporters about so I feel where it could well be accurate it is an incomplete snapshot but likely relevant to that period.

Fair is a liberal organization and biased so heavily as to be completely worthless.

No real complaints with the wiki information and I don't see how that necessarily discredits Fox in any way.  There is enough information to source everything to find out what claims or statements are biased for or against Fox.  I don't really think someone would just believe every word posted there and under that assumption I am fine with the page.

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There is a reason for this, and it is a type of bias.  I suppose an "evil environmentalist" would be a better choice than an abortion doctor for my point, but that was the first thing that came to mind.  Personally I think it was a bit of  high brow humor on Eric's part and if you have never watched much of him you wouldn't tend to appreciate his animated style.  Generally when I watch him I know he is going to make a point but he is going to exaggerate and actually make the example humorous and enjoyable.  That doesn't discredit the basic truth of what he says though.  The point he was making was that it is a type of indoctrination set at the young.  It might seem rather timid to you, but the prevalence of such things in kids programming and education does indoctrinate them into a mindset of a tendency to think in one way.  They are being taught that being rich and successful, and being skilled and performing well at a task is a bad thing.  They are being taught that being ineffective and impotent in capability are perfectly acceptable.  These things are subtle and incapable of penetrating the established thoughts of most adults, but children are impressionable and shouldn't be forced to choose a side on a matter that is out of their element of understanding or appreciating.

This is simply not true. If there ever was an underlying message in kid's media, it's generally just about being cautious to avoid large problems (thinking ahead) or caring about the environment. Kids are not taught to fear success. If they were, the main characters would never succeed in their task. Almost all story-oriented media follows an old pattern of getting struck with a problem, finding a way to solve that problem, refining the skill to defeat the problem, tackling it, and then learning the moral at the end. Even Spongebob does this (...usually...).

Kids are impressionable, but any 'secretive theme' in media will usually pass right over their head. One could argue that Super Mario is promoting communism because he looks like Stalin and at the end of each level he lowers a peace flag, walks into the castle, and raises a red star. But no kid is going to grow up and become a communist or sport comrade ideals because of that. To them a cigar is just a cigar.

I thought more about this and I realized the bias stereotyping isn't just limited to rich and successful.  There is the traditional bias of nearly every educated junior officer in a war movie being some sort of idiotic 'bad' character.  Perhaps it is just a villain tendency of what types are easier to hate and used strictly for that purpose.  I don't like this type of manipulation though and I don't find it helpful to society.  I don't think that kids should be nudged towards any cause or crusade and should simply be left alone to be kids.  Educate them, do not indoctrinate them as the later is counter to the former.

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I think if you removed the silly sound effects it would have been perfectly fine, and fairly accurate, but with the sound yeah I did laugh.

Glad you did. I have sort of a love-hate relationship with Anonymous and have a friend who loosely associates with them (though she's far from unstable). They can be major idiotic trolls, but at the same time they do target things that I deem acceptable like Scientology, Ebaumsworld, Westboro, etc. It really just depends on the target. I have $10,000 worth of scientology information because of them hacking and spreading it across the net. Did you know Jesus got his powers from touching a crashed UFO? It's true!

I am similar about liking some things they do and disliking others.  I know hackers that just like the art of the game, but there are others who are fueled by hate and inferiority that are prevalent in that area for some reason or other.

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Union members protested in Madison, WI. Fox news reported "riots". The footage shown had Palm trees in the background... You know, the kind of trees that grow commonly in Wisconsin.

I've been to Madison and I must say I've always admired those trees in the coldest of winters.

See my reply to sigmapi1501 above about how that was misrepresented.
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #182 on: February 26, 2012, 12:34:37 pm »
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That was B roll footage regarding union protests and introduced as "all over the country".  It was never presented as being from Madison, WI., there was footage from Madison labeled "Madison, WI." and footage from elsewhere labeled "Union Protests".  This was a segment covering the anger in Union Protests and not simply union protests in Madison.

So, after reviewing all the facts we are left with one conclusion.  Anyone who falsely made the claim that Fox presented this as Madison, WI footage is either really really simple minded or they are lying or they were intentionally deceived by someone else into believing it and are thus gullible for not checking sources.  Take your pick and let me know which fits you and which fits the source you got it from.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!
C'mon! There is a huge protest in Madison (none of which was violent) Fox shows RIOT FOOTAGE and it wasn't intended to be presented as going on in Madison???? They had no intention of making people think that this what was currently taking place in Madison at the time? Get Real!  That is comical.  You are keep digging. You're so far underground it's getting funnier.

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #183 on: February 26, 2012, 05:22:12 pm »
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That was B roll footage regarding union protests and introduced as "all over the country".  It was never presented as being from Madison, WI., there was footage from Madison labeled "Madison, WI." and footage from elsewhere labeled "Union Protests".  This was a segment covering the anger in Union Protests and not simply union protests in Madison.

So, after reviewing all the facts we are left with one conclusion.  Anyone who falsely made the claim that Fox presented this as Madison, WI footage is either really really simple minded or they are lying or they were intentionally deceived by someone else into believing it and are thus gullible for not checking sources.  Take your pick and let me know which fits you and which fits the source you got it from.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!
C'mon! There is a huge protest in Madison (none of which was violent) Fox shows RIOT FOOTAGE and it wasn't intended to be presented as going on in Madison???? They had no intention of making people think that this what was currently taking place in Madison at the time? Get Real!  That is comical.  You are keep digging. You're so far underground it's getting funnier.

Watch the whole segment, and not some excerpt of a part of it.  I cannot see how anyone could conclude that it was taking place in Madison if they actually watched the segment.  The only person that could possibly conclude that is someone who watched the Media Matters abbreviated edit of the segment.  You say you don't hold MSNBC as creditable but that edit footage you speak of comes from the people who write for MSNBC, and that is Media Matters.
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #184 on: February 26, 2012, 05:24:55 pm »
Ron Paul should be the one, but if he doesn't get the nod he will be the candidate for the Independent nomination. either way he'll get my vote

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #185 on: February 27, 2012, 10:18:30 pm »
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No real complaints with the wiki information and I don't see how that necessarily discredits Fox in any way.

...Really?

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I thought more about this and I realized the bias stereotyping isn't just limited to rich and successful.  There is the traditional bias of nearly every educated junior officer in a war movie being some sort of idiotic 'bad' character.  Perhaps it is just a villain tendency of what types are easier to hate and used strictly for that purpose.  I don't like this type of manipulation though and I don't find it helpful to society.  I don't think that kids should be nudged towards any cause or crusade and should simply be left alone to be kids.  Educate them, do not indoctrinate them as the later is counter to the former.

This is just basic storytelling though! The "junior officer" example you gave is nothing more than a loss-of-innocence quality given within the story-- some people feel sympathy for the character, others outright hate him. A perfect example is Upham from Saving Pvt. Ryan. This is character stereotyping. Doing this is hundreds (if not thousands) of years old. It's not manipulative unless a person needlessly lets it be. And these are the people making up and complaining about stupid things like the prime examples I made in my posts above instead of concentrating on the main and (usually) simple message of the story-- something that kids do concentrate on.

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #186 on: February 27, 2012, 11:32:22 pm »
After watching fox news over the last 20 + years, it's easy to declare they are bought and paid for by the elite corporate Republican engine controlling government.  Too bad they won't defeat OBama  again the next election.  Just shows the few real Working Americans that still vote outnumber the crooked bought votes by the corporate elite.

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #187 on: February 28, 2012, 03:53:32 am »
After watching fox news over the last 20 + years, it's easy to declare they are bought and paid for by the elite corporate Republican engine controlling government.  Too bad they won't defeat OBama  again the next election.  Just shows the few real Working Americans that still vote outnumber the crooked bought votes by the corporate elite.

What sort of being are you to have been able to watch it for four + years longer than it has been broadcasting?  Defeat Obama again?  Certainly you posses some strange powers to have witnessed them do this when nobody else has.  Are you a time traveler?  Do you possess precognitive powers? Delusional?  Or are you just a poor liar that doesn't think before you make statements?
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #188 on: February 28, 2012, 03:56:51 am »
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No real complaints with the wiki information and I don't see how that necessarily discredits Fox in any way.

...Really?

Yes, with sourcing indicated it is easy to track which of the bits of information presented are controversial.  One can readily dismiss statements by Media Matters and Fair (not saying they cannot accidentally tell the truth sometimes but just that one knows they will deliberately lie so there is no sense in taking anything they say from them). 
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #189 on: February 28, 2012, 07:44:32 am »
Hey Abrupt, 20+ years means I've seen that propaganda channel as long as I can remember it being on.  Not able to defeat Obama again, means they won't defeat him this election, just like they didn't defeat him last election.  You really are a loser dude.  BIG TIME..  If you can't chat with a civil tone, then crawl back under your hole.

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #190 on: February 28, 2012, 09:20:05 am »
Hey Abrupt, 20+ years means I've seen that propaganda channel as long as I can remember it being on.  Not able to defeat Obama again, means they won't defeat him this election, just like they didn't defeat him last election.  You really are a loser dude.  BIG TIME..  If you can't chat with a civil tone, then crawl back under your hole.

I have no problems conforming to the standards of civility but you forfeit such niceties when your opening statement is a lie.  If you meant longer than you could remember you should have said that instead of posting easily verified false information.  If you meant they wouldn't be able to defeat him this election then you should have said that instead of saying they wouldn't be able to defeat him again (very different meanings between those two).  So let me get this straight, I am a loser for catching you spinning yarns and I am uncivil for calling you on it?  If that is the case then perhaps I should proudly change my handle to "The Uncivil Loser" because I will certainly call out you liberal grunts when you spew such cheap nonsense without even doing basic fact checking.
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #191 on: February 28, 2012, 09:48:09 am »
Like I said, crawl back under your hole.  Loser

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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2012, 10:31:15 am »
Like I said, crawl back under your hole.  Loser

I don't really know that it is possible to crawl under a void.  I am familiar with "crawl back under your rock" and "crawl back in your hole" but your phrase is new to me.  I am still curious as to how I suddenly become a 'Loser' for identifying your deception.  What exactly have I lost at?
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #193 on: February 28, 2012, 01:54:58 pm »
Hey Abrupt,   You really are a loser dude.  BIG TIME..  If you can't chat with a civil tone, then crawl back under your hole.


The level of irony present in the above would be astounding were it not so obvious.
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Re: Who do you think should win the Republican nomination?
« Reply #194 on: February 28, 2012, 02:22:52 pm »
glad I could make you laugh and cringe at the same time.  Who should win the republican nomination?  I don't think it really matters this time around.

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