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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2012, 09:57:17 pm »
It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss.  Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.

Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses.  And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.

With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him.  Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to.  As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him.  If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice.  But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.

A very fine post, sir.The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)

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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2012, 10:12:12 pm »
The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.

Conversely, the behaviour of several self-professed xtians on FC has been insulting to persons able to use their minds & reasoning abilities, (as opposed to relying upon blind faith and demonstrating a lack of such abilities).

It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.

Apparently, it's too difficult for some some the more fundamentalist religious adherents to resist evangelizing even out of context.  Abuse?  What abuse, you false martyr?

It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)

It can be adaquately demonstrated that you, "jedijonnie", are a blatant liar.  Since atheism is not a 'belief system', there aren't any "beliefs" to beat over believers heads.  On the contrary, these numerously repeated "simple mentions of the bible and faith" do constitute 'beating those who do not believe such nonsense over their heads'.  Obviously, this simple concept is 'over the head' of a fundie liar.
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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2012, 08:17:47 am »
A very fine post, sir.The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)

I have to cry foul on you for that nonsense filled hypocrisy above.
"It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality." Really? That was the 'mentality' behind the topic: "Mods need to do something about falcon9" which ran on for 10 pages/136 replies, the last being from Admin when he locked it? This exhibits "live and let live"?

How about the apparent joy you, and others of your ilk, took in posting about putting him on "ignore"? Here is just one, of many, comments from you regarding that: "Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:" Yes, I can most definitely see the compassion and tolerance for those who think/believe in a manner different from your own. ::)

There's that funny little bit of history coming to mind right now ie the Roman's persecution of Christians. Going by your words posted above, the Romans were only practicing live and let live, so I don't know why it was even included in the history of the world and it's religions.

I am able to count from memory less than 10 members of FC who have made it apparent through their writings that they are atheist and/or agnostics - there is a difference in case you do not know that also. Counter that with 100's of Christians like you, yet our tiny 'force' of atheists/agnostics are making your lives so miserable on FC? Seems to me, we [apparently] have far more power over you all then we ever realized! It is also very apparent which Christians are strong enough in their faith to D&D religious topics without picking up their toys and running away to hide when ideas/beliefs are challenged and/or questioned. You must NOT be very strong in your faith if you have to resort to the gang mentality when you cannot come up with a valid answer.

Live and let live.....as long as it is within the boundaries you set. We appear to be the 'big dogs', so choose which seat you want to watch from while you're on the porch. :P
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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2012, 08:29:49 am »
My husband and I are anti-religion. While others have their religious holidays we celebrate for a good reason other then a  :bs: one. You celebrate your fiction while we will celebrate Spring and all that it offers.

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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2012, 03:12:29 pm »
The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)

I have to cry foul on you for that nonsense filled hypocrisy above.
"It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality." Really? That was the 'mentality' behind the topic: "Mods need to do something about falcon9" which ran on for 10 pages/136 replies, the last being from Admin when he locked it? This exhibits "live and let live"?

How about the apparent joy you, and others of your ilk, took in posting about putting him on "ignore"? Here is just one, of many, comments from you regarding that: "Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:" Yes, I can most definitely see the compassion and tolerance for those who think/believe in a manner different from your own. ::)

Thank you for providing the specific evidence which supports the assertion that this particular fundie prefers to forget his own lies and has quite the fondness for them.

There's that funny little bit of history coming to mind right now ie the Roman's persecution of Christians. Going by your words posted above, the Romans were only practicing live and let live, so I don't know why it was even included in the history of the world and it's religions.

I am able to count from memory less than 10 members of FC who have made it apparent through their writings that they are atheist and/or agnostics - there is a difference in case you do not know that also. Counter that with 100's of Christians like you, yet our tiny 'force' of atheists/agnostics are making your lives so miserable on FC? Seems to me, we [apparently] have far more power over you all then we ever realized! It is also very apparent which Christians are strong enough in their faith to D&D religious topics without picking up their toys and running away to hide when ideas/beliefs are challenged and/or questioned. You must NOT be very strong in your faith if you have to resort to the gang mentality when you cannot come up with a valid answer.

Live and let live.....as long as it is within the boundaries you set. We appear to be the 'big dogs', so choose which seat you want to watch from while you're on the porch. :P
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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2012, 05:29:11 pm »
The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.

Conversely, the behaviour of several self-professed xtians on FC has been insulting to persons able to use their minds & reasoning abilities, (as opposed to relying upon blind faith and demonstrating a lack of such abilities).

It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.

Apparently, it's too difficult for some some the more fundamentalist religious adherents to resist evangelizing even out of context.  Abuse?  What abuse, you false martyr?

It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)

It can be adaquately demonstrated that you, "jedijonnie", are a blatant liar.  Since atheism is not a 'belief system', there aren't any "beliefs" to beat over believers heads.  On the contrary, these numerously repeated "simple mentions of the bible and faith" do constitute 'beating those who do not believe such nonsense over their heads'.  Obviously, this simple concept is 'over the head' of a fundie liar.

Your posts are numbered in the order you posted them

1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd.  True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up
 to a blue sky do you?

2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)

3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.

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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2012, 06:18:07 pm »
1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd. 

Perhaps if others were to use what minds and reasoning skills they possess instead of utilizing their foreheads as a method to keep their eyebrows separated from their hairlines, they wouldn't misperceive logic as 'beating on' their illogic.  As far as dictionary definitions go, no matter how disputed the etymology of words is, (what they mean), language consists of a consensus so that people are able to communicate using it.  Were *bleep*-nilly personal reinterpretations countering consensual definitions to run rampant, you'd get sentences like 'gfiddimi hajexcy uta mengfluxo idbigop.'  There is no possibility of refuting that assertion without replying in similar 'gobbledy-gook'.

True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up to a blue sky do you?

No faith is required for that; besides, we could wake up to partly cloudy or overcast skies, (where I'd be nonplussed and you'd have a failure of 'faith' that the skies would be blue). If the skies are cloudy, your faith that they'd be blue is blind.

2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)

Westboro Baptist church baptists.  Islam. Mormonism. 

3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.

I disagree; beliefs aren't a necessary requirement to define all 'isms'.  There are such philosophical schools of thought as Humanism, (which does not include supernatural or, natural beliefs), Epicureanism, Socraticism, Nilism, and atheism.
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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2012, 09:40:52 am »
Comment on the use of "xtian" for "Christian":

"Christos is the New Testament Greek for Christ. The first letter of the Greek word Christos is transliterated into our alphabet as an X. That X has come through church history to be a shorthand symbol for the name of Christ.

The idea of X as an abbreviation for the name of Christ came into use in our culture with no intent to show any disrespect for Jesus. The church has used the symbol of the fish historically because it is an acronym. Fish in Greek (ichthus) involved the use of the first letters for the Greek phrase “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.” So the early Christians would take the first letter of those words and put those letters together to spell the Greek word for fish. That’s how the symbol of the fish became the universal symbol of Christendom. There’s a long and sacred history of the use of X to symbolize the name of Christ, and from its origin, it has meant no disrespect."

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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2012, 12:28:58 pm »
Comment on the use of "xtian" for "Christian":

"Christos is the New Testament Greek for Christ. The first letter of the Greek word Christos is transliterated into our alphabet as an X. That X has come through church history to be a shorthand symbol for the name of Christ.

The idea of X as an abbreviation for the name of Christ came into use in our culture with no intent to show any disrespect for Jesus. 

Commentary on comments regarding "xtian":

First off, "jesus" wasn't a xtian.  Secondly, the "x" has been linked to the "cross", (as the actual form of the crucifiction device, rather than the 'cross shape'/upright 'x').  The remainder is fairly accurate.
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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2012, 07:33:03 pm »
1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd. 

Perhaps if others were to use what minds and reasoning skills they possess instead of utilizing their foreheads as a method to keep their eyebrows separated from their hairlines, they wouldn't misperceive logic as 'beating on' their illogic.  As far as dictionary definitions go, no matter how disputed the etymology of words is, (what they mean), language consists of a consensus so that people are able to communicate using it.  Were *bleep*-nilly personal reinterpretations countering consensual definitions to run rampant, you'd get sentences like 'gfiddimi hajexcy uta mengfluxo idbigop.'  There is no possibility of refuting that assertion without replying in similar 'gobbledy-gook'.

True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up to a blue sky do you?

No faith is required for that; besides, we could wake up to partly cloudy or overcast skies, (where I'd be nonplussed and you'd have a failure of 'faith' that the skies would be blue). If the skies are cloudy, your faith that they'd be blue is blind.

2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)

Westboro Baptist church baptists.  Islam. Mormonism. 

3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.

I disagree; beliefs aren't a necessary requirement to define all 'isms'.  There are such philosophical schools of thought as Humanism, (which does not include supernatural or, natural beliefs), Epicureanism, Socraticism, Nilism, and atheism.

1.  A good teacher wouldn't use their knowledge to intentionally beat on them, there's a way of teaching them without doing so it's called tact, when teachers teach on said subject they don't beat their students over the head.

2. More examples on true faith, I applied for a job I had faith i'll get the job and I got it after I filled an application of course.  I have  faith that if I post at least 35 posts i'll get $3. Assurance of the things hoped for though not beheld(Hebrews 11:1)

3. I'm sad that you didn't include mine anyway Islam is one of the biggest faiths in the world, I think westboro's are a pariah to their own faith(baptists) as for mormons only missionaries preach which has no scriptural basis.

4. Epicureans are deists try again, atheism is the belief in no God under the mask of "proof" that they're is no God because you have faith that there's nothing outside the material universe I don't know nilism to be honest and socrates was somewhat in the middle according to what I found on google that makes him agnostic was is also a believe practiculary God may exist but I need more proof

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Re: Will You Be Attending Church Service on Easter Sunday?
« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2012, 07:55:25 pm »
1.  A good teacher wouldn't use their knowledge to intentionally beat on them, there's a way of teaching them without doing so it's called tact, when teachers teach on said subject they don't beat their students over the head.

There's an implicit assumption being made in your comment which doesn't necessarily apply here.

2. More examples on true faith, I applied for a job I had faith i'll get the job and I got it after I filled an application of course.  I have  faith that if I post at least 35 posts i'll get $3.

Neither of those is an example of 'faith' having any effect on the result, (getting a job relies upon being qualified; an unqualified person will not normally get the job, no matter how much 'faith' they have).  Receiving a posting bonus on FC is a matter of making qualified posts; again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with 'faith' expectations, (since I and others have received the $3 bonus without any 'faith' required).

3. I'm sad that you didn't include mine anyway Islam is one of the biggest faiths in the world, I think westboro's are a pariah to their own faith(baptists) as for mormons only missionaries preach which has no scriptural basis.

I assume you meant JWs?

4. Epicureans are deists try again ...

A deist believes in a deity; belief in a supernatural being is an aspect of religion.

... atheism is the belief in ...

No, a disbelief is not, itself, a belief, (since those are mutually-exclusive terms).


... no God under the mask of "proof" that they're is no God because ...
[/quote]

Requesting that others who claim there is a 'god' provide evidence to support their claim is not a "mask of proof that (there) is no god".  If someone claims overtly that there is no 'god', the burden of proof is on that claimaint.

you have faith

No, I don't employ 'faith' in perceiving reality as it is, as much as is possible.

... that there's nothing outside the material universe

There is currently no accurate way to determine that, (include speculating about supernatural 'causes').

 
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