Is Obama the Second Coming?

[falcon9]

After you've been dead  for some two thousand years, do you think anyone is going to be able to prove by any reliable means that "falcon2" himself said any of the things others said he said in the FC forums?   

While "Falconer02" had a very good reply to this, I just wanted to add a point.

Presumably, you're referring obliquely to an extended version of the "telephone game"; specifically, that hearsay testimony is unreliable?

[sigmapi1501]

Applying this, I am always frustrated not knowing the precise methods of how the pyramids were actually built.  

I consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.

[ULuvCeCe]

Applying this, I am always frustrated not knowing the precise methods of how the pyramids were actually built.  

I consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.

LOL thanks for admitting it. Inside all of us there is one lingering thought or another!

[Falconer02]

consider myself moderately intelligent however, I am sad to admit I REALLY think Aliens built the Pyramids.

This belief is actually more common than you think, so in no way do I think you're nuts for believing it considering some of the evidences I've seen presented in the past (for instance the precision that the blocks are carved and laid-- not to mention the weight). What really killed the aliens concept for me was scientists were studying the pyramid from the inside and found areas that were built extremely poorly and the main architects of the time must have known this as the weak areas were jury-rigged. Those repairs remain there till this day. If it were ET's, they must have done a pretty shabby job building it if there were internal errors. I'd expect more from a species who can travel the stars!

My friend and I are always arguing over this though. I'm one to believe it was built internally and the current evidences show that this is the most plausible method. That and it seems the healthiest method as it kept the workers away from the sun and thus cooled them. However my friend keeps attempting to refute the claims saying 20-30 years ago, the best archaelogists and architects believed it was built with that 1-way-sloped road design (push stones up half a mile) and only now is it different. Ehh...I could be wrong, but I guess I just like to go with the most rational answer with the fewest holes in it. Either way (aliens or internal construction), it's fascinating to think about.

[dmahoney]

Oh, lets hope not or we are all doomed.

[SherylsShado]

falconer02...?    falcon9...?    anyone else...?

I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist?   I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".

[Falconer02]

I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist?   I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".

Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.

[falcon9]

I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist?   I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".

Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.

Exactly.  There's a difference between theoretical speculations, (based upon extrapolating from at least some evidence), and having "faith" based upon no evidence.  Such "goldilocks" planets may theoretically support life however, no one has yet presented evidence that they do.  The Drake equation provides for possibility and even probability but, an equation is not direct evidence.  I therefore agree with you and disregard the attempt to equate 'awaiting evidence' with 'religious faith'.

[SherylsShado]

I'm just curious... what 'reliable means/substantial evidence' is there that extra-terrestials exist?   I've heard somewhere before that if you believe in something 'sans any evidence, that constitutes gullibility' so I hope you have some real credible evidence and not just "faith".

Considering we've discovered goldilocks planets, recognized the vast size of our universe, created the Drake equation, etc. it's highly likely that there is other life out there. I just can't say who/what/where they are if they do exist. It's a big "I don't know" due to the lack of evidence, but it's very fun to speculate.

I think it's fun to speculate about it too, and see how even "extra terrestials" are in the Bible.  This site doesn't have the best information that I've seen but it does give alot of verse references if one wants to check it out and see how according to the Bible, "aliens" have been around since Bible days. http://proofofgodsexistence.com/documents/10.Aliens.or.Nephilim.pdf

[SherylsShado]

I therefore agree with you and disregard the attempt to equate 'awaiting evidence' with 'religious faith'.

Of course you do. 

May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.

[falcon9]

May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.

Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence.  How long do you need?  Forever? The best that's been presented so far is Thomas Aquinas' sophist arguments and the shroud of Turin; the former having been soundly refuted and the latter being an inconclusive potential hoax.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/scams/shroud_of_turin/index.html

[SherylsShado]

May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.

Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence.  How long do you need?  Forever? The best that's been presented so far is Thomas Aquinas' sophist arguments and the shroud of Turin; the former having been soundly refuted and the latter being an inconclusive potential hoax.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/scams/shroud_of_turin/index.html

The Bible says not even the angels know the time or the hour, so why would you be asking me how "long do I need"?  Personally, I don't need any more time...I'm ready to go right now. 

I think the question should be, how long do you need (and realize that the Lord doesn't "set His watch" by your timetable).

[falcon9]

May I remind you that the 'Christian faith' is also still 'awaiting evidence' ...as the 'last card has not been dealt yet'.

Ya'll have had over 2,000 years to cough up some evidence, any evidence.  How long do you need?  Forever?  

The Bible says ...

Invalid source.
 

I think the question should be, how long do you need (and realize that the Lord doesn't "set His watch" by your timetable).

No, the question remains; if there is no timetable to produce evidence then over 2,000 is considered to be sufficient time to have done so.  It is unreasonable to expect to wait forever, (or indeterminately), just to dodge the requirement of producing evidence to support religious claims.
Further, I didn't call on some hypothetical "lord" as a witness, I asked if you could provide evidence to support your claims.  If you can, I asked that you produce it.  If you cannot, a simple 'no' would have sufficed, (rather than shifting the burden of proof onto a hypothetical 'deity').  So, that question remains unanswered; if you have evidence to support the claims you're making now, can you produce it?

[hawkeye3210]

Would someone just ask a magic 8-ball already? I inquiring minds want to know the answer.

[falcon9]

Would someone just ask a magic 8-ball already? I inquiring minds want to know the answer.

I gave that a whirl using a friend's 8-ball.  The answer was, "ask again later."  The question was asked again after an interval of 'later' and that answer was, "Cannot predict now."

Here's an oline version though:

http://www.indra.com/8ball/front.html