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sigmapi1501

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Answer this one Fundies.......
« on: April 27, 2012, 12:16:39 pm »
Ok, so God created the Earth. 6,000 years ago right?  SO.......

Who created God???   That's a BIG BANG... choke on that

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2012, 12:18:06 pm »
Also, (according to scientists) if the sun is a star, how come it's circle!? POW!

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 12:22:07 pm »
The God folk can back up and say well, how could there go from being nothing to something. Well, how could there go from no God to God?  I wonder who God's God is???  I bet it's Chuck Norris

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 01:58:04 pm »
Ok, so God created the Earth. 6,000 years ago right?  SO.......

Who created God???   That's a BIG BANG... choke on that
I am no fundamentalist, but what created the matter to make the 'big bang'?

It is against the laws of conservation of mass to create mass out of nothing. 

Not saying a 'God' created the universe, but each theory is equally implausible based on physics.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 02:03:23 pm »
The God folk can back up and say well, how could there go from being nothing to something. Well, how could there go from no God to God?  I wonder who God's God is???  I bet it's Chuck Norris

He (Chuck) gets MY vote! Although others might like to argue it would more likely be Steven Seagal.  :dontknow:
                    
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 02:33:38 pm »
I am no fundamentalist, but what created the matter to make the 'big bang'?

It is against the laws of conservation of mass to create mass out of nothing. 

Not saying a 'God' created the universe, but each theory is equally implausible based on physics.

Physicists and othes are constantly coming up with revised theories regarding that subject matter, (pun intended).  From superstring theories to the various emergent phenomenon hypothesis, none of those require a supernatural 'god' creator.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 03:25:18 pm »
Ok, so God created the Earth. 6,000 years ago right?  SO.......

Who created God???   That's a BIG BANG... choke on that
I am no fundamentalist, but what created the matter to make the 'big bang'?

It is against the laws of conservation of mass to create mass out of nothing.  

Not saying a 'God' created the universe, but each theory is equally implausible based on physics.

All right, I will for the sake or argument concede that God created the matter for the Big Bang. Now Who created God?

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 03:43:40 pm »
I'm no "fundie" either...but I do enjoy fun.

@duroz---that is one funny cat picture, a little "sick" but cats will be cats no matter the circumstance.  (your photo made me laugh...thanks, I needed that!!)

@Chuck Norris vs. Steven Seagal:  I would think Chuck Norris wins the above since he's a 'devout Christian' and Steven killed 'Jesus's dog. 

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris
(excerpt) Norris is a devout Christian and politically conservative. He has written several books on Christianity and donated to a number of Republican candidates and causes. In 2007 and 2008, he campaigned for former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who was running for the Republican nomination for President in 2008. In the 2012 election he endorsed former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.  Norris also writes a column for the conservative website WorldNetDaily.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-death-of-puppy-in-filming-54894/
(excerpt) The veteran actor of action films in the 1980s and 1990s has been accused of killing the 11-month-old dog belonging to Jesus Sanchez Llovera while conducting the raid on the Arizona resident’s home.





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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 03:55:36 pm »
All right, I will for the sake or argument concede that God created the matter for the Big Bang. Now Who created God?

The ancient Aegyptians had the original dodge around that conumdrum; they merely posited that some of the "neteru", ('gods' & goddesses'), were self-created.  Sure, it's circular reasoning and with which I don't concur however, allegedly 'eternal' beings supposedly don't need to be created by anything else since they are assumed to have always been there, (again, another circular argument).
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 04:24:53 pm »
@duroz---that is one funny cat picture, a little "sick" but cats will be cats no matter the circumstance.  (your photo made me laugh...thanks, I needed that!!)

Yeah I know...it IS kind of sick....but you're right it's funny!
I forgot I had it, and "re-discovered" it when I was looking for a pic for my signature area.....

Glad I could give you a laugh when you needed it! :thumbsup: :wave:
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 04:40:51 pm »
Ok, so God created the Earth. 6,000 years ago right?  SO.......

Who created God???   That's a BIG BANG... choke on that

I am familiar with this '6000 years' you speak of, but you do realize that is nowhere in the bible.  I have seen the genealogy and various breakdown tables and such used to construct a chronology of events so as to build an estimate time table, but I think anyone trying to construct a time line based off this may not be appropriately considering all that should be considered.  For those who don't believe in the Bible to attempt to use it as an argument to construct such a dating is silly and entirely pointless.  I believe in God and read the bible and other scripture and I don't see anything about the earth being 6000 years old in it .

God wasn't created, he always was.  I wouldn't spend much time puzzling on that as it isn't something we could ever understand.  To be more precise, we think in terms of 'time' and duration, but such things are properties of our universe that appeared after it's origin.  If you ascribe to the "big bang", then time arose after it did, and mentioning events before the big bang is problematic as one will find it difficult to describe 'before' when there is no 'time'.

So far there are no theories put forth by scientists that could qualify any of the questions that would arise about the creation of the universe without bringing up more questions than the answers they provide.  None of the existing theories (that I am aware of anyways) work within an empty set.  Unless you can demonstrate a way to separate nothing into a negative and positive part of equal (but opposite) values, with substantial properties associated with each of them and the capability that they do not readily reform and neutralize themselves, then I feel any theories could never qualify as "everything from nothing".
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 05:41:54 pm »
When posed with the question "Could God create a boulder so large that he could not lift it" the most common answer given was "Why would he need to prove he could lift it"

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 10:53:46 am »
Psh!  He's just always existed, duh!!  And you can't prove he hasn't!!! 

(Don't I sound like a little kid defending my own made-up rules in some fantasy game?)

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 11:20:41 am »
Psh!  He's just always existed, duh!!  And you can't prove he hasn't!!! 

(Don't I sound like a little kid defending my own made-up rules in some fantasy game?)

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Consider the example I hinted at above with the "Big Bang Theory" (I don't know if you ascribe to that theory or not, but as an example I will use it).  If something existed prior to the big bang (which is certainly plausible even considering the big bang) then by our definitions of this universe the only way to describe such a thing would be to say "it always was".  One couldn't say "it was there for ten thousand years prior" (as an example) or anything like that as there was no time previous to the big bang.  I don't know what your particular beliefs are about the origin of the universe, but I am just giving you some examples of basic physics that might help to clarify a description of "always was".
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 12:34:49 pm »
God is the great uncaused cause.Everything has a beginning,but God trandsends space and time because He created it.He's Eternal-the Alpha and the Omega.

As Abrupt so aptly put it,it's a far more logical concept than the "big bang thoery" which suggests the universe was created from....I dunno....something.

A creation must have a creator.An effect must have a cause.

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