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North Carolina... Why?
« on: May 08, 2012, 07:13:43 pm »
First in Flight, last in progress.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/north-carolina-voters-banned-gay-marriage-civil-unions-011158194.html

Outlawing same sex marriage wasn't enough for these homophobes... they wanted to bury the chance of their state to ever come to their senses.

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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 09:55:22 pm »
First in Flight, last in progress.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/north-carolina-voters-banned-gay-marriage-civil-unions-011158194.html

Outlawing same sex marriage wasn't enough for these homophobes... they wanted to bury the chance of their state to ever come to their senses.

There must be some explanation for why their necks are red - most of them do wear hats after all ...
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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 06:42:40 am »
First in Flight, last in progress.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/north-carolina-voters-banned-gay-marriage-civil-unions-011158194.html

Outlawing same sex marriage wasn't enough for these homophobes... they wanted to bury the chance of their state to ever come to their senses.

There must be some explanation for why their necks are red - most of them do wear hats after all ...

You need to do some examination of voter data before making such specious claims.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 08:43:36 am »
I saw this yesterday, and it made me very sad.  This shouldn't be happening in 2012.  I don't think states should be allowed to make their own laws that blatantly deny civil rights.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 09:03:02 am »
I saw this yesterday, and it made me very sad.  This shouldn't be happening in 2012.  I don't think states should be allowed to make their own laws that blatantly deny civil rights.

These are not civil rights, they would actually be more along the lines of denying civil privileges.
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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 09:54:44 am »
Judging from the usual misguided and uninformed, North Carolina is probably full of fundamentalists who are completely out of date with the world. This is pretty sad news, but I speculate it will eventually do nothing but damage the state's reputation through time.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 10:16:51 am »
Judging from the usual misguided and uninformed, North Carolina is probably full of fundamentalists who are completely out of date with the world. This is pretty sad news, but I speculate it will eventually do nothing but damage the state's reputation through time.

Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?  They voted on how they felt about it, and it is now Law.  Such is the way of Democracy, unless protected under the Republic.  In this case they decided to not bestow upon gay's additional privileges, but they haven't denied them of anything as they can still get married (they just cannot redefine what marriage means to include additional things).
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 10:45:19 am »
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Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?

Just the base facts- Homosexuality is natural and seen throughout the animal kingdom, it's not wrong even if it seems to be abnormal behavior, etc. Informing them on that and coupling it with telling them to not base their vote upon irrational authority and popular culture/prejudices probably would have made this vote more interesting. However I am glad this was decided by the people and not a couple of grumpy old guys in office. Still, "Only 46 percent of voters realized that the amendment would ban civil unions for gay couples as well as marriage".  :(

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 12:45:09 pm »
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Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?

Just the base facts- Homosexuality is natural and seen throughout the animal kingdom, it's not wrong even if it seems to be abnormal behavior, etc. Informing them on that and coupling it with telling them to not base their vote upon irrational authority and popular culture/prejudices probably would have made this vote more interesting. However I am glad this was decided by the people and not a couple of grumpy old guys in office. Still, "Only 46 percent of voters realized that the amendment would ban civil unions for gay couples as well as marriage".  :(

While I have no particular opposition to allowing civil unions personally if a state wishes to, I am simply not an advocate of it. 

Homosexuality isn't natural at all.  I am aware of some studies claiming it to be normal behavior in the animal kingdom, but I consider these to be biased and unscientific studies that generally confuse what they are seeing (domination acts as homosexuality), and as a simple example most everyone is familiar with, male dogs humping each other is entirely domination behavior and not sexual.  I suppose you would consider incest natural too, since these same studies highlight the acts of incest within these animal communities such 'studies' were observed on, commenting on how the 'cute little ones' eagerly participated too.  Personally I find the entire matter rather disgusting and depraved, but if it is what you like then I suppose that is your business, just don't try to push it on me as if it is something natural or desirable.
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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 12:59:25 pm »
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Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?

Just the base facts- Homosexuality is natural and seen throughout the animal kingdom, it's not wrong even if it seems to be abnormal behavior, etc. Informing them on that and coupling it with telling them to not base their vote upon irrational authority and popular culture/prejudices probably would have made this vote more interesting. However I am glad this was decided by the people and not a couple of grumpy old guys in office. Still, "Only 46 percent of voters realized that the amendment would ban civil unions for gay couples as well as marriage".  :(

While I have no particular opposition to allowing civil unions personally if a state wishes to, I am simply not an advocate of it. 

Homosexuality isn't natural at all.  I am aware of some studies claiming it to be normal behavior in the animal kingdom, but I consider these to be biased and unscientific studies that generally confuse what they are seeing (domination acts as homosexuality), and as a simple example most everyone is familiar with, male dogs humping each other is entirely domination behavior and not sexual.  I suppose you would consider incest natural too, since these same studies highlight the acts of incest within these animal communities such 'studies' were observed on, commenting on how the 'cute little ones' eagerly participated too.  Personally I find the entire matter rather disgusting and depraved, but if it is what you like then I suppose that is your business, just don't try to push it on me as if it is something natural or desirable.
How exactly, would allowing same sex marriage between two consenting adults be pushing it on you?

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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 01:42:38 pm »
Not that I like the prospect of allowing same-sex marriage, but the only real consequence of allowing it will be the sharp increase in divorce lawyers entering the field.  Being a guy, I like women (especially my wife) and am therefore not into marrying a guy.  But If you are, cool with me.  I don't hate.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 01:53:41 pm »
Judging from the usual misguided and uninformed, North Carolina is probably full of fundamentalists who are completely out of date with the world. This is pretty sad news, but I speculate it will eventually do nothing but damage the state's reputation through time.

Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?  They voted on how they felt about it, and it is now Law.  Such is the way of Democracy, unless protected under the Republic.  In this case they decided to not bestow upon gay's additional privileges, but they haven't denied them of anything as they can still get married (they just cannot redefine what marriage means to include additional things).

YES MISGUIDED!!!  46% of the people who voted DID NOT know that it would ban civil unions.

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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 02:41:11 pm »
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While I have no particular opposition to allowing civil unions personally if a state wishes to, I am simply not an advocate of it.  

Fair enough.

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Homosexuality isn't natural at all.  I am aware of some studies claiming it to be normal behavior in the animal kingdom, but I consider these to be biased and unscientific studies that generally confuse what they are seeing (domination acts as homosexuality), and as a simple example most everyone is familiar with, male dogs humping each other is entirely domination behavior and not sexual.  I suppose you would consider incest natural too, since these same studies highlight the acts of incest within these animal communities such 'studies' were observed on, commenting on how the 'cute little ones' eagerly participated too.

I have heard this argument from fundamentalists throughout my entire life (especially with the dog and horse examples). In those cases, it can be a form of dominance (though one can also argue some sexual behavior does involve dominance no matter the genders). But you do not account for the other 1000+ studies involving things such as placing electrodes on the uterus's of two female monkeys and monitoring the contractions they give each other. They are obvious forms of pleasure that are documented. Birds can form homosexual bonds that are sometimes life-long. Overall heterosexual or homosexual behavior in all animals (us too) serves a huge variety of social and psychological aspects, and simply saying it's all about dominance is a bit ignorant of everything else. If it's seen and documented in nature numerous times, it's natural behavior.

Comparing it to incest is a strawman argument and I'm kind of surprised you wouldn't catch it in your example- incest can produce damaging problems genetically and therefore is undesirable in procreation. It can hurt the baby. Incest is mostly seen between an adult and a child, so again, it could be argued that an innocent is harmed (rape). Homosexuality is completely consensual and does not allow for procreation or forced relations, therefore cannot be directly compared to incest.

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Personally I find the entire matter rather disgusting and depraved, but if it is what you like then I suppose that is your business, just don't try to push it on me as if it is something natural or desirable

I hate to dive into personal aspects, but just between us dudes- if you ever masturbated to hot lesbians before, your argument is completely hypocritical.  ;)

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How exactly, would allowing same sex marriage between two consenting adults be pushing it on you?

In the same sense that allowing blacks to vote would be pushing it on a white person.
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Re: North Carolina... Why?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2012, 07:30:00 pm »
I find it so interesting that the fact that homosexuality exists is for some people "pushing" it on them. I would love an explanation of what exactly that means. How is homosexuality "pushed" on anyone. People living their lives as everyone had a right to do doesn't push anything on anyone. It would be far better if people were a little more honest and told the truth that the fact that homosexuals exist bothers them. Period. That seems to be the criteria for "pushing".

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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 09:22:22 pm »
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Misguided and uninformed?  What is it they need to be informed about in order to be able to make their own decisions?

Just the base facts- Homosexuality is natural and seen throughout the animal kingdom, it's not wrong even if it seems to be abnormal behavior, etc. Informing them on that and coupling it with telling them to not base their vote upon irrational authority and popular culture/prejudices probably would have made this vote more interesting. However I am glad this was decided by the people and not a couple of grumpy old guys in office. Still, "Only 46 percent of voters realized that the amendment would ban civil unions for gay couples as well as marriage".  :(

While I have no particular opposition to allowing civil unions personally if a state wishes to, I am simply not an advocate of it. 

Homosexuality isn't natural at all.  I am aware of some studies claiming it to be normal behavior in the animal kingdom, but I consider these to be biased and unscientific studies that generally confuse what they are seeing (domination acts as homosexuality), and as a simple example most everyone is familiar with, male dogs humping each other is entirely domination behavior and not sexual.  I suppose you would consider incest natural too, since these same studies highlight the acts of incest within these animal communities such 'studies' were observed on, commenting on how the 'cute little ones' eagerly participated too.  Personally I find the entire matter rather disgusting and depraved, but if it is what you like then I suppose that is your business, just don't try to push it on me as if it is something natural or desirable.
How exactly, would allowing same sex marriage between two consenting adults be pushing it on you?

I am not sure that it would, but I don't understand the relevance of your question to my post.  Are you asking me to develop an opinion about some question you have regarding the matter?  Please clarify as your question makes no sense in regards to the quoted post.
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