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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2012, 12:52:36 pm »
Although it didn't happen to me personally ( I don't need to experiment), I know a young man with which a gun was aimed at his head, and the trigger was pulled, but the bullet didn't penitrate. He has the mark on the side of his head to prove it and I saw it . While this was going on, his mom was on the phone praying for him, not even knowing this was going on. He went to the hospital to get checked out, and was released because the doctors found nothing wrong with him. You can't tell me prayer doesn't work, just like I can't tell you what to believe.

While it's understandable for a 'believer' to "believe" that an intercessory magical ritual, ("prayer"), had some sort of unspecified causal connection to a mis-aimed weapon, (or a particularly hard skull/skewed trajectory), attributing such an incident to the intercession of a hypothetical supernatural being isn't a rational conclusion.
I can respect your viewpoint, however, based on my own life and personal experiences, I can say without a doubt that prayer works and is not a "magical ritual" as you stated.


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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2012, 12:57:40 pm »
My husband is a deputy, actually Sergeant of the night shift in the county.  I watched all sorts of horrid videos of what could happen.  If you know the Lord, Jesus, you can rest assured that nothing can happen to him without His allowance....The possibility of him dieing just driving to the store is probably greater than trouble because of his job.  Don't forget, he does have a gun! =)  Honestly, I don't wish to make light.  Trust him to God's care and trust him there.  Cover him in prayer and don't worry...it won't change anything anyway.

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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 01:32:48 pm »
I can respect your viewpoint, however, based on my own life and personal experiences, I can say without a doubt that prayer works and is not a "magical ritual" as you stated.

Making 'non-causal' connections and attributing effects to the cause of "prayer" based upon ancedotal testimony does not constitute evidence that "prayer works".  Since you've also contended the underlying meaning of the concept, a comparion example is warranted.

Magical intercessory rituals include: silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another.

Intercessory Prayer: silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another.

Some rituals, (generally not the more mundane ones), include the silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another. These rituals are dependent upon the 'belief' that such supernaturals being enjoined to intercede exist and are able to be enticed.  Therefore, such "prayers" are magical intercessory rituals.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 03:32:37 pm »
I'm sure he'll okay.

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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 04:41:32 pm »
Thank you EVERYONE for your prayers, I pray all te time and prayers REALLY do work for sure!!!!!  :thumbsup:  :wave:

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Re: AGAIN please pray!!
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2012, 04:51:54 pm »
I pray all te time and prayers REALLY do work for sure!!!!! 

Making 'non-causal' connections and attributing effects to the cause of "prayer" based upon ancedotal testimony does not constitute evidence that "prayer works".  Simply attributing a cause to an effect does not establish such an attribution as a cause.

Magical intercessory rituals include: silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another.

Intercessory Prayer: silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another.

Some rituals, (generally not the more mundane ones), include the silent or spoken incantations intended to encourage the intercession of a supernatural entity, either on behalf of the one performing the ritual or, another. These rituals are dependent upon the 'belief' that such supernatural entities enjoined to intercede actually exist and are able to be enticed.  Therefore, such "prayers" are magical intercessory rituals lacking substantive evidence linking their performance to any particular effects.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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