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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 05:31:38 pm »
Of course falcon9, the most religious person here, would have to chirp in as well. 

Since I don't adhere to any religion, (nor is 'atheism' presumptively a "religion", despite your disproven contentions to the contrary), you're barking up the wrong tree chasing those elusive "squirrels" of yours.

You preach more than anyone I know ...

You've mispelled the word "teach" however, neither is that my primary intention.

... and yet you still have the nerve to accuse others of "obsessive and compulsive bible-thumping". 

Since there is an overwhelming amount of archived evidence to support that contention, it becomes conclusive and not merely an accusation.

That you are so blind in your faith ...

It's almost humorous of you to project your on blind faith in religion onto someone who holds no religious beliefs and therefore, no blind faith in them.  If this is another example of your self-touted "superior critical thinking skills", it serves instead as evidence to the contrary.
 
... that you cannot see what you do is the most hysterically funny thing I can imagine.  You are the butt of your own joke.

The irrational misperceptions of a blind-faither such as yourself carry no weight.
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2012, 07:23:26 pm »
Is that all he ever says, "haters gonna hate?"  Not exactly the height of eloquence, not what you might call a towering intellect.  It might not be a bad idea if he attended some classes in preparation for his G.E.D. tests.  Bon chance, mon frere!

Actually that's all I ever say to you,since you basically do nothing but put down people of Faith without even the pretence of understanding what the heck you're talking about.That makes you simply a "hater".And if there's one thing to be learned around here.....


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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 07:30:23 pm »
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There was nothing sick about this.  You must understand the relationship between this event and Jesus.

According to the biblical story, God commands Abraham to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice. (Genesis 22:5 and 22:8). After Isaac is bound to an altar, the angel of God stops Abraham at the last minute, saying "now I know you fear God." At this point Abraham sees a ram caught in some nearby bushes and sacrifices the ram instead of Isaac.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac

If you consider this to be a truthful story or one of ancient mythology, no matter how much you try to throw technicalities in (as you did here), it still shows a god who demands sacrifice, so if you wish to go into it, let me stress emphasis on that major point. The fact that people who follow and preach this story shows a strange satisfaction with delusional and barbaric thinking. Perhaps they completely ignore the obvious immoral behavior and rather focus on the timeline of events that follow.

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I don't really understand why those that do not believe in the bible and apparently haven't studied it to any degree would spend so much time speculating and making uneducated guesses about what something is or isn't or means or doesn't.

I had taken a course on religions a while back and this story was brought up while studying the OT. The teacher asked an odd question to one of the students who was a professed christian--
if he would sacrifice his sons or daughters if he had heard god tell him to. He happily replied "Of course" which followed with the majority of the class staring at him strangely. One person spoke up a few seconds later saying that his response was immoral, and I agreed completely. That's when I realized how poorly this story is constructed as far as having a good deity.

"Kill your son! lol jk! This little show is just a parallel of things to come!"

Fortunately such delusional behavior today is met with punishment-
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-03/justice/children.slain_1_deanna-laney-jury-rules-god?_s=PM:LAW

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Normally such obsessions are called addictions, are they not -- regardless they are certainly unhealthy and unproductive

The attempt at a personal attack aside, I'm a moral critic of this sort of stuff when it's brought up. If it's a tale of any sorts, I like to improve it (friends who write scripts for example). Certainly there's nothing unhealthy or unproductive of spotting immoral behavior that's being promoted, dontcha think? It makes for a good discussion.

You don't understand the scripture.  You don't see the relevance to Jesus.  Was Issac sacrificed?  You don't understand the scripture and its meaning and yet you readily make judgements about it and attempt to cast insults at those that do believe and understand it.  You don't even care if you show your ignorance either but you still fill somehow qualified to label the event as sick and to attach such a vile interpretation on those who believe.  

That was less of a personal attack than your attempts to insult and ridicule me for my beliefs.  One such as you that takes nearly every opportunity to engage in such things should not wear their heart on their sleeves.  I can hardly believe the hypocrisy you demonstrate here to make such a claim.  Purely irrational, self delusional, and ridiculous.


For the sake of the 2 people who can't figure out the subtext of the story of Abraham & Issac,God "tested" Abraham's faith,not because He didn't know if Abraham would obey(or for random kicks and giggles),but as a prophecy that He would offer His own Son (Jesus) as the Ultimate Scarifice for Sin.This shouldn't have been too difficult to understand to all the "scholars" we have here....
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 07:32:53 pm by JediJohnnie »

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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 07:38:11 pm »
... the subtext of the story of Abraham & Issac,God "tested" Abraham's faith,not because He didn't know if Abraham would obey,but as a prophecy that He would offer His own Son (Jesus) as the Ultimate Scarifice ...

Presumably, the mispelled word was "sacrifice", (rather than some bizarre xtian scarification practice)?  Nevertheless, the entire religious concept of 'soteriology', (in context), rests completely upon the alledged basis of 'salvation' which is supposedly 'grace through faith', (wherein "faith" has no rational basis due to being bereft of evidence). 
                                       
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 08:03:14 pm »

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For the sake of the 2 people who can't figure out the subtext of the story of Abraham & Issac,God "tested" Abraham's faith,not because He didn't know if Abraham would obey(or for random kicks and giggles),but as a prophecy that He would offer His own Son (Jesus) as the Ultimate Scarifice for Sin.This shouldn't have been too difficult to understand to all the "scholars" we have here....
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This is your own thoroughly naive and simplistic interpretation of these passages, or, more likely, the interpretation as related to you by your local shaman.

Your constant repetition of hatred indicates to me that anyone who doesn't indulge in your specific type of self-delusion is then automatically a hater.  Your constant obsession with hatred causes me to wonder if some form of psychological counseling might not be appropriate for you and, further, shows your exemplary character as a christian.  I have no doubt you would willingly and happily sacrifice your own son. 

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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2012, 08:38:17 pm »
Normally such obsessions are called addictions, are they not -- regardless they are certainly unhealthy and unproductive ...
... the scripture ... my beliefs ... Purely irrational, self delusional, and ridiculous.

{sequential semi-contextual quoting done to emphasize a previous point}

Do you really want to play this game with me?  This isn't the first time you have misquoted me and presented it as if it was genuine, in fact I think it is the third or fourth time you have resorted to such forms of deliberate dishonesty.  The only point you are presenting here is the depths you would take to formulate a lie about another -- is that really what you want everyone to learn?

I am quite sure that deliberately misquoting someone is not something allowed on these forums, and it isn't something that I will tolerate again, so take heed.
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 09:03:24 pm »
Of course falcon9, the most religious person here, would have to chirp in as well. 

Since I don't adhere to any religion, (nor is 'atheism' presumptively a "religion", despite your disproven contentions to the contrary), you're barking up the wrong tree chasing those elusive "squirrels" of yours.

Certainly it is a religion, and your colorless cat fallacy will not work to convince me otherwise.  You have never disproved that it is a religion and every scrap of evidence you presented I countered with even more and additional evidence that you could only disregard since you couldn't contest it. 

You preach more than anyone I know ...

You've mispelled the word "teach" however, neither is that my primary intention.

You misspelled the word 'misspelled' lol, and you do preach here at every opportunity you can and it is only your blindness that prevents you from recognizing this -- and you call those with faith, 'blind'.

... and yet you still have the nerve to accuse others of "obsessive and compulsive bible-thumping". 

Since there is an overwhelming amount of archived evidence to support that contention, it becomes conclusive and not merely an accusation.

You 'thump' your bible more than anyone here and your conduct and actions are most definitely obsessive and compulsive.  A person cannot mention faith or prayer without you proving absolutely true the extent you will go to to preach and thump your religion over theirs.

That you are so blind in your faith ...

It's almost humorous of you to project your on blind faith in religion onto someone who holds no religious beliefs and therefore, no blind faith in them.  If this is another example of your self-touted "superior critical thinking skills", it serves instead as evidence to the contrary.

I can only assume you misspelled 'own' above (correcting you since you corrected others rudely earlier and implied error in my correct word).  You are so blind in your faith that you don't even recognize it as such.  You lack the critical thinking skills necessary to follow out your conclusions to the end and to contrast and compare that to what you posit about others.  In order to be able to challenge someone and claim them wrong in the manner that you do then you must know with certainty that they are absolutely wrong, and if you cannot demonstrate this then you are relying on faith. 
 
... that you cannot see what you do is the most hysterically funny thing I can imagine.  You are the butt of your own joke.

The irrational misperceptions of a blind-faither such as yourself carry no weight.


I would wager that I am far more rational than you and there is a funny "if only you knew" part to this that I would reveal had this place been not so hostile.  I don't 'pretend' my beliefs and actions and faith to be anything different than what they are.  I am also not blind in my faith as you seem to only be capable of understanding such a thing as faith.  I can realize your confusion about it requiring blindness, especially since you don't recognize it in yourself.  That makes it even more laughable in that the way you have focused upon attacking faith so strongly in others and yet you are entirely blind in that everything you accuse and attempt to insult and belittle others of is the exact image you are presenting to everyone of yourself.  I am not saying this simply to trade words with you but out of genuine sincerity.  If you have someone you trust to be partisan have the evaluate your posts for you and they will most likely tell you the same thing as I just did.  I take the time to tell you this as you have the dogged potential to be an achiever and a doer but you are crippling your own capabilities with this blindness and self delusion.
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2012, 09:23:55 pm »
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Perhaps he's unintentionally emphasizing that obsessive and compulsive bible-thumping is unhealthy and unprodictive, instead of applying more productive critical thinking skills to the dubious collection of documents

I could agree, but I honestly doubt that's the case considering what Abrupt wrote below your post. However if this is also a vague compliment, I thank thee.

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Of course falcon9, the most religious person here, would have to chirp in as well.  You preach more than anyone I know and yet you still have the nerve to accuse others of "obsessive and compulsive bible-thumping".  That you are so blind in your faith that you cannot see what you do is the most hysterically funny thing I can imagine.  You are the butt of your own joke.

Ah! The ol' "atheism is a religion cuz I say it is!" belief rears it's illogical head once more.

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You don't understand the scripture. You don't see the relevance to Jesus.  Was Issac sacrificed?  You don't understand the scripture and its meaning and yet you readily make judgements about it and attempt to cast insults at those that do believe and understand it.  You don't even care if you show your ignorance either but you still fill somehow qualified to label the event as sick and to attach such a vile interpretation on those who believe.  

Ah yes. I don't understand it the way you interpret it, because I see the obvious immoral behavior of the god (and Abraham to boot) in this story and you ignore it in favor of parallels to later myths. If you fail to see the moral dilemma, I could bring up a couple of others that deal with this god committing genocide just to pound the point in. Though I imagine in your eyes I will fail to understand the scripture in those cases too, right? If so, Falcon9 was aware of the same problem when he directed the pic of the horse with the blinders your way. No matter how much you want to argue, the argument for the abrahamic god being immoral and malevolent is a very strong one even in this one story.

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That was less of a personal attack than your attempts to insult and ridicule me for my beliefs.  One such as you that takes nearly every opportunity to engage in such things should not wear their heart on their sleeves.  I can hardly believe the hypocrisy you demonstrate here to make such a claim.  Purely irrational, self delusional, and ridiculous.

Please explain how people, such as yourself, believing in and promoting a god who commands human sacrifice and a man who blindly obeys such commands is not irrational, self delusional, and ridiculous. Perhaps then you will have a valid point. It is important for all of us to question things that seem wrong. This is how our morality progresses for the better.
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 10:32:55 pm »

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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2012, 12:39:54 am »
{sequential semi-contextual quoting done to emphasize a previous point}

Do you really want to play this game with me? 

I was merely 'playing' the same type of misquoting game which you've plied in various previous threads for the first time, (the only difference here being that I quoted your actual posted words from a single post you made - as opposed to your fabricating things I never posted and then falsely attributing some unreferenced interpretation to something I never stated).  See the difference?  I didn't think so.

This isn't the first time you have misquoted me and presented it as if it was genuine ...

That was no "misquote"; those are your words, excerpted from a single recent post, in this thread.  Before you harp on that "excerpted" bit, if you cannot remember your own post, scroll down through this thread and perhaps discover that it was you who initially used those words to falsely characterize an opponet's position.  Since you have done this several times before, (a contention which can be supported by the archived message IDs of posts in which you did so - unlike your contention, which lacks such uninterpreted objective evidence), a one-time return-to-sender of your "deliberate dishonesty" and attempt to "formulate a lie" was posted.  Unless you can produce exact quotes, in context, to
support your contention that I've done what there is evidence of you doing, that would constitute another lie on your part.  Got quotes?

...in fact I think it is the third or fourth time you have resorted to such forms of deliberate dishonesty. 

Prove your allegations with exact, contextual quotes and so will I, (you get to go first because you were the first to make such specious allegations).

I am quite sure that deliberately misquoting someone is not something allowed on these forums, and it isn't something that I will tolerate again, so take heed.

It may well be, (although an FC moderator would have to determine that, if applicable).  As for taking "heed"; there's a sublime irony and a certain hypocrisy to your warning.  Ponder it or not, xtian.
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2012, 12:45:50 am »


What, organised atheism?  I don't belong to, nor particate in, any such thing.  This is as opposed to (dis)organised "religion", which does and apparently keeps on insisting upon the logical fallacy of proving/disproving a negative assertion, (e.g., 'prove santa claus doesn't exist' would require an orbital and ice-sounding search of the entire north pole which, upon completion, would have negative results challenged by 'true believers' anyway).
                                     
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2012, 12:04:13 pm »
Atheism has a symbol now?
*looks online and sees dozens of random ones*
I choose this one!



*trollface*
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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2012, 01:04:43 pm »
Atheism has a symbol now?
*looks online and sees dozens of random ones*
I choose this one!


*trollface*

That's probably a closer fit than using using this one as an 'atheist' symbol:

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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2012, 08:15:44 pm »
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HA! I'd wager most religious folk would have to say that's what atheism represents. Me? Looks like a power-up from


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Re: Christian inspiration
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2012, 08:25:12 pm »
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http://i49.tinypic.com/29eoc48.gif

HA! I'd wager most religious folk would have to say that's what atheism represents. Me? Looks like a power-up from



In a way, it could be however, most religious adherents would be more likely to make other erroneous assumptions about teh symbol.
*chuckle*
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