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kingozzy

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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 06:11:24 am »
Obamacare is a joke in my opinion


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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 07:25:58 am »
I hope that it is overturned.  Our insurance has went up and the benefits keep going down..

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 08:01:52 am »
It is humanity's responsibility to help those in need....whether it's food or medical. There's no reason at all why one human being on this planet should have to go hungry or not get the medical attention that's desperately needed.  :fish:

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 02:34:43 pm »
There's no reason at all why one human being on this planet should have to go hungry or not get the medical attention that's desperately needed.  :fish:

Apparently, there's at least two reasons; lack of funds and lack of charity.
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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 04:55:05 pm »

    Health Law starts at home: Take good care of yourself and your love ones.

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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 05:34:47 pm »
I hope it is overturned.  :angry7:

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 06:02:35 pm »
I hope it is overturned.  :angry7:

So does the heathcare industry, if it means a loss of revenue.
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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 08:04:13 pm »
There's some parts I like, others are don't....interestingly enough, I used to think it was great that kids could stay on their parents insurance until they're 26, then I realized that I would get my own insurance when I got a job......perhaps it's a cop out for a lack of jobs?

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2012, 09:06:32 am »
Our family falls in the cracks of healthcare. He does not get it on the job and I am a student and we make too much to qualify for Medicaid. It would be nice to have options.
It's not going to give you "options." It just says that you have to have healthcare, whether you can get it or not. If you don't somehow get it, you'll have to pay a fine at the end of the year when you do your taxes.

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2012, 09:10:45 am »
I hope it is overturned.  :angry7:

So does the heathcare industry, if it means a loss of revenue.
It won't mean a loss of revenue for them. Now they can charge any amount they want, since everybody has to have it. It just means a loss of more of our hard earned money, since not only do we have to pay more taxes so more people can get it for free, but then we also have to pay increased insurance costs for our own healthcare. You can rest assured that the big wigs in the insurance industry, who practically control the government, won't let anything happen to their bottom line. That goes for both Democrats and Republicans. They are all controlled.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2012, 10:41:02 am »
Well, I don't believe the full law even kicks in until 2014, so those saying their healthcare costs have already gone up, you're going to have to show me it's a result of the law and not just from the normal rise of health insurance costs which happens on a regular basis. Also, if health insurance companies stand to lose money over the law, it's likely they will raise, or have raised, costs to stick it to you one last time while they can. So, should you be mad at the law or the company bending you over?

I don't know if the law will stand or not, but the arguments against it are pretty ignorant.
1) As far as the mandate is concerned, if the government can't make you pay for anything, social security has to get struck down too.

2) This idea that it's going to make you pay for other people's health care is idiotic. What do you think you've been doing this whole time? Why do you think your premiums go up? Certain things are constant (a) Everyone at some point in time goes through the healthcare system. (b) Doctors don't turn people away that have hatchet wounds in their head. So they will use their time and resources to patch that person up (up to a limit) (c) If they don't pay, those currently paying for health insurance get the bill passed to them. The mandate makes it so that the guy with the hatchet wound in his head has to pay prior to that incident so the cost doesn't get passed on to you. This increases the pool of money and hopefully slows down any future cost increases. This is the exact OPPOSITE of making you pay for others.

3) You pay taxes which pays for your local police whether you call them for any reason or not. It makes more sense and is much safer to have them in place than not. Someone has to explain to me why someone running to the police saying "help me! help me! this guy is gonna kill me!" is different than someone running to a doctor saying "help me! help me! this cancer is gonna kill me!"  :dontknow:

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2012, 03:17:11 pm »
Hopefully it is overturned. Health Insurance costs have went up across the board because of it.

Riiiight - because the massive increases in healthcare costs prior to 2012 were somehow related to it nevertheless, (doubtless by the same sort of republican-imagined "Einstein-Rosen bridge" via which they blame democrats for stuff which occurred with a republican in executive office).
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The bill was signed into law back in March 2010, and parts of it were enacted retroactively. For example, the new tax on drug companies is already is in affect. These costs just get passed down the consumer.

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2012, 03:35:26 pm »
Hopefully it is overturned. Health Insurance costs have went up across the board because of it.

Riiiight - because the massive increases in healthcare costs prior to 2012 were somehow related to it nevertheless, (doubtless by the same sort of republican-imagined "Einstein-Rosen bridge" via which they blame democrats for stuff which occurred with a republican in executive office).
 :o

The bill was signed into law back in March 2010, and parts of it were enacted retroactively. For example, the new tax on drug companies is already is in affect. These costs just get passed down the consumer.

Indeed?  However, my remarks referenced increases in healthcare prior to the current administration.
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2012, 08:26:54 pm »
Well, I don't believe the full law even kicks in until 2014, so those saying their healthcare costs have already gone up, you're going to have to show me it's a result of the law and not just from the normal rise of health insurance costs which happens on a regular basis. Also, if health insurance companies stand to lose money over the law, it's likely they will raise, or have raised, costs to stick it to you one last time while they can. So, should you be mad at the law or the company bending you over?
Some of the provisions have already kicked in, such as extending coverage to kids up to 26 years old instead of 21. The costs have been passed to us, of course. They explained it to us at the place wehre I work, but I don't remember exactly which parts have kicked in, and what the rise in costs are.

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I don't know if the law will stand or not, but the arguments against it are pretty ignorant.
1) As far as the mandate is concerned, if the government can't make you pay for anything, social security has to get struck down too.

Social security is also unconstitutional, but it is so established and so many people have a stake in it that it would be impossible and impractical to get rid of it now. Just because we have made concessions and given up some freedom doesn't mean that we should give them all up.

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2) This idea that it's going to make you pay for other people's health care is idiotic. What do you think you've been doing this whole time? Why do you think your premiums go up? Certain things are constant (a) Everyone at some point in time goes through the healthcare system. (b) Doctors don't turn people away that have hatchet wounds in their head. So they will use their time and resources to patch that person up (up to a limit) (c) If they don't pay, those currently paying for health insurance get the bill passed to them. The mandate makes it so that the guy with the hatchet wound in his head has to pay prior to that incident so the cost doesn't get passed on to you. This increases the pool of money and hopefully slows down any future cost increases. This is the exact OPPOSITE of making you pay for others.

The guy with the hatchet wound probably will be getting his premiums paid for through medicaid. And besides that, if we are already paying for it anyway, how is Obamacare a solution? On top of that, the main way Obama intends to pay for all the increased costs is through the fines from the people who don't or can't buy health insurance.


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Re: Health Care law
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2012, 09:54:23 pm »
On top of that, the main way Obama intends to pay for all the increased costs is through the fines from the people who don't or can't buy health insurance.

How are people who can't pay for health insurance able to pay fines for not buying health insurance?
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