How can someone be born gay?

[hicaniplay]

So those that think it's how you raise a child, what do you think animals do to raise their children gay? (And also, why do you think being gay is so terrible in the first place?)

"A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them. Animal sexual behaviour takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied. According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity – including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex – than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept." Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom."

"According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity. One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries). About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."

Approximately 8% of rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams).

In fact, apparent homosexual individuals are known from all of the traditional domestic species, from sheep, cattle and horses to cats, dogs and budgerigars."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
The penguin section is interesting, mainly for the suppression of information.

For those who might actually care, would be a good idea to look into mice and fruitflies and other laboratory animals, since research and experiments are done to their genes, environment, and brain chemistry to see how that alters their sexual behavior.

[falcon9]

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam and Eve and Eve.

God created man and woman in the beginning, "male and female, He created them."
Truth is truth.

These are simply, (very simply), specious religious beliefs, not "truth".  There is no evidence supporting such a 'creationism' notion, (therefore, it doesn't even qualify as a theory with testable claims).  Such religious opinions which rely solely, (or 'soully'), upon "faith/belief" instead of substantive evidence are empty, (that is, not equivalent to 'opinions' which have at least some substantive basis).

This entire thread seems a "nature vs. nuture" subject more suited for the debate & discuss subforum.

"All religions are ancient monuments to superstition, ignorance, ferocity; and modern religions are only ancient follies."
-- Baron D'Holbach

[sdecaro558]

I would say the same way someone can be born straight.  Can you explain that to me?  If so, then apply the same explanation to how someone can be born gay.

[Snoozey]

No clue, I think it is more on how a baby is raised.  And the people who refuse to reveal the sex of their babies and dress them like a girl one day and a boy the next day are sick I don't think it has anything to do with stopping gender profiling    I think they should be forced to not do such a thing. A child should be able to identify with his/herself as what they are and not try to be manipulated not to be the gender they are suppose to be.

You can't be serious. Dressing your child in a gender stereotypical way from the day they are born IS manipulating them into the gender of your choice. Dressing children in neutral colors rather than a pink or blue would allow the child to have more freedom of expression when they reach the age where they can dress themselves.

[nycgal85]

Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.

[hicaniplay]

Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.

I think you are confusing terms.
Homosexual - gay and lesbian - prefer having sex with their own gender.
Transvestites or Cross-dressers prefer dressing in the opposite gender's clothing and acting as the opposite gender - but are not necessarily homosexual themselves (see Eddy Izzard and Ed Wood and I guess every "tomboy" girl who still manages to be straight even without wearing makeup and dresses )
Transgender believe they were born the wrong gender, and may identify as either gay or straight based on the gender they perceive themselves to be, and may or may not have surgery and hormones to better affect their proper gender.

You might find transgender tricky. If talking about a transgender woman, then she would have been born externally male. She can identify as straight (attracted to men) or gay (attracted to women).

And then there is Bisexual, who can choose, as they are attracted to both genders to some extent.
(As opposed to asexuals, who lack a sexual attraction to any gender.)

[falcon9]

Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.

I think you are confusing terms.
Homosexual - gay and lesbian - prefer having sex with their own gender.
Transvestites or Cross-dressers prefer dressing in the opposite gender's clothing and acting as the opposite gender - but are not necessarily homosexual themselves (see Eddy Izzard and Ed Wood and I guess every "tomboy" girl who still manages to be straight even without wearing makeup and dresses )
Transgender believe they were born the wrong gender, and may identify as either gay or straight based on the gender they perceive themselves to be, and may or may not have surgery and hormones to better affect their proper gender.

You might find transgender tricky. If talking about a transgender woman, then she would have been born externally male. She can identify as straight (attracted to men) or gay (attracted to women).

And then there is Bisexual, who can choose, as they are attracted to both genders to some extent.
(As opposed to asexuals, who lack a sexual attraction to any gender.)

Kudos for a valiant attempt except that:
"One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown."

[BJohnsonPP]

Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.

I'm sorry, but you are a complete and utter moron. I won't even attempt to be civil here because I can tell by how you write (and the fact that you believe in magic men in the sky) that no type of reasonable well thought out argument would penetrate something so dense. 

[mary_k]

I had a brother (RIP) who was gay, and he struggled with it for a long time. You are attracted to what you are attracted to, and it is not a choice, it is a feeling. Can you make yourself stop feeling something that you deeply feel? 

[southernhorizons]

Ok first of all no one is born gay ok people choice to be like that and Im just sick of people saying they r born gay which is 10000% false God made men to like women and women to like men and that how it is u can't change it. People choose to be gay men exprience with trying on women clothes and wearing make up and etc and for a gal who choice to be a tomboy coz she have all brothers and they like sport and than she is like I don't wanna feel left out so join in with her brothers and watch sport and dress like a boy and etc.

Being a tomboy doesn't mean a girl is choosing to be gay. There are plenty of fine, feminine women who were tomoys when they were kids, but grew up to be good wives and mothers, and certainly aren't "gay." And kids, even teenagers, aren't always sure of themselves. A lot of them are influenced by the way they are brought up, and being encouraged to express their "originality and individuality, and they have a lot of conflicting emotions. Since being gay is the "in" thing now, (at least its being made into a big deal), it's no surprise that so many kids try it. The surprising thing is that they are actually surprised if they get bullied.

[tashamjoy]

Ok you are not born gay but i also dont think its chosen thing though either the exact origin i dont know

[catherinedwhite]

Nothing like starting a controversial topic.
My thoughts - yes people are born with homosexual tendencies.
Many people choose to ignore them.....some people the tendencies are stronger than others.
Does environment effect the ability to choose your lifestyle?  ABSOLUTELY.
Some people will never be strong enough to choose to be "GAY",
even though it may be the way they feel on the inside.
Although society has come a long way, it is still an uneasy lifestyle -
especially depending on what part of the world you live in.
Trust me - NO ONE Would Choose to be GAY~

[EubCes]

They don't know

[vp44]

Ok so lets go there cause this issue is everywhere... A gene I dont think so...A choice yes I do..Being born with a ovarian and sperm producing and being a male or female i wouldnt say they cant go either way.  Hermaphodite. But being born gay or a gene is not a proven fact from i been learning. I had a friend who was a female and her choice after being with men was to be with women. Then she went back to men. So i figure she was just exploring her choices of people whether its man or woman..hence the words woman or man in each word man is obvious. I just think some where along the way mommy or daddy took some enhancements or pills and then defected the gene pool...Just my thought cause I really dont get this pill take for pain or anything of that matter cause our people back in days didnt have much of that and the experimenting really did something to genes or people in general. Just a thought. I love all People whether or not of they choices.

[patrick122068]

I think that people have to be born gay, because i myself do not have any desire to be with a man, nor would i ever want to be that way, so i just think that it is wrong to judge someone who is gay, because i don't think they asked to feel the way that they do, which is attraction toward the same sex.