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Re: What Is Your Evidence?
« Reply #255 on: August 19, 2012, 02:38:28 pm »
what was GOD doing the day James Holms began his shooting rampage. if there was a GOD why would he let that happen. I'll tell you why, it because there is NO GOD....period. end of discussion.

I am by no means a know it all nor do I claim to know everything but I do know that GOD is a power and a spirit that usually only intervenes when called upon to do so (thus Free Will)How do you know that some of the people in that incident did not call upon God.  You would have to talk to each person to find out whether God intervened in their life at that moment or not.  However,God's spirit was not in that gunman, otherwise he would have not been motivated to randomly open fire on a group of people he didn't even know.  God is not a superhero.  He does not operate like Superman or Batman, flying in at the last moment to save the day.  If people did not have free will and God determined their actions, then we could blame Him for all the horrible things that take place.

Ps 46:1-2 God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, Even though the earth be removed, And though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; NKJV

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Re: What Is Your Evidence?
« Reply #256 on: August 19, 2012, 02:55:10 pm »
I am by no means a know it all nor do I claim to know everything but I do know that GOD is a power and a spirit ...

Claiming to "know" such a thing without substantive evidence make your claim an unfounded religious opinion, (one with no solid basis).

... that usually only intervenes when called upon to do so (thus Free Will)How do you know that some of the people in that incident did not call upon God.  You would have to talk to each person to find out whether God intervened in their life at that moment or not. 

That is an irrational assertion; some people in that incident did claim to desparately beg for supernatural intercession, ("pray"/"call upon"), and were answered with bullets.  Any other claims attributing supernatural intercessions have no evidentiary basis and are biased hearsay.

However,God's spirit was not in that gunman, otherwise he would have not been motivated to randomly open fire on a group of people he didn't even know. 

Such non-reasoning, (using the conclusion to support the premise and arguing 'backwards'), is sophist and illogical. Not only does such a premise negate the previous claim of "free will", (over-riding such with "g-d's spirit"), but implicitly makes a religious claim concerning a non-religously based incident.  What's next, blaming the "devil" for the gunman's motivations?
 
God is not a superhero.  He does not operate like Superman or Batman, flying in at the last moment to save the day.  

Exactly, therefore requesting magical intercession from some supernatural egregore, (for which there is no evidence anyway), was a waste of time for those involved in that shooting incident and for any others since 'supernatural help' is not forthcoming.  It's irrationality such as this which ought to serve as evidence that superstitious religious beliefs 'shoot themselves in their own foot'.  Unfortunately, those engaged in it aren't in the best position to apply reasoning to their own illogical position of "faith".
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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