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lywb2168

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013, 07:24:22 am »
Well, I agree with about everything everyone has said.  Let me clarify a point for you all, I am a US citizen and have lived in this country for over 20 years, but I grew up in a Central American country, where free doctors are part of the general life.  The way it works there is that if you work and/or are a dependent of a worker and pay Social Security, which is a given, then you are entitled to get free health care from the government run Social Security hospital, and you pay $0 for the services, now I agree those services are not the best, and in the last few years for what I hear, they will kill you faster than they will cure you, but they are there for whoever cannot afford private doctors.

You do not need to have private insurance, even though it is the best, to be able to afford a private doctor, just need the $$ for it, the consultations are not as expensive as here but you need to be middle class to pay for it.

Now, here now health insurance are the worst thieves out there, we pay for employer health insurance for the family and still have to pay $5,000 out of my own pocket before they cover me.  It is the worst case scenario.   For example, last year my daughter broke her arm, went to an urgent care clinic, they took an x-ray and told me that they were not sure if it was broken they need it to sent the x-rays to an specialist and to go back the week after.  So I told them to give me the x-rays and I took them myself to the orthopedics. (urgent care charged $600 to the insurance for an incomplete result).  When we went to the ortho, we had to wait 3 hours with appointment for him to look at the X-ray for 1 minute, say the arm was broken, sent her to get a cast and charge the insurance $4,000 for a "Surgery", don't ask me what surgery was involved, unless putting a cast by a technician is consider surgery.

Doctors are as bad as insurance in this country.  Hopefully, but doubtful the US could compromise to have some sort of Universal insurance but again the government will run it and ruin everything again.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2013, 09:29:24 am »
not when they fine you if you don't have it because you can't afford it, if they were providing it, then I am for it, but it is a scam to make poor people pay fines. wrong

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2013, 09:56:15 am »
I think it is the biggest waste of the United States money than ever what!t Obama and his stupid buddies there out to bankrupt this country so he can become little dictator and president for life. That is all I can see he wants to be a little dictator over the United States he does everything he can to bankrupt this country so we can take over! He is another Hitler really hasn't done so far is declared a state of emergency and spin the Constitution explosion point so we can be president for life.That all he thinks about in my opinion just like the budget deal he won't compromise at all he says the company my way or no way so that it be no way and kick him out on the whole his other buddies.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013, 10:06:04 am »
Every American should have universal health care since were already paying taxes every year.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013, 10:54:15 am »
I think people out there who don't want universal health care, must have a lot of money to burn.  I think we should be able to have the same health care bill the Senators and congressmen have.  If they had to do without, they
would change the whole law really really quick.  People in the united states of america, should not be dying just because they can't afford to go to the hospital and buy the meds they need.  Thats just not right, no matter how
you look at it.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2013, 11:01:08 am »
I think it would be a great thing.  :thumbsup:  But, I doubt that we will ever see it.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2013, 02:19:04 pm »
:thumbsup:

If the government runs it - BAD IDEA!!!!  THEN YOU JUST HAVE SOCIALISM!!!!!!!

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2013, 02:43:27 pm »
So funny I saw this post, because today I got an email from the Democratic Party stating: BREAKING from Paul Ryan: “New House Republican budget includes Obamacare Repeal”

— Paul Ryan just announced that his new budget, to be released today, would destroy Medicare — and repeal Obamacare!

Paul Ryan would hand tax breaks to the Republicans’ yacht-owning financiers — and leave 31 million Americans uninsured to pay for it.

But here’s how we stop them: Right now, we’re running ads against the new Ryan Budget. We must immediately increase our spending by 50% — before Ryan releases the plan today.

This guy is an idiot in my opinion and yes I believe in universal healthcare.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2013, 02:48:37 pm »
I think it is the biggest waste of the United States money than ever what!t Obama and his stupid buddies there out to bankrupt this country so he can become little dictator and president for life. That is all I can see he wants to be a little dictator over the United States he does everything he can to bankrupt this country so we can take over! He is another Hitler really hasn't done so far is declared a state of emergency and spin the Constitution explosion point so we can be president for life.That all he thinks about in my opinion just like the budget deal he won't compromise at all he says the company my way or no way so that it be no way and kick him out on the whole his other buddies.

So implementing healthcare = killing 6 million jews?
Are you wearing a foil helmet?

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2013, 09:40:42 pm »
honestly i am not sure if that would be good or bad for economy i personally think it would be awesome to know everyone would have insurance but then you hear people say things like quality of care goes down, all this other stuff that it would be bad but without knowing all the facts or seeing it happen i do not know but to me it "sounds" really good to know everyone will have somewhere to go if they need to

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2013, 02:15:09 am »
:thumbsup:

If the government runs it - BAD IDEA!!!!  THEN YOU JUST HAVE SOCIALISM!!!!!!!


Not quite sure you know what Socialism is.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2013, 04:06:06 am »
No. I think we need less government involvement in our lives,not more.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2013, 04:47:10 am »
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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2013, 07:30:19 am »
Everyone being covered and never having to worry about paying for medical treatment-Yes, that sounds great.  Everyone would love that.  Unfortunately, someone has to pay for it.  Everyone wants the freebies, but no one wants to pay for them.  I understand that some of us simply can't and there needs to be help for those people, but forcing everyone to buy health insurance is not how it should be done.

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Re: what do you think about universal health care for the united states
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2013, 07:47:16 am »
As PJ O'Rourke once said, "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it's free!"

I agree that part of the problem with healthcare costs is that no one want to pay for anything. We are no longer using health insurance to insure against unforeseeable, catastrophic events, but rather want it used for anything healthcare related. It's like getting car insurance and then expecting that your gas, oil changes, wiper blade replacements, tire replacements, etc. are also all covered. If that were the case, everyone's auto insurance premiums would have to go up, perhaps to the point that people would rather go without insurance -- even for the unforeseen accident down the road. And when you start having people leave the insurance pool, the average cost for the rest in the insurance plan will also go up.

I understand the idea behind a government-run healthcare system... To ensure that the cost-per-user is at its lowest, you want the largest insurance pool. For example, if you had 1000 people in your insurance pool and 1 person had to go to the ER for a $1000 procedure, each person in that pool would have to pay $1 to cover that event, whereas if the pool only had 10 people in it and that same person went in for the $1000 procedure, now everyone would have to pay $100 instead of $1 to cover it.

The problem however is that with health insurance set up to cover everything, many people are paying for things that they don't need, and people are also more apt to use the services even if they don't really need it. If auto insurance were set up the same way, you'd have some people that drove electric cars paying more to cover everyone else's gas consumption. And because no one has to pay for gas out of pocket, they're also more apt to go through it much quicker, driving their Hummers and SUVs just to go to work in their office. This also exposes another issue with having insure cover everything; people don't see the expense so they don't care, even if the cost-avoidance would create other benefits besides the financial aspect. If people didn't pay for gas out-of-pocket, they'd be more apt to consume it the same or more, whereas when people do pay for their own gas, they become more conscientious of gas prices and so may try to carpool more, use public transportation more, or even ride a bike or walk. And by using these other forms of transportation, they additionally are reducing their pollution footprint and are not reducing the supply of gas as much. Similarly, if people had to pay more for out-of-pocket healthcare costs, like having to pay for annual visits, medication, etc. they may actually try harder to exercise more or eat healthier to reduce their out-of-pocket costs for more check-ups and tests for their diabetes and / or heart disease, and in addition they are living a healthier lifestyle so will have a lower risk of some more serious ailment down the road.

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