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vp44

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2013, 05:08:45 am »
CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY THERE WERE ONLY 6 JURORS ON THIS JURY?  :dontknow:
I do not know but I bet you can not blame this on the media! :icon_rr: Silly Fools!

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2013, 06:38:45 am »
The State of Florida uses 6 jurors to bring in the verdict but there are more than 6 jurors empaneled as alternates that hear the case. That is the best I can say, not being a resident of FL.

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2013, 08:32:48 am »
this is a really deep dicussion lol I've read a few of the responses on here and in my opinion the verdict was wrong some may say it wasn't enough evidence but it was so much pointing towards him saying that he did kill an innocent young man out of spite not for self defense but like someone else said Florida can't even count its ballots so what could we have expected from this trial.

Truthfully, the jury had to go by the instructions given by the judge and by the definition of the laws. This is why he was found not guilty. He did not willfully kill Martin. It was a case of self-defense.  There was no injustice except what Attorney General Corey tried to do by keeping evidence from the defense.

A lot of people were swayed by the media who portrayed Martin as a "young, innocent, little boy" while, in fact, he was suspended from school 3 times mostly for fighting, he was looking to by a gun, he loved to street fight, and he thought of himself as a 'gansta.' He was not a little boy, either. He was 6' tall and weighed 160 lbs, while Zimmernan was 5'8" and 195 lb. and wasn't a fighter.

The media forgot to mention that Zimmerman followed the dispatcher's orders. After Zimmerman got the street address for the dispatcher, he was turning around to go back to his truck when he was waylaid by Martin ("a punch in the nose will put anyone down quickly"). The one tape was also doctored, partly edited out for sensationalism. Al Sharpton did not help the matter, either by protesting 'No Justice, No Peace." That's race baiting and inciting a riot that happened in different places around the country after the verdict, but unless you really dig deep on line, you won't see anything about it on TV.

There were so many mistakes made prior to, and during this case that it has put a wedge between races and the years of "peace" (even though hidden) has been destroyed.  Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson, Angela Corey and the prosecuting team played a large part in this wedge and it will take many years (again) to heal the wounds caused by this case.

Sorry, I get carried away on legal matters and politics at times.

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2013, 08:35:17 am »
If you look at the evidence it's obvious that there wasn't enough to convict him, but our emotions and human side are telling us that if he didn't follow this boy like the police told him, he'd still be alive.

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2013, 08:48:46 am »
who cares we should be talking about the sicko in cleveland

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2013, 09:12:54 am »
who cares we should be talking about the sicko in cleveland



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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2013, 10:19:10 am »
I'm not surprised. I knew he wouldn't be convicted because the police refused to arrest him in the first place...They have a lot of nut jobs in Florida (no disrespect to some of the people who unfortunately live there). It's they same state that didn't convict Casey Anthony for killing her baby. Not to mention they can't even count ballots!

It's not really surprising...from the beginning it seemed kinda clear he wouldn't (and shouldn't) be convicted. Yes, this is the same state that allowed CA to go free, but they're not comparable. Same with OJ case - yes, similar results, but different issues at play.


I'm NOT saying that the cases are comparable! I am talking about the MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE in the state of Florida. The judge that presided over the Zimmerman trial is the same judge (Angela Corey) who sentenced a woman (Marrisa Alexander) to 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive husband. Do you see the irony!? This woman was actually defending herself, didn't kill anyone but got 20 years in prison! Zimmerman chased down an innocent CHILD, was told to stay in his car, but pursued him anyway and then killed him...And as far as the OJ trial...you can thank that racist cop Mark Fuhrman for planting false evidence, therefore planting reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. That being said, I do believe that OJ did it and deserves to be in prison, but if people want to play tit for tat, then a certain group of people have a hell of a lot to pay for for centuries of injustice. Think about that.

Angela Corey was the prosecutor in both cases, not the judge. There's really no irony because the two cases have so many differences.


1.  Marrisa Alexander did not shoot at her husband. She shot the gun in the air, but I don't think her life was in danger. Don't quote me on that because I only saw a short piece on this case.

2. Martin was not an innocent child. He was 17 and should have known better than to attack someone without a reason. Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car...in fact, it was a truck, not a car...but he was told to get the name of the street and let the dispatcher know so they could send the cops. Zimmerman got the name of the street and was on his way back to his truck when he was attacked by Martin.

3.  Angela Corey was the Attorney General, not the prosecutor. She called Zimmerman a murderer and did everything in her power to try and convict Zimmerman and even hid discovery evidence AND the name of "Witness 8" (Jeantel)  from the defense so the defense wouldn't be able to defend their client (Zimmerman) or, in the case of Witness 8, be able to cross-examine this witness. Corey should be sanctioned or even disbarred for the underhanded way she handled this whole thing.

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2013, 06:03:13 pm »
I have not followed it very well so hard to comment all i know is just because someone looks suspicious does not mean you have the right to kill them i have heard that zimmerman was beat up i dont know if there is proof of that but all i know is i feel bad he was killed but am not sure what to believe =(

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2013, 10:07:01 am »
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2. Martin was not an innocent child. He was 17 and should have known better than to attack someone without reason.

In my opinion, this is the foundational point of the whole thing. The overuse of the media using the picture of Trayvon when he was 12 is hilarious imo.

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2013, 02:20:49 pm »
It's a travesty.

I think the prosecutors didn't handle the trial well in general, perhaps because they were too over-confident. Also, they should have considered the lesser charge of manslaughter, which was more appropriate under the circumstances (because Zimmerman didn't initially follow Martin with the intention to kill him), rather than giving in to the public appeal.

Either way, Zimmerman killed somebody. He did it on purpose and admitted to it after the fact. The self-defense argument is a sham because even though they were in a fist fight, Martin posed no immediate threat to his life-- Zimmerman only had minor injuries. Not to mention that the fight only began after Martin confronted Zimmerman for following him, which Zimmerman was doing because Martin "looked like trouble" (something local dispatchers told Zimmerman NOT to do when he called 911 just before.) And despite whatever trouble Martin may have looked like, he actually was just walking home from the store.

I think it's kind of a failing to give him NO punishment whatsoever for killing another human being because they hit you a few times.


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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2013, 08:47:39 pm »
Thank heaven that someone KNOWS what another person's state of mind is! In particular when that someone is under assault. I am pretty certain that the person making such valid assumptions has been in a similar situation or in combat receiving fire. Yeah, I was always certain that little dude over there squeezing off round after round would exercise good judgment and stop attacking just before rendering me to a state of room temperature. Yes, it is always the case that a person under attack can be assured they will not be maimed or killed, even more so when they are at the hands of one that has begun the assault.

Mr. Martin did attack Mr. Zimmerman, without provocation. Being 'watched' is no justification in any rational way to physically attack someone. Mr. Zimmerman may be thought to have exercised poor judgment for leaving his vehicle in the first place, but that pales in comparison to Martin's poor judgment in taking the decision that he was going to beat up someone just because he did not like being 'watched'. Martin, with proper judgment would simply have continued on to the place he was staying and then called the police on his own behalf if he felt so terribly endangered. Instead, Martin exercised the actions of a thug and paid for it with this life.

Learning of Martin's character and history after the trial, it can easily be thought that this kid would very likely get himself killed at some point if not at the hands of Zimmerman, then someone else. 

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2013, 09:29:19 pm »
i'm not really following the story.. its gone too long in my opinion.. xD

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2013, 05:00:20 am »
I never followed the Trial, however the jury made a decision, the Judge made his ruling, lets get on with life.....

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2013, 11:17:44 am »
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Either way, Zimmerman killed somebody. He did it on purpose and admitted to it after the fact. The self-defense argument is a sham because even though they were in a fist fight, Martin posed no immediate threat to his life-- Zimmerman only had minor injuries. Not to mention that the fight only began after Martin confronted Zimmerman for following him, which Zimmerman was doing because Martin "looked like trouble" (something local dispatchers told Zimmerman NOT to do when he called 911 just before.) And despite whatever trouble Martin may have looked like, he actually was just walking home from the store.

One shouldn't be punished if they believe their life is in immediate danger. Zimmerman didn't follow proper protocol, but in no way did that excuse Martin for going postal on Zimmerman and bashing the back of his head on the cement. If you look up the injuries, they look severe.  You probably have no idea what it feels like to be in a brawl like that. A man's survival instincts kick in. That's why I can't hold him accountable and think he shouldn't be punished. When someone attacks you physically and you feel they have the intent to kill you or massively injure you, they give up their basic human rights. Sitting back, taking the pain, and hoping the police arrive before the abuser gets away is just naive.

Another thing to think about is Zimmerman's life now. He'll probably have to get his name changed, move, etc. His life will never be the same. If you think he deserves to be punished, that's punishment enough.

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however the jury made a decision, the Judge made his ruling, lets get on with life.....

Agreed.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2013, 11:33:23 am by Falconer02 »

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Re: Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2013, 11:43:50 am »
I agree that the prosecutors didn't handle things as well as they could have.  They gave the defense a lot of points.  Even the jury selection could have been better.

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