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mythociate

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Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« on: January 13, 2014, 07:40:51 am »
The Bible gives us this report of daughters taking it upon themselves to 'preserve their father's family-line.'

Is this something we need to know? I guess it works to persuade us that the daughters' children were not also 'virgin births' ...

although it can shed some doubt upon the 'Virgin Birth' we all know of ... who's to say that Mary didn't 'fly in unto Joseph-the-Carpenter like a "succubus" (a mythological angel said to be the cause of wet dreams)' and that SHE wasn't the angel that came to Joseph in a dream?

I know we need to believe in that Virgin Birth; I guess I'm just refining that belief into one 'of faith' rather than one 'of proof' or 'of readings' or 'of tradition.'  :angel12:
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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2014, 01:12:56 am »

Google JediJohnnie and May the Force be with you!

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2014, 04:22:51 am »
I vehemently disagree with this one.  Incest is never all right.  You live with the fact that you slept with a distant relative for all the wrong reasons.  I was conceived because my mother, all of 16, was raped by my father, who was her cousin, married and 28 years old.  She had me at the age of 17, but treated me differently than she did my sisters and brother.  I served to be a reminder of what had happened.  My father passed from brain cancer shortly after I turned 2 years old and my mother never told me of the incident; she took it to her grave.  What I learned came from relatives who knew as well what had happened. :bad: ??? ??? ???

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2014, 05:11:53 am »
I vehemently disagree with this one.  Incest is never all right.  You live with the fact that you slept with a distant relative for all the wrong reasons.  I was conceived because my mother, all of 16, was raped by my father, who was her cousin, married and 28 years old.  She had me at the age of 17, but treated me differently than she did my sisters and brother.  I served to be a reminder of what had happened.  My father passed from brain cancer shortly after I turned 2 years old and my mother never told me of the incident; she took it to her grave.  What I learned came from relatives who knew as well what had happened. :bad: ??? ??? ???

Your example isn't incest (not as close as the Bible-example I gave), and your example is alright (if for no other reason than 'it gave us you!') :)

If the example I gave happened today, the father (even though he 'had no idea' it happened) would be smeared as a pervert! But yours ... Jacob/Israel was so-closely related to HIS two wives!
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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2014, 05:51:02 am »
Love your post JediJohnnie - For a couple of weeks I've been reading the subject of threads posted by you mythociate and I've ignored them... there are in fact some days I've had a difficult time finding a post to apply my thoughts to because the debate and discuss board has been overloaded with your opinions.  Much of which I've discounted allthough reading some other responses has been enlightening.  This subject, "Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?" ... the twist on this is so disturbing to me that it has confirmed my instinct to ignore future posts as I simply can't relate and find offense to the view you have on the issue. Alas that's the beauty of forums... voicing our ideas - I'll just stay clear from now on.

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2014, 06:14:18 am »
Love your post JediJohnnie - For a couple of weeks I've been reading the subject of threads posted by you mythociate and I've ignored them... there are in fact some days I've had a difficult time finding a post to apply my thoughts to because the debate and discuss board has been overloaded with your opinions.  Much of which I've discounted allthough reading some other responses has been enlightening.  This subject, "Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?" ... the twist on this is so disturbing to me that it has confirmed my instinct to ignore future posts as I simply can't relate and find offense to the view you have on the issue. Alas that's the beauty of forums... voicing our ideas - I'll just stay clear from now on.

I guess I'm sort of a 'mental-mountain climber,' & something in me won't stop assuming that everyone who can hear me is also such a mountain-climber :dontknow:

But please don't pre-judge all my words, saying "Well that's what he thinks, so it must be "from the daevel"!" Because I agree with most standard-teachings ... but you don't bring crowds-of-millions to see two huge body-builders get together for a 'total-agreement!'
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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2014, 09:45:52 am »
Love your post JediJohnnie - For a couple of weeks I've been reading the subject of threads posted by you mythociate and I've ignored them... there are in fact some days I've had a difficult time finding a post to apply my thoughts to because the debate and discuss board has been overloaded with your opinions.  Much of which I've discounted allthough reading some other responses has been enlightening.  This subject, "Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?" ... the twist on this is so disturbing to me that it has confirmed my instinct to ignore future posts as I simply can't relate and find offense to the view you have on the issue. Alas that's the beauty of forums... voicing our ideas - I'll just stay clear from now on.

Glad to see I'm not the only one disturbed by this poster's overwhelming attempts to monopolize this forum with her radical and disturbing (in my opinion) views. I made the mistake of "biting" on another thread and not only were my words twisted in her response - they were completely fabricated.  No more.

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2014, 01:25:54 pm »
Bibles view on incest.....
Those people were closer to perfection and hence there was no risk in their marrying close relatives.

As mankind became more imperfect and the dating pool increased, God then decreed that people should not marry close relatives


"One of Adamís sons was Cain, and one of Adamís daughters must have become Cainís wife. At that time in human history when humans still had outstanding physical health and vitality, as indicated by the length of their lives, the likelihood of passing on defects as a result of marrying a close relative was not great. After some 2,500 years of human history, however, when mankindís physical condition had greatly deteriorated, Jehovah gave to Israel laws forbidding incest."---"Races of Mankind", in the "Reasoning" book.


God's instructions regarding the avoidance of incest are given at Leviticus 18:6-17 :



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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 01:34:34 pm »
Msmoney...your story was very touching.

Seemed there was much hush hush and that seems to happen in rape.

She didnt abort you so your mom had sense NOT to break Gods law there.And yet i feel for you cos you were a victim of being mistreated.

There is lots on injustice in this world.Its too bad your mom had to die before she had the chance to comfort you.Hopefully God will see in her heart she loved you and due to imperfections of the human race that cost her her relationship with you.But we are all entitled to be forgiven.

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2014, 05:54:40 pm »
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Those people were closer to perfection and hence there was no risk in their marrying close relatives.

This makes no sense on a genetic level since there's no such thing as a 'perfect' gene. Even if a small population is extremely lucky, there will be major birth defects within a few generations. Typically even in 1 generation inbreeding can leave negative results. I recommend you adopt a new religious belief in this story since glorifying incest isn't a healthy idea and it makes people question the validity of your claims. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Adam_and_Eve's_children_have_their_own_children

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Glad to see I'm not the only one disturbed by this poster's overwhelming attempts to monopolize this forum with her radical and disturbing (in my opinion) views. I made the mistake of "biting" on another thread and not only were my words twisted in her response - they were completely fabricated.  No more.

Yeah there's a lot of that going around in this forum.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2014, 05:59:08 pm by Falconer02 »

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2014, 07:27:20 pm »
Falconer...do you really expect me to value your opinion on this when you have NO regard for the bible?

So why don't you explain to us all how the earth was populated?

Let me go get some popcorn...this ought to be good!

BTW...if you wanna start by telling me you came from under a rock I just might believe that!!

<crunch>....wheres the salt!!!

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2014, 07:30:50 pm »
Who the what the where the don't make me go back and read this rubbish. once again who the what the where the.

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2014, 07:44:13 pm »
Falconer...let me add,i have spoken out how the bible feels about homosexuality..that its a sin and you think I am going to glorify incest?

Where is your discernment and I support what Jehovah did and how HE terminated it with scripture in HIS due time!

I suggest you start putting seasoning on your shoes!!

You don't support God or the bible....................I DOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2014, 09:38:21 pm »
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Falconer...do you really expect me to value your opinion on this when you have NO regard for the bible?

Considering Christianity in general is slowly* dying off around the world, I think it'd be in your best interest to at least consider it. If you don't want the bible to sound fictional and want to uphold it as a legitimate source of info, don't tell people we came from one simple line of incest. It sounds like an extremely uneducated and mythological idea.

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So why don't you explain to us all how the earth was populated? Let me go get some popcorn...this ought to be good!

Through long spans of evolution, genetic drift, understanding rudimentary technologies- all legitimate theories and finds. There were even times when humans were bottle-necking in population and we were close to extinction! I can provide visual evidence of fossilized remains, locations of ancient nomadic campsites, and theorized records of human evolution if you're curious to see.

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Falconer...let me add,i have spoken out how the bible feels about homosexuality..that its a sin and you think I am going to glorify incest?

And I had proven that you were wrong about homosexuality through realistic means. You already have (sort of) glorified incest. I will quote it-

"Bibles view on incest.....Those people were closer to perfection and hence there was no risk in their marrying close relatives. As mankind became more imperfect and the dating pool increased, God then decreed that people should not marry close relatives"

You have stated that modern-day humans came from incest. The two glorified original humans from your mythology.

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You don't support God or the bible....................I DOOOOOOOOOO!!!

And that's fine! I'm arguing legitimacy/factual accuracy here though. This is me just stating that going around saying we came from incest is both weird and distasteful in the eyes of anyone with a normal thought process. Sorry if that sounds mean, but it's the most basic way to put it.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 01:21:35 am by Falconer02 »

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Re: Incest Is Alright if You Can Deny Knowing It Happened?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2014, 10:08:47 am »
... not only were my words twisted in her response - they were completely fabricated.  No more.

Perhaps. Because 'your words' were too few, I felt I need to "tack on" what I supposed you meant by them. I would be sorry, if I knew that somehow I had stolen your ability to respond to clarify your first response. But I did not and do not now, so I am not sorry.

That said, do go to that topic & do clarify; or don't, & let the readers judge the way they will ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------That's what a Pharisee might say today. You now have the chance to respond as my mentor Jesus-of-Joseph would, and I pray that you will!

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