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lvstephanie

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2014, 08:06:33 am »
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As i watch the video i dont think the police meant to hurt him but i think they used bad judgment in taking him down.This could have been prevented.Tactics didnt call for this rough of a takedown is what i got from video!

Back in 1974 an arsonist set fire to a bowling alley to cover up a robbery.24 people died in the disco next door.I dont think he meant to kill anyone but his actions were stupid and deserved to be punished.He served 10 yrs for manslaughter.I think in this case the victim should be awarded a cash settlement and the officers involved punished somewhat!!

Agreed!  Their excuse was that they had problems with the victim before but, he was NOT being aggressive towards the police in any way.  He had no weapons.  I think it was a stupid decision by the police to do what they did.  The poor guy kept yelling "I can't breathe" and he DID have problems with asthma.  Like you, I wouldn't say they hurt him on purpose but they needed to let up some, which they didn't.  The U.S. has really become a "police state" but who's policing the Police?  Don't get me wrong, not all Officers of the law are rotten but there are plenty.  I think it's a good idea for all Officers to be wearing a body camera.  Then there's no two ways about it, we're all going to see exactly what happened.
I also heard about something to consider with officers having body cameras that caused me to take pause and reevaluate whether I thought they were a good idea... First a premise about the cameras... In order for them to be effective and objective they would have to be on all of the time (or at least the officer would not be able to turn off their camera while out of the police station). If so, what happens if the camera witnesses a crime / suspicious behavior that the officer might not have seen. Is the camera admissible evidence and can the police go back and make an arrest based on the camera's data? Isn't that getting closer to 1984's idea of "Big Brother is Watching" where cameras were located all over the place to aid law enforcement? If you are worried about the US becoming a police state, wouldn't the cameras just exacerbate the problem?

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2014, 01:26:19 pm »
Lets face it,we can try to always make the system better,cameras etc.......but the human element is always going to be involved.

How many cases do we hear where the innocent are sent to jail?Or the guilty go free???

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2014, 06:01:03 pm »
I just saw on Facebook how many are putting pressure on the mayor of NYC to resign because they feel he instigated the 2 cops getting shot!!

The world is truly cracking up.I dont support politicians but i would think the mayor feels just as bad for those 2 cops than all of us.He didnt pull the trigger and i am sre he wasnt an accomplice to those murders!!

I mentioned earlier how this is turning into politics!

I am afraid it is going to get a lot more heated in this world before it gets better.

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2014, 10:49:44 am »
I just saw on Facebook how many are putting pressure on the mayor of NYC to resign because they feel he instigated the 2 cops getting shot!!

The world is truly cracking up.I dont support politicians but i would think the mayor feels just as bad for those 2 cops than all of us.He didnt pull the trigger and i am sre he wasnt an accomplice to those murders!!

I mentioned earlier how this is turning into politics!

I am afraid it is going to get a lot more heated in this world before it gets better.

The mayor feels bad NOW that he's being hassled over his actions, but he has been against the police since day 1. He's also buddy buddy with Al Sharpton sitting on his left side, just like Obama does. Sharpton incites riots and protests. He (the mayor) helped incite these crowds when he stated how he trained his son to be wary of the police and insinuated that the police were a bunch of white racists when, in reality, NYPD is the most integrated police force in the country.

Eric Garner was a big man. He was in trouble many times before and he DID resist arrest. That's why there were so many cops there to control him. There was no choke hold. if you look closely, you can see that Pantenaleo (sp) didn't have a choke hold on him. They were wrong not to get off him when he stated he couldn't breathe but that's a symptom of a heart attack. They did call for EMTs but it took them 4 minutes to get there. it was too late. I was shocked that the EMTs didn't really help him, either. They just called his name and tried to get him to wake up. They should have had oxygen started AND an IV before putting him in the ambulance. I think they just took too long to get him emergency care.

This was not race-related as Sharpton and the idiots are trying to make it out to be, but it wasn't. Now you have more protests to the point of 2 officers being assassinated. There will be more because the protesters don't realize who's really in charge of their protests. you have the National Action Network, New Black Panther Party, NAACP, Nation of Islam, KKK, Communist Party of USA, ANSWER, the Anarchists, all coming together to create mayhem. These groups are definitely anti-American and anti-white especially the NBPP. They go around telling their followers to kill all whites. Go look it up if you don't believe it. ANSWER is pro-Palestine and against Israel.

To not even stop protesting for the funerals like the mayor requested shows how he has allowed these militant groups to take over his city.

Sorry, this is long, but this is my opinion on this case. Also, my opinion on the groups that are protesting...this is an excuse for the anti-American groups to try to take down the government as we know it again. If the police would have been tougher in Ferguson where it all started, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand, especially since it was proven that Michael Brown's friend lied from the very beginning about the 'hands up' statement. Too late now...Gov. Nixon had no right to stop the National Guard from going in, and now the business owners who lost their businesses will be paying through the nose on insurance costs if they were even covered.

Okay, I'll quit now because I know I've gotten a lot of people fired up over my post, but as I said before, that's my opinion. :)

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2014, 12:13:27 pm »
Sfreeman i put this topic for me and anyone else to comment on it.In life we are all going to agree or disagree at times.

We live in a world where prejudice will always exist until God says....ENUFF

Its always EZ to Monday morning quarterback!!We all have made decisions and realized afterwards....oh no why did i do that or wish you can have a mulligan.

I think the best thing to get from sadness like this is be understanding and hope that our conscience guides us all to make better decisions in the future.I cant begin to tell you how i wish i could turn the clock back and start over.You cant change the past but you can learn from it!!

Thanx to you and all that have chimed in!!

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2014, 11:20:25 am »
You cant change the past but you can learn from it!!

The above sentence from your post is true but the problem is that most people, including those in government positions don't learn from it. History repeats itself is more like what goes on in this country. Change that to world since we see the turmoil in other countries being too lenient on terrorists and Putin, so history is repeating itself in the form of religious wars and Russia taking over other countries, while the rest of the world watches and wrings its hands over what to do. What I DON'T want to see is the New World Order where the U.N. rules the world. in case you don't know, most countries that belong to the U.N. are now anti-American and don't believe we should still follow our Constitution. They want to stick their noses into our government and change our laws, our Constitution, our form of governing, and force us to follow climate change regulations that they make or pay fines; yet we put out LESS CO2 than any other country on the planet. The parents of Michael Brown were in front of the U.N. overseas and were calling for them to step in and do something about the police and the laws of this country. They want certain people brought up on torture or terrorism charges. Are they kidding me? Good way to lose the few freedoms we have left.

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2015, 06:31:09 pm »
I'm sorry but poor judgement are not when you outnumber a person an they telling you they can't breath you should atleast make sure they could what could they honestly do if they outnumbered the cops should be punished

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2015, 07:11:38 pm »
Screwed...the injustice will never end as long as man is in charge.

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2015, 09:10:55 am »
Before anyone speaks of racism, consider that the sergeant in charge when Garner died is a black woman.

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2015, 09:25:16 am »
My father worked as a police officer and there were several times where he almost didnt make it home because of someone who thought that it would be a good idea to pull a gun.  while i dont agree with things that have been going on recently in the news you also dont hear all the times that an officer is killed or nearly killed i think that it goes both ways in the thought that all human life is important.

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Re: Cop cleared in chokehold in NY
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2015, 07:29:32 pm »
It's an unfortunate event that occurred. I think the relationship between the cops and the citizens must improve.

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