Are New Year’s celebrations objectionable for Christians?

[hitch0403]

Much of the world today accepts gay marriage?Does that make it right?

The point here i try to make is what God OKs.......NOT man!!In the case of New Years with the Pagan Roman god Janus i dont think Jehovah would be agreeable to a celebration  with that god.The bible is very strong about false worship and thats false worship originating with pagan gods.

The birth of Jesus is in NO way as important as his death.He coulda been born a man and NOT carried out what his fathers will was.I have said to you a zillion times there is nothing wrong saying thanx for Jesus coming to earth as a man but if he never died and suffered it woulda meant NOTHING!!!You see that scripture as he commanded ,keep doing this in rememberance of me before he dismissed Judas and you could care less about it and The Memorial.

So dont give me this stuff what Paul said we can do is fine.....it is what God thinks NOT us and i gave the example in gay marriage.

[hitch0403]

And again i am sorry that you dont either read or comprhend bible either when i gave the example of AAron trying to mix false worship and Jehovah.He did it to play both ends against the middle.Please the sinners and yet he knew to include the true God.

Result........1000s died cos Jehovah viewed it as a sin!!!

Again the result of doing what you want and disobeying Gods law.

[stbernard1973]

hitch, you are a religious fanatic.  You are unable and/or unwilling to see beyond your own beliefs and choose to think that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

You are doing a lot of judging and casting a lot of stones here.  Anything you don't agree with has got to be against god, right?  Anything you find objectionable has got to be against god, right?  Anyone who says or does things you do not agree with or find objectionable are surely damned, right?

You are interpreting what you read in your bible the way you want to and you are placing judgement upon others based on your own interpretations.  Ten different people can read the same verse and come away with ten different interpretations.  Who are YOU to say that ANY of those ten people are wrong?  You are judging people based on your own beliefs and feelings.  Judgement is something that is reserved for only one being according to Christian belief:  god.  You're not god so what is your problem?

There isn't a single day of the year that cannot, in some way, be linked to the pagan belief system in some way.  From the name, based on a pagan celebration, etc.  If you want to judge and discard every single thing in life that is an abomination to god then you should just go ahead and move off into that little cave in the woods and live there alone so you will not be exposed to anything in life.  Be careful what you eat, wear, read, see, hear, smell and think.  I'm positive you are committing just as many sins every day as everyone else you have judged has.  Actually, you are committing more.

Lighten up and stop making your religion into a sin and believing that everyone around you are sinners while you are a saint.  You judging me for what you think I am doing wrong is a far greater sin than me wishing someone a happy new year.

And as for the gay thing, I hate to break it to you but there are homosexual couples in the bible.  GASP!  Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time and it even appears in the bible.  And NOT always in a negative way.  Read your good book a little closer and keep your mind open while you're reading it so YOU can fully understand what you are reading.

And, btw, thank you for the big LOL I got from reading your posts in this thread.  It topped off my Monday!  :-D

[hitch0403]

StBernie....you are free to think what you like.Jesus was put to death because of foolish minds like yours.

And you end your post promoting gays???LOL!!!

Seriously i have no problem hearing you out but you coulda made it a lot less boring if you just said,i dont agree with The Watchtowers views etc"Your reasoning for why is so far off course my GPS needs a GPS!!!

You have an ignore button too.

And yes i am a sinner and not perfect and i use Gods backing to make the points not my own as you have.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres another LOL for ya!!!

[JediJohnnie]

Much of the world today accepts gay marriage?Does that make it right?

The point here i try to make is what God OKs.......NOT man!!In the case of New Years with the Pagan Roman god Janus i dont think Jehovah would be agreeable to a celebration  with that god.The bible is very strong about false worship and thats false worship originating with pagan gods.

The birth of Jesus is in NO way as important as his death.He coulda been born a man and NOT carried out what his fathers will was.I have said to you a zillion times there is nothing wrong saying thanx for Jesus coming to earth as a man but if he never died and suffered it woulda meant NOTHING!!!You see that scripture as he commanded ,keep doing this in rememberance of me before he dismissed Judas and you could care less about it and The Memorial.

So dont give me this stuff what Paul said we can do is fine.....it is what God thinks NOT us and i gave the example in gay marriage.

Paul's words (as is the whole of scripture) is inspired by God.There is not a line written that does not affirm God's word.So you ought not discard the Apostle's words so recklessly.

But what you're not getting is that people now-today-2015- nobody,but NOBODY- believes in Janus,Thor,or whatever the pagan beliefs were back a millenia ago! When people celebrate New Year,I can guarantee that 99.9% don't even think of Janus.Probably 75% of that number have never even heard the name! It is pure superstition to think that there is any connection AT ALL with the present day observations of Christmas,New Years,Birthdays,Etc with any form of paganism.

And homosexuality is a different issue all together.It is prohibited expressly in the Bible,whereas the bible clearly states (once again,I quote,)in Romans 14,that each may celebrate a special day to the Lord if they so desire it.

[stbernard1973]

StBernie....you are free to think what you like.Jesus was put to death because of foolish minds like yours.

And you end your post promoting gays???LOL!!!

Seriously i have no problem hearing you out but you coulda made it a lot less boring if you just said,i dont agree with The Watchtowers views etc"Your reasoning for why is so far off course my GPS needs a GPS!!!

You have an ignore button too.

And yes i am a sinner and not perfect and i use Gods backing to make the points not my own as you have.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Theres another LOL for ya!!!

I refuse to try and talk sense with closed minded bigots because it doesn't matter how much proof you have, they are too blind to open their eyes and even try to see another side of an issue.  You are a sad, sad person.  Believe what you want.  Your beliefs can take you to hell just as fast as you think mine might.

And thank you for proving what a closed minded bigot you really are.  Hiding behind "gods" coat tails to spew your hatred and ignorance.  This entire thread has done that beautifully.  You have proven exactly what I said about you in my previous post to be right.  Thank you and please continue!  My husband and I are getting a big kick out of it!  :-)

[hitch0403]

HMMMM you refuse to talk sense with me yet you say continue?

So i spew out hatred but im a comedian?Hear any good jokes lately?

I am not gonna beat a dead horse but i know i am not promoting hatred.Just Gods rules.

I take it StBernie you promote freedom of religeon?Whay gives man the right to say how God wants to be served?Its like the piece of clay saying to the potterer,"form me another way"

BTW i am not sure if you define hell as a firery place of torment?That is a bunch of BS that much of christendom teaches.Do you honestly think a God of love would punish his creation that way...tsk tsk...

And you say i am a bigot?I used to be a catholic once till God helped me see the truth.Again you dont have to agree with the Watchtowers views...they are backed up with logic and u can reference them if you know how to use bible <i doubt it>.

Thanx for the chat

[hitch0403]

JJ i am not discarding Pauls words...just the way you are applying them.

The pagan gods started the celebration....why would you change the rules to accept them years later when from the start they were pagan in Gods eyes?

The bible points out eating and drinking is a reward for a mans hard work.You see how Israel was punished for their bowing down to false gods.Why do you think God has changed?The crap associated with Jesus is NOT biblical at all.Dont you think the apostles woulda celebrated his birth?Jesus told them to memorialize his death.THERE it is right before your eyes hrs before he was to die!!NOTHING in bible promotes 12/25.NO way shepards are even out that night in the rain and cold.

Dont call Gods people killjoys.They celebrate their love and give gifts with meaning behind them and NOT get drunk!!Try reciting the Lords Prayer about a zillion times and get the REAL meaning behind it.Then celebrate that hope!!

[lvstephanie]

I wonder which day of the week Hitch sets aside as a day of worship...

Sunday - Day of the Sun god from Egyptian theology
Monday - "Moon's Day" again with the ideology that the Moon was a god and therefore worshiped on this day
Tuesday - From the Old English god Tiw
Wednesday - Set aside for the worship of the Germanic god Woden (from Norse's Odin)
Thursday - Was the day of worship to the Norse god Thor
Friday - Meaning the "day of Frigg", the Old English goddess Frigg
Saturday - Going again back to the celestial pagan worship, this time the god being Saturn

Since according to what Hitch says about the Watchtower's stance on appropriating some long lost pagan celebration for some Christian day of worship instead is still anathema to God's teaching, then none of these days should be set aside for worshiping God as God may "get confused" and think that the worshiper is praising, let's say, the Sun.

"Again you dont have to agree with the Watchtowers views...they are backed up with logic" Then by logic and reasoning, we must conclude that JW's don't set aside a day of worship to Jehovah (even though the Bible commands us to keep holy the sabbath).

[hitch0403]

IVE.......i suggest you read the bible and see how Jesus answered his enemy when they accused him of helping someone on The Sabbath Day.He told them if one of their mules fell into a ditch would they rescue it on that day.

I am not quite sure where you are coming from but try to discern what Jesus meant when he gave that example.Of course if your intent was to mock me i wouldnt expect you to understand what Jesus meant!!

[hitch0403]

The example with Janus...a pagan god from Romans is the result of the celebration not approved in Gods eyes....

If you were paying attn Ives ive stated The most important day for xtians is Nisan 14 when Jesus was killed.That day comes differently every year and all different days of the week.

RU smart enuff to understand what i am getting at here??

[hitch0403]

Hopefully you will understand......

Jesus, being a Jew under the Law, observed the Sabbath as God’s Word (not the Pharisees) directed. He knew it was lawful to do fine things on the Sabbath. (Mt 12:12) However, the inspired Christian writings state that “Christ is the end of the Law” (Ro 10:4), which results in Christians’ being “discharged from the Law.” (Ro 7:6) Neither Jesus nor his disciples made any distinction between so-called moral and ceremonial laws. They quoted from the other parts of the Law as well as from the Ten Commandments and considered all of it equally binding on those under the Law. (Mt 5:21-48; 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10; Jas 2:10, 11) The Scriptures plainly state that Christ’s sacrifice “abolished . . . the Law of commandments consisting in decrees” and that God “blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees . . . and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.” It was the complete Mosaic Law that was “abolished,” “blotted out,” taken “out of the way.” (Eph 2:13-15; Col 2:13, 14) Consequently, the whole system of Sabbaths, be they days or years, was brought to its end with the rest of the Law by the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. This explains why Christians can esteem “one day as all others,” whether it be a sabbath or any other day, with no fear of judgment by another. (Ro 14:4-6; Col 2:16) Paul made the following expression concerning those scrupulously observing “days and months and seasons and years”: “I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you.”—Ga 4:10, 11.
After Jesus’ death, his apostles at no time commanded Sabbath observance. The Sabbath was not included as a Christian requirement at Acts 15:28, 29, or later. Nor did they institute a new sabbath, a “day of the Lord.” Even though Jesus was resurrected on the day now called Sunday, nowhere does the Bible indicate that this day of his resurrection should be commemorated as a “new” sabbath or in any other way. First Corinthians 16:2 and Acts 20:7 have been appealed to by some as a basis for observing Sunday as a sabbath. However, the former text merely indicates that Paul instructed Christians to lay aside in their homes for their needy brothers at Jerusalem a certain amount each first day of the week. The money was not to be turned in at their place of meeting but was to be retained until Paul’s arrival. As for the latter text, it was only logical that Paul would meet with the brothers in Troas on the first day of the week, since he was leaving the very next day.

[JediJohnnie]

I wonder which day of the week Hitch sets aside as a day of worship...

Sunday - Day of the Sun god from Egyptian theology
Monday - "Moon's Day" again with the ideology that the Moon was a god and therefore worshiped on this day
Tuesday - From the Old English god Tiw
Wednesday - Set aside for the worship of the Germanic god Woden (from Norse's Odin)
Thursday - Was the day of worship to the Norse god Thor
Friday - Meaning the "day of Frigg", the Old English goddess Frigg
Saturday - Going again back to the celestial pagan worship, this time the god being Saturn

Since according to what Hitch says about the Watchtower's stance on appropriating some long lost pagan celebration for some Christian day of worship instead is still anathema to God's teaching, then none of these days should be set aside for worshiping God as God may "get confused" and think that the worshiper is praising, let's say, the Sun.

"Again you dont have to agree with the Watchtowers views...they are backed up with logic" Then by logic and reasoning, we must conclude that JW's don't set aside a day of worship to Jehovah (even though the Bible commands us to keep holy the sabbath).

Yep.It's nice to know someone gets the point I'm making. It's pure hypocrisy on the Watchtower's part to link each and every observance and Holiday to paganism and yet still keep their memorial- because they have a Monopoly Get Out Of Jail Free card printed by the Watchtower. It would be funny,but for the fact that the level of brainwashing the Watchtower uses is so effective,it seems.

If Jesus' command to observe the Last Supper supersedes the day named after a pagan god,wouldn't our giving thanks to God  supersede  any other ties that day has to paganism? Apparently God is not powerful enough for that in the eyes of the Watchtower.

[JediJohnnie]

The example with Janus...a pagan god from Romans is the result of the celebration not approved in Gods eyes....

But no one in this day and age uses the celebration of New Years to worship Janus,any more than people these days use Thursday to worship Thor. Times change,my friend. You've got to get with the current times.

[JediJohnnie]

JJ i am not discarding Pauls words...just the way you are applying them.

The pagan gods started the celebration....why would you change the rules to accept them years later when from the start they were pagan in Gods eyes?

The bible points out eating and drinking is a reward for a mans hard work.You see how Israel was punished for their bowing down to false gods.Why do you think God has changed?The crap associated with Jesus is NOT biblical at all.Dont you think the apostles woulda celebrated his birth?Jesus told them to memorialize his death.THERE it is right before your eyes hrs before he was to die!!NOTHING in bible promotes 12/25.NO way shepards are even out that night in the rain and cold.

Dont call Gods people killjoys.They celebrate their love and give gifts with meaning behind them and NOT get drunk!!Try reciting the Lords Prayer about a zillion times and get the REAL meaning behind it.Then celebrate that hope!!

Again,there is no correlation today to pagan god worship. No one is bowing down to pagan gods by celebrating the New Year. When you can bring me proof that there is mass worship of false pagan deities this year-2015- then you may have a leg to stand on,but your contention continues to be as ludicrous now,as the first time you said it.

And not every one gets drunk on New Year. I still don't get why you would think that. My family shared ONE glass of wine. If you're against that,then you must be against Jesus who also drank wine with His Disciples.