Same Sex Marriage

[countrygirl12]

Countrygirl - You've never heard of the marriage penalty tax? Married couples pay more federal taxes than single people. Congress had lowered the rate for a few years but I think it expired as of 2014 or 2015.

Why was I uneasy? Like i said, I was never around people with that lifestyle before and there were 20 couples there and I didn't know anyone except my son's girlfriend and her mother and partner. I've always been shy and socially backward and that's why I was very uneasy. Am I not allowed to be myself? I tried to be outgoing throughout life and my career but learned a lot through others who did nothing but backstab and talk about you so it never worked. That's why I decided to work at home. Didn't have to put up with those jerks anymore.

I can see what you are saying about being in a crowd where you do not know anyone.  I thought you meant you were uneasy simply because they were all gay.  As long as they are not trying to hit on me I have no fears of being around them.  I also have no fears of standing up for what I believe in.  I probably would not have fit in at all.  And you are right about back stabbers.  And I would love to be able to work from home but have not figured out how to do that yet.  No jobs that are real jobs that I have ever seen that actually pay a regular pay check are able to let me work from home.  And sites like this don't pay the bills no matter how hard you try.  And believe me - I have and am trying.

[countrygirl12]

Countrygirl - You've never heard of the marriage penalty tax? Married couples pay more federal taxes than single people. Congress had lowered the rate for a few years but I think it expired as of 2014 or 2015.

Why was I uneasy? Like i said, I was never around people with that lifestyle before and there were 20 couples there and I didn't know anyone except my son's girlfriend and her mother and partner. I've always been shy and socially backward and that's why I was very uneasy. Am I not allowed to be myself? I tried to be outgoing throughout life and my career but learned a lot through others who did nothing but backstab and talk about you so it never worked. That's why I decided to work at home. Didn't have to put up with those jerks anymore.

And as for something in the tax code changing in the past couple of years, no I am not familiar with that.  I just know years ago I as a single person paid a lot more in taxes than people who were married.  I never understood that because I as a single person paid the same bills (rent, electric, phone, etc) as the married couple but I had a single income and they should have had two incomes.

[Laurieandjohn]

I find myself torn and really shouldn't even speak of this because of the way I feel this is a harder thing to talk about on a forum than child abuse or animal abuse  but that is only my opinion

[AnnaKiki]

Live and let live!

[hitch0403]

This is in response to Countrygirl Re Judas being forgiven

God Is Not All-Forgiving

There are some people whose sins God does not forgive. Wrote Paul: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of [condemnatory] judgment.” (Hebrews 10:26, 27) The words “practice sin willfully” suggest deeply ingrained badness, a truly wicked heart.

Judas Iscariot developed such a heart. “It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born,” said Jesus. (Matthew 26:24, 25) And concerning certain religious leaders of his day, Jesus said: “You are from your father the Devil . . . When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) Like Satan, those men were bad to the core. They were not sorry for what they had done but became even more hardened in their wicked ways.* True, because of imperfection and weakness, even genuine Christians sin, sometimes seriously. But their failings do not reflect an entrenched evil disposition.—Galatians 6:1.

[hitch0403]

To committ suicide is killing.Thou shall NOT kill.HOWEVER.....

Another important factor is that of mental and emotional disorders that are involved in many suicides. These can really be called suicide victims. According to some statistics, 90 percent of those who commit suicide have some kind of mental, emotional, or addictive problem. Will Jehovah forgive the self-murder committed by people in such a mental state? We are not in a position to judge whether the deceased committed an unforgivable sin in the eyes of Jehovah. A Christian minister may take into account the circumstances and medical history of the deceased when he considers whether to perform a funeral service for the suicide victim.

[melissajh44]

I believe people should be able to marry and be with whom they choose to love. Its their choose. I mean why not. A lot of those couples have been together for a very long time. One couple said on TV they were together 30 yes. I say why not

I agree. This is a free country.

[bigfoot951]

This confuses me simply because this has always been a states issue.  Why did it all of a sudden become a federal issue?

[JediJohnnie]

I guess you dont agree with Lev 20:13 VP if you dont agree with Gods view on this.....

New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The bible also says that a woman that isn't a virgin on the wedding night should be stoned to death and those have consensual premarital sex should be killed. Do you agree with that as well?

Ladavia let me add.If you are asking me have i questioned God?I certainly have.

Abraham questioned him right before he destroyed Sodom by asking him will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked.Jesus was in so much agony he asked his father why he had forsaken him.

You gettin this?

If you are trying to compare 2 wrongs to justify Gods justice that isnt how it works.

The apostle Paul went on a killing spree for the wrong reason.God forgave him and became a big author for the bible.WHY?God saw in his heart he was doing it for the wrong reason when he meant well.God blinded him and humbled him to understand.

Judas wasnt forgiven.He sinned against the holy spirit.NO forgivness for that.He knew Jesus was Gods son and sold him out!!

Heart conditions matter and God see the heart of us all!!

How do you know Judas for not forgiven?  This is something I discussed recently.  He was truly sorry for betraying Jesus.  And he went out and killed himself.  And the Bible does not say you will go to Hell if you commit suicide.  That is just something people have always said.  But I have never read that in the Bible.  If Judas was really sorry for what he done then why would he not be forgiven?

I believe Judas could've been forgiven if he'd truly repented. The Bible however, tends to make the case that he hadn't truly repented.

True,he brought back the money he received for betraying Jesus, but that's not really a gesture of repentance. He knew what he'd done was wrong,and that Jesus was innocent of any crime,but he still went and betrayed him for money. The guilt was overwhelming for him,so he killed himself.

I think that it's a good indication that he was not truly repentant,that he killed himself.That's not to say all suicides go to hell,but had he truly repented like Paul did, God still would've used him for His purpose.

Also we need to remember  what Christ Himself said about Judas:
John 17:12  While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

and John 6:70-71 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”  (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

So Jesus knew Judas character all along and that he didn't have true saving faith,but wanted only the prestige he would get from being an Apostle.

[JediJohnnie]

But overall, yeah,this is really disappointing to me that the courts can interfere with the biblical tradition of marriage. Whatever happened to separation of Church & State? The next thing that will happen will be lawsuits over Churches that refuse to marry gay couples, like all the bakery wedding cake feuds that have been going on.

[dogsleash]

I think its great. I would rather have people openly married and happy in there unions able to help and support each other . They will now be able to help with medical decisions and child raising with out the laws saying they cant.

[ladavia89]

But overall, yeah,this is really disappointing to me that the courts can interfere with the biblical tradition of marriage. Whatever happened to separation of Church & State? The next thing that will happen will be lawsuits over Churches that refuse to marry gay couples, like all the bakery wedding cake feuds that have been going on.

How is it separation of church and state when laws cater to only those with certain religious beliefs? It was disappointing to a lot of people that the courts were abiding  by the biblical tradition of marriage. Should only heterosexual virgin Christians be allowed to be married?

[hitch0403]

Medical decisions RE gays married???OH please spare me that line!!With AIDS and syphilis high among gays.

I ask again.....who instituted marriage???

God is not one to be mocked.For whatever a man sows is what he will reap!

[hitch0403]

JJ,God forgave David and Paul for their terrible sins.HE sees the heart condition and both of them were punished,ignorant and sorry.

Before anyone starts to build a shrine for Judas Jesus made it clear what his heart was like.He loved money and we see that plain as day in Jesus saying,it would have been better off if he wasnt born!"

To get back on topic we also see the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah for the depravity of those sinful cities and that is just where this world is heading!!

[ladavia89]

Medical decisions RE gays married???OH please spare me that line!!With AIDS and syphilis high among gays.

I ask again.....who instituted marriage???

God is not one to be mocked.For whatever a man sows is what he will reap!

HIV and Aids is high in general because people are having unprotected sex and using dirty needles while doing drugs. This is both heterosexuals and homosexuals