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What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« on: December 18, 2015, 07:20:06 am »
Maybe we need to read what it says before we criticize...

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 03:56:41 pm »
Maybe we should also understand why God tolerated things such as polygamy in bible.

Jesus said what HE only approved of.......

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No; the standard God set in Eden with the first marriage was that of monogamy. Jesus Christ later reaffirmed that standard for his followers.—Genesis 2:18-24; Matthew 19:4-6.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 06:13:42 pm »
"Maybe we should also understand why God tolerated things such as polygamy in bible."

For the same reason He tolerates divorce.  Matthew 19:7-8.

God is more tolerant than His people.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 06:26:39 pm »
God loves all of us, the bible was written by man.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 07:09:38 pm »
God loves all of us, the bible was written by man.

Man was the secretary taking dictation.....

2 Timothy 3:16-17New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.


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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 03:49:08 pm »
This is a good attempt at muddying the waters, but at no time did God command the rape of anyone.

The rape laws were put in place to protect the victim. Unfortunately, given the nature of the times, unmarried women who were not virgins were treated as second class citizens by men, with only the prospects of being forced into prostitution or life as an old maid. So God made the provision that the offending man would have to take care of her and potentially any children.

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

If you read the chapter in context, the man is the one who would be made to marry the woman. Not the other way around. In no place does it say that the woman can't refuse such an arrangement.

And it's the same for the "spoils of war" passages. God allowed the soldiers to marry the captive women if it was acceptable to the women. (which again, since women had very few options to them in those days,many probably agreed)

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 08:13:02 pm »
And nowhere did I nor the image say that God commanded anyone to rape.
Now who is muddying the waters?

What choice did the woman have, other than marrying her rapist?
If women were second class citizens, whose choice would be prostitution or life as an old maid after being raped, did she really have a choice?

Concerning the "spoils of war" passages, if you've killed all the men and women and only kept the virgin girls alive, intentionally, does she really have a choice? 

Does God truly value women so little? Or does it seem so because of the doctrines and traditions of men?



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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 09:25:03 pm »
20, 21. (a) Why did the Mosaic Law allow for polygamy among the Israelites? (b) In the matter of divorce, why did the Law differ from the standard that Jesus later restored?
20 In this connection, however, some might wonder, ‘Why did the Law allow for polygamy?’ (Deuteronomy 21:15-17) We need to consider such laws within the context of the times. Those who judge the Mosaic Law from the perspective of modern times and cultures are bound to misunderstand it. (Proverbs 18:13) Jehovah’s standard, set way back in Eden, made marriage a lasting union between one husband and one wife. (Genesis 2:18, 20-24) By the time Jehovah gave the Law to Israel, however, such practices as polygamy had been entrenched for centuries. Jehovah well knew that his “stiff-necked people” would frequently fail to obey even the most basic commands, such as those forbidding idolatry. (Exodus 32:9) Wisely, then, he did not choose that era as the time to reform all of their marital practices. Keep in mind, though, that Jehovah did not institute polygamy. He did, however, use the Mosaic Law to regulate polygamy among his people and to prevent abuses of the practice.

21 Similarly, the Mosaic Law allowed a man to divorce his wife on a relatively broad range of serious grounds. (Deuteronomy 24:1-4) Jesus called this a concession that God had made to the Jewish people “out of regard for [their] hardheartedness.” However, such concessions were temporary. For his followers, Jesus restored Jehovah’s original standard for marriage.—Matthew 19:8.

When you side with this satanic world and cant even use Gods name its tough to accept why God acted as HE did and have questions about it.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2015, 10:56:19 pm »
You'll find that certain things are easier to adjust to when you are already rooted in that culture.
As for the generation of today you will find that God's love (John 3:16-17) is toward Mankind (his children), both male and female, there is no distinction, no difference in his love towards any particular sex or child.
God's intention at the cost of the life of his son was to redeem is from sin (Romans 5:8) and restore us into fellowship with him. (Isaiah 53:11)
"Make the most of every opportunity"

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2015, 09:22:44 am »
To be clear,  I'm not advocating polygamy or rape, or slavery or treating women as property or spoils of war, or divorce.

What I am saying is that God allowed all these things, tolerated them, and still dealt with the people involved.

So if God can deal, why can't we?

I've seen on two separate threads, people jumping in the middle of someone because of something happening with their marriage.

"God doesn't approve of that"  "I hope you aren't having an affair"  "illicit relationship"

Really? The chart shows what God tolerated.

So who are we to judge someone elses' life? Are we better than God?

I guess I am just fed up with people who call themselves Christians being so hard and unyielding.


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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 10:18:03 am »
I wonder what god wants
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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 11:06:07 am »

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 01:43:47 pm »
Paints also....what do you mean if God can deal with it?HE even listened to Abraham when Abraham asked HIM if he wold sweep away the righteous with the wicked Re Sodom.Patience and long suffering is Jehovah.But will not hold back discipline forever.

So if 1 reminds someone of Gods laws and they mean well why does that bug you?God can see the heart of us all.Jobs 3 so called friends made it look like they were sooth-saying him....when they werent!Let God be the judge of who a friend really is.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 03:49:22 pm »
And nowhere did I nor the image say that God commanded anyone to rape.
Now who is muddying the waters?

What choice did the woman have, other than marrying her rapist?
If women were second class citizens, whose choice would be prostitution or life as an old maid after being raped, did she really have a choice?

Concerning the "spoils of war" passages, if you've killed all the men and women and only kept the virgin girls alive, intentionally, does she really have a choice? 

Does God truly value women so little? Or does it seem so because of the doctrines and traditions of men?




Unfortunately it is the times that dictated some of these "questionable" practices. I didn't go into all of the above cases, but it's the same thing as polygamy and the wife of a dead man marrying his brother. Women were  not afforded many options in those days, but they still needed to be provided for.

 But in some cases neither were the men. For example God allowed some forms of slavery because without it, many who were poor and destitute would've died. There was no welfare state in those days. No Food Stamps to help you put food on the table. No Fusion Cash to help keep a roof over your head. If God didn't allow some of these things in those days, there would've been more suffering among the innocent that couldn't provide for themselves than there already was.

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Re: What God wants-Biblical Marriage
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 03:58:14 pm »
Paints also....what do you mean if God can deal with it?HE even listened to Abraham when Abraham asked HIM if he wold sweep away the righteous with the wicked Re Sodom.Patience and long suffering is Jehovah.But will not hold back discipline forever.

So if 1 reminds someone of Gods laws and they mean well why does that bug you?God can see the heart of us all.Jobs 3 so called friends made it look like they were sooth-saying him....when they werent!Let God be the judge of who a friend really is.



Do you honestly believe that people don't know right from wrong? 
And do you honestly believe that it is pleasing to God for us to go around butting in to other peoples' lives, pointing fingers and saying, "ooooh, you're doing it wrong?"

And do you honestly think they "mean well" by doing so?  Please.


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