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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 03:22:41 pm »
I still don't understand why touching a woman's breast is assault and should be remembered for decades to be brought up right when it can ruin someone's career.  ???
I don't normally get into these conversations on here but I have to respond to this one.

Really? You don't understand why grabbing her breast is assault? He did that without her consent AND she was unconscious. When someone grabs you without your permission it makes you feel violated, embarrassed, and gross. Like your skin is crawling. Someone invaded your space. That's why touching a woman's breast like that is called assault. Just like someone grabbing you without consent would be assault.
If it's as bad as you say, why wait DECADES to report it?

Shame, embarrassment, you feel like it's your fault, you want to forget about it. I didn't report my assault right away either. But putting aside why she waited what I took issue with is that you said touching a woman's breast wasn't assault. Is that something you really believe? Are you talking about this specific case (it's still assault)? Because it shocks me to hear someone say that.
Your is a COMMON opinion among women, but I still don't understand it. I had another man touch my private parts 70 years ago without my consent, but I have no desire to report it and it did not ruin my life. I certainly respect your right to your opinion, but mine is these reports conveniently surfacing at critical times are far too suspicious for me and totally out of hand. It happened, so let it go and move on. If they have traumatic consequences afrter all these years, then get a therapist.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 03:30:58 pm »
I still don't understand why touching a woman's breast is assault and should be remembered for decades to be brought up right when it can ruin someone's career.  ???
I don't normally get into these conversations on here but I have to respond to this one.

Really? You don't understand why grabbing her breast is assault? He did that without her consent AND she was unconscious. When someone grabs you without your permission it makes you feel violated, embarrassed, and gross. Like your skin is crawling. Someone invaded your space. That's why touching a woman's breast like that is called assault. Just like someone grabbing you without consent would be assault.
If it's as bad as you say, why wait DECADES to report it?

Shame, embarrassment, you feel like it's your fault, you want to forget about it. I didn't report my assault right away either. But putting aside why she waited what I took issue with is that you said touching a woman's breast wasn't assault. Is that something you really believe? Are you talking about this specific case (it's still assault)? Because it shocks me to hear someone say that.
Your is a COMMON opinion among women, but I still don't understand it. I had another man touch my private parts 70 years ago without my consent, but I have no desire to report it and it did not ruin my life. I certainly respect your right to your opinion, but mine is these reports conveniently surfacing at critical times are far too suspicious for me and totally out of hand. It happened, so let it go and move on. If they have traumatic consequences afrter all these years, then get a therapist.

Well, what I would say to this is not everyone can "let it go and move on". Not talking about the Franken case specifically but in general when it happens it can leave a profound effect on an individual. My rape happened at 14 and at 30 I'm still dealing with it and no amount of therapy has helped. That's why I take issue with your statement about grabbing a woman's breast. I don't think anything I say about it can help you to understand it so I'll just leave it at that.
Now, I actually agree with the timing of some of these accusations. They're coming in droves all of the sudden. So either everyone's a creep or some of these men are being falsely accused. I think the claims should be investigated but I don't think it's fair for anything to happen to the accused unless it has been proven they actually did something.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 03:55:12 pm »
I still don't understand why touching a woman's breast is assault and should be remembered for decades to be brought up right when it can ruin someone's career.  ???
I don't normally get into these conversations on here but I have to respond to this one.

Really? You don't understand why grabbing her breast is assault? He did that without her consent AND she was unconscious. When someone grabs you without your permission it makes you feel violated, embarrassed, and gross. Like your skin is crawling. Someone invaded your space. That's why touching a woman's breast like that is called assault. Just like someone grabbing you without consent would be assault.
If it's as bad as you say, why wait DECADES to report it?

Shame, embarrassment, you feel like it's your fault, you want to forget about it. I didn't report my assault right away either. But putting aside why she waited what I took issue with is that you said touching a woman's breast wasn't assault. Is that something you really believe? Are you talking about this specific case (it's still assault)? Because it shocks me to hear someone say that.
Your is a COMMON opinion among women, but I still don't understand it. I had another man touch my private parts 70 years ago without my consent, but I have no desire to report it and it did not ruin my life. I certainly respect your right to your opinion, but mine is these reports conveniently surfacing at critical times are far too suspicious for me and totally out of hand. It happened, so let it go and move on. If they have traumatic consequences afrter all these years, then get a therapist.

Well, what I would say to this is not everyone can "let it go and move on". Not talking about the Franken case specifically but in general when it happens it can leave a profound effect on an individual. My rape happened at 14 and at 30 I'm still dealing with it and no amount of therapy has helped. That's why I take issue with your statement about grabbing a woman's breast. I don't think anything I say about it can help you to understand it so I'll just leave it at that.
Now, I actually agree with the timing of some of these accusations. They're coming in droves all of the sudden. So either everyone's a creep or some of these men are being falsely accused. I think the claims should be investigated but I don't think it's fair for anything to happen to the accused unless it has been proven they actually did something.
Just so you understand, I think there is a HUGE difference between a rape and touching a breast. What's more, some of these reports are over "sexual assaults" that involve offenses that are not even as serious as that. It's a shame that had to happen to you (especially at such a young) age and the perpetrator should be in prison, but that is not what I am talking about here.
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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 06:13:24 pm »
So sad to hear about so any people and assault. This has got to end.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2017, 08:09:35 pm »
He's getting what he deserves. 

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2017, 09:16:57 pm »
From what I read, Leeann Tweeden already accepted  Sen. Franken's apology. 

It doesn't look like he touched her in that photo though, just making the gesture.  However, I 100% understand why she felt violated by the photo - imagine your co-worker taking a photo like this of you.  It's so disrespectful.  Perhaps it'd be alright among close friends, but certainly not a co-worker!  I read Franken's apology and I agree with what he said on this - it doesn't matter what his intent was (to be funny), the fact that Tweeden felt violated by the action means that he was in the wrong.  I wish more people can understand this.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 04:51:37 pm »
He needs to leave

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2017, 05:40:25 pm »
its all out of hand i hope this makes life easier in teh end.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2017, 08:58:29 pm »
 Sen. Al Franken should resign as well like Trump.

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2017, 10:19:46 pm »
Guess this comes to show you that no ones afraid to talk about what public officals do to others anymore. I'm glad to because to many have gotten away with so much im sure

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2017, 10:26:13 pm »
What I don't get is, if these men are asked to step down for their assumed crimes,..... Why isn't anyone asking the biggest pervert sitting in the white house to resign & step down!????!!!!!!

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 05:56:12 pm »
Will we ever know the truth with shicesters in office? Most of them lie, through campaign promises, to get into office. Different lies, different days and it does not matter whether they are republican or democrat-they all lie. their are guilty convicts in prison with more credibility than over ninety percent of those in office. The media is just as crooked as the politicians that they report on. Today for instance: CNN states Flynn pleads guilty, as does MSNBC, Reuters, Associated Press and BBC while Fox runs something about whether dogs even know about Christmas. Mine do, by the way, because they are brighter than the crooks we put in office. Both CNN and Fox share the same headline "Franken confesses, Trump does not". The story, however, has different meanings for both. Fox goes on to write about how Franken admits to being a dirty pervert and insinuates that Trump is not. CNN praises Franken for being honest and chastises Trump for not addressing the dozens of women that have accused him. There really is no winning!

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Re: Minnesota Sen. Al Franken Accused Of Sexual Assault
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2017, 08:33:58 pm »
It seems that when one person gets up the nerve to accuse someone, they all come out daily making accusations.  I wonder why they never said anything when it happened?  I do know why, but to wait 20 -30 years is a long long time.
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